Re: [Lazarus] How to use strings properly with fixes_1_6 and FPC 3.0.0?

On 10/30/2016 06:15 PM, Lars wrote: Off topic, off list, but.. -- TRUTH in her dress finds facts too tight. In fiction she moves with ease. Stray Birds by Rabindranath Tagore What does this mean? Something about this: http://www.the-niceguy.com/articles/Nutballs.html The only thing I can

Re: [Lazarus] How to use strings properly with fixes_1_6 and FPC 3.0.0?

On 10/22/2016 06:25 AM, Juha Manninen via Lazarus wrote: On Sat, Oct 22, 2016 at 4:12 AM, Martin Frb via Lazarus wrote: Which ones does it not support? When I added it to SynEdit it was complete. It had all the combinings that the utf8 standard had back then. (at

Re: [Lazarus] How to use strings properly with fixes_1_6 and FPC 3.0.0?

On 24.10.2016 15:09, Mattias Gaertner via Lazarus wrote: These functions exist. This of course is great (while the lack of documentation supposedly makes them hard to use). In fact I am not asking, but the question is part of the OP's problem. And here I wanted to point out the ambiguity of

Re: [Lazarus] How to use strings properly with fixes_1_6 and FPC 3.0.0?

On Mon, 24 Oct 2016 14:35:28 +0200 Michael Schnell wrote: >[...] but even trying to find out a very short information is identical is not decently possible. >[...] > I meant to point out exactly this ambiguity: > > identically coded vs. identically looking (e.g. combining

Re: [Lazarus] How to use strings properly with fixes_1_6 and FPC 3.0.0?

On 24.10.2016 13:34, Mattias Gaertner via Lazarus wrote: That depends on what you mean with "identical". You are absolutely right. Very sorry for being critical while being vague myself (again typing faster than thinking) ;) . I meant to point out exactly this ambiguity: identically coded

Re: [Lazarus] How to use strings properly with fixes_1_6 and FPC 3.0.0?

On 23.10.2016 11:31, Jürgen Hestermann via Lazarus wrote: But Unicode should have cared. It was made for its use on computers. I don't think so. I suppose it was defined top allow for printing out digital documents in mind, but not with working with them. At least this i what the outcome

Re: [Lazarus] How to use strings properly with fixes_1_6 and FPC 3.0.0?

On 21.10.2016 12:05, Gabor Boros via Lazarus wrote: 2016. 10. 21. 10:25 keltezéssel, Juha Manninen via Lazarus írta: * Please read the wiki page ... I read, I read but if contains buggy example... ;-) I need a quick and a rock solid solution. AFAIK, the only decent advice is never to use

Re: [Lazarus] How to use strings properly with fixes_1_6 and FPC 3.0.0?

On Sun, 23 Oct 2016 11:31:00 +0200 Jürgen Hestermann via Lazarus wrote: > Am 2016-10-22 um 22:38 schrieb Mattias Gaertner via Lazarus: > > Languages don't care about programmers. > > True. > But Unicode should have cared. > It was made for its use on computers.

Re: [Lazarus] How to use strings properly with fixes_1_6 and FPC 3.0.0?

Am 2016-10-22 um 22:38 schrieb Mattias Gaertner via Lazarus: > Languages don't care about programmers. True. But Unicode should have cared. It was made for its use on computers. Pressing each and every language peculiarity into Unicode was a mistake and made Unicode so hard to use. --

Re: [Lazarus] How to use strings properly with fixes_1_6 and FPC 3.0.0?

On Sat, 22 Oct 2016 13:25:30 +0300 Juha Manninen via Lazarus wrote: >[...] > I guess the biggest complexity is in glyphs and ligatures. I still > don't understand their details. There is nothing to understand. Some languages have irregular letters. Same as English

Re: [Lazarus] How to use strings properly with fixes_1_6 and FPC 3.0.0?

On Sat, 22 Oct 2016 12:13:04 +0200 Jürgen Hestermann via Lazarus wrote: > Am 2016-10-22 um 10:53 schrieb Mattias Gaertner via Lazarus: > > Maybe you mean ligatures? Many languages have them, even German: > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typographic_ligature >

Re: [Lazarus] How to use strings properly with fixes_1_6 and FPC 3.0.0?

On Sat, Oct 22, 2016 at 1:13 PM, Jürgen Hestermann via Lazarus wrote: > So ligatures should not influence string encoding in FPC. > Or am I missing something here? I guess it matters for a text layout software. It should not separate the two characters forming a

Re: [Lazarus] How to use strings properly with fixes_1_6 and FPC 3.0.0?

