I have several boxes, and I am fairly certain I hit them at my local quilt shop!
Clay
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> Quick update--I have asked a friend in the quilting/notions supply business
> about the Bohin #4
Quick update--I have asked a friend in the quilting/notions supply business
about the Bohin #4 30x0.85 pins that Lauran recommended to see if she can get
them. If anyone is interested, please contact me off list. Sincerely, Susan
Hottle USA
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Linda,
When working point ground the "Ulrike" way, we are advised to use fat
pins for honeycomb and picots and thin pins for the rest. Different heads
would be nice, so I would know which is which during the work, and
especially while sorting the pins afterwards.
While I don't follow all
Don't forget Adam Smith's famous description of pin making (from "The Wealth
of Nations", 1776, when he is talking about division of labor:
To take an example, therefore, from a very trifling manufacture; but one in
which the division of labour has been very often taken notice of, the trade
of
Might not work in an area of honeycomb with closely-packed pinholes, but I
usually use glass-headed pins for picots
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When working point ground the "Ulrike" way, we are advised to use fat
pins for honeycomb and picots and thin pins for the rest. Different heads
would be nice, so I would know which is which during the work, and
especially while sorting the pins afterwards.
It doesn't help me follow, though. With
lace bobbins I came across a website
> selling pins. Here's their description.
>
> Spanish lace pins.
> These short redheads come all the way from the oldest pin factory in Spain.
> Traditional lace making pins that were originally colour coded for following
> a pattern but we like
Sorry about the gobbledegook! I'll never understand this e-mail program.
What I sent and what I received were totally diferent.
While searching the internet for Spanish lace bobbins I came across a website
selling pins. Here's their description.
Spanish lace pins.
These short redheads come
Spanish Lace Pins
These short redheads come all the way from the
oldest pin factory in Spain.
Traditional lace making pins that were originally
colour coded for following a pattern but we like them just in flame red! 0.59mm
x 26mm (approx 200 pins
Hi Brian
I have just reached your list of pins. When I updated my dictionary in 1996 I
asked Arachnids if there were any correction or omissions that needed
addressing, Obviously you missed it. All the more reason for you to make a
good job of this one.
I had one reply to my request, very
Hi Arachnids (of the kindest types!)
Thank you for all your help, references and "especially" for being reminded
that I wrote an article on Arizona Webdocs about Pins and Lace Making. (
https://www.cs.arizona.edu/patterns/weaving/webdocs.html.. You will need to
scroll down quite way to get to
Dear Brian
There are a couple of pictures in Gertrude Whiting's old time tools and toys of
needlework (Dover 1971) the Venetian ones are glass headed some with spherical
heads and others shaped as animals and birds p143
On page 145 are East Midlands pins described as King pins, Bugles or
I was sitting at my lace pillow, moving pins from the back of my lace to my
pincushion, when I started wondering. How long do other lacemakers leave the
pins in their work? When making Torchon or Flanders lace, I leave the pins
round the edge, and push them right down. I start to remove pins
of response.
First of all if working on a length of lace on a roller pillow (and less so
on a block pillow depending on the size of both the block and the lace),
pins do not stay in the lace for 24 hours, probably an hour or two if you
are sitting at a long session of lacemaking. Pins get taken
Hi Sue,
I don't belong to a class or group, so I have developed my own way of working
over the years. I was curious about how other lacemakers worked. The pin
question isn't the sort of thing that is taught - except that I was told always
to leave pins in for 24 hours, to allow the thread
As a beginner, I was told to leave the pins in overnight. I think this was
a general rule to cover the chance that the thread being used took longer to
conform than usual. I have seen a bookmark that had the last inch curled
when the rest of it lay flat. I contributed this to the final pins
to time and usually generates lots of response.
First of all if working on a length of lace on a roller pillow (and less so
on a block pillow depending on the size of both the block and the lace), pins
do not stay in the lace for 24 hours, probably an hour or two if you are
sitting
Hello everyone
Some comments - I usually leave at least an inch-worth of pins in, not
really to let the lace set, but to mind the finished work against, for
example, tensioning too firmly and bunching the lace out of shape. Some
patterns have a particular passive that can be a culprit. If I
Wow, Alex, what type of lace are you using such fine pins on?
