Re: [Lazarus] cross platform [Re: Lazarus Goal]

2009-11-13 Thread David Emerson
Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: Some quick examples were applications don't follow the look feel rules of the platform, yet users have no problems in using them. * Windows Media Player. * latest Microsoft Office with it's new menu+toolbar design * Pixel image editor. It fakes native look. But

Re: [Lazarus] cross platform [Re: Lazarus Goal]

2009-11-13 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
David Emerson wrote: * almost any antivirus / antispyware program :-) Now that's a good example of awful UI design! I wonder if they actually employee UI designers to purposefully screw the living crap out of their products UI to make cleaning your Windows PC from viruses any harder. The

Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus Goal

2009-11-13 Thread Florian Klaempfl
Brian Prentice schrieb: My point about showing the differences in the dialogs, one acceptable and one clearly not acceptable, is that the solution seems to require the construction of two dialogs one for OS X and one for WindowsXP. Perhaps I'm wrong here but if I'm right this violates the

Re: [Lazarus] cross platform [Re: Lazarus Goal]

2009-11-13 Thread Florian Klaempfl
Graeme Geldenhuys schrieb: Martin wrote: 2) is what Java and fpgui (and afaik msegui) aim for. It is easier for the developper. But the enduser will find an application that is different to any other app he runs on his PC (and therefore harder to use) I guess we will have to agree to

Re: [Lazarus] cross platform [Re: Lazarus Goal]

2009-11-13 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
Florian Klaempfl wrote: Not me ;) E.g. I really hate systems which have switched Ok/Cancel buttons. Ah, so you are one of those users... that don't read the screen and only rely on muscle memory. :-) Hopefully once I have completed to port of MiG layout, that issue would be a thing of the

Re: [Lazarus] cross platform [Re: Lazarus Goal]

2009-11-13 Thread Henry Vermaak
2009/11/13 Graeme Geldenhuys gra...@mastermaths.co.za: Florian Klaempfl wrote: Not me ;) E.g. I really hate systems which have switched Ok/Cancel buttons. Ah, so you are one of those users... that don't read the screen and only rely on muscle memory. :-) Reflex is orders of a magnitude

Re: [Lazarus] cross platform [Re: Lazarus Goal]

2009-11-13 Thread Florian Klaempfl
Graeme Geldenhuys schrieb: Florian Klaempfl wrote: Not me ;) E.g. I really hate systems which have switched Ok/Cancel buttons. Ah, so you are one of those users... that don't read the screen and only rely on muscle memory. :-) Yes, because it's quicker. Or do you look at each key before you

Re: [Lazarus] cross platform [Re: Lazarus Goal]

2009-11-13 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
Florian Klaempfl wrote: Or do you look at each key before you press it :)? OK, you got me on that one. :-) My co-workers hate touching my computer, because I have my keyboard set to Dvorak, but the actual keyboard keys-caps are still in QWERTY. They say I have the best password protection

Re: [Lazarus] Layout [was: Lazarus Goal]

2009-11-13 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Graeme Geldenhuys schrieb: probably know Java has solved this problem nicely with layout managers. If layout managers were implemented in Lazarus the IDE I fully agree, layout managers (or even only one layout manager) would solve this problem. LCL has Anchors (a lot more advanced compared

Re: [Lazarus] Documentation of Lazarus internals

2009-11-13 Thread Juha Manninen
On perjantai, 13. marraskuuta 2009 08:32:22 Mattias Gaertner wrote: There are examples in components/codetools/examples. Ok, I will look at them more closely. It would be nice to look at a class diagram, then a use case diagram and then maybe a sequence diagram to get an idea of how it

Re: [Lazarus] PilotLogic's CodeTyphon (rebranded Lazarus)

2009-11-13 Thread Vincent Snijders
Graeme Geldenhuys schreef: Hi, Has anybody seen this already. It's a software company called PilotLogic, that uses a rebranded (only in some of the screenshots) Lazarus. It includes a custom installation of FPC + Lazarus and various included extra components. They also seem to have a lot more

Re: [Lazarus] cross platform [Re: Lazarus Goal]

2009-11-13 Thread Juha Manninen
My co-workers hate touching my computer, because I have my keyboard set to Dvorak, but the actual keyboard keys-caps are still in QWERTY. That is geeky, I must say. Wow! Juha -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org

[Lazarus] PilotLogic's CodeTyphon (rebranded Lazarus)

2009-11-13 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
Hi, Has anybody seen this already. It's a software company called PilotLogic, that uses a rebranded (only in some of the screenshots) Lazarus. It includes a custom installation of FPC + Lazarus and various included extra components. They also seem to have a lot more demos included. I'm glad to

Re: [Lazarus] QT binding works!