On Sat, Oct 22, 2016 at 4:12 AM, Martin Frb via Lazarus wrote: > Which ones does it not support? > When I added it to SynEdit it was complete. It had all the combinings that > the utf8 standard had back then. (at least that I could find in the > documentation) > >

Re: [Lazarus] How to use strings properly with fixes_1_6 and FPC 3.0.0?

Am 2016-10-22 um 10:53 schrieb Mattias Gaertner via Lazarus: > Maybe you mean ligatures? Many languages have them, even German: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typographic_ligature I thought that ligatures are just a matter of the font but not the unicode representation? When I write a text

Re: [Lazarus] How to use strings properly with fixes_1_6 and FPC 3.0.0?

On Sat, 22 Oct 2016 02:12:34 +0100 Martin Frb via Lazarus wrote: >[...] > It is my understanding (but I do not know for sure) that in some > languages (such as Arabic) certain letter combinations form a single > glyph (afaik/google see

Re: [Lazarus] How to use strings properly with fixes_1_6 and FPC 3.0.0?

On 21/10/2016 22:16, Juha Manninen via Lazarus wrote: UTF-16. It does not support all the complex rules of combining CodePoints, but it apparently works well for accented characters in western languages. Which ones does it not support? When I added it to SynEdit it was complete. It had all

Re: [Lazarus] How to use strings properly with fixes_1_6 and FPC 3.0.0?

On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 2:26 PM, Juha Manninen wrote: > No, neither FPC nor Lazarus have library code to deal with [combined > CodePoints] yet. > The goal is to have an enumerator for user perceived characters, just > like LazUnicode unit has for encoding agnostic

Re: [Lazarus] How to use strings properly with fixes_1_6 and FPC 3.0.0?

On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 5:08 PM, Jürgen Hestermann via Lazarus wrote: > And again we are at the point where you need to understand what goes on > under the hood... ;-) Yes but that is true with any programming. I am truly happy that we have Unicode instead of the

Re: [Lazarus] How to use strings properly with fixes_1_6 and FPC 3.0.0?

Am 2016-10-21 um 13:23 schrieb Gabor Boros via Lazarus: > I will know if somebody describe what a difference between á and an á characters in two points of my program. The problem is, that Unicode has a code point for "á" but also allows to compose this characters by having an "a" and an "´"

Re: [Lazarus] How to use strings properly with fixes_1_6 and FPC 3.0.0?

2016. 10. 21. 12:38 keltezéssel, Juha Manninen via Lazarus írta: for i:=1 to UTF8Length(s) do Write(UTF8Copy(s,i,1)) No, it not a good solution! I predict that most your code can still use byte indexing. At some point you will get a Heureka-moment like "hey, I don't need the codepoint index

Re: [Lazarus] How to use strings properly with fixes_1_6 and FPC 3.0.0?

On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 2:13 PM, Gabor Boros via Lazarus wrote: > Same FCP same Lazarus. Why is there a difference in the result? You still did not read the wiki page: http://wiki.freepascal.org/Better_Unicode_Support_in_Lazarus Console programs are mentioned in

Re: [Lazarus] How to use strings properly with fixes_1_6 and FPC 3.0.0?

On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 12:51 PM, Lars via Lazarus wrote: > Indeed this is a serious problem these days, unicode.. which is almost a > virus. > In GoLang they use something called "Runes" to try and solve the problem. I had to search about what "runes" in GoLang

Re: [Lazarus] How to use strings properly with fixes_1_6 and FPC 3.0.0?

2016. 10. 21. 12:48 keltezéssel, Jürgen Hestermann via Lazarus írta: If you realy need the character position/length, then you have to use UTF8Length/UTF8Copy/etc. But as said: It is only needed in special circumstances. Still you have to know when to use what. I will know if somebody describe

Re: [Lazarus] How to use strings properly with fixes_1_6 and FPC 3.0.0?

On Fri, October 21, 2016 1:03 am, Gabor Boros via Lazarus wrote: > Hi All, > > > In the past I used Length, Pos, Delete, for i:=1 to Length(s) do s[i]... > and realized yesterday these practices are wrong. But I do not know what > the right practice. Indeed this is a serious problem these days,

Re: [Lazarus] How to use strings properly with fixes_1_6 and FPC 3.0.0?

On Fri, 21 Oct 2016 11:29:36 +0200 Gabor Boros via Lazarus wrote: > 2016. 10. 21. 10:24 keltezéssel, Juha Manninen via Lazarus írta: > > A "character" in Unicode is an ambiguous term. > > Often the good old byte (codeunit) access is very useful. > > See: > >