Re: [Lazarus] Opening non existing files and (not) adding them to the project

[Juha Manninen]

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 1:32 PM, Mattias Gaertner
 wrote:
> It works here on GTK2/Ubuntu. I can choose a non existing file.

I guess you mean you can type a name of a non existing file.
You cannot choose it because by definition it does not exist.

I have Xubuntu 15.10 with XFCE now. Can it make a difference? The
window manager of XFCE behaves strangely sometimes. I can test with
another distro later.

Juha

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Re: [Lazarus] Opening non existing files and (not) adding them to the project

[Sven Barth]

Am 18.01.2016 12:11 schrieb "Juha Manninen" :
> Can you find what revision caused the original problem you described?

I'll try to.

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Re: [Lazarus] Opening non existing files and (not) adding them to the project

[Mattias Gaertner]

On Mon, 18 Jan 2016 14:58:35 +0200
Juha Manninen  wrote:

> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 1:32 PM, Mattias Gaertner
>  wrote:
> > It works here on GTK2/Ubuntu. I can choose a non existing file.
> 
> I guess you mean you can type a name of a non existing file.
> You cannot choose it because by definition it does not exist.

Yes.

Mattias

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Re: [Lazarus] Opening non existing files and (not) adding them to the project

[Juha Manninen]

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 9:05 AM, Sven Barth  wrote:
> Don't shock me like that, Juha.
>
> The IDE actively asks me whether I want to create a new file if I open a non
> existing one and it should definitely stay that way.

Ok, you and Mattias are right.
The OpenDialog in TMainIDE.mnuOpenClicked has no ofFileMustExist flag.
I got confused with changes I made for Delphi converter dialogs.

Anyway the file open dialogs in GTK2 and QT don't respect the omitted
ofFileMustExist flag. They behave like it was set. That is another bug
clearly.
I got the question about creating a new file only using Windows
version of Lazarus.

Can you find what revision caused the original problem you described?

Juha

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Re: [Lazarus] Opening non existing files and (not) adding them to the project

[Mattias Gaertner]

On Mon, 18 Jan 2016 13:11:08 +0200
Juha Manninen  wrote:

>[...]
> Anyway the file open dialogs in GTK2 and QT don't respect the omitted
> ofFileMustExist flag. They behave like it was set. That is another bug
> clearly.

It works here on GTK2/Ubuntu. I can choose a non existing file.

Mattias

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Re: [Lazarus] Opening non existing files and (not) adding them to the project

[Sven Barth]

Am 18.01.2016 12:11 schrieb "Juha Manninen" :
> Can you find what revision caused the original problem you described?

Seems like it was more PEBKAC than anything else.
The thing is I normally use this when I work with the compiler and there I
add my tests to a directory parallel to the project directory.
However when I found this "problem" I had a different project in this test
directory open (cause I needed to debug it), but I added a test in the same
directory.
Now while looking for the changed revision I found out that Lazarus applies
a heuristic when to add a file to the project. Part of the decisions is the
above mentioned difference and it seems to have been like that at least
since 1.3 times (that's what I had accessible right now).
So there was nothing changed at all and I merely stumbled upon my own
stupidity -.-

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Re: [Lazarus] Opening non existing files and (not) adding them to the project

[Sven Barth]

Am 17.01.2016 22:35 schrieb "Juha Manninen" :
>
> On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 4:30 PM, Sven Barth 
wrote:
> > Back in 1.4.x when I opened a non-existing file and I confirmed that I
want
> > to have it created the file was not added to project or the project's
mainfile.
> > [...]
> > Now with 1.6RC2 I noticed that such files are added to the uses clause
of
> > the main program file and the project inspector.
>
> You cannot open a non-existing file, meaning that you cannot use the
> File -> Open dialog for it. There is now a "FileMustExist" or similar
> flag. I remember it fixed some bug but don't remember which one.
> IMO it is logical because you can by definition only open existing
> files. If a file does not exist, you must create it instead.

Don't shock me like that, Juha.

The IDE actively asks me whether I want to create a new file if I open a
non existing one and it should definitely stay that way.

Regards,
Sven
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Re: [Lazarus] Opening non existing files and (not) adding them to the project

[Sven Barth]

Am 17.01.2016 20:36 schrieb "ListMember" :
>
> On 2016-01-17 16:30, Sven Barth wrote:
>>
>> when I opened a non-existing file and I confirmed that I want to have it
created the file was not added to project or the project's mainfile.
>
>
> But, isn't this how Delphi has been doing it all these years.
>
> 1) When you create a new unit, it automatically gets added to the project.
>
> 2) When you decide to save the project, you're asked whether you want to
save the newly added (not saved yet) units. If not, it is removed from the
project and you lose its contents.
>
> 3) If you want to exclude the newly created unit, you remove it from the
project. In that case, IDE asks you whether you wish to save that file (or
lose it).
>
> Do you still/really want a 'non-standard' behavior?

