IMHO, in the end it should be possible to do an application in an RAD-way (if
desired), test it on a desktop (using the desktop Widgets for its GUI), scale
it (by defining parts of the procedures as "Remote"), and finally (just by
re-compiling) have it run as a combination of
On 26/11/2019 8:38 pm, Bo Berglund via lazarus wrote:
> one can get maybe 20/5 Mbit/s but during summer vacations when the
> population multiplies many times over it drops to sub-Mbit/s very
> often.
> Too much on-line video usage, I think.
LOL - 7 years ago when I still lived in South Africa...
On coastal islands here in Maine, USA, some islands have chosen to simply lay
the fiber cables on the ground rather than bury them or place them on poles as
long as the run does not cross roads or other potentially damaging obstacles.
Seems to be working well.
Good luck getting faster
On Sun, 24 Nov 2019 11:35:20 +0100, Florian Klämpfl via lazarus
wrote:
>> I for one spend 3-4 months every year in my cottage where we only have
>> mobile Internet and at speeds that vary depending on how many
>> neighbors are visiting the island all at the same time. In popular
>> summer weeks
On 25/11/2019 7:40 pm, Michael Van Canneyt via lazarus wrote:
> I know this. We have the same for pas2js, there is a demo for it.
>
> But this is still not RAD. Developing a GUI with RAD is simply faster.
I need to watch some FPC videos and try some more demos. I'm clearly
lagging behind on what
El 25/11/19 a les 19:18, Graeme Geldenhuys via lazarus ha escrit:
On 25/11/2019 8:11 am, Luca Olivetti via lazarus wrote:
I meant an internal network with an
application specific server used by many clients.
And that is exactly how the other day we had 500+ IntelliJ IDEA
developers in our
On Mon, 25 Nov 2019, Graeme Geldenhuys via lazarus wrote:
On 25/11/2019 8:27 am, Michael Van Canneyt via lazarus wrote:
In order to see the full potential of web components, the IDE needs to be
web-enabled.
So you don't like the idea how React development is done? It runs some
server in
On 11/23/2019 8:50 PM, Daithi Haxton via lazarus wrote:
For my 2 cents, keep Lazarus as an independent, native code IDE. We do
instrumentation packages for manufacturing robots, and “the Web” is simply not
an option. Laz makes us at least 10x more productive than any other option (and
we’ve
On 25/11/2019 8:11 am, Luca Olivetti via lazarus wrote:
> I meant an internal network with an
> application specific server used by many clients.
And that is exactly how the other day we had 500+ IntelliJ IDEA
developers in our company that couldn't run IntelliJ. The licensing
server died for a
On Mon, 25 Nov 2019, Dmitry Boyarintsev via lazarus wrote:
On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 9:55 AM Michael Van Canneyt via lazarus <
lazarus@lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote:
Does it mean that LCL should let go all the native targets and become
purely web-based?
No, of course not. It "just" means
On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 9:55 AM Michael Van Canneyt via lazarus <
lazarus@lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote:
> > Does it mean that LCL should let go all the native targets and become
> > purely web-based?
>
> No, of course not. It "just" means implementing a web widgetset.
>
So the ultimate goal
On Mon, 25 Nov 2019, Dmitry Boyarintsev via lazarus wrote:
On Sat, Nov 23, 2019 at 5:26 PM Michael Van Canneyt via lazarus <
lazarus@lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote:
The question whether Lazarus should be remade as an Electron style app?
Do you mean the IDE or all the API/widgets?
The IDE.
On Sat, Nov 23, 2019 at 5:26 PM Michael Van Canneyt via lazarus <
lazarus@lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote:
> > The question whether Lazarus should be remade as an Electron style app?
> Do you mean the IDE or all the API/widgets?
>
> The IDE. That implies the API/Widgets.
>
Does it mean that LCL
On Sun, 24 Nov 2019, Dmitry Boyarintsev via lazarus wrote:
On Sat, Nov 23, 2019 at 5:04 PM Michael Van Canneyt via lazarus <
lazarus@lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote:
This week in Be.Delphi, (and last week in DüsselDorf, Germany) TMS
Software has unveiled
a VS Code plugin: an Object Pascal RAD
On Mon, 25 Nov 2019, Luca Olivetti via lazarus wrote:
El 24/11/19 a les 22:56, Marco van de Voort via lazarus ha escrit:
Op 2019-11-24 om 22:35 schreef Luca Olivetti via lazarus:
Web only apps is not really my cup of tea. I
don't always work where there is good any any internet.
