Re: [Lazarus] High Res Screen, problems with IDE

2016-11-29 Thread Juha Manninen via Lazarus 
On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 9:05 PM, Erwin van den Bosch via Lazarus
 wrote:
> Doesn't sound like an "open" development group of enthusiasts. :-(

People have rights for private communication. Also Lazarus developers
have such rights. I even have private mails which I am NOT going to
show you. How do you feel about that?  :)


> The current problems with Lazarus-IDE as I see it:
> [...]
> Just a few things you can send to the developers list.
> Maybe some of my points make sense, maybe not, but whatever you main
> developers do:
> "keep the fun going!"

Yes, sure!
BTW, your wish list kind of proves that a separate developers list is needed.
Think: If developers tried to discuss an implementation detail here
and most replies would be like yours, the developers would loose their
interest quite soon.

Juha
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Re: [Lazarus] High Res Screen, problems with IDE

2016-11-29 Thread Erwin van den Bosch via Lazarus 

Op 29-11-2016 om 16:57 schreef Juha Manninen via Lazarus:

On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 5:43 PM, Erwin van den Bosch via Lazarus
 wrote:

Where can I read/subscribe to this list?

It is by invitation only.

Doesn't sound like an "open" development group of enthusiasts. :-(

> Ok, it will take some time... does not help for reading this DPI issue.

The current problems with Lazarus-IDE as I see it:
- The IDE looks like something from the year 2002. If new users look at 
the IDE then they

  might think that you can only develop old fashion ugly programs with it.
- IDE doesn't look good on high dpi screen. Form designing is hard on 
high dpi screens.

- The debugger is bad. (can't inspect objects)
- Multiplatform isn't working. No GTK3, no QT5, no Cocoa on the Mac, no 
64 bits on the Mac.
  They only platform that really works is Windows. (but we had Delphi 
already)
- It might be better to drop all those native widgets sets (and the LCL) 
if you can't get it to work

  and put your development energy in the QT framework for all platforms.
- Development is still in subversion SVN. I hate SVN (and i'm not 
alone). Please switch to GIT.

  Nobody is using SVN. Even Microsoft is using GIT! (well...sometimes).
- Stop trying to be compatible with Delphi. Delphi is a non standard. 
Try to make something

  better then Delphi.
- Stop thinking "one size fits all". Lazarus is getting more and more 
behind supporting new
  technologies. It's just to much to cope with (or too few fpc/lazarus 
developers).
- Not important but drop the name Lazarus. I hate religious names. Just 
pick something from
  Star Wars or Star Trek or some other high tech science fiction. Nerds 
and geeks will understand
  this :-). Lazarus in Dutch is a drunken man. Everyone start looking 
odd if I'm saying "I'm

  developing in Lazarus".

Just a few things you can send to the developers list.
Maybe some of my points make sense, maybe not, but whatever you main 
developers do:

"keep the fun going!"

regards,
  Erwin
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Re: [Lazarus] High Res Screen, problems with IDE

2016-11-29 Thread Erwin van den Bosch via Lazarus 

What link? It was about the developer list not this list.

regards,
  Erwin

Op 29-11-2016 om 17:17 schreef Roelof Smelt via Lazarus:

Hello Erwin,

I guess you already saw the last link in this and other posts?


Best regards,
Roelof Smelt

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Subject: Re: [Lazarus] High Res Screen, problems with IDE

Op 29-11-2016 om 15:30 schreef Juha Manninen via Lazarus:

Incidentally there is discussion in developer mailing list about
making Lazarus DPI aware.

Where can I read/subscribe to this list?

regards,
Erwin
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Re: [Lazarus] High Res Screen, problems with IDE

2016-11-29 Thread Juha Manninen via Lazarus 
... but we will write here when there is a plan.
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Re: [Lazarus] High Res Screen, problems with IDE

2016-11-29 Thread Juha Manninen via Lazarus 
On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 5:43 PM, Erwin van den Bosch via Lazarus
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> Where can I read/subscribe to this list?

It is by invitation only.
Start providing patches diligently, finally you will be invited. :)
Ok, it will take some time... does not help for reading this DPI issue.

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Re: [Lazarus] High Res Screen, problems with IDE

2016-11-29 Thread Erwin van den Bosch via Lazarus 

Op 29-11-2016 om 15:30 schreef Juha Manninen via Lazarus:
Incidentally there is discussion in developer mailing list about 
making Lazarus DPI aware.


Where can I read/subscribe to this list?

regards,
  Erwin
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Re: [Lazarus] High Res Screen, problems with IDE

2016-11-29 Thread David Copeland via Lazarus 
I have similar issues on a ThinkPad W550s laptop with a 2880x1620
display, running OpenSuse (13.2). Here I currently have the font DPI
setting at 204.

But no problems at all on my desktop system with 1920x1080 displays.
(DPI setting is default of 96).

Dave.

On 29/11/16 08:18 AM, Erwin van den Bosch via Lazarus wrote:
> I have a macbook pro with (very) high resolution running kubuntu
> linux. And Lazarus doesn't look good.
> All bitmaps are tiny. Some lazarus forms are to small so you have to
> resize them first. The component bar is not high enough so you almost
> can't see or click on the components. I can't resize lazarus mainform.
>
> Codings works great but it's hard to design/edit forms. They are also
> very small.
>
> I have a QT based Lazarus but it's QT4 and still not QT5. I think QT5
> handles high res screens better.
>
> regards,
>   Erwin

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Re: [Lazarus] High Res Screen, problems with IDE

2016-11-29 Thread Erwin van den Bosch via Lazarus 
I have a macbook pro with (very) high resolution running kubuntu linux. 
And Lazarus doesn't look good.
All bitmaps are tiny. Some lazarus forms are to small so you have to 
resize them first. The component bar is not high enough so you almost 
can't see or click on the components. I can't resize lazarus mainform.


Codings works great but it's hard to design/edit forms. They are also 
very small.


I have a QT based Lazarus but it's QT4 and still not QT5. I think QT5 
handles high res screens better.


regards,
  Erwin

Op 29-11-2016 om 11:21 schreef Graeme Geldenhuys via Lazarus:

On 2016-11-28 22:30, Donald Ziesig via Lazarus wrote:

with high screen resolution (1920 x 1080)

These days that's not such a high resolution, so in itself that should
not cause a problem. I run at double that resolution without problems.

What is your desktop DPI setting at?

[~]$ xdpyinfo | grep res
 Present
   resolution:96x96 dots per inch


I would expect Lazarus IDE [in this day and age] to take DPI values in
account and scale accordingly, and not always expect them to be
hard-coded at 96 dpi. Greater than 96dpi is more and more common place
these days.


Regards,
   Graeme



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Re: [Lazarus] High Res Screen, problems with IDE

2016-11-29 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys via Lazarus 
On 2016-11-28 22:30, Donald Ziesig via Lazarus wrote:
> with high screen resolution (1920 x 1080)

These days that's not such a high resolution, so in itself that should
not cause a problem. I run at double that resolution without problems.

What is your desktop DPI setting at?

[~]$ xdpyinfo | grep res
Present
  resolution:96x96 dots per inch


I would expect Lazarus IDE [in this day and age] to take DPI values in
account and scale accordingly, and not always expect them to be
hard-coded at 96 dpi. Greater than 96dpi is more and more common place
these days.


Regards,
  Graeme

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