Re: [Lazarus] Google vs Oracle case - does it affect LCL ?

2018-04-15 Thread R0b0t1 via Lazarus
On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 12:58 PM, Dmitry Boyarintsev via Lazarus wrote: > On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 1:24 PM, Michael Van Canneyt via Lazarus > wrote: >> >> Take a routine that converts an integer to a string: Why would you >> force

Re: [Lazarus] Google vs Oracle case - does it affect LCL ?

2018-04-15 Thread Dmitry Boyarintsev via Lazarus
On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 1:24 PM, Michael Van Canneyt via Lazarus < lazarus@lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote: > Take a routine that converts an integer to a string: Why would you > force someone to change what is an obvious name, simply because someone > else already used it ? > I don't think that

Re: [Lazarus] Google vs Oracle case - does it affect LCL ?

2018-04-15 Thread Michael Van Canneyt via Lazarus
On Sun, 15 Apr 2018, Dmitry Boyarintsev via Lazarus wrote: On Sunday, April 15, 2018, Michael Van Canneyt via Lazarus < lazarus@lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote: Of course not. Copyright is theft. Ideas should always be free. API is an implementation of an idea, and it’s up to the author to

Re: [Lazarus] Google vs Oracle case - does it affect LCL ?

2018-04-15 Thread Dmitry Boyarintsev via Lazarus
On Sunday, April 15, 2018, Michael Van Canneyt via Lazarus < lazarus@lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote: > > Of course not. Copyright is theft. Ideas should always be free. API is an implementation of an idea, and it’s up to the author to define license of use. Thanks, Dmitry --

Re: [Lazarus] Google vs Oracle case - does it affect LCL ?

2018-04-15 Thread Michael Van Canneyt via Lazarus
On Sun, 15 Apr 2018, Dmitry Boyarintsev via Lazarus wrote: Btw, the same wikipedia article references POSIX interface. That's actually an example of copyrighted API. In my opinion, having API copyrighted makes sense. Of course not. Copyright is theft. Ideas should always be free. Michael.

Re: [Lazarus] Google vs Oracle case - does it affect LCL ?

2018-04-15 Thread Dmitry Boyarintsev via Lazarus
On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 4:42 AM, Adrian Veith via Lazarus < lazarus@lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote: > there is an article on phoronix > https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item=Oracle- > vs-Google-Wine-API, > which shows that the Google vs Oracle case is concerning Wine developers > because

Re: [Lazarus] Google vs Oracle case - does it affect LCL ?

2018-04-15 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys via Lazarus
On 2018-04-15 14:14, Adrian Veith via Lazarus wrote: > but if there are financial successful applications in the US written in > Lazarus/fpc it might be interesting for them. Creating commercial software, you don't have to divulge what tools you used to develop that software. At least the FPC and

Re: [Lazarus] Google vs Oracle case - does it affect LCL ?

2018-04-15 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys via Lazarus
On 2018-04-15 13:11, Mark Morgan Lloyd via Lazarus wrote: > and copyright is governed > by international treaties. And like Michael said, the majority of FPC and Lazarus developers are all based outside of the USA - and most in the EU. Very different laws in the EU. > Leaving aside the

Re: [Lazarus] Google vs Oracle case - does it affect LCL ?

2018-04-15 Thread Adrian Veith via Lazarus
Am 15.04.2018 um 12:18 schrieb Graeme Geldenhuys via Lazarus: > why would Google, Oracle or Microsoft bother with something > as small as FPC or Lazarus. They just wont - it will be a colossal waste > of time for them with no financial reward. > It wouldn't be Google, Oracle or Microsoft, but

Re: [Lazarus] Google vs Oracle case - does it affect LCL ?

2018-04-15 Thread Mark Morgan Lloyd via Lazarus
On 15/04/18 10:30, Graeme Geldenhuys via Lazarus wrote: On 2018-04-15 09:42, Adrian Veith via Lazarus wrote:> What do you think ? It will never concern or worry use. Why...? If Embarcadero can't evenbother, or simply can't stop Code Typhon in shipping a leaked FMXframework, why would Google,

Re: [Lazarus] Google vs Oracle case - does it affect LCL ?

2018-04-15 Thread Gabriele Cappelletto via Lazarus
It would not be possible to ask embarcadero for permission to use the names of the functions of the old vcl. I think that lazarus will eventually benefit them too, because it makes pascal / delphi better known, and eventually a pascal user can

Re: [Lazarus] Google vs Oracle case - does it affect LCL ?

2018-04-15 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys via Lazarus
On 2018-04-15 09:42, Adrian Veith via Lazarus wrote: > What do you think ? It will never concern or worry use. Why...? If Embarcadero can't even bother, or simply can't stop Code Typhon in shipping a leaked FMX framework, why would Google, Oracle or Microsoft bother with something as small as FPC

Re: [Lazarus] Google vs Oracle case - does it affect LCL ?

2018-04-15 Thread Michael Van Canneyt via Lazarus
On Sun, 15 Apr 2018, Adrian Veith via Lazarus wrote: Hi, there is an article on phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item=Oracle-vs-Google-Wine-API, which shows that the Google vs Oracle case is concerning Wine developers because Wine mimics the Windows-API with the function

[Lazarus] Google vs Oracle case - does it affect LCL ?

2018-04-15 Thread Adrian Veith via Lazarus
Hi, there is an article on phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item=Oracle-vs-Google-Wine-API, which shows that the Google vs Oracle case is concerning Wine developers because Wine mimics the Windows-API with the function names and parameters. Under this light the LCL might also