Re: [lace] Belgian color code

[Susan Roberts]

Dear all

I did Chantilly year 1 at the Kantcentrum in July this year, Lieve Pollet uses
turquoise for pairs that are carried with the gimp in Chantilly.  She did say
it wasn't part of the official colour coding.  It does make it clearer that
the pairs aren't thrown out which it would appear if a line just stopped. I
had no problem telling turquoise from blue or green, orange (cttt) from red
(ctct) in the ground on this lace was a totally different story

Susan
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> On 18 Sep 2017, at 22:04, jo  wrote:
>
> Thanks fort this exhaustive list. Never heard of turquoise, seems to me it
> could be hard to tell apart from green and blue, colors may present
> themselves differently on another screens or another printers. What is a
> turnover stitch in terms of ctp (cross/twist/pin) anyway?
>
> Jo
> https://github.com/d-bl/GroundForge/wiki/
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RE: [lace] Belgian color code

[jo]

Thanks fort this exhaustive list. Never heard of turquoise, seems to me it
could be hard to tell apart from green and blue, colors may present
themselves differently on another screens or another printers. What is a
turnover stitch in terms of ctp (cross/twist/pin) anyway?

I started the discussion to apply logical colors in the web application I
have published and still under further development. Like the black-and-white
version there are other variations in other contexts.  Susan Roberts wrote
an article in lace and on her website about a multicolor and red/blue
system. So it would be wise to have a legend along with published patterns. 

Allowing, even encouraging, unorthodox stitches and both open and closed
stitches in GroundForge I usually have to decide on the colors based on the
core of the stitch. Twist marks are a headache on their own and I'm working
on more consistent colors. Both are the issues from a longer list I'm
currently working on. Don't hold your breath but also don't let it stop you
from playing and experimenting.

Jo
https://github.com/d-bl/GroundForge/wiki/ 

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Re: [lace] Belgian color code

[Adele Shaak]

Thank you, Greet, for the extended colour code. Most of the lacemakers I know 
are familiar with the meanings for green, purple, red, and possibly yellow, but 
most do not know the other ones. Sometimes we have long discussions about it at 
my lace club.

Adele
West Vancouver, BC
(west coast of Canada)

> Green: half stitch
> Purple: linen stitch
> Red: double stitch
> Yellow: gimp
> Yellow in Cluny lace: Venetian plait
> yellow leaf, square or triangle: tally
> Orange: Dieppe stitch
> Brown: twisted half stitch or enclosed pin stitch
> Blue: plait
> Turquoise: turn-over stitch
> 
> In tulle laces, the ground can be drawn in green, orange and brown. This
> depends on the kind of tulle lace.
> ( texte Veerle Meersschaut)

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Re: [lace] Belgian color code

[Gon Homburg]

> Nancy wrote
> 
> I agree with Antje. Thanks for posting the extended list of color codes,
> Greet. The Belgian color code is pure genius, and has been so informative
> for me while reading working diagrams of the Flemish laces. It's one of the
> best innovations in lace-making in the last century! (Can you tell? I like
> it. :-)
> 
Personally for I always use the black and white code of torchon and tule. This 
code was developed by Henk Hardeman for the Dutch Lace  Education in a time 
that colored copies were very expensive. In this the simple torchon ground is 
simply drawn are diagonal lines with dots on the crossings. I like that because 
the diagonal lines show the path the pairs are going. In the color code the 
green lines are going around the dot and don’t follow the path of the pairs. 
But surely the simple is the code you are familiar with.

Happy lacing,
Gon Homburg from a at this moment sunny Amsterdam, the Netherlands

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Re: [lace] Belgian color code

[N.A. Neff]

I agree with Antje. Thanks for posting the extended list of color codes,
Greet. The Belgian color code is pure genius, and has been so informative
for me while reading working diagrams of the Flemish laces. It's one of the
best innovations in lace-making in the last century! (Can you tell? I like
it. :-)

Nancy,
usually in Connecticut USA,
but right now in Milan leaving for my gelato fix, before the first meeting
the Lace Tour of Italy group in the lobby at 15:00!

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Re: [lace] Belgian color code

[AGlez]

Thank you vey much for your information.

I am a fond follower of the Belgian colour code and think that it is a
great invention. Knowing how to read it, we can understand many books and
try many techniques we do not know, because the colours of the lines show
us all! It is also very useful to take notes of what we are doing, or to
explain others how to work this and that.

Greetings from the centre of Spain.

Antje González
www.vueltaycruz.es

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[lace] Belgian color code

[Greet Rome-Verbeylen]

Dear Arachne friends,

Maybe this will help too:

Before the invention of the color code, learning lace making was a slow
process. Thanks to the Bruges color code, this goes a lot faster.
The color code was developed shortly before the first world war in the
Bruges lace school and belonged to the lesson program.
Ever since the rise of the making bobbin lace as a leisure activity in the
sixties of the last century, the color code has gradually conquered much of
Europe.
On the work schedule, which indicates the wire run, the crosses of the pairs
are indicated in a color that determines what kind of stitch should be made.
This has made learning lace making much simpler.
Anyone who has learned to read fluently the color code lacemaking during the
base year, can afterwards in a quick way learn a new kind of lace.
Each stitch, gimp, plait or tally has his own color. The lace maker only
must follow the work schedule and, thanks to the colors, knows what to do.

