Re: [Lazarus] wiki on a new server

2012-03-27 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 23 March 2012 11:03, Vincent Snijders vincent.snijd...@gmail.com wrote: time consuming the default monoskin is used now. Therefore you will notice changes in its appearance. There are still problems with the new wiki. It seems the wiki style is broken or corrupt or something. This morning

Re: [Lazarus] wiki on a new server

2012-03-27 Thread michael . vancanneyt
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: On 23 March 2012 11:03, Vincent Snijders vincent.snijd...@gmail.com wrote: time consuming the default monoskin is used now. Therefore you will notice changes in its appearance. There are still problems with the new wiki. It seems the wiki

Re: [Lazarus] Size of binaries etc.

2012-03-27 Thread Mark Morgan Lloyd
Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: 2012/3/26 Juha Manninen juha.mannine...@gmail.com: and -O2 -g- -Xs -CX -XX both produce an executable of size 23649 KB on my 64-bit Linux system using QT bindings. Is it a Linux linker related issue? I have never found the -Xs to work under Linux. 32-bit or 64-bit.

Re: [Lazarus] Android build without ant

2012-03-27 Thread Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho
Hello, Thanks, call seams to do the trick. The next issues: 1 How to add more files to the apk. aapt tool seams to have no way for me to specify where the file will be inside the package and here it simply strips all of the paths, not even keeping the relative dir =/

Re: [Lazarus] Android build without ant

2012-03-27 Thread Sven Barth
Am 27.03.2012 10:42, schrieb Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho: Hello, Thanks, call seams to do the trick. The next issues: 1 How to add more files to the apk. aapt tool seams to have no way for me to specify where the file will be inside the package and here it simply strips all of the paths, not

[Lazarus] FCL-web and bandwidth usage

2012-03-27 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
Hi, This is probably one of the big reasons I dislike (hate is a bit harsh) the current state of the internet - it's all a bandwidth hog forcing everything to be slow. And seeing that just about every second website is a near web application makes the matter even worse. Here is a breakdown of

Re: [Lazarus] wiki on a new server

2012-03-27 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 27 March 2012 10:02, wrote: Looks good to me; Plain HTML ;-) LOL. I guess I have to agree. See my new post titled FCL-web and bandwidth usage. -- Regards,   - Graeme - ___ fpGUI - a cross-platform Free Pascal GUI toolkit

[Lazarus] [Patch] MS SQL Server/Sybase ASE connectors for Lazarus; was TMSSQLConnection - sqlDB component for accessing MS SQL Server

2012-03-27 Thread Reinier Olislagers
On 18-2-2012 2:09, Marcos Douglas wrote: As you can see here http://bugs.freepascal.org/view.php?id=17303 the developer known to LacaK developed a new connector for MSSQLServer, descendant of TSQLConnection class, and sent the beta code in 2010-08-30. snip To FPC core team: Could you take a

Re: [Lazarus] FCL-web and bandwidth usage

2012-03-27 Thread michael . vancanneyt
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: Hi, This is probably one of the big reasons I dislike (hate is a bit harsh) the current state of the internet - it's all a bandwidth hog forcing everything to be slow. And seeing that just about every second website is a near web application

Re: [Lazarus] Android build without ant

2012-03-27 Thread Kjow
2012/3/26 Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho felipemonteiro.carva...@gmail.com: Hello, I see that some people that follow this list have been doing this with the FPC Java port, so I though: Does anyone have a script which does the calls to build an APK (right from beginning, that is, building Java

Re: [Lazarus] Android build without ant

2012-03-27 Thread Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 11:00 AM, Sven Barth pascaldra...@googlemail.com wrote: ant debug uses a predefined debug key. You need to create your own one as outlined here: http://wiki.freepascal.org/FPC_JVM_Android_Development#Generate_a_Key_Store I think I managed to get it somewhat working, at

Re: [Lazarus] wiki on a new server

2012-03-27 Thread Martin
On 27/03/2012 08:55, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: On 23 March 2012 11:03, Vincent Snijdersvincent.snijd...@gmail.com wrote: time consuming the default monoskin is used now. Therefore you will notice changes in its appearance. There are still problems with the new wiki. It seems the wiki style is

