Re: [lace] Testing whether Italics will process on Arachne's Old Server

[Avital]

Dear Spiders,

The appearance of extended ASCII characters (the proper term for these
unusual characters) has nothing to do with the age of Arachne's server
at panix.com. Servers and software ARE updated, swapped out for newer
models, and patched. Just because you have been on Arachne for 20+
years does not mean that the hardware and majordomo have not changed!
 :-)

If you want to know more, this Wikipedia article explains it well:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extended_ASCII

Here's another:
http://developer.telemessage.com/faq/how-do-i-encode-non-ascii-characters-in-an-email-subject-line

Since this discussion is not lace-related, I suggest that it be moved
either to lace chat or to private emails.

Thank-you,

Avital
Arachne Moderator

P.S. Please try to trim quoted posts. Everyone forgets from time to
time (I forgot when I posted about Burano and lace), but I'm still
here, keeping an eye on the list traffic and sending gentle reminders
when I see lots of  in the digest.

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Re: [lace] Testing whether Italics will process on Arachne's Old Server

[Brenda Paternoster]

Same window comes up from the symbol on the bar right at the top, near the
time/clock and sound icon.

Brenda


> On 8 Jun 2017, at 22:27, Adele Shaak  wrote:
>
> he character viewer; for anybody else who has a Mac and didn’t know it was
there, it’s under Edit in Mail (and in the Finder, too) but it isn’t
called Character Viewer - it’s called “Emojis and Symbols”

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RE: [lace] Testing whether Italics will process on Arachne's Old Server

[J-D Hammett]

The ü and é came through fine on my Windows 10. I hope mine do as well. I will
also try for å and ø using a program called Character Map. This is somewhat
cumbersome to use, but at least it gets accents etc. In the right shape.

Now for lace:- Does anyone know of a lace pattern of an Bluebell?

Joepie, UK.

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

From: Adele Shaak<mailto:ash...@shaw.ca>
Sent: 08 June 2017 22:52
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Cc: Arachne list<mailto:lace@arachne.com>
Subject: Re: [lace] Testing whether Italics will process on Arachne's Old
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> Does the ü in Gütermann and the é in Perlé translate correctly?
> I accessed them using the Character viewer which I think all Mac computrs
> have.

The u and e look fine at my end, but I’m also using Mail on a Mac. Bev has
straightened me out about the character viewer; for anybody else who has a Mac
and didn’t know it was there, it’s under Edit in Mail (and in the Finder, too)
but it isn’t called Character Viewer - it’s called “Emojis and Symbols” There
are hundreds of them, and I had to scroll down quite a ways to find the little
heart. I was searching for it using the alternate characters on the keyboard
(hold down Option or Shift+Option while typing the keyboard characters), which
is mostly alphabetic things like vowels with accents, plus financial symbols
like the euro sign and the pound sign.

Adele

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Re: [lace] Testing whether Italics will process on Arachne's Old Server

[Katrina Worley]

On your Mac, if you go to the system preferences and choose “Keyboard”,
you can check the box that says “show keyboard and emoji viewers in menu
bar”. This puts a little icon in the menu bar that allows you to pull up the
two viewers from the desktop… the Emoji viewer is the same one you get from
the Mail program, but they Keyboard viewer gives you a diagram of the keyboard
layout. If you then press things like the “command”, “shift”, or
“option” keys with the keyboard viewer open it will show you what symbols
you have available.

Katrina

kwor...@mac.com
--
History: special people in special places at special times
Anthropology: everyone else the rest of the time.
K.Worley, 1997







> On Jun 8, 2017, at 2:27 PM, Adele Shaak  wrote:
>
>> Does the ü in Gütermann and the é in Perlé translate correctly?
>> I accessed them using the Character viewer which I think all Mac computrs
>> have.
>
> The u and e look fine at my end, but I’m also using Mail on a Mac. Bev has
straightened me out about the character viewer; for anybody else who has a Mac
and didn’t know it was there, it’s under Edit in Mail (and in the Finder,
too) but it isn’t called Character Viewer - it’s called “Emojis and
Symbols” There are hundreds of them, and I had to scroll down quite a ways
to find the little heart. I was searching for it using the alternate
characters on the keyboard (hold down Option or Shift+Option while typing the
keyboard characters), which is mostly alphabetic things like vowels with
accents, plus financial symbols like the euro sign and the pound sign.
>
> Adele
>
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Re: [lace] Testing whether Italics will process on Arachne's Old Server

[Adele Shaak]

> Does the ü in Gütermann and the é in Perlé translate correctly?
> I accessed them using the Character viewer which I think all Mac computrs
> have.

