Re: [Langcom] Nys wikipedia

2018-02-12 Thread Oliver Stegen
And another one who talked to Gnangarra in Berlin: I remember that I explicitly said that the current standard is to write a new language's WMF project in that language. I had realized that nys:wp was written predominantly in English. I don't think that I encouraged any interpretation that

Re: [Langcom] Nys wikipedia

2018-02-12 Thread Michael Everson
I was also in Berlin, and remember speaking to Gnangarra there. I agree with Amir. I did not realize that what was being suggested was not an encyclopaedia written in the target language. Michael Everson > On 12 Feb 2018, at 13:19, Amir E. Aharoni > wrote: > >

Re: [Langcom] Nys wikipedia

2018-02-12 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
So, here's the problem: the request appears to be for something other than what we usually know as "a Wikipedia in a language". The disclaimer at the top of the current nys main page says: "the use of Noongar language is encouraged but not essential as we recognise wer acknowledge the different

Re: [Langcom] Nys wikipedia

2018-02-12 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
2017-12-19 18:19 GMT+02:00 Steven White : > I'm non-voting, of course, so I'm not going to offer an opinion, *per > se. * But, Gideon, I keep hearing "in Berlin". Whom did you speak to in > Berlin? LangCom people? Board members? If it was board members, then we > might

Re: [Langcom] Nys wikipedia

2018-02-09 Thread Oliver Stegen
So this remains a contentious issue. IIRC, previous discussion tried to come up with a plan for specialized wikis in heritage languages. Does a community where the majority (or even *every* community member) no longer speaks the original language have a right to preserve it in WMF projects? I

Re: [Langcom] Nys wikipedia

2018-02-09 Thread Michael Everson
Here is a paragraph chosen at random from the Incubator. The Darlmoorluk (English names Australian Ringneck, or Twenty-eight Parrot from its page number in an old book of birds in Perth[source?]) is a native dweller of the Australian south-west, a particularly unique *jerda* (bird) within

Re: [Langcom] Nys wikipedia

2018-02-09 Thread MF-Warburg
I see that the most-used messages are translated and the activity looks ok since 2017-10 < https://tools.wmflabs.org/meta/catanalysis/index.php?cat=0=Wp/nys=incubatorwiki> (except this started month). 2018-02-07 8:08 GMT+01:00 Gnangarra : > Where are we this, its 12

Re: [Langcom] Nys wikipedia

2018-02-09 Thread Gnangarra
Where are we this, its 12 months since I was first contacted by committee members and told that this is ready to go I'll help get it through. In Berlin I spoke with the committee they were happy with the project and requested the translations the key terms to be done. We have been translating

Re: [Langcom] Nys wikipedia

2017-12-27 Thread Gnangarra
I have started on the translations of articles(bibol) into noongar and started weeding out those which offer no content. Obviously as I go through the use of noongar increases I'll be cleaning up grammatical issues. Creating a namespace for english language articles is possible but please be

Re: [Langcom] Nys wikipedia

2017-12-27 Thread Phake Nick
- Wikia have recently renamed their site to Fandom, and their description is now "The entertainment site where fans come first". While it is still technically possible to create such a project in wikia, I am not sure if it is going to be a good fit there. In addition, vision of WMF is to allow sum

Re: [Langcom] Nys wikipedia

2017-12-27 Thread Jon Harald Søby
If you have an English namespace for it, I imagine you can do something like this in the main namespace: *Unfortunately, we don't have an article about this in Noongar yet, but there is an English article available below. Please help translate it into Noongar.* {{:Background:Article subject}}

Re: [Langcom] Nys wikipedia

2017-12-21 Thread Michael Everson
It’s not a Wikipedia as we know it. It’s also mostly stubs and almost-stubs. I don’t know if we have a place for it. Has Wikia been considered? Michael ___ Langcom mailing list Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [Langcom] Nys wikipedia

2017-12-20 Thread Michael Everson
OK, where is this? I had better take a look at it. It sounds controversial. > On 20 Dec 2017, at 11:22, Gnangarra wrote: > > Kaya > > disclaimer: In saying the below I believe nys.wikipedia.org is ready, and > very capable to stand alone, but I am also thinking