Re: [Lazarus] wiki on a new server

2012-03-27 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 27 March 2012 12:31, Martin wrote: I tried with Chrome, IE, FireFox and Opera: With Chrome I get the same result you did. All other browsers work correctly. It's weird and inconsistent at the moment. I just tried now and it works 100% again under Chrome. Probably later it will be broken

[Lazarus] Bug 0009869: Popup menu of application tabs in Taskbar lacks maximize, move, size actions

2012-03-27 Thread patspiper
Bug 0009869 (under windows) has been fixed only for the case when Application.MainFormOnTaskBar = True. 1- What about if it Application.MainFormOnTaskBar= false? What should the behaviour of the popup menu be? 2- Shouldn't Application.MainFormOnTaskBar be true by default? 3- In Linux

Re: [Lazarus] wiki on a new server

2012-03-27 Thread Vincent Snijders
Op 27 maart 2012 12:54 heeft Graeme Geldenhuys graemeg.li...@gmail.com het volgende geschreven: On 27 March 2012 12:31, Martin  wrote: I tried with Chrome, IE, FireFox and Opera: With Chrome I get the same result you did. All other browsers work correctly. It's weird and inconsistent at

[Lazarus] Stop making false claims and statements on the wiki!

2012-03-27 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
Hi Felipe, PLEASE STOP SPREADING FUD! Regarding the wiki page... http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/Custom_Drawn_Interface [if you don't like harsh language - stop reading now] fpGUI acts as an unnecessary intermediary layer between the LCL and the platform, which makes the development

Re: [Lazarus] Stop making false claims and statements on the wiki!

2012-03-27 Thread Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho
If you don't like my comparison you can create another one and I will make a link to it in the top of the section. The table is about the LCL interface for fpGUI which has no maintainers against the LCL interface for CustomDrawn, it is a FAQ for people which ask why I dropped work on the first to

Re: [Lazarus] Stop making false claims and statements on the wiki!

2012-03-27 Thread Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho
Ah and last thing: You are not the only one pissed off. I am pissed off that you came in the last week to the Lazarus mailling list again and again only to promote fpGUI and bash the LCL. While I am not against citing it if it absolutely on the topic (like someone that desperately wants small

Re: [Lazarus] FCL-web and bandwidth usage

2012-03-27 Thread Andrew Brunner
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 4:13 AM, Graeme Geldenhuys graemeg.li...@gmail.com So has anybody done some bandwidth breakdowns of there FCL-web based websites or web applications? How do you fare? I have an entire cloud platform developed in FPC/Lazarus and studied my framework and the impact

Re: [Lazarus] FCL-web and bandwidth usage

2012-03-27 Thread michael . vancanneyt
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012, Andrew Brunner wrote: On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 4:13 AM, Graeme Geldenhuys graemeg.li...@gmail.com So has anybody done some bandwidth breakdowns of there FCL-web based websites or web applications? How do you fare? I have an entire cloud platform developed in

Re: [Lazarus] Stop making false claims and statements on the wiki!

2012-03-27 Thread Martin
On 27/03/2012 13:58, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: Hi Felipe, PLEASE STOP SPREADING FUD! Regarding the wiki page... http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/Custom_Drawn_Interface I realize, it is not my war, but a few comments. Personally I am not using either of them. I do definitely not have a

Re: [Lazarus] Stop making false claims and statements on the wiki!

2012-03-27 Thread Mark Morgan Lloyd
Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: Hi Felipe, PLEASE STOP SPREADING FUD! Regarding the wiki page... http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/Custom_Drawn_Interface [...] And every time you undo one of my changes If the wiki page is describing a project that he is actively working on, including reasons

Re: [Lazarus] Stop making false claims and statements on the wiki!

2012-03-27 Thread Mark Morgan Lloyd
Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho wrote: Ah and last thing: You are not the only one pissed off. I am pissed off that you came in the last week to the Lazarus mailling list again and again only to promote fpGUI and bash the LCL. While I am not against citing it if it absolutely on the topic (like

[Lazarus] List the procedures of a object.

2012-03-27 Thread Everton Vieira
Is there any how to list the procedures of a object? Att. Everton Vieira. -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus

Re: [Lazarus] List the procedures of a object.

