Re: [Lazarus] Is there a separate mailing list for Lazarus developers?

2014-01-08 Thread Lukasz Sokol
On 07/01/14 23:16, Juha Manninen wrote: On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Lukasz Sokol el.es...@gmail.com wrote: ...well here I disagree - go see [briefly] https://lwn.net - (one of) their editors (semi)regularly posts interesting topics dug out on lkml. That's 1000s% more press coverage

Re: [Lazarus] Is there a separate mailing list for Lazarus developers?

2014-01-07 Thread Lukasz Sokol
On 06/01/14 22:33, Juha Manninen wrote: On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 7:17 PM, Lukasz Sokol el.es...@gmail.com wrote: [...] I think it all works well together with mailing lists and forum. OK I agree; Only PR is almost missing. Linux kernel and other major commercially backed projects get much more

Re: [Lazarus] Is there a separate mailing list for Lazarus developers?

2014-01-07 Thread Michael Schnell
On 01/05/2014 02:44 AM, Bart wrote: such as the everlasting Unicode debates, I feel that main causes of these debates are (1) that the definitions in DXE are not nice (at least completely ignoring any portability issues), but fpc/Lazarus is forced to follow rather closely whatever Delphi

Re: [Lazarus] Is there a separate mailing list for Lazarus developers?

2014-01-07 Thread Juha Manninen
On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 1:07 PM, Michael Schnell mschn...@lumino.de wrote: [...] that Lazarus only can use what fpc offers and thus Unicode awareness was implemented before fpc provided Unicode-Delphi compatible Strings, resulting in incompatibility in multiple directions. Don't hijack this

Re: [Lazarus] Is there a separate mailing list for Lazarus developers?

2014-01-07 Thread Juha Manninen
On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Lukasz Sokol el.es...@gmail.com wrote: ...well here I disagree - go see [briefly] https://lwn.net - (one of) their editors (semi)regularly posts interesting topics dug out on lkml. That's 1000s% more press coverage than I've ever seen on FPC/Laz. PR gain is

Re: [Lazarus] Is there a separate mailing list for Lazarus developers?

2014-01-06 Thread Lukasz Sokol
On 05/01/14 14:07, vfclists . wrote: [ cut tl;irit] There is another example of a mailing list where technical discussion, commit messages, bug reports and all kinds (trolls, phishing posts, spam) happens. it's LKML, fwiw. And yes, there is general one, and there are ones dedicated to arm,

Re: [Lazarus] Is there a separate mailing list for Lazarus developers?

2014-01-06 Thread Juha Manninen
On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Lukasz Sokol el.es...@gmail.com wrote: There is another example of a mailing list where technical discussion, commit messages, bug reports and all kinds (trolls, phishing posts, spam) happens. it's LKML, fwiw. And yes, there is general one, and there are ones

Re: [Lazarus] Is there a separate mailing list for Lazarus developers?

2014-01-06 Thread Lukasz Sokol
On 06/01/14 11:00, Juha Manninen wrote: On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Lukasz Sokol el.es...@gmail.com wrote: There is another example of a mailing list where technical discussion, commit messages, bug reports and all kinds (trolls, phishing posts, spam) happens. it's LKML, fwiw. And yes,

Re: [Lazarus] Is there a separate mailing list for Lazarus developers?

2014-01-06 Thread Juha Manninen
On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 7:17 PM, Lukasz Sokol el.es...@gmail.com wrote: But even stable review patches are being posted there publicly, and s-o-b requested. Because that's minimum the developers are ever required/expected to read, of all things. I understand this happens on devel list(s) in

Re: [Lazarus] Is there a separate mailing list for Lazarus developers?

2014-01-05 Thread Sven Barth
Am 05.01.2014 02:44 schrieb Bart bartjun...@gmail.com: As for being able to participate by submitting patches or fixing bugs first many users may consider such things outside their field of competence, or may only be interested in areas that affect them directly or are deeply

Re: [Lazarus] Is there a separate mailing list for Lazarus developers?

2014-01-05 Thread Florian Klämpfl
Am 05.01.2014 01:48, schrieb vfclists .: I also suspect that some of those bugs wouldn't creep into the code in the first place if the development process was open enough for more eyes to spot them in the first place. There are the commit logs and they are much more precise about what's

Re: [Lazarus] Is there a separate mailing list for Lazarus developers?

2014-01-05 Thread Juha Manninen
On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 2:48 AM, vfclists . vfcli...@gmail.com wrote: I have always had this nagging feeling that something wasn't quite right about Lazarus and this explains it. Now I have a strong nagging feeling about you! I think the developers fear that if they open up the list even for

Re: [Lazarus] Is there a separate mailing list for Lazarus developers?

2014-01-05 Thread vfclists .
When people ask questions like this it is because they are making comparisons with other projects which are more open, or in the case of Lazarus easier to follow. I follow a few groups such as pharo-dev and squeak-dev regularly and others such as web2py occasionally. In all instances once I log

Re: [Lazarus] Is there a separate mailing list for Lazarus developers?

