Re: [Lazarus] German umlauts in component names

[Dennis]

Graeme Geldenhuys wrote:

On 2016-04-02 13:16, Santiago A. wrote:

similar should be done. You would need to make compulsory a command in
source code to tell which code set is using.

I would hope anybody in this day and age only uses UTF-8 for text files
and source code. It was designed to solve the multiple CodePages mess
from before.

Anyway, back to the point. I fully agree that anything outside the ASCII
range is a bad idea for Identifiers, Unit Names etc. Even if the
compiler does support it, using it is still a bad idea.

As a contract programmer I already struggle working on code where
identifiers, Class names, methods, code comments etc are written in
non-English [I fully agree its their right to do so, as it is not
feasible to think everybody can speak or write English]. But adding
different character sets to the mix will massively increase that hurdle.

Regards,
   - Graeme -


I am chinese.
I also think identifiers should be ascii 7 bit or below only.
String values should be UTF-8 as much as possible.
It just avoids so many problems.

Dennis

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Re: [Lazarus] PDF generator, try 2

[Graeme Geldenhuys]

On 2016-04-01 20:16, Jesus Reyes A. wrote:
>P.WriteUTF8Text(15, 120, 'Languages: English: Hello, World!');
>P.WriteUTF8Text(40, 130, 'Greek: -FÃåéÜ óïõ êüóìïò');
>P.WriteUTF8Text(40, 140, 'Polish: Witaj -B¶wiecie');
>P.WriteUTF8Text(40, 150, 'Portuguese: Ol-Aá mundo');
> 
> Of course, before DoUnitConversion(p1); there should be a  
> DoMatrixTransform(p1); etc.

That does indeed look much better. The origin of the external matrix
usage is quite simple really... Initially there wasn't a matrix, and
coordinates had to be calculated (PDF's origin point is bottom/left of
the page) manually before passed to drawing routines. Introducing Matrix
was the first step in cleaning up the code.

Your recommendation is the next step and already on my todo list. I'll
make the change and adapt the demos. This will affect the fpReport code
too (hence it wasn't done yet), but the changes really aren't that big.
I'll make the change in this coming week.

Regards,
  - Graeme -

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Re: [Lazarus] German umlauts in component names

[Graeme Geldenhuys]

On 2016-04-02 13:16, Santiago A. wrote:
> similar should be done. You would need to make compulsory a command in
> source code to tell which code set is using.

I would hope anybody in this day and age only uses UTF-8 for text files
and source code. It was designed to solve the multiple CodePages mess
from before.

Anyway, back to the point. I fully agree that anything outside the ASCII
range is a bad idea for Identifiers, Unit Names etc. Even if the
compiler does support it, using it is still a bad idea.

As a contract programmer I already struggle working on code where
identifiers, Class names, methods, code comments etc are written in
non-English [I fully agree its their right to do so, as it is not
feasible to think everybody can speak or write English]. But adding
different character sets to the mix will massively increase that hurdle.

Regards,
  - Graeme -

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Re: [Lazarus] German umlauts in component names

[Santiago A.]

El 02/04/2016 a las 12:32, Special escribió:
> Why? What's so bad with TButton.Name "StraßeButton" to select "Straße"
> in, for instance, a school program for german kids?
Messing with ascii codes above 127 is a problem. Look the mess in
strings with different char code sets.
Are we going to spread that mess to identifiers?

In html (prior html5), you must say at the beginning of html the
document  the charset. If you don't, the reader reads crap. Something
similar should be done. You would need to make compulsory a command in
source code to tell which code set is using. As log as unit and program
name could also be "áéíóú", it should be the first command of the source
file.

Anyway, that would we another programming language.

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Re: [Lazarus] German umlauts in component names

[Jürgen Hestermann]

Am 2016-04-02 um 12:32 schrieb Special:
> Why? What's so bad with TButton.Name "StraßeButton" to select "Straße" in, 
for instance, a school program for german kids?

I am german too and I also would not like to have this.
Just think about programs written by japanese or chinese
programmers using their (unicode) characters in identifiers.
Can you read such programs?
Same for the opposite case when german umlauts and such
are read by programmers from asia.
What an unnecesseriy increase of complexity.



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Re: [Lazarus] German umlauts in component names

[Special]

Why? What's so bad with TButton.Name "StraßeButton" to select "Straße" 
in, for instance, a school program for german kids?


Am 02.04.2016 um 11:54 schrieb Werner Pamler:

Am 02.04.2016 um 11:35 schrieb Michael Van Canneyt:



On Sat, 2 Apr 2016, Martin Schreiber wrote:


On Saturday 02 April 2016 10:30:51 Mattias Gaertner wrote:

We have many Delphi Programs with German Umlauts in component 
names and

would like to go to Lazarus with them.
Any hints?