Noelene in Cooma
nlaffe...@ozemail.com.au
I have been using the Watkins Doncaster stainless steel pins no.0. They
are the finest I have used and, although they are very long I have had no
trouble with them bending as they are very
I also use those fine insect pins. I make Binche lace, and when the long and
very fine pins went out of production several years ago, I bought every
(expensive!) vial of them that I could find. So I still have a good supply,
and guard them like Gollum my preciou)!
I discovered the insect
With my Chantilly as well as Binche laces with the Danish silk I used those
insect pins too. But they weren't easy to find and expensive too.
At the beginning they aren't easy to handle.
Ilske
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Hi Nolene
Iâm using size 0 pins for Floral Bucks using 100/2 Egyptian cotton. I will
be using the 00 pins with 190/2 Egyptian cotton and finer. I bought the 000
pins to see what they are like to use â but I think they will be too fine;
they are like hairs.
Happy lacemaking
Alex
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Hi Arachnids
I have been using the Watkins Doncaster stainless steel pins no.0. They are
the finest I have used and, although they are very long I have had no trouble
with them bending as they are very sharp and pass into the pillow easily. I
also purchased nos. 00 and 000, two sizes finer. I
Now here's dedication for you. I lent my micrometer to Eve Morton, who measured
the diameters of all her mixed up pins to get them sorted in sizes again.
Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK
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Jeanette wrote:
I wish I had you for a friend then I could also sort my pins How long
did it take her to sort the pins?
Don't know. She'd have to tell you that, but I think she gave me the micrometer
back at the following week's lacemaking group.
Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK
Hello All! Following advice from Adele Bev, I measured my pins as 26x.6.
They are still a mystery as I don't know what they are used for. They were in
an orphan box of mixed supplies including an inexpensive foam Honiton pillow
many sizes of white thread but my friend wasn't learning
Mine are that size and they're used for torchon and bedfordshire
Granny Sue in a sunny East Yorkshire
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Hello All! Following advice from Adele Bev, I measured my pins as 26x.6.
My Tatty Blog
Thanks Sue! You other Arachne members are going to get me organized in spite
of myself. Love your tatting blog--just the right blend of chat info! Have
sent a link to tatty friends who haven't yet taken the plunge on Arachne.
Sincerely, Susan Hottle, Erie, PA USA
Sue Duckles
Hello All! After looking in Arachne Archives consulting Google without
results, I thought I would ask: how would I know what size brass pins I own?
There was a reference to Adele's measuring system on a 2006 Tonder post, but I
didn't find a follow up. After Devon's pin question, I dug out
Susan and everyone
As I've often wondered the same about a box or two of pins that have lost
their label...A quick google of 'pin size chart' produced this web page:
http://www.americanpin.com/pins.html
Dritz, Prim and other pin brands should have info on their pages as well?
29 mm is the
Thank you Bev--you are the Superior Googler! I was looking for pin index
got something else entirely. American pin makes bank pins like we used in
Kim's wire lace class. AP seems to have fine silk pins no chart/index but
will follow up even without a micrometer. LOL Sincerely, Susan
mm across, then each pin is .55 mm in
diameter.
The finest lace pins are about .40 mm diameter. These are used when making
very fine laces, but they do bend very easily. For that reason I prefer using
.50 - .55 mm diameter pins, or even larger ones if I'm making something in
coarse thread.
Adele
in a
row. (you alternate where the heads go). Then you can measure and divide by
10. So if your row of 10 pins is 5.5 mm across, then each pin is .55 mm in
diameter.
The finest lace pins are about .40 mm diameter. These are used when making
very fine laces, but they do bend very easily
Hi Linda
To get this tale by the tail, (sorry,
couldn't resist that), we first need to find the earliest mentions of
it, then we can understand the context, and the exact way in which the
words were used. I still think there may be more to this than meets the
eye . . .