The u and e look fine at my end, but I’m also using Mail on a Mac. Bev has 
straightened me out about the character viewer; for anybody else who has a Mac 
and didn’t know it was there, it’s under Edit in Mail (and in the Finder, too) 
but it isn’t called Character Viewer - it’s called “Emojis and Symbols” There 
are hundreds of them, and I had to scroll down quite a ways to find the little 
heart. I was searching for it using the alternate characters on the keyboard 
(hold down Option or Shift+Option while typing the keyboard characters), which 
is mostly alphabetic things like vowels with accents, plus financial symbols 
like the euro sign and the pound sign. 

Adele

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Re: [lace] Testing whether Italics will process on Arachne's Old Server

[Brenda Paternoster]

The alt codes worked but the asterisks, and underline didn’t.
I’m in UK using Mail on a Mac.

Does the ü in Gütermann and the é in Perlé translate correctly?
I accessed them using the Character viewer which I think all Mac computrs
have.

Brenda
>
>  I'm wondering, if I use alt-codes, if other non-English
> letters show up, such as
> the  c in Alençon, the o of Tønder, the u in Cantù
> If not, I'm sorry about the garble...
>
> If I press Alt-3, will you all see a little heart ♥
> If not, here it is in text <3

Brenda in Allhallows
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Re: [lace] Testing whether Italics will process on Arachne's Old Server

[Sue Babbs]

  Same here!

Just wondering what happens if I type Tønder, for example,


Sue

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Re: [lace] Testing whether Italics will process on Arachne's Old Server

[Beth Marshall]

Now that is strange - on my PC the alt-code characters were scrambled in 
Bev's original message, but appear as intended in the quoted message in 
Adele's reply :-)


Go figure...

Beth
In a rather soggy Cheshire, NW England - heavy rain most of the day has 
given way to a sunshine-and-showers evening



On 08/06/17 18:18, Adele Shaak wrote:

Thanks, Bev, for the reminder of the plain text usage. Anybody old enough to 
have grappled with e-mail in its early days will remember this usage, and it 
does work quite well, though not as pretty as actual bolding and italics.

Now, I really must see if Alt-3 makes a heart; on my Apple “Alt” is Shift + 
Option, so Shit-Option-3 gives me: ‹  Rats. Just a pointy thing. On the other 
hand, Apple gives me a couple of different ways to make a little apple: 

Adele
in not-as-warm-as-yesterday very rainy West Vancouver, BC,



A way to indicate them in plain text is as follows:
An asterisk at either end of text is *italics*.
Two asterisks at either end, **bold**
An underscore at either end, _underline_

Some online chat-rooms will convert the * ** and _  to the real thing.

Another test: I'm wondering, if I use alt-codes, if other non-English
letters show up, such as
the  c in Alençon, the o of Tønder, the u in Cantù
If not, I'm sorry about the garble...

If I press Alt-3, will you all see a little heart ♥
If not, here it is in text <3

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Re: [lace] Testing whether Italics will process on Arachne's Old Server

[Adele Shaak]

Thanks, Bev, for the reminder of the plain text usage. Anybody old enough to 
have grappled with e-mail in its early days will remember this usage, and it 
does work quite well, though not as pretty as actual bolding and italics.

Now, I really must see if Alt-3 makes a heart; on my Apple “Alt” is Shift + 
Option, so Shit-Option-3 gives me: ‹  Rats. Just a pointy thing. On the other 
hand, Apple gives me a couple of different ways to make a little apple: 

Adele 
in not-as-warm-as-yesterday very rainy West Vancouver, BC,


> A way to indicate them in plain text is as follows:
> An asterisk at either end of text is *italics*.
> Two asterisks at either end, **bold**
> An underscore at either end, _underline_
> 
> Some online chat-rooms will convert the * ** and _  to the real thing.
> 
> Another test: I'm wondering, if I use alt-codes, if other non-English
> letters show up, such as
> the  c in Alençon, the o of Tønder, the u in Cantù
> If not, I'm sorry about the garble...
> 
> If I press Alt-3, will you all see a little heart ♥
> If not, here it is in text <3

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Re: [lace] Testing whether Italics will process on Arachne's Old Server

[Bev Walker]

Hello again Jeri and everyone

First, ditto Shirley T. ! The arachne list is an ongoing delight.

