Re: [Lazarus] [OT] About licences

2011-04-14 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 13/04/2011 08:38, t.wieckow...@gmail.com wrote: I'm wondering about one thing, Can I do (at all) application with closed source, by Linux ? I ask because I saw what dependencies the empty project have: linux-vdso.so.1 = (0x7cdff000) ...[snip lots of dependencies]... Yes

Re: [Lazarus] [OT] About licences

2011-04-14 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 13/04/2011 08:38, t.wieckow...@gmail.com wrote: I'm wondering about one thing, Can I do (at all) application with closed source, by Linux ? I ask because I saw what dependencies the empty project have: Interpreting your email slightly different to my previous reply. The answer is again

[Lazarus] Lazarus GTK project dependencies

2011-04-14 Thread Michael Van Canneyt
Hi, due to some other topic discussed on the mailing list, I thought I'd check the dependencies of a simple lazarus project. The result is shown below. I did this similar exercise a year or two ago, and the result has more than tripled ! I wonder, why all these dependencies ?? I mean,

Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus GTK project dependencies

2011-04-14 Thread Mattias Gaertner
On Thu, 14 Apr 2011 09:33:03 +0200 (CEST) Michael Van Canneyt mich...@freepascal.org wrote: Hi, due to some other topic discussed on the mailing list, I thought I'd check the dependencies of a simple lazarus project. The result is shown below. I did this similar exercise a year or two

Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus GTK project dependencies

2011-04-14 Thread michael . vancanneyt
On Thu, 14 Apr 2011, zeljko wrote: On Thursday 14 of April 2011 09:33:03 Michael Van Canneyt wrote: Hi, due to some other topic discussed on the mailing list, I thought I'd check the dependencies of a simple lazarus project. The result is shown below. I did this similar exercise a year or

Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus GTK project dependencies

2011-04-14 Thread Sven Barth
I'll comment on libraries that might not be clear: Am 14.04.2011 09:33, schrieb Michael Van Canneyt: Simple Lazarus app (GTK2) dependencies: linux-vdso.so.1 = (0x7fff6b231000) libpthread.so.0 = /lib/libpthread.so.0 (0x7fed28a87000) libdl.so.2 = /lib/libdl.so.2 (0x7fed28883000)

Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus GTK project dependencies

2011-04-14 Thread Mattias Gaertner
On Thu, 14 Apr 2011 09:47:57 +0200 (CEST) michael.vancann...@wisa.be wrote: On Thu, 14 Apr 2011, zeljko wrote: On Thursday 14 of April 2011 09:33:03 Michael Van Canneyt wrote: Hi, due to some other topic discussed on the mailing list, I thought I'd check the dependencies of a

Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus GTK project dependencies

2011-04-14 Thread zeljko
On Thursday 14 of April 2011 09:56:47 Mattias Gaertner wrote: It is quite stable. It works well under KDE, not so well under Gnome. But this is not the fault of the LCL qt interface, but of QT. What's not so well under Gnome ? I guess that you have problem with metacity behaviour (or maybe

Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus GTK project dependencies

2011-04-14 Thread michael . vancanneyt
On Thu, 14 Apr 2011, Mattias Gaertner wrote: On Thu, 14 Apr 2011 09:47:57 +0200 (CEST) michael.vancann...@wisa.be wrote: On Thu, 14 Apr 2011, zeljko wrote: On Thursday 14 of April 2011 09:33:03 Michael Van Canneyt wrote: Hi, due to some other topic discussed on the mailing list, I

Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus GTK project dependencies

2011-04-14 Thread Marco van de Voort
In our previous episode, Michael Van Canneyt said: At some time, the KDE project tried to reduce startup time of their binaries by redefining their APIs so shared libs would load faster. I thought the KDE problem was that their shared libs interfaced at the C++ level, exporting huge amounts of

Re: [Lazarus] Metafile support

2011-04-14 Thread Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho
On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 12:14 AM, Hans-Peter Diettrich drdiettri...@aol.com wrote: Rendering text in WMF files requires to remember the last specified font, that applies to all subsequent output. For other metafile formats it may be desireable to check given font parameters, and to reuse an

Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus GTK project dependencies

2011-04-14 Thread Sven Barth
Am 14.04.2011 10:17, schrieb michael.vancann...@wisa.be: On Thu, 14 Apr 2011, Mattias Gaertner wrote: On Thu, 14 Apr 2011 09:47:57 +0200 (CEST) michael.vancann...@wisa.be wrote: On Thu, 14 Apr 2011, zeljko wrote: On Thursday 14 of April 2011 09:33:03 Michael Van Canneyt wrote: Hi,

Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus GTK project dependencies

2011-04-14 Thread michael . vancanneyt
On Thu, 14 Apr 2011, Sven Barth wrote: Am 14.04.2011 10:17, schrieb michael.vancann...@wisa.be: On Thu, 14 Apr 2011, Mattias Gaertner wrote: On Thu, 14 Apr 2011 09:47:57 +0200 (CEST) michael.vancann...@wisa.be wrote: On Thu, 14 Apr 2011, zeljko wrote: On Thursday 14 of April 2011