I don't care what Delphi does. I care about what Lazarus has done for years
and what I have relied upon. For me this *is* standard behavior.

Regards,
Sven
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Re: [Lazarus] Opening non existing files and (not) adding them to the project

[Bart]

On 1/17/16, Juha Manninen  wrote:

> You cannot open a non-existing file, meaning that you cannot use the
> File -> Open dialog for it.

Yes tou can!
Lazarus 1.7 r51253 FPC 3.0.0 i386-win32-win32/win64

Bart

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Re: [Lazarus] Opening non existing files and (not) adding them to the project

[Sven Barth]

Am 17.01.2016 18:22 schrieb "Bart" :
>
> On 1/17/16, Sven Barth  wrote:
>
> > Is there some option I have missed to change this behavior? Because not
> > only meeses this up the compiler project, but CodeTools don't like it as
> > well as the files I add this way are usually program files, thus they
> > shouldn't be in the uses section anyway.
>
> Odd.
>
> ProjectOptions->Miscallaneous-> "Main unit has uses section containing
> all units of a project".
> Uncheck and save as default compiler options?
>
> Would have expected that to be a global setting.

That solves at least one part of the issue. The new file is however still
added to the project which is not good.

Regards,
Sven
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Re: [Lazarus] Opening non existing files and (not) adding them to the project

[ListMember]

On 2016-01-17 16:30, Sven Barth wrote:
when I opened a non-existing file and I confirmed that I want to have 
it created the file was not added to project or the project's mainfile. 


But, isn't this how Delphi has been doing it all these years.

1) When you create a new unit, it automatically gets added to the project.

2) When you decide to save the project, you're asked whether you want to 
save the newly added (not saved yet) units. If not, it is removed from 
the project and you lose its contents.


3) If you want to exclude the newly created unit, you remove it from the 
project. In that case, IDE asks you whether you wish to save that file 
(or lose it).


Do you still/really want a 'non-standard' behavior?

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Re: [Lazarus] Opening non existing files and (not) adding them to the project

[Juha Manninen]

On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 4:30 PM, Sven Barth  wrote:
> Back in 1.4.x when I opened a non-existing file and I confirmed that I want
> to have it created the file was not added to project or the project's 
> mainfile.
> [...]
> Now with 1.6RC2 I noticed that such files are added to the uses clause of
> the main program file and the project inspector.

You cannot open a non-existing file, meaning that you cannot use the
File -> Open dialog for it. There is now a "FileMustExist" or similar
flag. I remember it fixed some bug but don't remember which one.
IMO it is logical because you can by definition only open existing
files. If a file does not exist, you must create it instead.
The right fix could be to ask if a newly created file should be added
to project which means useless questions for most people.
Or, maybe the best way is to create a file somewhere else (editor,
file manager, cmd line etc), then open it. Even an empty file can be
opened.

Juha

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Re: [Lazarus] Opening non existing files and (not) adding them to the project

[Mattias Gaertner]

On Sun, 17 Jan 2016 23:34:58 +0200
Juha Manninen  wrote:

>[...]
> You cannot open a non-existing file, meaning that you cannot use the
> File -> Open dialog for it. There is now a "FileMustExist" or similar
> flag. I remember it fixed some bug but don't remember which one.

That would be a regression.
It is one of the oldest features of the IDE.

Mattias

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[Lazarus] Opening non existing files and (not) adding them to the project

[Sven Barth]

Hello together!

Working with 1.6RC2 I noticed a - for me - very serious problem and wonder
whether I've missed some option.
Back in 1.4.x when I opened a non-existing file and I confirmed that I want
to have it created the file was not added to project or the project's
mainfile. This is wonderful and I use it to quickly create testcases for
the compiler (which don't need their own project and are compiled from the
command line or from the compiler running debugged in the IDE anyway).
Now with 1.6RC2 I noticed that such files are added to the uses clause of
the main program file and the project inspector.
Is there some option I have missed to change this behavior? Because not
only meeses this up the compiler project, but CodeTools don't like it as
well as the files I add this way are usually program files, thus they
shouldn't be in the uses section anyway.
If there isn't the this should be changed preferably before the release of
1.6 as otherwise that version will be useless for me (or I'll have to patch
out that code myself).

Regards,
Sven
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Re: [Lazarus] Opening non existing files and (not) adding them to the project

[Bart]

On 1/17/16, Sven Barth  wrote:

> Is there some option I have missed to change this behavior? Because not
> only meeses this up the compiler project, but CodeTools don't like it as
> well as the files I add this way are usually program files, thus they
> shouldn't be in the uses section anyway.

Odd.

ProjectOptions->Miscallaneous-> "Main unit has uses section containing
all units of a project".
Uncheck and save as default compiler options?

Would have expected that to be a global setting.

Bart

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