Re: [Lazarus] Compile and Build menu entries, Run- or Project-menu?

2011-06-25 Thread Juha Manninen
2011/6/24 waldo kitty wkitt...@windstream.net as for the menu layout, i don't have an opinion, really... i'm still in the process of learning the layout, the whole entire new paradigm of GUI stuffs, and what i cannot do that i used to do all the time in TP ;) What exactly could you do in TP

Re: [Lazarus] Compile and Build menu entries, Run- or Project-menu?

2011-06-24 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 06/23/2011 06:49 PM, Jesus Reyes wrote: For me Run is the menu where Compile commands are. Menus are most of time accessed by mouse, and for that Run commands on main toolbar are accessed quickly, but there are no Compile commands on toolbar (hint). HINT: It has been possible for many

Re: [Lazarus] Compile and Build menu entries, Run- or Project-menu?

2011-06-24 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 06/23/2011 07:11 PM, Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho wrote: Some projects cannot be run by the IDE (libraries, fpwm, android apps). Add to that list... console apps, web/cgi apps etc. Regards, - Graeme - -- fpGUI Toolkit - a cross-platform GUI toolkit using Free Pascal

Re: [Lazarus] Compile and Build menu entries, Run- or Project-menu?

2011-06-24 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 06/24/2011 12:58 AM, Hans-Peter Diettrich wrote: For the visual representation of menus a *horizontal* TreeView would be nice. I doubt that such an Orientation feature already exists, but it If I understood you correctly, then that already exists in the editor toolbar add-on. My

Re: [Lazarus] Compile and Build menu entries, Run- or Project-menu?

2011-06-24 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 06/23/2011 08:51 PM, Juha Manninen wrote: And true, I also used Ctrl-F9 in Delphi for locating syntax errors, even when I knew the code had them. With Lazarus + FPC compilation is slower and I don't use it like that. Try Quick Compile instead. It removes the linking part, so goes a bit

Re: [Lazarus] Compile and Build menu entries, Run- or Project-menu?

2011-06-24 Thread waldo kitty
On 6/23/2011 10:21, michael.vancann...@wisa.be wrote: On Thu, 23 Jun 2011, Juha Manninen wrote: This one is a matter of opinion and habbit. I like the new order because I never use Build myself. I hit Run and the project is built automatically. Why would someone want to build a project without

Re: [Lazarus] Compile and Build menu entries, Run- or Project-menu?

2011-06-23 Thread michael . vancanneyt
On Thu, 23 Jun 2011, Juha Manninen wrote: Hi I knew I would get in trouble when I started to change the menu structure. In some places the structure was clearly wrong but in some others it is a matter of opinion and habbit. This one is a matter of opinion and habbit. I like the new order

Re: [Lazarus] Compile and Build menu entries, Run- or Project-menu?

2011-06-23 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 06/23/2011 03:46 PM, Juha Manninen wrote: Why would someone want to build a project without running it? Running is the ultimate goal, right? Sorry mate, I can count on my one hand how many times I have clicked Run this year. I *always* Compile or Build (latter being necessary if Lazarus or

Re: [Lazarus] Compile and Build menu entries, Run- or Project-menu?

2011-06-23 Thread Jesus Reyes
--- El jue 23-jun-11, zeljko zel...@holobit.net escribió: De: zeljko zel...@holobit.net Asunto: Re: [Lazarus] Compile and Build menu entries, Run- or Project-menu? A: Lazarus mailing list lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org Fecha: jueves, 23 de junio de 2011, 11:02 #yiv1518935690 p

Re: [Lazarus] Compile and Build menu entries, Run- or Project-menu?

2011-06-23 Thread Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho
2011/6/23 Juha Manninen juha.mannine...@gmail.com: This one is a matter of opinion and habbit. I like the new order because I never use Build myself. I hit Run and the project is built automatically. Why would someone want to build a project without running it? Running is the ultimate goal,

Re: [Lazarus] Compile and Build menu entries, Run- or Project-menu?

2011-06-23 Thread Bart
On 6/23/11, Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho felipemonteiro.carva...@gmail.com wrote: I use it as a syntax checker. Some projects cannot be run by the IDE (libraries, fpwm, android apps). Some projects I prefer to debug in the console. etc +1 What shall I do with this ? Some people like the

Re: [Lazarus] Compile and Build menu entries, Run- or Project-menu?

2011-06-23 Thread Juha Manninen
2011/6/23 Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho felipemonteiro.carva...@gmail.com I use it as a syntax checker. Some projects cannot be run by the IDE (libraries, fpwm, android apps). Some projects I prefer to debug in the console. etc What shall I do with this ? Some people like the change and some

Re: [Lazarus] Compile and Build menu entries, Run- or Project-menu?

2011-06-23 Thread Jesus Reyes
--- El jue 23-jun-11, Hans-Peter Diettrich drdiettri...@aol.com escribió: I like the new order because I never use Build myself. I hit Run and the project is built automatically. Why would someone want to build a project without running it? A clean build can fix errors caused by

Re: [Lazarus] Compile and Build menu entries, Run- or Project-menu?

2011-06-22 Thread zeljko
On Tuesday 21 of June 2011 16:57:44 Bart wrote: Please leave Compile as the first entry in the Run menu. I use it far more often than Run and I'm used ti it's location. (Ctrl-F9 is reserved by my windowmanager (?) in Linux, so I can't use it instead). That change makes me crazy (Run as

Re: [Lazarus] Compile and Build menu entries, Run- or Project-menu?