Just my thoughts, I
I wonder if it wasn't an old wives' tale as such, but that someone saw a
lacemaker using thorns or bones (BTW, having been stabbed by a sea
bass bone I could see those being used!) and commented on it, this then
being translated in gossip circles to lacemakers use bones/thorns
instead of pins
On 21/05/2011 22:57, Alex Stillwell wrote:
[snip]
I think we have had plenty of evidence that
thorns have been used as subsitutes for pins
[snip]
Sorry - I think I must have missed a bit among all these fascinating
messages: so what was the original evidence for the kinds of things
used
:10 AM
Subject: Re: [lace] Pins, thorns and bone slivers
The point is well made. Pins have been around since the bronze age so the
question begs to be asked why use thorns, fish bones etc when you have
access to pins. Now since lace making as we know it came into being around
the 15th century
with the very fine linen
used in 17th century. It's my science background that always asks for proof.
Happy lacemaking
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Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2011 5:35 AM
Subject: Re: [lace] Pins
Hi Bev
This article is producing some interestin observations. As I suggested, using
thorns may only be folk lore and your observation would support that theory.
The cactus thorns came up in another reply when I asked if anyone had used
thorns for making lace. but I also doubt if they would have
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From: Anna Binnie l...@binnie.id.au
Subject: Re: [lace] Pins, thorns and bone slivers
To: Alex Stillwell alexstillw...@talktalk.net
Cc: lace@arachne.com
Date: Saturday, 21 May, 2011, 1:10
The point is well made. Pins have been around since the bronze age so the
question begs to be asked why use
The Brazilians do use thorns from a tree to use as pins. They are very sturdy
and quite effective. After a while, the blunt end tends to get a little mushy
and looks a little like a fuzzy top. Some use bobbins that have had a nut
stuck onto the end of a thin stick. I've tried to use this type
In fact, I have often wondered if it wasn't some kind of technical or
commercial development regarding pins that was responsible for the switch to
point ground laces from those with Flemish or plaited grounds. Point ground
laces take less time to make. If you have more pins than time, why
Dear Arachnids
Thank you for all the replies. I think we have had plenty of evidence that
thorns have been used as subsitutes for pins and we have had some interesting
comments about pins in general.
I find these discussions are always enlightening. Long may Aachne last.
Happy lacemaking
Alex
Dear Arachnids
These ideas about using thorns and fish bones have been around for a long
time. Has anyone actually tried using thorns or fishbones to make lace? I mean
the very fine lace made at the time the thorns were supposed to have been
used. Did they work or not?
Regarding the type of
The point is well made. Pins have been around since the bronze age so
the question begs to be asked why use thorns, fish bones etc when you
have access to pins. Now since lace making as we know it came into being
around the 15th century (please correct me if I'm a bit early here), but
pins of
Alex Stillwell alexstillw...@talktalk.net wrote:
These ideas about using thorns and fish bones have been around for a long time.
Has anyone actually tried using thorns or fishbones to make lace? I mean the
very fine lace made at the time the thorns were supposed to have been used. Did
Rebecca wrote:
Does anyone know of a thorn that would work as a pin?
The longest thorn I can think of is on the Pyrocanthus bush, also known as
Firethorn. Very effective as a boundary hedge to keep out intruders.
Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK
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Jean Nathan
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 1:02 PM
To: Lace
Subject: [lace] Pins
Rebecca wrote:
Does anyone know of a thorn that would work as a pin?
The longest thorn I can think
http://www.cs.arizona.edu/patterns/weaving/webdocs/lb_2010_15.pdf
I wrote an article with the help of Arachne members way back about pins. It
can be found (hopefully) by clicking on this above link or else the tiny URL
below and scrolling down to it.
The article was more historic than opinion,
Hi all, I would like your views. Though I am a supplier this is not
promoting any thing I sell but I think Lace makers need to express an opinion
on.
The people who make many of the pins in the world have been looking for a
long time at the problem of brass pins tarnishing. they tell me they are
Vivienne,
it's a luxurious idea, but I find my brass pins, many of which are about 15
years old and used over and over, have not tarnished at all.
Interesting to read that you have pins that have never corroded too. Perhaps
the manufacturer will look at the quality of the brass used to make the
My brass pins don't seem to have tarnished (or certainly not enough to
bother me). I also have enough pins to keep me in my bent pins for many
years, so I would not be interested in these gold-plated pins.