But
El 24/11/19 a les 22:56, Marco van de Voort via lazarus ha escrit:
Op 2019-11-24 om 22:35 schreef Luca Olivetti via lazarus:
Web only apps is not really my cup of tea. I
don't always work where there is good any any internet.
But you can run a custom web app on a local server, no internet
> On Nov 24, 2019, at 8:20 AM, Dmitry Boyarintsev via lazarus
> wrote:
>
> How are debugging capabilities in VS Code?
On Mac it's pretty good I would say but recently I came across a bug (which
VSCode claims was from a plugin) that crashed it while debugging (ironically) a
Lazarus app.
On Sat, Nov 23, 2019 at 5:04 PM Michael Van Canneyt via lazarus <
lazarus@lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote:
> This week in Be.Delphi, (and last week in DüsselDorf, Germany) TMS
> Software has unveiled
> a VS Code plugin: an Object Pascal RAD IDE.
>
what about this plugin:
Op 2019-11-24 om 22:35 schreef Luca Olivetti via lazarus:
Web only apps is not really my cup of tea. I
don't always work where there is good any any internet.
But you can run a custom web app on a local server, no internet needed.
Sure, basically when we did webapps we always had local
On 11/24/2019 1:35 PM, Luca Olivetti via lazarus wrote:
El 24/11/19 a les 19:47, Graeme Geldenhuys via lazarus ha escrit:
Web only apps is not really my cup of tea. I
don't always work where there is good any any internet.
But you can run a custom web app on a local server, no internet
El 24/11/19 a les 22:35, Luca Olivetti via lazarus ha escrit:
El 24/11/19 a les 19:47, Graeme Geldenhuys via lazarus ha escrit:
Web only apps is not really my cup of tea. I
don't always work where there is good any any internet.
But you can run a custom web app on a local server, no
El 24/11/19 a les 19:47, Graeme Geldenhuys via lazarus ha escrit:
Web only apps is not really my cup of tea. I
don't always work where there is good any any internet.
But you can run a custom web app on a local server, no internet needed.
I never wrote something like that, but I have some
On 24/11/2019 8:45 pm, Ralf Quint via lazarus wrote:
> be for a good part that I am used to the Borland (WS) keyboard mappings
> and the general editor behavior, after almost 40 years, those have
> become second nature (and are thoroughly missed whenever I have to use
> some other environment).
On 11/24/2019 10:47 AM, Graeme Geldenhuys via lazarus wrote:
On 23/11/2019 10:43 pm, Ralf Quint via lazarus wrote:
I personally loath VSCode just as much as VS itself (or XCode, for that
matter) or Eclipse.
I haven't really used VSCode, but as far as I understand, it's a editor,
not an IDE.
On 24/11/2019 11:23 am, Michael Van Canneyt via lazarus wrote:
> If the external tool implements it, you get it for free.
And if they don't decide to implement it, you don't get it at all. I
have filed quite a few Feature Request and Bug Reports for IntelliJ
IDEA. Many bugs were prompts fixed,
On 23/11/2019 10:26 pm, Michael Van Canneyt via lazarus wrote:
> I must say I am shocked to read you consider Lazarus "buggy and cumbersome".
> In my experience it's way better than Delphi as an object pascal IDE. I'm
> generally more productive in Lazarus than in Delphi, due to the superior
>
Am 2019-11-24 14:20, schrieb Dmitry Boyarintsev via lazarus:
> How are debugging capabilities in VS Code?
>
> thanks,
> Dmitry
For web development (JavaScript), good. For everything else it doesn't
come close to a real IDE.
As I said ... I can use VS Code for small stuff. The moment I have to
On Sun, 24 Nov 2019, Dmitry Boyarintsev via lazarus wrote:
How are debugging capabilities in VS Code?
For pas2js/TMS Web core, you can debug as it works in Lazarus.
It was demonstrated on the Be.Delphi event thursday.
For native apps, I have no idea. According to this:
How are debugging capabilities in VS Code?
thanks,
Dmitry
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Am 2019-11-23 11:12, schrieb Michael Van Canneyt via lazarus:
This will mean that soon, you'll be able to do full stack development
in VS
Code using object pascal. (or any other language, since VS Code is
language agnostic)
While VS Code is an impressive editor, it is still not an IDE. There
Am 24.11.19 um 12:45 schrieb Marco van de Voort via lazarus:
I really like a package I can just install and works, rather than
constantly messing with plugins that are never really it.