2012-03-27 Thread Sven Barth
Am 27.03.2012 16:49, schrieb Everton Vieira: Is there any how to list the procedures of a object? If you mean in runtime code: there isn't currently any supported method for this. We'd need the extended RTTI of Delphi 2009 for this. Regards, Sven --

[Lazarus] FPC Lazarus installation including cross compiling from source

2012-03-27 Thread patspiper
This is related to bug 0021580: Feature request: Robust IDE cross-compiling. With Lazarus 1.0 being closer than ever, and with the availability of different Linux scripts to compile FPC from source (including cross compilation), maybe the time has come to have an automated installer that does

Re: [Lazarus] Stop making false claims and statements on the wiki!

2012-03-27 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 27 March 2012 16:30, Martin lazarus@* wrote: FPGui is developed as a separate project. It can be used in Lazarus via the FPGui-Widgetset. This requires the user to install and/or update FPGui (sources) and set up Lazarus to use them. CustomDrawn is developed as part of Lazarus and

Re: [Lazarus] Stop making false claims and statements on the wiki!

2012-03-27 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 27 March 2012 16:21, Mark Morgan Lloyd markMLl.lazarus@t*** wrote: That was me. I was slightly unhappy that fpGUI was raised when I'd already pointed out that I only wanted to use standard components, and I believe I made my point adequately in response. Quoting what you said: ...but even

Re: [Lazarus] Stop making false claims and statements on the wiki!

2012-03-27 Thread Reimar Grabowski
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 15:18:46 +0200 Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho felipemonteiro.carva...@gmail.com wrote: If the comparison was LCL-CustomDrawn against LCL-Gtk3 I would cite the exact same thing. Gtk3 has versioning issues. Is this a typo or is there active work on the GTK3 front? R. --

Re: [Lazarus] FCL-web and bandwidth usage

2012-03-27 Thread Jürgen Hestermann
Graeme Geldenhuys schrieb: So next time, don't just blindly throw in various JavaScript frameworks to make your web app or website look good. Think about the bandwidth being used per loaded page too. It's not only bandwith. I only use Firefox with NoScript addon which prevents my browser

Re: [Lazarus] FPC Lazarus installation including cross compiling from source

2012-03-27 Thread Mattias Gaertner
patspiper patspi...@gmail.com hat am 27. März 2012 um 17:17 geschrieben: This is related to bug 0021580: Feature request: Robust IDE cross-compiling. With Lazarus 1.0 being closer than ever, and with the availability of different Linux scripts to compile FPC from source (including cross

Re: [Lazarus] FCL-web and bandwidth usage

2012-03-27 Thread Michael Van Canneyt
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012, Jürgen Hestermann wrote: michael.vancann...@wisa.be schrieb: Javascript is not something you can avoid. People have come to expect a certain functionality from a website, which can only be delivered with Javasvript. If you don't provide it, your product will not sell.

Re: [Lazarus] Stop making false claims and statements on the wiki!

2012-03-27 Thread Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 5:48 PM, Martin laza...@mfriebe.de wrote: - False advertising with the faked image - bloating the non-existent features. Please can we leave that one out? I find that really childish. So it can display a bmp or png? its a feature too. - Valid for a showcase - For

Re: [Lazarus] FPC Lazarus installation including cross compiling from source

2012-03-27 Thread Reinier Olislagers
On 27-3-2012 17:44, Mattias Gaertner wrote: patspiper patspi...@gmail.com hat am 27. März 2012 um 17:17 geschrieben: This is related to bug 0021580: Feature request: Robust IDE cross-compiling. With Lazarus 1.0 being closer than ever, and with the availability of different Linux scripts

Re: [Lazarus] FPC Lazarus installation including cross compiling from source

2012-03-27 Thread patspiper
On 27/03/12 18:44, Mattias Gaertner wrote: patspiper patspi...@gmail.com hat am 27. März 2012 um 17:17 geschrieben: This is related to bug 0021580: Feature request: Robust IDE cross-compiling. With Lazarus 1.0 being closer than ever, and with the availability of different Linux

Re: [Lazarus] List the procedures of a object.