I stock up with pins for any pupils I have when I visit the UK, as I don't
find that
I had a diagram on a spare piece of styrafoam that I followed with berry
pins when I first started to learn Bucks Point I remember several lacemakers
coming over to me at a lace day to see what I was doing with the berry pins.
It was a complete success and have taught a couple of others Buck Point
Devon and Alice
Your ideas about the ghost pillow or sticking pins into the diagram sounds
like a good one. I should try that and maybe I won't get lost so often. I
always keep the diagram just next to me on my worktable, but my eye doesn't
always find the correct place.
I just turned the
Likely this is already in the collection--the book has been out for a
few years--but I've only just gotten around to reading it and now
that I've recovered, dried my eyes, and picked myself up off the
floor beside the sofa, I just had to share:
What's the most expensive pin ever made
T. Pratchett is genius ;)
In one of the Discworld books, there is a fleeting reference to lacemaking -
I think it is a departmental description for one of the Deans at Unseen
University.
There might be other such sightings :)
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 7:12 PM, Su Carter sucar...@cox.net wrote:
On Aug 30, 2009, at 22:12, Su Carter wrote:
A No. 3 Broad-headed Extra Long would grace any true pinhead's
collection.
-- Going Postal by Terry Pratchett
Su, recovering from her unexpected overdose of endorphins
To help you recover in a hurry... You owe me for a keyboard (and Mac
ones
Well that is two of you suggesting this as a possible cause and although
I have been using this pricker for several years I have had a new pin
put in and it is further in than before. Better for some things in
preparing patterns but I wonder if the part of the pin in use is thinner
than
Hi Sue and everyone
If I vary regular-head steel pins with glass headed pins, my right
pushing-in fingertip doesn't get sore. The finest pins I have been
able to find, the Clover silk pins with red or white heads, are even
good for fine Buckspoint. When I used to do Honiton, eventually I
would get
Hi Sue - I used them in Montreal at IOLI when my finger got sore after the
first session of class. I found them a little awkward at first, but soon
got used to them. Have you tried just using 2-3 layers of micropore
(readily available at the chemist and useful for other things if it doesn't
That would be good.
My solution was (shh, said very quietly) to stop doing Honiton.
On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 9:29 AM, C Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
May I suggest you go to the hardware store and pick up the nail punch that
would serve to sink the very smallest nail heads. That is what I
On 9/22/08 11:50 AM, Sue wrote:
We have spoken about the sticky pad things that stick on
the end of the finger, can anyone tell me how well they
work, if they stay put on the finger for an evening
without problems like catching on threads or whatever.
Maybe its time I searched some out and got
I wonder if the liquid bandage stuff would work? I use it
occasionally (just paint on a few layers and let dry) when I am
quilting or appliqueing when my finger gets too sore.
Jude in WY
At 02:35 PM 9/22/2008, Joy Beeson wrote:
On 9/22/08 11:50 AM, Sue wrote:
We have spoken about the
Sue [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We have spoken about the sticky pad things that stick on the end of the finger,
can anyone tell me how well they work, if they stay put on the finger for an
evening without problems like catching on threads or whatever.
I've tried two types of stick-on
Hi all Lacemakers with a roller pillow!
Why not use a sturdy/thick elastick band i.e rubberband to hold the pattern
round the roller? Has allways worked for me. No need to move pins back and
forth during the work.
Re. work raising from the pattern; angle the pin a little further back,
that will
). If you're using the 120
cotton you might be perfectly happy with the normal fine lace pins of
.55 mm or so.
I used the 160 cotton at my class and I remember being glad that I had
brought the very fine Tonder pins, which were already in my stash.
Unfortunately I bought the pins a while back and I
I just have a quick question or two. What type of bobbin is traditionally
used for Tonder lace? Should I avoid spangled ones?
What is the size of pins I should use?I have be trying to look before
I go to class in case I have what I need.
Thanks
Candy
PS I have
Presumably the traditional bobbin is one of the continental styles with the
rounded bottomshowever, I've successfully used ordinary spangled
Midlands bobbins for Tonder for years. As for the pins, I use the same
pins as I do for everything else - fine lace pins that I use for Bucks.