I think you vastly overestimate getting good quality VSCode plugins that
make it match Lazarus for basic
On Sun, 24 Nov 2019, Marco van de Voort via lazarus wrote:
If we had to set up a project today to copy functionality of all Atom
or VS Code plugins, I probably wouldn't live long enough to see that
project completed.
The problem is that if you now switch from Lazarus to vscode, with that
On Sun, 24 Nov 2019, Florian Klämpfl via lazarus wrote:
Am 24.11.19 um 12:23 schrieb Michael Van Canneyt via lazarus:
So that means it's a trade-off. Do you wish to spend your time fixing
broken
external dependencies, or do you wish to spend it implementing new things
yourself ?
Asking
Op 2019-11-24 om 12:23 schreef Michael Van Canneyt via lazarus:
That argument cuts both ways. If you need an improvement in your IDE
you need to do it yourself.
If the external tool implements it, you get it for free.
Oh dear. I thought you are now of the age that you no longer believe in
Am 24.11.19 um 12:23 schrieb Michael Van Canneyt via lazarus:
So that means it's a trade-off. Do you wish to spend your time fixing
broken
external dependencies, or do you wish to spend it implementing new things
yourself ?
Asking the question is answering it ;-)
History taught: the less
On Sun, 24 Nov 2019, Marco van de Voort via lazarus wrote:
Op 2019-11-24 om 11:35 schreef Florian Klämpfl via lazarus:
What really scares us is that all the mainstream OSes are becoming
so Web and mobile centric - the way M$ is rumbling I seriously
wonder if and how they?ll support any
On Sun, 24 Nov 2019, Florian Klämpfl via lazarus wrote:
Am 24.11.19 um 11:54 schrieb Michael Van Canneyt via lazarus:
The point is that Lazarus does not and cannot cover all aspects of a
typical
larger project.
No, but if I really need it, I can develop it easily myself because I
know
Op 2019-11-24 om 11:35 schreef Florian Klämpfl via lazarus:
What really scares us is that all the mainstream OSes are becoming
so Web and mobile centric - the way M$ is rumbling I seriously
wonder if and how theyll support any native development in the not
too distant future. Lazarus, with
Am 24.11.19 um 11:54 schrieb Michael Van Canneyt via lazarus:
The point is that Lazarus does not and cannot cover all aspects of a
typical
larger project.
No, but if I really need it, I can develop it easily myself because I
know Object Pascal. Even simple things like adding support for
On Sat, 23 Nov 2019, Daithi Haxton via lazarus wrote:
For my 2 cents, keep Lazarus as an independent, native code IDE. We do
instrumentation packages for manufacturing robots, and “the Web” is simply not
an option. Laz makes us at least 10x more productive than any other option (and
we’ve
On Sun, 24 Nov 2019, Florian Klämpfl via lazarus wrote:
Am 24.11.19 um 10:30 schrieb Bo Berglund via lazarus:
On Sat, 23 Nov 2019 18:50:07 -0500, Daithi Haxton via lazarus
wrote:
For my 2 cents, keep Lazarus as an independent, native code IDE. We do
instrumentation packages for
Am 24.11.19 um 10:30 schrieb Bo Berglund via lazarus:
On Sat, 23 Nov 2019 18:50:07 -0500, Daithi Haxton via lazarus
wrote:
For my 2 cents, keep Lazarus as an independent, native code IDE. We do
instrumentation packages for manufacturing robots, and the Web is simply not
an option. Laz
On Sun, 24 Nov 2019, Bo Berglund via lazarus wrote:
On Sat, 23 Nov 2019 18:50:07 -0500, Daithi Haxton via lazarus
wrote:
For my 2 cents, keep Lazarus as an independent, native code IDE. We do
instrumentation packages for manufacturing robots, and ?the Web? is simply not
an option. Laz
On Sat, 23 Nov 2019 18:50:07 -0500, Daithi Haxton via lazarus
wrote:
>For my 2 cents, keep Lazarus as an independent, native code IDE. We do
>instrumentation packages for manufacturing robots, and the Web is simply not
>an option. Laz makes us at least 10x more productive than any other
On 24/11/2019 00:41, Michael Van Canneyt via lazarus wrote:
On Sun, 24 Nov 2019, Werner Pamler via lazarus wrote:
Once having voted the current results are displayed. But when I want
to see later how the poll has evolved I can only vote again -- that's
probably not what you intend. Either add
For my 2 cents, keep Lazarus as an independent, native code IDE. We do
instrumentation packages for manufacturing robots, and “the Web” is simply not
an option. Laz makes us at least 10x more productive than any other option (and
we’ve tried other options - we still maintain code in C++ and C#
On Sun, 24 Nov 2019, Werner Pamler via lazarus wrote:
Once having voted the current results are displayed. But when I want to
see later how the poll has evolved I can only vote again -- that's
probably not what you intend. Either add a button to display the current
results, or don't display
El 23/11/19 a les 23:58, Michael Van Canneyt via lazarus ha escrit:
On Sat, 23 Nov 2019, Michael Van Canneyt via lazarus wrote:
On Sat, 23 Nov 2019, Werner Pamler via lazarus wrote:
I am missing the option "No change wanted towards this direction".