2011-06-22 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 06/21/2011 10:16 PM, David Copeland wrote: Would you happen to know how in KDE4 (suse 11.4) one would do this? I can't find it to save my life g. I don't really use KDE, but I had OpenSUSE 11.3 setup inside a vm session, so I took a quick look. Follow these steps: 1. Click Start button

Re: [Lazarus] Compile and Build menu entries, Run- or Project-menu?

2011-06-22 Thread Bart
On 6/21/11, Sven Barth pascaldra...@googlemail.com wrote: On 21.06.2011 20:26, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: [about changing keybindings for my WM] And if that doesn't help you can change the bindings for Compile in Lazarus as well. Oh, please no! It took me 1 year to adjust to the changes from

Re: [Lazarus] Compile and Build menu entries, Run- or Project-menu?

2011-06-21 Thread Juha Manninen
2011/6/21 Jesus Reyes jesus...@yahoo.com.mx IMO Then we need to define clearly what is our goal, are we (by default) trying to replicate delphi menu layout?, if yes then we can talk about compatibility and lets change the whole layout once for all so we can start getting used to it, if not,

Re: [Lazarus] Compile and Build menu entries, Run- or Project-menu?

2011-06-21 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 20/06/2011 13:45, Michael van Canneyt wrote: No, please keep them in 'Run'. This is delphi compatible. I agree with your first part. We are creatures of habit. Most of us know exactly where the menu items are, due to years of Lazarus IDE usage. Changing them in a major way will be very

Re: [Lazarus] Compile and Build menu entries, Run- or Project-menu?

2011-06-21 Thread michael . vancanneyt
On Tue, 21 Jun 2011, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: On 20/06/2011 13:45, Michael van Canneyt wrote: No, please keep them in 'Run'. This is delphi compatible. I agree with your first part. We are creatures of habit. Most of us know exactly where the menu items are, due to years of Lazarus IDE

Re: [Lazarus] Compile and Build menu entries, Run- or Project-menu?

2011-06-21 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 21/06/2011 10:26, michael.vancann...@wisa.be wrote: No, but the user coming from Delphi (and this is by far the largest part) will look there first. [rant] That comes with the territory - Lazarus Delphi. Things are going to be different, no matter how much you wish it wouldn't! If at ANY

Re: [Lazarus] Compile and Build menu entries, Run- or Project-menu?

2011-06-21 Thread michael . vancanneyt
On Tue, 21 Jun 2011, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: On 21/06/2011 10:26, michael.vancann...@wisa.be wrote: No, but the user coming from Delphi (and this is by far the largest part) will look there first. [rant] [snip] [/rant] Getting back to the point... If somebody can justify why

Re: [Lazarus] Compile and Build menu entries, Run- or Project-menu?

2011-06-21 Thread Bart
Please leave Compile as the first entry in the Run menu. I use it far more often than Run and I'm used ti it's location. (Ctrl-F9 is reserved by my windowmanager (?) in Linux, so I can't use it instead). Bart On 6/21/11, michael.vancann...@wisa.be michael.vancann...@wisa.be wrote: On Tue, 21

Re: [Lazarus] Compile and Build menu entries, Run- or Project-menu?

2011-06-21 Thread Marco van de Voort
On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 10:04:54AM +0200, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: On 20/06/2011 13:45, Michael van Canneyt wrote: No, please keep them in 'Run'. This is delphi compatible. I agree with your first part. We are creatures of habit. Most of us know exactly where the menu items are, due to

Re: [Lazarus] Compile and Build menu entries, Run- or Project-menu?

2011-06-20 Thread Bart
I would not put them in Project menu. The items in Project are (mostly) about managing the project. One could move all build/compile items to a new Build menu and in the Run menu leave all items related to Run (trace, step etc.) (FWIW: My old Delphi (D3 Pro) has Compile in the Run menu.) Just

Re: [Lazarus] Compile and Build menu entries, Run- or Project-menu?

2011-06-20 Thread michael . vancanneyt
On Mon, 20 Jun 2011, Juha Manninen wrote: I changed the Run menu item order based on issue: 19580: The run menu does not have run as first entry I would need your opinions about if Compile and Build menu entries should be moved from Run- to Project-menu. No, please keep them in 'Run'. This

Re: [Lazarus] Compile and Build menu entries, Run- or Project-menu?

2011-06-20 Thread Mattias Gaertner
On Mon, 20 Jun 2011 13:45:08 +0200 (CEST) michael.vancann...@wisa.be wrote: On Mon, 20 Jun 2011, Juha Manninen wrote: I changed the Run menu item order based on issue: 19580: The run menu does not have run as first entry I would need your opinions about if Compile and Build menu

Re: [Lazarus] Compile and Build menu entries, Run- or Project-menu?

2011-06-20 Thread michael . vancanneyt
On Mon, 20 Jun 2011, Mattias Gaertner wrote: On Mon, 20 Jun 2011 13:45:08 +0200 (CEST) michael.vancann...@wisa.be wrote: On Mon, 20 Jun 2011, Juha Manninen wrote: I changed the Run menu item order based on issue: 19580: The run menu does not have run as first entry I would need your

Re: [Lazarus] Compile and Build menu entries, Run- or Project-menu?

2011-06-20 Thread Jesus Reyes
--- El lun 20-jun-11, michael.vancann...@wisa.be On Mon, 20 Jun 2011, Mattias Gaertner wrote: On Mon, 20 Jun 2011 13:45:08 +0200 (CEST) michael.vancann...@wisa.be wrote: On Mon, 20 Jun 2011, Juha Manninen wrote: I changed the Run menu item order based on issue: 19580: The run menu