Tonder
Traditionally, the bobbins used in Denmark are the long ones with spherical
knobs at the ends, usually beaded. However, you can use any continental or
East Midlands bobbin that you like. Since there are virtually no sewings in
Tonder lace, it's perfectly fine to use spangled bobbins, if that's
taking a beginner class, they might use a thicker thread
(in the class I took at PNWC this June the beginners used size 120
thread; more advanced students used 160). If you're using the 120
cotton you might be perfectly happy with the normal fine lace pins of
.55 mm or so.
I used the 160 cotton
le 13/11/05 23:09, Jo Falkink à [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit :
We just have to be sure we don't leave any pins in the carpet.
Alice in Oregon (previously [EMAIL PROTECTED])
Seems impossible to me. We've been guests in the town hall for quite some
time and they collected a box full of dropped
Andy Blodgett askes about putting in pins straight or angled.
Well, I Always angle my pins - slightly backwards for the Internal pins, and
'Back and Out' for the edge pins.
However, if working trails, I sometimes ease the pins Back and Out to keep
the work down on the trail pricking.
While the list is quiet, I'd like to take the opportunity to put forward a
theory. It's been floating about at the back of my mind for quite a long
time, so I've no references to sources, only distant memories that recently
came together in a new pattern.
Probably since shortly after the time I
When I was doing lace City and Guilds in 1987 (unfinished at that time as it
was interupted by a fairly major car accident) one of my fellow students did
some research on the use of fish bones and thorns as pin substitutes. I am
fairly sure that her conclusions were that mostly they were not
At 08:46 AM 10/9/04 +0100, Linda Walton wrote:
Probably since shortly after the time I started making lace, I have heard
that early lacemakers used fishbones for pins. But I can't imagine any of
those little rib-type bones being strong enough to be pushed into a straw
pillow, nor taking the
I am working on a Chantilly fan and I am thinking about pins. None of my
lace books talk about this subject.
I have three boxes of pins:
38 x .40 mm long and thin
30 x .50 mm -- my usual --
17 x .45 mm short and thin
Recall that Chantilly is a you can never have too
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Method might be relevant, so I say that I am using a big octogonal block
pillowThe bobbins, all spangled Midlands, lie flat on my pillow while I
work( ie hands-down).
First of all, the threads looping over the top of the pins. Part of the
Because RA makes it uncomfortable to flick bobbins side to side, I move them
by lifting so crossing and twisting is down above the pricking, not on it.
That means my lace always rides up the pins, so even with torchon, I push
the outside pins all the way in after I've work each inch or so to stop
Lynn
In certain types of bobbin lace one does push the pins all the way down.
This is done specifically in free/part laces such as Honiton, Duchesse and
tape laces. The reason is that you constantly change directions as you work
and sometimes work over parts already finished. You have to get the
DH, a former lecturer in engineering materials tells me that whether steel
rusts or not depends on whether there is free iron in it. Rust is oxidised
iron. Moisture and oxygen causes iron to rust. Steel is a carbon/iron alloy.
If the iron has been converted to austenite, the steel will not rust.
Aren't most high-quality (modern) stainless pins nickel-coated to
inhibit rusting?
Marcie
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Marcie wrote:
Aren't most high-quality (modern) stainless pins nickel-coated to
inhibit rusting?
Tim Parker sells an extensive range of pins including yellow brass,
stainless steel, nickel plated steel and nickel plated brass. The nickel
plated steel won't be stainless steel (austenitic) which
Dear Lacemakers in England,
Is there a needle museum in your country?
Perhaps one of you is familiar with whether they display pins in this museum?
Perhaps there is a Web Site?
Perhaps they have published a booklet on the history of needles and pins?
Was this museum on the tour i/c/w
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Subject: [lace] Pins in a Museum - England?
Dear Lacemakers in England,
Is there a needle museum in your country?
Perhaps one of you is familiar with whether they display pins in this
museum?
Perhaps there is a Web Site?
Perhaps they have published a booklet on the history of needles and pins
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Is there a needle museum in your country?
Forge Needle Museum, Studley, near Redditch, Worcestershire. (We passed
it yesterday, on the way to Coughton Court - home of the Throckmorton
Family - of Gunpowder Plot fame - though also on
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