[Langcom] Wiktionary requests dating to the second half of 2011

[Steven White]

There are three such requests, and I am going to mark each of them eligible:


Wiktionary 
Emilian
 (egl): I would remind you that the former code for "Emilian-Romagnol (eml)" 
was retired and split in 2009. Wiktionary Romagnol was marked eligible in 
November 2017, and this project is eligible, too. Question of what to do about 
the current Wikipedia in Emilian-Romagnol is not directly relevant.

Wiktionary 
Rusyn
 (rue): The Wikipedia in this language was created in 2011. The Wiktionary 
project's request page does outline issues that have arisen at the Wikipedia. 
And the Wiktionary has been pretty dormant since 2011. But there are about 25 
pages there, and the Wikipedia seems to be active. So this test is eligible, 
and will be marked that way.

Wiktionary 
Assamese
 (as): Project was closed and exported to Incubator in 2008 due to inactivity 
and spambots. There is no reason this test should not be eligible.


Steven


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Re: [Langcom] Eligibility for translatewiki localization

[Steven White]

I haven't heard any objections with respect to Montenegrin on 
translatewiki.net—even if Language Committee decisions apply there, which I 
personally doubt.


With respect to Ancash Quechua, the question here is about an evolving standard 
that the Ecuadorian government is supporting on Ecuadorian varieties of 
Quechua. (See the page you cited below.) The communities (such as they are) 
have agreed to consolidate on Incubator using that evolving standard and the 
langcode qwh. It's not, after all, that it's very likely that a separate 
community is going to want to localize in the specific, pure variety "Huaylas 
Ancash Quechua" in addition. So I think you're fine.


On the whole, as far as translatewiki.net goes, I think the approach should be, 
"When in doubt, include it."


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   1. Eligibility for translatewiki localization (Amir E. Aharoni)


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Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 11:36:27 +0200
From: "Amir E. Aharoni" 
To: Wikimedia Foundation Language Committee

Subject: [Langcom] Eligibility for translatewiki localization
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Hi,

There's something that I had to consider several times recently: If there
are doubts about a language's eligibility for having its own Wikipedia, but
it does have an ISO code, is there any reason to deny translation into it
in translatewiki?

More precisely: The language definitely passes criterion 2 in "Requisites
for eligibility" [1] ("The language must have a valid ISO 639 1–3 code"),
but there is no conclusive decision about whether it passes criterion 3
("The language must be sufficiently unique that it could not coexist on a
more general wiki").

Example 1: Montenegrin (cnr), which was discussed lately, and about which
most of the Language committee seems to have the opinion that it doesn't
pass criterion 3.

Example 2: Ancash Quechua (qwh). There is some discussion about it at
https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmeta.wikimedia.org%2Fwiki%2FRequests_for_new_languages%2FWikipedia_Ancash_Quechua=02%7C01%7C%7C25ca2a28d2444c3adc3508d57859b332%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636547249008022764=6Wi1W7qvQ6bdN7VjH6E8XgA%2FQTxT1rzVkOviATdNqd8%3D=0
, but I cannot find any discussion by committee members (other than
Steven). (I don't have an opinion about it myself, and I'm not opposed to
marking it as eligible.)

Example 3: Dari (prs). This was already rejected by the committee with an
explanation similar to Montenegrin, but it is already enabled in
translatewiki. (Curiously, translatewiki also has Zoroastrian Dari [gbz];
I'm not sure why, but I'm not really opposed to it.)

I'd say that in such cases, localization in translatewiki should usually be
allowed. In translatewiki we have English, UK English, and Canadian
English; German and Formal German (Sie); Hungarian and Formal Hungarian. If
these are eligible for translatewiki, then I'd say that cnr and qwh are
eligible for translatewiki, because both seem to have at least some
differences from related languages.

Of course, there's the question of whether Language Committee decisions
apply to translatewiki at all, given that it's not really a Wikimedia
project, but it's probably legitimate to at least express an opinion.

[1]
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Re: [Langcom] Basque Wikisource

[MF-Warburg]

I think that's an acceptable risk since the public announcement doesn't
exist to make the public rejoice over the planned approval but also to make
it possible to slow the process down if necessary.

Am 28.02.2018 3:35 nachm. schrieb "Steven White" :

Of course.  I'm simply reluctant to post the formal Meta notification to
overlap with LangCom's seven-day comment period if I think there is a
serious risk of an objection slowing things down.


Steven


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   1. Re: Basque Wikisource (MF-Warburg)


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I dont expect that, but one week still needs to be waited. But it's
perfectly reasonable to already make the announcement on Meta (as you did).

Am 27.02.2018 5:03 vorm. schrieb "Steven White" :

Does anyone think there will be an Committee objection on this? I think I
will also post the final public notice for this one. (Will do both in the
morning my time.)

Steven White

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   1. Re: Approval of Basque Wikisource (Jon Harald Søby)
   2. Re: Approval of Basque Wikisource (Gerard Meijssen)


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+1 as well

2018-02-23 18:04 GMT+01:00 Oliver Stegen :

> +1 from me
>
>
> Oliver
>
> On 23-Feb-18 17:02, Steven White wrote:
>
> Links:
>
> Language request:  https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
https%3A%2F%2Fmeta.wikimedia.org%2Fwiki%2FRequests_=02%7C01%7C%
7C300acf87bf4a4d13b08908d57b7e57ec%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435
%7C1%7C0%7C636550704926185090=68shH64xWCwScYjNFRLKGz%2Fie%
2BixsV0TiEzsdK66nrs%3D=0
> for_new_languages/Wikisource_Basque
>
> Project:  https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
https%3A%2F%2Fwikisource.org%2Fwiki%2FCategory%3AEuskara=02%7C01%7C%
7C300acf87bf4a4d13b08908d57b7e57ec%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435
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