Re: [Lazarus] Metafile support

2011-04-14 Thread Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho
On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 10:48 AM, Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho felipemonteiro.carva...@gmail.com wrote: Surely fpvectorial could be changed to use the Metafile data model internally, but this also has drawbacks for other formats. Actually I am quite divided about which is the best model to use

Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus GTK project dependencies

2011-04-14 Thread Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho
On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 11:14 AM, michael.vancann...@wisa.be wrote: fsb: ldd /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 | cut -d' ' -f 3 | xargs cat | wc -c 10646417 And I checked: the LCL app loads exactly the same list of libraries as the GTK lib itself. I don't have an LCL Qt app to compare with. You

Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus GTK project dependencies

2011-04-14 Thread Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho
Sorry, the list was incomplete. My KDE console has a wierd bug when selecting text =( [felipe@localhost httpclient]$ ldd readhttpheaders linux-gate.so.1 = (0xe000) libQt4Pas.so.5 = /usr/lib/libQt4Pas.so.5 (0xb7602000) libX11.so.6 = /usr/lib/libX11.so.6 (0xb74d)

Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus GTK project dependencies

2011-04-14 Thread Mattias Gaertner
    michael.vancann...@wisa.be hat am 14. April 2011 um 10:17 geschrieben: On Thu, 14 Apr 2011, Mattias Gaertner wrote: On Thu, 14 Apr 2011 09:47:57 +0200 (CEST) michael.vancann...@wisa.be wrote: On Thu, 14 Apr 2011, zeljko wrote: On Thursday 14 of April 2011

Re: [Lazarus] Creating SDK like system

2011-04-14 Thread ik
Thank you all for your answers, now I returned the ball to the client to understand better what type of changes they want to be able to do, so I'll know what to design. Ido On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 10:47, Michael Schnell mschn...@lumino.de wrote: On 04/13/2011 05:12 PM, ik wrote: I was

Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus GTK project dependencies

2011-04-14 Thread Michael Van Canneyt
On Thu, 14 Apr 2011, Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho wrote: On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 11:14 AM, michael.vancann...@wisa.be wrote: fsb: ldd /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 | cut -d' ' -f 3 | xargs cat | wc -c 10646417 And I checked: the LCL app loads exactly the same list of libraries as the GTK lib

Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus GTK project dependencies

2011-04-14 Thread michael . vancanneyt
On Thu, 14 Apr 2011, Mattias Gaertner wrote: fsb: ldd /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3.3.8 | cut -d' ' -f 3 | xargs cat | wc -c 7172681  The libqt-mt library is only one lib of a qt program. Yes. My bad, see my answer to Felipe. :/   7 vs. 9 Mb. Just for the Qt/Gtk library.  Please compare whole

Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus GTK project dependencies

2011-04-14 Thread zeljko
On Thursday 14 of April 2011 11:36:10 Mattias Gaertner wrote: The libqt-mt library is only one lib of a qt program. no, libqt-mt is complete qt-3.XXX library. in Qt 4 they splitted core,gui etc. zeljko -- ___ Lazarus mailing list

[Lazarus] Lazarus FPC Italian language translators

2011-04-14 Thread notturno
Hello, I'm starting to translate the FPC message file to italian. Since the IT.po for lazarus has many untranslated sentences (maybe it's from an old version of lazarus?) I'm filling them too. I would like to know if there are other EN-IT translators active at the moment here, to coordinate

Re: [Lazarus] Creating SDK like system

2011-04-14 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
ik schrieb: I was requested to create a Windows program that can be changed (the interface) using some sort of SDK. That's very vague. Does the requestor have a specific idea about such an SDK, together with the functionality of the program? It sounds to me like something like XYZ has.

Re: [Lazarus] Creating SDK like system

2011-04-14 Thread Michael Schnell
BTW.: Maybe for your needs a resource stream is not even a good idea. I suppose it's not difficult to have a program read it's GUI design from a file instead of from the resource steam. So you can modify the look independently from the executable. -Michael --

Re: [Lazarus] Metafile support

2011-04-14 Thread Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho
On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 2:53 PM, Hans-Peter Diettrich drdiettri...@aol.com wrote: I'd separate the construction of metafiles from their use (drawing). Once a file has been created - be metafile, BMP, PNG, HTML, PDF etc. - its main purpose is distribution and presentation, not editing. In the

Re: [Lazarus] Creating SDK like system

2011-04-14 Thread ik
On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 13:15, Hans-Peter Diettrich drdiettri...@aol.comwrote: ik schrieb: I was requested to create a Windows program that can be changed (the interface) using some sort of SDK. That's very vague. Does the requestor have a specific idea about such an SDK, together with

Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus FPC Italian language translators

2011-04-14 Thread Maxim Ganetsky
14.04.2011 14:30, notturno пишет: Hello, I'm starting to translate the FPC message file to italian. Since the IT.po for lazarus has many untranslated sentences (maybe it's from an old version of lazarus?) I'm filling them too. Very good. :) I would like to know if there are other EN-IT

Re: [Lazarus] Metafile support

2011-04-14 Thread Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho
Forwarding to the mailling list: On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 6:07 PM, Hans-Peter Diettrich drdiettri...@aol.com wrote: Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho schrieb: I am totally lost about how this all applies to fpvectorial. I was talking about metafiles in general, not about specific metafile formats