2014-01-05 Thread Florian Klämpfl
Am 05.01.2014 15:07, schrieb vfclists .: When people ask questions like this it is because they are making comparisons with other projects which are more open, or in the case of Lazarus easier to follow. I follow a few groups such as pharo-dev and squeak-dev regularly and others such as

Re: [Lazarus] Is there a separate mailing list for Lazarus developers?

2014-01-05 Thread Reinier Olislagers
On 05/01/2014 15:07, vfclists . wrote: @Matthias and Bart - I think it helps to open up the more technical discussions to outside viewing. There is always smart lurker out there who can help with some abstruse issue which escapes you or you don't have the time or resources for. Kostas issue is

Re: [Lazarus] Is there a separate mailing list for Lazarus developers?

2014-01-05 Thread Martin Frb
On 05/01/2014 14:07, vfclists . wrote: In all instances once I log on to my email I can quickly get a good idea of how things are moving, ie you know how features are progressing and what bugs are being fixed. You where looking for an announcement channel, but asking more general for any

Re: [Lazarus] Is there a separate mailing list for Lazarus developers?

2014-01-05 Thread Bart
On 1/5/14, vfclists . vfcli...@gmail.com wrote: In all instances once I log on to my email I can quickly get a good idea of how things are moving, ie you know how features are progressing and what bugs are being fixed. http://svn.freepascal.org/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/?root=lazarusview=log How

Re: [Lazarus] Is there a separate mailing list for Lazarus developers?

2014-01-05 Thread Juha Manninen
On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 4:41 PM, Florian Klämpfl flor...@freepascal.org wrote: Considering the svn log, squeak developed (80 commits in 2013) approx. 50 times (!) slower than lazarus (almost 4000 commits in 2013) so no wonder you cannot follow lazarus comparable easily. :-) Juha --

Re: [Lazarus] Is there a separate mailing list for Lazarus developers?

2014-01-05 Thread vfclists .
On 5 January 2014 14:41, Florian Klämpfl flor...@freepascal.org wrote: Am 05.01.2014 15:07, schrieb vfclists .: When people ask questions like this it is because they are making comparisons with other projects which are more open, or in the case of Lazarus easier to follow. I

Re: [Lazarus] Is there a separate mailing list for Lazarus developers?

2014-01-05 Thread Juha Manninen
On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 4:07 PM, vfclists . vfcli...@gmail.com wrote: [...] I can understand why its developers prefer to focus on fixing existing issues rather than spending/wasting time debating new features. True, new features are not being debated much but they are being developed surely.

Re: [Lazarus] Is there a separate mailing list for Lazarus developers?

2014-01-04 Thread Juha Manninen
On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 11:39 PM, vfclists . vfcli...@gmail.com wrote: Is there a separate mailing list for Lazarus developers? Yes there is. Can be joined by invitation only. Most of the members also have a commit access to SVN repo. You will be invited, too, if you became a Lazarus developer.

Re: [Lazarus] Is there a separate mailing list for Lazarus developers?

2014-01-04 Thread vfclists .
On 4 January 2014 22:06, Juha Manninen juha.mannine...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 11:39 PM, vfclists . vfcli...@gmail.com wrote: Is there a separate mailing list for Lazarus developers? Yes there is. Can be joined by invitation only. Most of the members also have a commit

Re: [Lazarus] Is there a separate mailing list for Lazarus developers?

2014-01-04 Thread Juha Manninen
On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 12:26 AM, vfclists . vfcli...@gmail.com wrote: A lot of Lazarus developments and improvements, whether fully implemented or planned go unnoticed and I wonder if this is the reason why. What might those unnoticed developments and improvements be? I believe this is a

Re: [Lazarus] Is there a separate mailing list for Lazarus developers?

2014-01-04 Thread vfclists .
On 4 January 2014 23:18, Juha Manninen juha.mannine...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 12:26 AM, vfclists . vfcli...@gmail.com wrote: A lot of Lazarus developments and improvements, whether fully implemented or planned go unnoticed and I wonder if this is the reason why. What

Re: [Lazarus] Is there a separate mailing list for Lazarus developers?

2014-01-04 Thread Martin Frb
On 05/01/2014 00:48, vfclists . wrote: I have always had this nagging feeling that something wasn't quite right about Lazarus and this explains it. I have been using Lazarus on and off for about 4 years now. From the start I don't think I used more the 10% of what Lazarus offered and in the

Re: [Lazarus] Is there a separate mailing list for Lazarus developers?

2014-01-04 Thread Martin Frb
On 05/01/2014 00:48, vfclists . wrote: I think being able to see what is coming and follow their development will encourage more participants and more bug fixing as well. In any case if Lazarus developers feel that this approach has proved to be the best over the years then they are entitled