Jeri, your underline, bold and italic won't be seen in any country. It
isn't the server, it is the software.
Our set-up permits punctuation but not formatting such as bold, italic and
underlining.

A way to indicate them in plain text is as follows:
An asterisk at either end of text is *italics*.
Two asterisks at either end, **bold**
An underscore at either end, _underline_

Some online chat-rooms will convert the * ** and _  to the real thing.

Another test: I'm wondering, if I use alt-codes, if other non-English
letters show up, such as
the  c in Alençon, the o of Tønder, the u in Cantù
If not, I'm sorry about the garble...

If I press Alt-3, will you all see a little heart ♥
If not, here it is in text <3



> On 08-Jun-17 4:04 AM, jeria...@aol.com wrote:
>
>> Thank you, Responders.
>>   What we have confirmed today is that none of the special characters on
>> our
>> keyboards, with the exception of quote marks, work in Canada, the U.S.
>> and
>> the U.K.
>
> --
Bev in warm and rainy Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island,
west coast of Canada

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Re: [lace] Testing whether Italics will process on Arachne's Old Server

[Brenda Paternoster]

It was the same for me.

>
> Quotation marks came through but italics, bold type, italics & bold type
together, and underline all came through as normal type!

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RE: [lace] Testing whether Italics will process on Arachne's Old Server

[Noelene Lafferty]

Your test here in Australia came through as with others, Jeri.  Punctuation
but no italics, or bold, or underline.

I would welcome a change to another email exchange base, as messages from
some members of Arachne get truncated as soon as they use an unusual
character like an apostrophe, and I have to go to our archive to read the
whole message.

I run a small email chat group, just for Australian lacemakers, through
Google Groups which is free, has no ads, does not generate any spam, and
allows the inclusion of formatted text but I don't believe it would be
possible to mass transfer 1,000 plus new members on to it.  And it does not
offer any support (being free), so there is no way I can enquire about this.

Noelene at The Angle
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Re: [lace] Testing whether Italics will process on Arachne's Old Server

[Bev Walker]

Hello Catherine, Jeri, and everyone

The mail list software will only show as plain, any formatted text (bold,
italics, etc.) .
See how it looks at the mail archive:
https://www.mail-archive.com/lace@arachne.com/msg50834.html

Idea: write the review on a blog for instance, to get the desired text
effects, and post the link to us on arachne.

On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 10:40 AM, catherinebar...@btinternet.com <
catherinebar...@btinternet.com> wrote:

> Quotation marks came through but italics, bold type, italics & bold type
> together, and underline all came through as normal type!
>
> >
> > As you know, color, fancy type faces, diagrams and photos cannot be  used
> > on Arachne mail..
>
>
>

-- 
Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of
Canada

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Re: [lace] Testing whether Italics will process on Arachne's Old Server

[Carol]

HelloJeri,
Quote mark are all that came through from your list of possibilities for me as 
well as the normal punctuation of question marks and periods in the rest of 
your email.
Carol Melton
Valley of the Sun
West of Phoenix, AZ USA

> What happens with quote marks:  "This is a test."
> 

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Re: [lace] Testing whether Italics will process on Arachne's Old Server

[catherinebar...@btinternet.com]

Hi Jeri

Quotation marks came through but italics, bold type, italics & bold type 
together, and underline all came through as normal type!  

Best Wishes
Catherine UK

Sent from my iPad 

Catherine Barley Needlelace
www.catherinebarley.com

> On 7 Jun 2017, at 17:32, jeria...@aol.com wrote:
> 
> As you know, color, fancy type faces, diagrams and photos cannot be  used 
> on Arachne mail..
> 
> When books are reviewed, it is nice to put a title in bold italics  instead 
> of using quote marks.  Some non-English language computers do  not take 
> kindly to quote marks and you are looking at a bunch of funny  characters 
> when 
> we use them.  
> 
> Italics would be a solution, if they work on mail passing through our  old 
> Arachne Server.  Let us test what happens with the series of  options below. 
> Did any of these work everywhere?  Each time, after  describing 5 actions, 
> I have test-typed what has been described with the  phrase:
> 
> This is a test.
> 
> What happens with quote marks:  "This is a test."
> 
> What happens with italics:  This is a  test..
> 
> What happens with bold type:  This is a test.
> 
> What happens with both italics and bold:  This  is a test.
> 
> What happens with an underline:  This is a test.
> 
> Jeri Ames in Maine USA
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