2012-03-27 Thread Everton Vieira
I need to execute an procedure of an object if his exists, i'm doing some tests and get into this, but this is generating an SIGSEV: unit Unit1; {$mode objfpc}{$H+} interface uses Classes, SysUtils, FileUtil, Forms, Controls, Graphics, Dialogs, StdCtrls; type { TTeste } TTeste = class

Re: [Lazarus] List the procedures of a object.

2012-03-27 Thread Everton Vieira
Well, i manage to 'find' the procedure now is giving the SIGSEV when is executed. For the MethodAddress finds was need to be published. unit Unit1; {$mode objfpc}{$M+} interface uses Classes, SysUtils, FileUtil, Forms, Controls, Graphics, Dialogs, StdCtrls; type { TTeste } TTeste = class

Re: [Lazarus] FPC Lazarus installation including cross compiling from source

2012-03-27 Thread Mark Morgan Lloyd
Reinier Olislagers wrote: On 27-3-2012 17:44, Mattias Gaertner wrote: patspiper patspi...@gmail.com hat am 27. März 2012 um 17:17 geschrieben: This is related to bug 0021580: Feature request: Robust IDE cross-compiling. With Lazarus 1.0 being closer than ever, and with the availability of

Re: [Lazarus] FCL-web and bandwidth usage

2012-03-27 Thread Mark Morgan Lloyd
Jürgen Hestermann wrote: michael.vancann...@wisa.be schrieb: Javascript is not something you can avoid. People have come to expect a certain functionality from a website, which can only be delivered with Javasvript. If you don't provide it, your product will not sell. It's as simple as

Re: [Lazarus] Stop making false claims and statements on the wiki!

2012-03-27 Thread zeljko
On Tuesday 27 of March 2012 17:27:59 Reimar Grabowski wrote: On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 15:18:46 +0200 Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho felipemonteiro.carva...@gmail.com wrote: If the comparison was LCL-CustomDrawn against LCL-Gtk3 I would cite the exact same thing. Gtk3 has versioning issues. Is

Re: [Lazarus] Missing Documentation

2012-03-27 Thread Marco van de Voort
On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 01:00:08PM +0100, Mattias Gaertner wrote: There is no big difference between a link from one fpdoc file to another (e.g. LCL to RTL) and between a fpdoc element and a wiki page. 1. One can be offline, the other not. 2. One is versioned per lazarus version, one is not.

Re: [Lazarus] List the procedures of a object.

2012-03-27 Thread Marco van de Voort
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 04:51:52PM +0200, Sven Barth wrote: Is there any how to list the procedures of a object? If you mean in runtime code: there isn't currently any supported method for this. We'd need the extended RTTI of Delphi 2009 for this. 2010 actually. And since this list has

Re: [Lazarus] List the procedures of a object.

2012-03-27 Thread Michael Van Canneyt
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012, Marco van de Voort wrote: On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 04:51:52PM +0200, Sven Barth wrote: Is there any how to list the procedures of a object? If you mean in runtime code: there isn't currently any supported method for this. We'd need the extended RTTI of Delphi 2009 for

Re: [Lazarus] List the procedures of a object.

2012-03-27 Thread Marco van de Voort
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 09:00:07PM +0200, Michael Van Canneyt wrote: 2010 actually. And since this list has been _very_ sensitive about bloat recently, I would not even dare to suggest that way ;-) I would. Under command of some switch, of course, it surely would come in handy. The

Re: [Lazarus] List the procedures of a object.

2012-03-27 Thread Michael Van Canneyt
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012, Marco van de Voort wrote: On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 09:00:07PM +0200, Michael Van Canneyt wrote: 2010 actually. And since this list has been _very_ sensitive about bloat recently, I would not even dare to suggest that way ;-) I would. Under command of some switch, of

Re: [Lazarus] FCL-web and bandwidth usage

2012-03-27 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
2012/3/27 Michael Van Canneyt michael@...: These applications must behave and act as a desktop application, this is a requirement. This is not possible without Javascript. Then you may ask, why not simply program a desktop application ? LOL, you took the words (or rather question) right out

Re: [Lazarus] Stop making false claims and statements on the wiki!

