Re: [lace] Help With Skeined Cotton Thread

2022-02-26 Thread N.A. Neff
Dear Adele,

Check the thread with a high-powered loupe -- you should be able to
see 'nodes' in the fibers if it's linen (which would be very exciting
given how fine it is).
https://lenoklinen.com/blog/linen-fibers-miscroscoping

Also, the following blog post gives some other methods for
distinguishing linen from cotton:
https://mytextilenotes.blogspot.com/2010/02/distinguishing-linen-from-cotton.html#:~:text=Linen

HTH.
Nancy
Connecticut, USA

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Re: [lace] Help With Skeined Cotton Thread

2022-02-25 Thread ashaak
Update on the thread -

Interesting - the slips are not as I expected. I thought the entire parcel
would be one long length of thread, with all the slips joined to one another,
but - no. Each slip is fastened off, separate from the others, so you can just
extract one slip at a time from the system.

I unpicked the one remaining pink thread, and the red thread, took out one
slip, and tied everything back up again. I happen to have some sherry glasses
that have a stem about ¾ inch (2 cm) wide, and I got one of those and reeled
the thread from the slip onto it. The 90 yards took me about 90 minutes, but
it wasn’t difficult; the thread had some extra twists and tended to wind
back on itself, but those tangles undid themselves mostly without any problem.
There are 3 places where I got a small knot I couldn’t get out, but that’s
not bad for 90 yards.

The thread seems quite strong and in good condition; I thought I might have
breakage, but I didn’t. I broke a piece off; it didn’t seem any easier to
break than new thread. I hope that bodes well for when I’m making lace with
it.

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Re: [lace] Help With Skeined Cotton Thread

2022-02-25 Thread ashaak
Thank you so much, Jean, Sue (and Brenda & Clay through the archives) -

My little 6” parcel didn’t seem to have any red threads, or any indication
of having been tied at all, but the picture of your parcel that you so kindly
sent, Jean, looked a lot like my parcel in every other respect, including the
pink threads. Thank you for sending the picture - it gave me the confidence to
proceed.

I plucked up my courage and snipped the two circles of pink thread, and
unfolded the skein. There were more folds than I thought; what I unveiled was
just over 18 inches long, so each time the thread went around would measure 1
yard.

More importantly, tucked away in the middle was what I hadn’t even suspected
was there - a third pink thread, going around the skein, plus the red thread
dividing the parcel into slips. My parcel has 13 slips, but the red thread has
extra length on it, and indications that it was untied and retied, and one
slip has been removed. So it was the finest, 14-slip thread.

I separated one slip and put it under a magnifier to count the threads - the
slip has 90 threads, so 90 yards (plus maybe an extra half-yard) in each slip.
Doing the math, the entire parcel of 13 slips has 1,170 yards, and it weighs
about 6 grams (on a non-electronic old-fashioned kitchen scale, so not
tremendously to be trusted).

I am definitely going to have to use this thread for something. I don’t know
what yet, but, obviously, a very fine lace!

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Re: [lace] Help With Skeined Cotton Thread

2022-02-25 Thread Jean Leader
Hi Adele,

I think it’s probably very fine cotton. In the Romance of the Lace Pillow by
Thomas Wright (1971 reprint from Paul Minet) on p.123 it says
“Many workers  use ordinary Lace Thread (which is, of course, cotton),
sometimes called Gassed Thread, from the fact that it is drawn at a slow but
regular pace through a flame of gas in order to deprive it of all film. A two
ounce packet contains four “parcels,” and each parcel a specified number
of “slips”. In the case of the extremely fine “14 slip thread” there
are fourteen slips, in the case of the “12 slip thread” 12 slips, and so
on down to “3 slip,” which is the coarsest in use.”

Somewhere else that I can’t find right now, I’m sure I’ve read that
these “parcels" were tied with pink thread. I’m sending you a photo of
what I think mayt be one of these parcels that I have - it is about 15cm (6in)
long tied with pink string top and bottom and has 14 divisions separated by
the darker pink thread. It only weighs about an eighth of an ounce on my
kitchen scales which may not be very accurate for small amounts. I have other
skeins of thread like this but haven’t had much success when I’ve tried to
unwind them - I suspect the thread isn’t as strong as it would have been
when new. I’ll send you a photo of the thread separately.

Jean


> On 25 Feb 2022, at 19:43, Adele Shaak  wrote:
>
> Hi, Everybody:
>
> I just got a skein of old linen thread that’s not like anything I’ve
ever
> seen before, here in Canada, but I think maybe some of the Europeans on
this
> list might be familiar with what I have and be able to help me.
>
> It’s a single skein, not marked or labelled, and it is very fine - maybe
> equivalent to 180 gassed Egyptian cotton in size - and I think it is linen
> from the feel of it. It is about 15cm (6in) long right now, but it has been
> folded, and about 1.5cm in from each end it is secured with a circle of
pink
> thread. One end is a single fold of the entire skein and the other is two
> folded ends held together.
>
> I think - but I haven’t opened it so I am not sure - that what it is, is
a
> skein of thread about 60 cm around, that has been flatted and folded in
half
> and secured at each end. The thread is so very fine, and has that slight
> wiriness I associate with linen, that I am worried that if I just start
> mucking about with it, in my ignorance I will tangle it beyond saving.
>
> I suppose that if I knew what I was doing, I would cut the pink ties, open
up
> the skein … and then what? How would this be handled? Is there a method?
I
> want to be able to wind it onto bobbins but I’m not sure how to do it.
>
> Any advice on what I should do now?
>
> Adele
> Vancouver, BC
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