Re: [Lazarus] Making sources compatible with Delphi (but Lazarus is priority)

Am 03.05.2017 um 11:03 schrieb Juha Manninen via Lazarus: > How could this thing be communicated so that people understand? It would probably help if there weren't three different pages about "Unicode Support" on the wiki, all saying slightly different and conflicting things (because they talk

Re: [Lazarus] Making sources compatible with Delphi (but Lazarus is priority)

On 03/05/17 09:52, Graeme Geldenhuys via Lazarus wrote: [rant] ps: Both FPC and Delphi is in such a messed up state when it comes to string and character types. It is the laughing stock of programming languages at the moment. At least EMBT is heading in the right direction with their

Re: [Lazarus] Making sources compatible with Delphi (but Lazarus is priority)

On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 5:59 AM, Graeme Geldenhuys via Lazarus wrote: > On 2017-05-03 01:21, Marcos Douglas B. Santos via Lazarus wrote: >> Sorry about that. I stopped using Delphi at version 7, that uses ANSI. >> I thought that Delphi nowadays was using UTF16. > >

Re: [Lazarus] Making sources compatible with Delphi (but Lazarus is priority)

On Wed, 3 May 2017 13:37:24 +0100 Tony Whyman via Lazarus wrote: >[...] > On the other hand, AnsiString and UnicodeString are still separate > types. Why? Why should there not be a single unified string type with > (e.g.) ASCII, UTF8 and UTF-16 (or MS Unicode)

Re: [Lazarus] Making sources compatible with Delphi (but Lazarus is priority)

Am 03.05.2017 14:37 schrieb "Tony Whyman via Lazarus" < lazarus@lists.lazarus-ide.org>: > On the other hand, AnsiString and UnicodeString are still separate types. Why? Why should there not be a single unified string type with (e.g.) ASCII, UTF8 and UTF-16 (or MS Unicode) being just another code

Re: [Lazarus] Making sources compatible with Delphi (but Lazarus is priority)

Am 03.05.2017 11:34 schrieb "Graeme Geldenhuys via Lazarus" < lazarus@lists.lazarus-ide.org>: > For example, take a look at ConEmu for Windows. > * Tab support built-in > * Resizeable console windows While not point and click you can resize console windows (and the window buffer) without

Re: [Lazarus] Making sources compatible with Delphi (but Lazarus is priority)

On 03.05.2017 21:47, Juha Manninen via Lazarus wrote: How many people are editing their sources in both Delphi and Lazarus? Me, but I keep the files ASCII-only because I need to target all Delphi versions down to D5 :/ My customers really demand it, unfortunately. I'd like to kill these

Re: [Lazarus] Making sources compatible with Delphi (but Lazarus is priority)

On 03.05.2017 21:47, Juha Manninen via Lazarus wrote: > Why Delphi adds the BOM? Why can't it just read the file and > understand it is UTF-8? Probably for the same reason as FPC: the default code page if no BOM is available and no command line option is set and no $codepage directive is found is

Re: [Lazarus] Making sources compatible with Delphi (but Lazarus is priority)

On 2017-05-03 20:47, Juha Manninen via Lazarus wrote: > If you share and edit the sources between Delphi and Lazarus then you > cannot use the full Unicode. Quite comical considering that the FPC team always makes such a big fuss about "we want Delphi compatibility", and now it seems to be

Re: [Lazarus] Making sources compatible with Delphi (but Lazarus is priority)

On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 6:13 AM, Ondrej Pokorny via Lazarus wrote: > Not if you need pre-unicode Delphi support :) > > (Well, Marcos didn't specify what Delphi version he wants to target but he > stated "If Delphi sources don't use UTF8 [...]", which applies to >

Re: [Lazarus] Making sources compatible with Delphi (but Lazarus is priority)

On 2017-05-02 09:30, Juha Manninen via Lazarus wrote: > From FPC's point of view our UTF-8 solution is a hack. FPC's point of view or Marco's point of view? Just curious - so what is FPC’s “correct” solution then for using UTF-8 and the preferred encoding? What's the alternative they offer?

Re: [Lazarus] Making sources compatible with Delphi (but Lazarus is priority)

Marcos Douglas B. Santos wrote: > I am develop on Windows. What problems do you mean? Unicode is recommended also on Windows. No worries. You don't need to use the old system codepages. People who need them must convert them explicitly because the Unicode system of Lazarus does not support them

Re: [Lazarus] Making sources compatible with Delphi (but Lazarus is priority)

On 03.05.2017 11:03, Juha Manninen via Lazarus wrote: I am puzzled why there were so many misleading and confusing replies, also from knowledgeable Lazarus developers. Remember, the question was about making sources compatible with Delphi. The person (Marcos Douglas) did not know details of how

Re: [Lazarus] Making sources compatible with Delphi (but Lazarus is priority)

On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 11:52 AM, Graeme Geldenhuys via Lazarus wrote: > At least EMBT is heading in the right direction with their > Linux Delphi compiler - they completely removed AnsiString. I must agree with you. I hope it will be removed in (far) future when

Re: [Lazarus] Making sources compatible with Delphi (but Lazarus is priority)

On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 12:13 PM, Ondrej Pokorny via Lazarus wrote: > Not if you need pre-unicode Delphi support :) Ok, true. IMO such old Delphi versions should not be used any more for new code. Maintenance tasks only I think. Fortunately there is again a free

Re: [Lazarus] Making sources compatible with Delphi (but Lazarus is priority)

On 2017-05-03 10:25, Ondrej Pokorny via Lazarus wrote: > You can start the console with UTF-8 codepage: > http://stackoverflow.com/questions/14109024/how-to-make-unicode-charset-in-cmd-exe-by-default > > Then you have full unicode (utf-8) support. Or use the much better console alternatives.

Re: [Lazarus] Making sources compatible with Delphi (but Lazarus is priority)

Am 2017-05-03 um 11:34 schrieb Graeme Geldenhuys via Lazarus: > I don't know why anybody would still want to run the standard Windows > console - it is 20 years behind everybody else. The reason: It is available on every Windows machine. The alternatives need to be installed first so scripts

Re: [Lazarus] Making sources compatible with Delphi (but Lazarus is priority)

On 03.05.2017 11:21, Juha Manninen via Lazarus wrote: Windows already supports Unicode in everything ... except for console output! Why is that? You can start the console with UTF-8 codepage: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/14109024/how-to-make-unicode-charset-in-cmd-exe-by-default Then

Re: [Lazarus] Making sources compatible with Delphi (but Lazarus is priority)

On Wed, 3 May 2017 12:03:41 +0300 Juha Manninen via Lazarus wrote: >[...] > Please also look at program LazUnicodeTest in components/lazutils/test/. > It does advanced Unicode stuff and works in both Delphi and Lazarus. I tried it: First it did not compile in