Re: [Lazarus] FCL-web and bandwidth usage

2012-03-28 Thread Sven Barth
Am 27.03.2012 22:25, schrieb Graeme Geldenhuys: Wait till they ask for integration with Google docs and Microsoft Live. (or office 365). Yeah, my boss was all for Google docs too, until we had an ISP outage! Oops. Suddenly the whole cloud computing thing became a do not go there sign. Not to

Re: [Lazarus] FCL-web and bandwidth usage

2012-03-28 Thread Andrew Brunner
Am 27.03.2012 22:25, schrieb Graeme Geldenhuys: Wait till they ask for integration with Google docs and Microsoft Live. (or office 365). Yeah, my boss was all for Google docs too, until we had an ISP outage! Oops. Suddenly the whole cloud computing thing became a do not go there sign.

Re: [Lazarus] FCL-web and bandwidth usage

2012-03-28 Thread Lukasz Sokol
On 28/03/2012 14:12, Andrew Brunner wrote: I agree. I never understood how public services could even be allowed to place work product in the hands of Google or Microsoft. These two search engine companies make BILLIONS from information brokering. Data is king (to them) and money just

Re: [Lazarus] FCL-web and bandwidth usage

2012-03-28 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 28 March 2012 15:26, Lukasz Sokol el.es.cr@... wrote: Semi-rebuttal (as I'm not a fan of The Cloud either) - they store the data in secured datacenters, and probably encrypted too, for storage AND access. They have redundant power, internet links, infrastructure, dedicated to-the-case

Re: [Lazarus] FCL-web and bandwidth usage

2012-03-27 Thread michael . vancanneyt
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: Hi, This is probably one of the big reasons I dislike (hate is a bit harsh) the current state of the internet - it's all a bandwidth hog forcing everything to be slow. And seeing that just about every second website is a near web application

Re: [Lazarus] FCL-web and bandwidth usage

2012-03-27 Thread Andrew Brunner
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 4:13 AM, Graeme Geldenhuys graemeg.li...@gmail.com So has anybody done some bandwidth breakdowns of there FCL-web based websites or web applications? How do you fare? I have an entire cloud platform developed in FPC/Lazarus and studied my framework and the impact

Re: [Lazarus] FCL-web and bandwidth usage

2012-03-27 Thread michael . vancanneyt
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012, Andrew Brunner wrote: On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 4:13 AM, Graeme Geldenhuys graemeg.li...@gmail.com So has anybody done some bandwidth breakdowns of there FCL-web based websites or web applications? How do you fare? I have an entire cloud platform developed in

Re: [Lazarus] FCL-web and bandwidth usage

2012-03-27 Thread Jürgen Hestermann
Graeme Geldenhuys schrieb: So next time, don't just blindly throw in various JavaScript frameworks to make your web app or website look good. Think about the bandwidth being used per loaded page too. It's not only bandwith. I only use Firefox with NoScript addon which prevents my browser

Re: [Lazarus] FCL-web and bandwidth usage

2012-03-27 Thread Michael Van Canneyt
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012, Jürgen Hestermann wrote: michael.vancann...@wisa.be schrieb: Javascript is not something you can avoid. People have come to expect a certain functionality from a website, which can only be delivered with Javasvript. If you don't provide it, your product will not sell.

Re: [Lazarus] FCL-web and bandwidth usage

2012-03-27 Thread Mark Morgan Lloyd
Jürgen Hestermann wrote: michael.vancann...@wisa.be schrieb: Javascript is not something you can avoid. People have come to expect a certain functionality from a website, which can only be delivered with Javasvript. If you don't provide it, your product will not sell. It's as simple as

Re: [Lazarus] FCL-web and bandwidth usage

2012-03-27 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
2012/3/27 Michael Van Canneyt michael@...: These applications must behave and act as a desktop application, this is a requirement. This is not possible without Javascript. Then you may ask, why not simply program a desktop application ? LOL, you took the words (or rather question) right out

Re: [Lazarus] FCL-web and bandwidth usage

2012-03-27 Thread Michael Van Canneyt
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: 2012/3/27 Michael Van Canneyt michael@...: These applications must behave and act as a desktop application, this is a requirement. This is not possible without Javascript. Then you may ask, why not simply program a desktop application ? LOL,

Re: [Lazarus] FCL-web and bandwidth usage

2012-03-27 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 27 March 2012 21:54, Michael Van Canneyt michael@ wrote: 1. We use client/server technology.   Meaning that sometimes, the server says 'update NOW', whether client is ready for it or not. That's when you slip them the silent update version, which updates before the app launches (no

Re: [Lazarus] FCL-web and bandwidth usage

2012-03-27 Thread ABorka
michael.vancann...@wisa.be schrieb: Javascript is not something you can avoid. People have come to expect a certain functionality from a website, which can only be delivered with Javasvript. If you don't provide it, your product will not sell. It's as simple as that. I doubt that. Just the

Re: [Lazarus] FCL-web and bandwidth usage

2012-03-27 Thread Andrew Brunner
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 3:55 PM, Graeme Geldenhuys graemeg.li...@gmail.comwrote: Personally I still think Java applets (or Java apps launched via the web) are way better than web apps. They can be cached locally for quick launches in the future, way more responsive, full featured with the

Re: [Lazarus] FCL-web and bandwidth usage

2012-03-27 Thread Michael Van Canneyt
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012, ABorka wrote: michael.vancann...@wisa.be schrieb: If it was not for that small detail, I would not touch web programming with a long stick. No set standards, different and ever-changing browsers, a language that sucks big time. But alas... Michael. ...And it does