This is not supported by FPC yet.


Not supported *yet*?
Shudder.


Delphi compatibility
In the unicode RTL, that should be possible. Together with unicode 
identifiers, obviously.


Although I am absolutely not in favour of this 'feature'.


+1

I am German, but I hope this will never be implemented.

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Re: [Lazarus] German umlauts in component names

[Werner Pamler]

Am 02.04.2016 um 11:35 schrieb Michael Van Canneyt:



On Sat, 2 Apr 2016, Martin Schreiber wrote:


On Saturday 02 April 2016 10:30:51 Mattias Gaertner wrote:

We have many Delphi Programs with German Umlauts in component names 
and

would like to go to Lazarus with them.
Any hints?


This is not supported by FPC yet.


Not supported *yet*?
Shudder.


Delphi compatibility
In the unicode RTL, that should be possible. Together with unicode 
identifiers, obviously.


Although I am absolutely not in favour of this 'feature'.


+1

I am German, but I hope this will never be implemented.

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Re: [Lazarus] German umlauts in component names

[Michael Van Canneyt]

On Sat, 2 Apr 2016, Martin Schreiber wrote:


On Saturday 02 April 2016 10:30:51 Mattias Gaertner wrote:


We have many Delphi Programs with German Umlauts in component names and
would like to go to Lazarus with them.
Any hints?


This is not supported by FPC yet.


Not supported *yet*?
Shudder.


Delphi compatibility
In the unicode RTL, that should be possible. 
Together with unicode identifiers, obviously.


Although I am absolutely not in favour of this 'feature'.

Michael.

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Re: [Lazarus] German umlauts in component names

[Martin Schreiber]

On Saturday 02 April 2016 10:30:51 Mattias Gaertner wrote:

> > We have many Delphi Programs with German Umlauts in component names and
> > would like to go to Lazarus with them.
> > Any hints?
>
> This is not supported by FPC yet.

Not supported *yet*?
Shudder.

Martin

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Re: [Lazarus] German umlauts in component names

[Michael Van Canneyt]

On Sat, 2 Apr 2016, Special wrote:

How can I use names with German Umlauts and 'ß' in the Name Field of 
TButton components? For instance, I try to set MyButton.Name to 
"Schließenbutton" and get an error message "Komponentenname 
Schließenbutton ist kein gültiger Bezeichner".


This happens with Lazarus 1.6 and FPC 3.0.0 under Win 10 (64) and under 
Raspian on a Pi3.
We have many Delphi Programs with German Umlauts in component names and 
would like to go to Lazarus with them.


You cannot at this moment.

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Re: [Lazarus] German umlauts in component names

[Mattias Gaertner]

On Sat, 2 Apr 2016 10:14:24 +0200
Special  wrote:

> How can I use names with German Umlauts and 'ß' in the Name Field of 
> TButton components? For instance, I try to set MyButton.Name to 
> "Schließenbutton" and get an error message "Komponentenname 
> Schließenbutton ist kein gültiger Bezeichner".
> 
> This happens with Lazarus 1.6 and FPC 3.0.0 under Win 10 (64) and under 
> Raspian on a Pi3.
> We have many Delphi Programs with German Umlauts in component names and 
> would like to go to Lazarus with them.
> Any hints?

This is not supported by FPC yet.
You have to rename them.

Mattias

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[Lazarus] German umlauts in component names

[Special]

How can I use names with German Umlauts and 'ß' in the Name Field of 
TButton components? For instance, I try to set MyButton.Name to 
"Schließenbutton" and get an error message "Komponentenname 
Schließenbutton ist kein gültiger Bezeichner".


This happens with Lazarus 1.6 and FPC 3.0.0 under Win 10 (64) and under 
Raspian on a Pi3.
We have many Delphi Programs with German Umlauts in component names and 
would like to go to Lazarus with them.

Any hints?

Hans

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Re: [Lazarus] Xamarin becomes free and open-source

[Michael Van Canneyt]

On Sat, 2 Apr 2016, Marco van de Voort wrote:


On Fri, Apr 01, 2016 at 08:58:14AM +0200, Michael Van Canneyt wrote:

they've learned to love on Linux.


I seriously doubt this will have any effect.

Most (if not all) of their admin tools are GUI based.
That makes scripting them impossibile. Which is the point of scripting.


Most of those are based on COM/WMI and can be scripted very confortably and
OO in powershell.


That's no good to you in bash.

Michael.

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