Re: [Langcom] Nys wikipedia

2017-12-20 Thread Gnangarra
Kaya *disclaimer: *In saying the below I believe nys.wikipedia.org is ready, and very capable to stand alone, but I am also thinking about options based on Gerards suggestions and the potential for additional knowledge growth for communities beyond the Noongar language; what if it was

Re: [Langcom] Nys wikipedia

2017-12-20 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, That does not fit what is understood to be a Wikipedia. What are your arguments to call this a Wikipedia? It does not work in any way linking to Wikidata. So no. I do not think so. With a separate project we can indeed have multiple namespaces and link them properly based on the language

Re: [Langcom] Nys wikipedia

2017-12-20 Thread Jon Harald Søby
How about, once there is enough content *in* Nyungar, it is created like a normal Wikipedia, but with a separate namespace for the stuff that is currently in English? 2017-12-20 13:19 GMT+01:00 Gerard Meijssen : > Hoi, > Including abridged has two issues.. It is

Re: [Langcom] Nys wikipedia

2017-12-20 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Including abridged has two issues.. It is English and it is not a Wikipedia. So there must be another name for the project. The notion of removing the abridged is not applicable. When there is sufficient traction to have a Wikipedia in the specific language, it will be a Wikipedia and it will

Re: [Langcom] Nys wikipedia

2017-12-20 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, We have a situation where it makes sense to provide a platform for the Noongar language and culture. As you will read in the thread, Wikipedia is not the platform for this because of the hostility against subjects that lack "sources". The Noongar language is largely oral so much of the

Re: [Langcom] Nys wikipedia

2017-12-19 Thread Steven White
Minor side note: I note that this project was never marked "eligible". So I will do so now. Steven Sent from Outlook ___ Langcom mailing list Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom

Re: [Langcom] Nys wikipedia

2017-12-19 Thread Steven White
I'm non-voting, of course, so I'm not going to offer an opinion, per se. But, Gideon, I keep hearing "in Berlin". Whom did you speak to in Berlin? LangCom people? Board members? If it was board members, then we might actually need some guidance as to what the board was thinking, and as to what

Re: [Langcom] Nys wikipedia

2017-12-19 Thread Gnangarra
Kaya I did raise my concerns about the use of english when in Berlin and was told that it was ok, I'll focus on getting more of it translated though I hope this doesnt hold the project. One of our key issues is that Noongar is an oral language and written form is the result of european records,

Re: [Langcom] Nys wikipedia

2017-12-18 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, There are good arguments that I see to provide a platform for something like this. The best argument is that the English community does not get it and will destroy much of its integrity. So while I think that calling this a Wikipedia is not correct, there is room for this as a Wikiproject in

Re: [Langcom] Nys wikipedia

2017-12-18 Thread MF-Warburg
I don't remember such a discussion either. 2017-12-18 17:30 GMT+01:00 Gerard Meijssen : > Hoi, > A lot may have been discussed in Berlin but this was not communicated > afterwards .. So no. > Thanks, > GerardM > > On 18 December 2017 at 14:52, Steven White

Re: [Langcom] Nys wikipedia

2017-12-18 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, A lot may have been discussed in Berlin but this was not communicated afterwards .. So no. Thanks, GerardM On 18 December 2017 at 14:52, Steven White wrote: > Jon Harald, I think I was told at one point that this was discussed in > Berlin, and would be

Re: [Langcom] Nys wikipedia

2017-12-18 Thread Steven White
Jon Harald, I think I was told at one point that this was discussed in Berlin, and would be acceptable for the purpose of helping to support this project in an Australian aboriginal language. But as I was not in Berlin, I'd like some LangCom member who was there to confirm this. Gnangarra,

Re: [Langcom] Nys wikipedia

2017-12-18 Thread Jon Harald Søby
Hi Gnangarra, I'm quite confused, because practically all the samples I looked at from https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wp/nys are articles *in English*, not in Nyungar. A new language edition of Wikipedia needs to be *in that language*, not content in another language (in this case