Without this option the poll is biased.
Once having voted the current results are displayed. But when I want to
see later how the poll has evolved I can only vote again -- that's
probably not what you intend. Either add a button to display the current
results, or don't display results at all until the poll has ended.
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Am 24.11.19 um 00:02 schrieb Ryan Joseph via lazarus:
On Nov 23, 2019, at 5:43 PM, Ralf Quint via lazarus
wrote:
I personally loath VSCode just as much as VS itself (or XCode, for that matter) or
Eclipse. The appeal of Lazarus for me is that it even "feels" Pascal, not just
a tool that
> On Nov 23, 2019, at 5:43 PM, Ralf Quint via lazarus
> wrote:
>
> I personally loath VSCode just as much as VS itself (or XCode, for that
> matter) or Eclipse. The appeal of Lazarus for me is that it even "feels"
> Pascal, not just a tool that happens to support ObjectPascal, but just as a
On Sat, 23 Nov 2019, Michael Van Canneyt via lazarus wrote:
On Sat, 23 Nov 2019, Werner Pamler via lazarus wrote:
I am missing the option "No change wanted towards this direction".
Without this option the poll is biased.
That is the first option: Remain an independent IDE.
Having an
On Sat, 23 Nov 2019, Ryan Joseph via lazarus wrote:
On Nov 23, 2019, at 5:26 PM, Michael Van Canneyt via lazarus
wrote:
The IDE. That implies the API/Widgets.
One of the reasons like Lazarus is because it's native right? I use
VSCode for the debugger but I don't like it's a slow and
On Sat, 23 Nov 2019, Werner Pamler via lazarus wrote:
I am missing the option "No change wanted towards this direction".
Without this option the poll is biased.
That is the first option: Remain an independent IDE.
Having an optional way to edit HTML in a rad way would simply be a plugin.
> I am missing the option "No change wanted towards this direction".
> Without this option the poll is biased.
this is my humble opinion, too
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I am missing the option "No change wanted towards this direction".
Without this option the poll is biased.
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Well, for me, "the web" is not a viable (sole) option. I still have a
lot of use cases where standalone apps on various platforms are a much
better option. Trying to shoehorn a web based app on each and every use
case just doesn't make sense.
Yes, Lazarus isn't "perfect", but for the most
> On Nov 23, 2019, at 5:26 PM, Michael Van Canneyt via lazarus
> wrote:
>
> The IDE. That implies the API/Widgets.
One of the reasons like Lazarus is because it's native right? I use VSCode for
the debugger but I don't like it's a slow and mushy feeling web app. Native is
not compatible
On Sat, 23 Nov 2019, Ryan Joseph via lazarus wrote:
On Nov 23, 2019, at 5:12 AM, Michael Van Canneyt via lazarus
wrote:
This will mean that soon, you'll be able to do full stack development in VS
Code using object pascal. (or any other language, since VS Code is language
agnostic)
> On Nov 23, 2019, at 5:12 AM, Michael Van Canneyt via lazarus
> wrote:
>
> This will mean that soon, you'll be able to do full stack development in VS
> Code using object pascal. (or any other language, since VS Code is language
> agnostic)
>
> This has raised the question whether a
Hello,
I would like to announce a small poll.
Context:
Web (runtime) applications are abundant.
At my company, desktop is only considered as a last resource (but use cases
vary, obviously).
Today, you perfectly can program the web (browser) using FPC's pas2js.
Using pas2js it is also
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