2012-03-27 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 27 March 2012 18:24, Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho wrote: Rethinking now I think that we should just kill the comparison completely. This entire discussion is a huge waste of time. Yes, please do. -- Regards,   - Graeme - ___ fpGUI - a

Re: [Lazarus] FCL-web and bandwidth usage

2012-03-27 Thread Michael Van Canneyt
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: 2012/3/27 Michael Van Canneyt michael@...: These applications must behave and act as a desktop application, this is a requirement. This is not possible without Javascript. Then you may ask, why not simply program a desktop application ? LOL,

Re: [Lazarus] FPC Lazarus installation including cross compiling from source

2012-03-27 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 27 March 2012 17:17, patspiper patspiper@gmail wrote: The complement for Lazarus would be the ability to import/export the default project options with build modes. My default build modes include Default, Linux/i386, Win32/i386, Linux/arm, and WinCE/arm. The 1st base question that

Re: [Lazarus] FPC Lazarus installation including cross compiling from source

2012-03-27 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
2012/3/27 Mattias Gaertner nc-gaertnma@: Maybe someone wants to setup VM image for public download for his favorite distribution with preinstalled Lazarus and other common development tools. Microsoft and Apple would love you for pirating and distributing their OS's illegally. :-) What you

Re: [Lazarus] Stop making false claims and statements on the wiki!

2012-03-27 Thread Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 9:40 PM, Graeme Geldenhuys graemeg.li...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, please do. As soon as Sven unblocks it. -- Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org

Re: [Lazarus] FCL-web and bandwidth usage

2012-03-27 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 27 March 2012 21:54, Michael Van Canneyt michael@ wrote: 1. We use client/server technology.   Meaning that sometimes, the server says 'update NOW', whether client is ready for it or not. That's when you slip them the silent update version, which updates before the app launches (no

Re: [Lazarus] FCL-web and bandwidth usage

2012-03-27 Thread ABorka
michael.vancann...@wisa.be schrieb: Javascript is not something you can avoid. People have come to expect a certain functionality from a website, which can only be delivered with Javasvript. If you don't provide it, your product will not sell. It's as simple as that. I doubt that. Just the

Re: [Lazarus] Stop making false claims and statements on the wiki!

2012-03-27 Thread Vincent Snijders
Op 27 maart 2012 22:02 heeft Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho felipemonteiro.carva...@gmail.com het volgende geschreven: On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 9:40 PM, Graeme Geldenhuys graemeg.li...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, please do. As soon as Sven unblocks it. The block expires automatically at 15:08 UTC 28

Re: [Lazarus] List the procedures of a object.

2012-03-27 Thread Everton Vieira
I just did, the real case just saved me to do about 10.000 lines of code in a very tedious job. Became like this: unit Unit1; {$mode objfpc}{$M+} interface uses Classes, SysUtils, FileUtil, Forms, Controls, Graphics, Dialogs, StdCtrls; type { TTeste } TTeste = class published

Re: [Lazarus] FCL-web and bandwidth usage

2012-03-27 Thread Andrew Brunner
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 3:55 PM, Graeme Geldenhuys graemeg.li...@gmail.comwrote: Personally I still think Java applets (or Java apps launched via the web) are way better than web apps. They can be cached locally for quick launches in the future, way more responsive, full featured with the

Re: [Lazarus] FCL-web and bandwidth usage

2012-03-27 Thread Michael Van Canneyt
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012, ABorka wrote: michael.vancann...@wisa.be schrieb: If it was not for that small detail, I would not touch web programming with a long stick. No set standards, different and ever-changing browsers, a language that sucks big time. But alas... Michael. ...And it does

Re: [Lazarus] Stop making false claims and statements on the wiki!

2012-03-27 Thread Paul Ishenin
28.03.12 0:24, Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho wrote: Note that LCL-Cocoa can't yet run this application but LCL-CustomDrawn can in all of its backends (TTimer is backend dependent and implemented by all backends). This tells a lot of how much this widgetset advanced and it is a very good demo.

[Lazarus] IDE Messages window uses much CPU when building a project on Win32

2012-03-27 Thread cobines
Hello. I'm experiencing a following issue on Windows XP. When building something with the IDE the compiler messages window flickers and lazarus process uses much CPU. For example messages window displaying 10 lines takes 30%, 30 lines 90% of CPU. I don't experience this on Linux/QT4; there