Re: [Lazarus] Redundant text on project buttons

2014-10-20 Thread taazz
On 16/10/2014 19:49 μμ, Kostas Michalopoulos wrote: I'm not that good actually, in my own programs http://i3.minus.com/ibuyWlnHJorkXY.png sometimes i even ignore the color grouping part :-P (although i do try to use colors that stand out and contrasted outlines). Also my icons are very

Re: [Lazarus] Redundant text on project buttons

2014-10-18 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 2014-10-17 11:40, Jürgen Hestermann wrote: 2.) Right-clicking on the bar and selecting View all. Very useful, and which reminds me of a visual bug, which I just filed on Mantis. http://mantis.freepascal.org/view.php?id=26881 Regards, - Graeme - -- fpGUI Toolkit - a cross-platform GUI

Re: [Lazarus] Redundant text on project buttons

2014-10-18 Thread Jürgen Hestermann
Am 2014-10-17 um 19:46 schrieb Paulo Costa: On 17/10/2014 11:51, Michael Van Canneyt wrote: I prefer the icons. I know exactly where they are. So that is better and faster for me. Yes. A well placed icon in a stable position can be a time saver. As for those who claim to be faster with the

Re: [Lazarus] Redundant text on project buttons

2014-10-17 Thread Jürgen Hestermann
Am 2014-10-17 um 01:20 schrieb Juha Manninen: Yes, a better icon would be appreciated. I promise to apply it. What a waste of manpower! Programming the UI already takes so much effort that it should be restricted to useful things. Just compare the two ways of selecting a graphical component in

Re: [Lazarus] Redundant text on project buttons

2014-10-17 Thread Michael Van Canneyt
On Fri, 17 Oct 2014, Jürgen Hestermann wrote: Am 2014-10-17 um 01:20 schrieb Juha Manninen: Yes, a better icon would be appreciated. I promise to apply it. What a waste of manpower! Programming the UI already takes so much effort that it should be restricted to useful things. Just compare

Re: [Lazarus] Redundant text on project buttons

2014-10-17 Thread Paulo Costa
On 17/10/2014 11:51, Michael Van Canneyt wrote: I prefer the icons. I know exactly where they are. So that is better and faster for me. Yes. A well placed icon in a stable position can be a time saver. As for those who claim to be faster with the keyboard, be cautious and read this funny

Re: [Lazarus] Redundant text on project buttons

2014-10-16 Thread Kostas Michalopoulos
On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 6:34 PM, Jürgen Hestermann juergen.hesterm...@gmx.de wrote: But IMO the majority of icons is meaningless. Some even look very similar although they mean complete different things. Therefore I don't like them. I was talking about the general idea for icons. Lazarus'

Re: [Lazarus] Redundant text on project buttons

2014-10-16 Thread Howard Page-Clark
On 16/10/2014 12:54, Kostas Michalopoulos wrote: On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 6:34 PM, Jürgen Hestermann juergen.hesterm...@gmx.de mailto:juergen.hesterm...@gmx.de wrote: But IMO the majority of icons is meaningless. Some even look very similar although they mean complete different

Re: [Lazarus] Redundant text on project buttons

2014-10-16 Thread Kostas Michalopoulos
I'm not that good actually, in my own programs http://i3.minus.com/ibuyWlnHJorkXY.png sometimes i even ignore the color grouping part :-P (although i do try to use colors that stand out and contrasted outlines). Also my icons are very simplistic and in some cases they look more like game sprites

Re: [Lazarus] Redundant text on project buttons

2014-10-16 Thread Juha Manninen
On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Kostas Michalopoulos badsectorac...@gmail.com wrote: The Tab order icon uses two arrows - this means nothing really when it comes to ordering - in this case it is about specifying a sequence, so something linear (like a vertical list of items) or something that

Re: [Lazarus] Redundant text on project buttons

2014-10-15 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
2014-10-14 20:02 GMT+02:00 Juha Manninen juha.mannine...@gmail.com: There is also a report about it : http://bugs.freepascal.org/view.php?id=22278 Clearly there should be an option for Icon only / Text Only / Both. It should be respected by all IDE windows and not only Project Inspector.

Re: [Lazarus] Redundant text on project buttons

2014-10-15 Thread Jürgen Hestermann
Am 2014-10-14 um 20:13 schrieb Michael Van Canneyt: On Tue, 14 Oct 2014, Jürgen Hestermann wrote: Am 2014-10-14 um 18:43 schrieb waldo kitty: On 10/14/2014 5:20 AM, hinsta...@yandex.ru wrote: These urgently need to be reduced to icons with no text

Re: [Lazarus] Redundant text on project buttons

2014-10-15 Thread hinstance
yesss indeed a good idea for saving even more space on Project Explorer window: Add files = green thingy Remove files = red thingy Options = grey thingy Help = blue thingy Hmm I just come up with another idea: alternatively we could remove all these buttons from panel and then make it a menu

Re: [Lazarus] Redundant text on project buttons

2014-10-15 Thread Michael Van Canneyt
On Wed, 15 Oct 2014, Jürgen Hestermann wrote: Am 2014-10-14 um 20:13 schrieb Michael Van Canneyt: On Tue, 14 Oct 2014, Jürgen Hestermann wrote: Am 2014-10-14 um 18:43 schrieb waldo kitty: On 10/14/2014 5:20 AM, hinsta...@yandex.ru wrote: These urgently need to be reduced to icons

