Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus for writing 3D Desktop Environment/Window manager for Linux?
On 24/06/2021 1:52 pm, Chavoux Luyt via lazarus wrote: > The idea is a "game-like" first-person shooter interface where > instead of a desktop with various virtual desktops or a start menu, you > have a house (or a castle or whatever) in which you move, open different > doors with different rooms, If I recall correctly, something like this was already done back in the late 90's, early 2000's by SUN using Java. I believe it was called Project Looking Glass. Just searched the internet, and found this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Looking_Glass I remember playing with it, flipping a web browser window and making notes on the back of it. It also had some virtual file manager etc. It was all WAY ahead of it's time. No idea why it got canned though. As for if FPC + Lazarus is up for the task Definitely! The modern OpenGL is pretty straight forward to use. There are plenty of binding you can use. There are also some nice Game Programming tutorials on YouTube where they even show how to write your our "game engine" of sorts. They use Java or C programming languages, but the core of OpenGL usage is exactly the same, no matter the programming language you use. Regards, Graeme -- fpGUI Toolkit - a cross-platform GUI toolkit using Free Pascal http://fpgui.sourceforge.net/ My public PGP key: http://tinyurl.com/graeme-pgp -- ___ lazarus mailing list lazarus@lists.lazarus-ide.org https://lists.lazarus-ide.org/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus for writing 3D Desktop Environment/Window manager for Linux?
Chavoux Luyt via lazarus schrieb am Do., 24. Juni 2021, 14:53: > (although it would have been nice if Lazarus could add packages like > Delphi without needing to recompile the whole IDE - compile the package to > a .dll or .so and simply link into it from the IDE?). > Simply using ordinary libraries would fall spectacularly short of what you desire. The package system as known from Delphi allows the metadata of types to be shared between binary modules, something that you *can't* do with libraries. If it would be that easy it would have been done already. Instead that functionality requires intensive support by both the compiler and the RTL. We are on our way there, but we aren't there yet. Sooner or later that will come in Lazarus as well. Regards, Sven > -- ___ lazarus mailing list lazarus@lists.lazarus-ide.org https://lists.lazarus-ide.org/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus for writing 3D Desktop Environment/Window manager for Linux?
On 2021/06/24 14:52, Chavoux Luyt via lazarus wrote: Questions: 1. Is it possible to write a 3D desktop environment (with similar functionality to KDE/Gnome) in Lazarus? 2. Is Lazarus a good tool for writing such a desktop environment? Why/why not? 3. Are there better alternatives that can use OpenGL (or a game engine using OpenGL) that can be used for writing such a Desktop Environment (if Lazarus is not a good tool)? 4. I have installed (but never used) Castle Game Engine (using aptitude... but I don't see it in Lazarus). Does anyone here have experience using it? Could it be used as the basis of writing a 3D "desktop environment"? 5. Is there anybody on the list that would be interested in helping to write this as a new type of user OS GUI for Linux? Maybe as the start of a future GSoC project? It's certainly possible. I used to play with this long ago when they made a 3D desktop on WIndows 98 still - was called 3DNA and the link below here is a recent review of it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-0WZJrISYc It looks simplistic by today's standards but it was much better than wat the 3D bob thing on the windows store tries to do (which I also tried and hated). You may get a good few ideas for how a 3D space could be less finicky and more useable. Unfortunately my hands are a bit full to devote much time to it, but wouldn't mind chipping in some and most certainly would be a user/tester. Good luck with it! -- ___ lazarus mailing list lazarus@lists.lazarus-ide.org https://lists.lazarus-ide.org/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus for writing 3D Desktop Environment/Window manager for Linux?
On Thu, 24 Jun 2021, Chavoux Luyt via lazarus wrote: Hi Background: I have played a bit with Lazarus over the years, but have never used it to write any big or commercial projects (I have used both older versions of Delphi, C++ Builder and Visual Studio with C# for that). However, it seems to me as if modern Lazarus has everything and more than Delphi (although it would have been nice if Lazarus could add packages like Delphi without needing to recompile the whole IDE - compile the package to a .dll or .so and simply link into it from the IDE?). KDE (Plasma), XFCE and Fluxbox (MX Linux versions) are my current favourite desktop environments, but I am feeling increasingly frustrated with especially the larger desktop environments (including Windows 10) and want to replace it with an interface that makes use of the 3D capabilities of most (all?) modern computers. The idea is a "game-like" first-person shooter interface where instead of a desktop with various virtual desktops or a start menu, you have a house (or a castle or whatever) in which you move, open different doors with different rooms, like e.g. an office (where all your typical office programs (and files in filing cabinet) would be stored, a entertainment room (with your music and video software and files), etc. This interface will also be more future-proof than the current desktop metaphor, allowing for e.g. virtual reality displays instead of a screen as your computer-human interface. I really like object Pascal as a language (and Lazarus in particular)... Questions: 1. Is it possible to write a 3D desktop environment (with similar functionality to KDE/Gnome) in Lazarus? 2. Is Lazarus a good tool for writing such a desktop environment? Why/why not? 3. Are there better alternatives that can use OpenGL (or a game engine using OpenGL) that can be used for writing such a Desktop Environment (if Lazarus is not a good tool)? 4. I have installed (but never used) Castle Game Engine (using aptitude... but I don't see it in Lazarus). Does anyone here have experience using it? Could it be used as the basis of writing a 3D "desktop environment"? I think the castle game engine is your best shot at achieving success with this project. Michael. -- ___ lazarus mailing list lazarus@lists.lazarus-ide.org https://lists.lazarus-ide.org/listinfo/lazarus
[Lazarus] Lazarus for writing 3D Desktop Environment/Window manager for Linux?
Hi Background: I have played a bit with Lazarus over the years, but have never used it to write any big or commercial projects (I have used both older versions of Delphi, C++ Builder and Visual Studio with C# for that). However, it seems to me as if modern Lazarus has everything and more than Delphi (although it would have been nice if Lazarus could add packages like Delphi without needing to recompile the whole IDE - compile the package to a .dll or .so and simply link into it from the IDE?). KDE (Plasma), XFCE and Fluxbox (MX Linux versions) are my current favourite desktop environments, but I am feeling increasingly frustrated with especially the larger desktop environments (including Windows 10) and want to replace it with an interface that makes use of the 3D capabilities of most (all?) modern computers. The idea is a "game-like" first-person shooter interface where instead of a desktop with various virtual desktops or a start menu, you have a house (or a castle or whatever) in which you move, open different doors with different rooms, like e.g. an office (where all your typical office programs (and files in filing cabinet) would be stored, a entertainment room (with your music and video software and files), etc. This interface will also be more future-proof than the current desktop metaphor, allowing for e.g. virtual reality displays instead of a screen as your computer-human interface. I really like object Pascal as a language (and Lazarus in particular)... Questions: 1. Is it possible to write a 3D desktop environment (with similar functionality to KDE/Gnome) in Lazarus? 2. Is Lazarus a good tool for writing such a desktop environment? Why/why not? 3. Are there better alternatives that can use OpenGL (or a game engine using OpenGL) that can be used for writing such a Desktop Environment (if Lazarus is not a good tool)? 4. I have installed (but never used) Castle Game Engine (using aptitude... but I don't see it in Lazarus). Does anyone here have experience using it? Could it be used as the basis of writing a 3D "desktop environment"? 5. Is there anybody on the list that would be interested in helping to write this as a new type of user OS GUI for Linux? Maybe as the start of a future GSoC project? Cheers, Chavoux -- ___ lazarus mailing list lazarus@lists.lazarus-ide.org https://lists.lazarus-ide.org/listinfo/lazarus