This is the color code used in Belgium and in a large part of Europe.

Green: half stitch
Purple: linen stitch
Red: double stitch
Yellow: gimp
Yellow in Cluny lace: Venetian plait
yellow leaf, square or triangle: tally
Orange: Dieppe stitch
Brown: twisted half stitch or enclosed pin stitch
Blue: plait
Turquoise: turn-over stitch

In tulle laces, the ground can be drawn in green, orange and brown. This
depends on the kind of tulle lace.
( texte Veerle Meersschaut)

Happy lacemaking.

Greet Rome
Brugge2018 vzw
www.worldlacecongressbrugge2018.be

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RE: [lace] belgian color code cttct

[jo]

For technical reasons I just need a color, without annotations like circles
or cross marks.

In the mean time I remembered some pages on Pinterest. One page of Ulrike's
book on Torchon uses brown for ctt.
There is also a spiral bound book "Jolanda's vogels" (birds) she uses also
brown but for cttctt.

So I'll stick to brown.

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RE: [lace] belgian color code cttct

[jo]

For technical reasons I just need a color, without annotations like circles
or cross marks.

In the mean time I remembered some pages on Pinterest. One page of Ulrike's
book on Torchon uses brown for ctt.
There is also a spiral bound book "Jolanda's vogels" (birds) she uses also
brown but for cttctt.

So I'll stick to brown.

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Re: [lace] belgian color code cttct

[Bev Walker]

Isn't it a little black circle at the turning part?

On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 9:37 AM, N.A. Neff  wrote:

> Good question.  Might it be a green intersection (half stitch), little
> hatch mark for another twist, then another green intersection (halfstitch)?
>
> >
> > What is the Belgian color code for the turning stitch: cttct?
> >
>

-- 
Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of
Canada

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Re: [lace] belgian color code cttct

[N.A. Neff]

Good question.  Might it be a green intersection (half stitch), little
hatch mark for another twist, then another green intersection (halfstitch)?
If there's no pin in the center of all that, it would pull up into a
turning stitch, so the diagram would be right for the thread movements.

Nancy
usually in Connecticut US, but right now in Herculaneum (Ercolano) Italy,
just outside of Naples.

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>
> What is the Belgian color code for the turning stitch: cttct?
>
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[lace] belgian color code cttct

[jo]

Dear spiders

What is the Belgian color code for the turning stitch: cttct?

Jo

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[lace] Belgian Color Code

[Delores Miller]

I have two questions.

1.  I have color codes in several of my books but have failed to find any
listed as the Belgian Color Code.  Could someone list them for me?

2.  In Torchon Lace, what is the difference between a chevron and a heart?
They appear to be the same so I thought the terms were interchangeable.

Thanks for your help.

Delores Miller
Sedro-Woolley, WA, USA

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Re: [lace] Belgian Color Code

[Claire Allen]

It may well be they are one and the same thing, but personally, I would say a 
chevron is deeper and a heart is more heart shaped like a chopping a corner out 
of one side of a diamond.

Claire
Kent, UK


Claire Allen
www.bonitocrafts.co.uk
Crafty stuff I want to show off.



On 14 Mar 2010, at 16:07, Delores Miller wrote:

 I have two questions.
 
 1.  I have color codes in several of my books but have failed to find any
 listed as the Belgian Color Code.  Could someone list them for me?
 
 2.  In Torchon Lace, what is the difference between a chevron and a heart?
 They appear to be the same so I thought the terms were interchangeable.
 
 Thanks for your help.
 
 Delores Miller
 Sedro-Woolley, WA, USA
 
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Re: [lace] Belgian Color Code

[A . González]

Hello Delores.

Most recent books follow the Belgian Colour code, although it doesn't say it
is the Belgian one.

The colours used are:
Cloth stitch (CTC): violet
Whole st. (TCTC): red
Half St. (TC): green
Braid:  blue
Gimp: yellow

Sometimes Dieppe (TTC pin TC) is represented by orange, instead of green and
a small line of the extra twist. And honeycomb in brown.

I hope this answers your question 1.

Best regards from Antje, in Spain.


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Re: [lace] Belgian Color Code

[Brenda Paternoster]

 1.  I have color codes in several of my books but have failed to find any
 listed as the Belgian Color Code.  Could someone list them for me?

I presume that Belgian colour code is the one used by the Kantcentrum in Bruges.
The standard colour coding for BL working diagrams is:
purple for cloth stitch CTC
red for cloth  twist CTCT
green for half stitch CT
Yellow for a single thread (gimp or weaver in a tally) but a lot of books use 
black as it's easier to see.

The coloured diagrams in Bridget Cook's workbook are single threads, not pairs, 
and she just used a mix of red and blue as she felt best highlighted the 
stitches being described

 2. In Torchon Lace, what is the difference between a chevron and a heart?
 They appear to be the same so I thought the terms were interchangeable.


To me a heart is designed to be worn/displayed, but not necessarily worked, 
with the point going down.  A chevron can point in any direction.  Other than 
that they are the same in Torchon lace.

Brenda in Allhallows
paternos...@appleshack.com
http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/

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