Re: [Lazarus] Redundant text on project buttons

2014-10-15 Thread Michael Van Canneyt
On Wed, 15 Oct 2014, hinsta...@yandex.ru wrote: yesss indeed a good idea for saving even more space on Project Explorer window: Add files = green thingy Remove files = red thingy Options = grey thingy Help = blue thingy Hmm I just come up with another idea: alternatively we could remove all

Re: [Lazarus] Redundant text on project buttons

2014-10-15 Thread Kostas Michalopoulos
As a visual person, i prefer icons over text. But those icons have to make sense and be clear, not randomly chosen just to put something that looks nice there. When i am in doubt, i rely on hints. Also text below icons waste space IMO. You only need to learn once what a button does/means (even

Re: [Lazarus] Redundant text on project buttons

2014-10-15 Thread Jürgen Hestermann
Am 2014-10-15 um 18:15 schrieb Kostas Michalopoulos: As a visual person, i prefer icons over text. But those icons have to make sense and be clear, not randomly chosen just to put something that looks nice there. But IMO the majority of icons is meaningless. Some even look very similar

Re: [Lazarus] Redundant text on project buttons

2014-10-15 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 2014-10-15 10:56, Michael Van Canneyt wrote: What is clear to me is that opinions vary, so, if it is changed, the behaviour should be made a setting. At least under *nix systems where Gnome or KDE desktop environments are used, it should really pick such settings up from the system. I

[Lazarus] Redundant text on project buttons

2014-10-14 Thread hinstance
These urgently need to be reduced to icons with no text http://s30.postimg.org/5hxkrzfkx/LWaste.png -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus

Re: [Lazarus] Redundant text on project buttons

2014-10-14 Thread Reinier Olislagers
On 14/10/2014 11:20, hinsta...@yandex.ru wrote: These urgently need to be reduced to icons with no text No, they don't. Icons cannot always indicate exactly what the purpose of a control is - having a text and preferably a hint helps. IIRC, the project inspector has enough vertical space to

Re: [Lazarus] Redundant text on project buttons

2014-10-14 Thread Michael Van Canneyt
On Tue, 14 Oct 2014, Reinier Olislagers wrote: On 14/10/2014 11:20, hinsta...@yandex.ru wrote: These urgently need to be reduced to icons with no text No, they don't. Icons cannot always indicate exactly what the purpose of a control is - having a text and preferably a hint helps. IIRC,

Re: [Lazarus] Redundant text on project buttons

2014-10-14 Thread Reinier Olislagers
On 14/10/2014 11:46, Michael Van Canneyt wrote: On Tue, 14 Oct 2014, Reinier Olislagers wrote: On 14/10/2014 11:20, hinsta...@yandex.ru wrote: These urgently need to be reduced to icons with no text No, they don't. Icons cannot always indicate exactly what the purpose of a control is -

Re: [Lazarus] Redundant text on project buttons

2014-10-14 Thread Michael Van Canneyt
On Tue, 14 Oct 2014, Reinier Olislagers wrote: On 14/10/2014 11:46, Michael Van Canneyt wrote: On Tue, 14 Oct 2014, Reinier Olislagers wrote: On 14/10/2014 11:20, hinsta...@yandex.ru wrote: These urgently need to be reduced to icons with no text No, they don't. Icons cannot always

Re: [Lazarus] Redundant text on project buttons

2014-10-14 Thread Vojtěch Čihák
proper Hint. Usually they have but for example Call Stack doesn't.   Vojtěch  __ Od: hinsta...@yandex.ru Komu: Lazarus mailing list lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org Datum: 14.10.2014 11:21 Předmět: [Lazarus] Redundant text on project

Re: [Lazarus] Redundant text on project buttons

2014-10-14 Thread waldo kitty
On 10/14/2014 5:20 AM, hinsta...@yandex.ru wrote: These urgently need to be reduced to icons with no text http://s30.postimg.org/5hxkrzfkx/LWaste.png why? and why urgently?? my personal preference is text only or text with icon if text only is not available... i never have liked just plain

Re: [Lazarus] Redundant text on project buttons

2014-10-14 Thread Jürgen Hestermann
Am 2014-10-14 um 18:43 schrieb waldo kitty: On 10/14/2014 5:20 AM, hinsta...@yandex.ru wrote: These urgently need to be reduced to icons with no text http://s30.postimg.org/5hxkrzfkx/LWaste.png why? and why urgently?? my personal preference is text only or text with icon if text only is not

Re: [Lazarus] Redundant text on project buttons

2014-10-14 Thread Juha Manninen
There is also a report about it : http://bugs.freepascal.org/view.php?id=22278 Clearly there should be an option for Icon only / Text Only / Both. It should be respected by all IDE windows and not only Project Inspector. Yes, I think '+' and '-' signs are more understandable than most other

Re: [Lazarus] Redundant text on project buttons

2014-10-14 Thread Michael Van Canneyt
On Tue, 14 Oct 2014, Jürgen Hestermann wrote: Am 2014-10-14 um 18:43 schrieb waldo kitty: On 10/14/2014 5:20 AM, hinsta...@yandex.ru wrote: These urgently need to be reduced to icons with no text http://s30.postimg.org/5hxkrzfkx/LWaste.png why? and why urgently?? my personal preference

Re: [Lazarus] Redundant text on project buttons

2014-10-14 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Jürgen Hestermann schrieb: Icons are realy useless. You cannot search for nor filter nor sort them. They eat up space and performance without benefit. I think that they were introduced for the illiterates who can't read. Icons have been introduced for visual people, who organize their