2009-11-13 Thread Juha Manninen
On perjantai, 13. marraskuuta 2009 09:29:20 zeljko wrote: On Thursday 12 November 2009 20:05, David Emerson wrote: Juha Manninen wrote: I compiled the whole Lazarus to use QT widgets and it works! Yes. I've been wanting to do the same, though I failed at my previous attempt. What did

Re: [Lazarus] QT binding works!

2009-11-13 Thread Juha Manninen
http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/index.php/Qt_Interface Looking at the Roadmap page it seems that QT bindings are equally or even better implemented than GTK2 bindings. So why is it made more difficult to install? libqt4intf.so could be included in the SVN source tree and in release

Re: [Lazarus] cross platform [Re: Lazarus Goal]

2009-11-13 Thread Hess, Philip J
From: Hans-Peter Diettrich [drdiettri...@aol.com] Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 6:14 AM To: grae...@opensoft.homeip.net; Lazarus mailing list Subject: Re: [Lazarus] cross platform [Re: Lazarus Goal] This is an argument for a Web (Delphi IntraWeb?)

Re: [Lazarus] QT binding works!

2009-11-13 Thread zeljko
On Friday 13 November 2009 16:35, Juha Manninen wrote: http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/index.php/Qt_Interface Looking at the Roadmap page it seems that QT bindings are equally or even better implemented than GTK2 bindings. So why is it made more difficult to install? libqt4intf.so could

Re: [Lazarus] cross platform [Re: Lazarus Goal]

2009-11-13 Thread Phil Hess
There's a bit more to UI design than layouts. Unfortunately this brings up the idea of aesthetic, something that many developers are vocally uncomfortable with (i.e. challenged). Consider the Preferences dialog in Mac Leopard's Mail client:

[Lazarus] url tag support in fpdoc

2009-11-13 Thread Michael Van Canneyt
Hi, I implemented support for a url href=someurlsometext/url tag in fpdoc (Revision 14167). It can be used to include arbitrary links in fpdoc documentation. It's documented in the current docs. Maybe lazdoc should be adapted to support it ? Michael. --

Re: [Lazarus] cross platform [Re: Lazarus Goal]

2009-11-13 Thread Michael Van Canneyt
On Fri, 13 Nov 2009, Hess, Philip J wrote: From: Hans-Peter Diettrich [drdiettri...@aol.com] Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 6:14 AM To: grae...@opensoft.homeip.net; Lazarus mailing list Subject: Re: [Lazarus] cross platform [Re: Lazarus Goal] This

[Lazarus] make option -j

2009-11-13 Thread Alexander Kaupp
Hello all, I dont know if everyone knows this: I have a dualcore CPU now and was wondering how to use both cores for compiling for example lazarus. make -j2 all uses both cpus and works great with lazarus :) for a quad-core use option: -j4 hope someone finds this useful regards alex

Re: [Lazarus] make option -j

2009-11-13 Thread Alexander Kaupp
Hi Ido, i tested it on fpc-2.2.4 src It seem that it works partial with FPC. Maybe the problem is that the -j option means that 2 tagets will be processed in parallel, if it is possible. I think with FPC it is not allways possible. Compiling works but not all CPUs are used all the time.

Re: [Lazarus] Gentoo does not offer the latest version of Lazarus.

2009-11-13 Thread Vincent Snijders
This email is somehow blocked by mailman, so I forward it to the list. Jonathan schreef: Gentoo still offers Lazarus version 0.9.26. I have filed a version bump request and written a ebuild for Lazarus version 0.9.28.2. You can speed up the fixing of this bug by voting for the version bump bug

[Lazarus] Forms, Project Subversion, Windows 7

2009-11-13 Thread Andrew Brunner
I just encountered the most strangest problem. I've got a situation where form changes I make in the IDE do not effect the form in the actual exe. I didn't have this problem on Linux. I just noticed this problem when I created an SVN (subversion ubuntu x64) repository for my project. Once that

Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus for Intel Mac

2009-11-13 Thread Phil Hess
Brian, I have a one-button mouse that was included with my Mac. Thanks. -Phil - Brian Prentice bprent...@webenet.net wrote: Not sure if I understand what the problem is. With a one-button mouse you simulate right-click with Ctrl+click. I've haven't noticed any problems with it.

Re: [Lazarus] Lazarus for Intel Mac

2009-11-13 Thread dmitry boyarintsev
2009/11/13 Brian Prentice bprent...@webenet.net: I use a three button mouse as I suspect most people do since such a mouse is included with the computer! Brian Phil wanted to point, that one-mouse button was provided with original Apple Macs, for very long time. To access context menu

Re: [Lazarus] Forms, Project Subversion, Windows 7

2009-11-13 Thread Mattias Gaertner
On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 12:24:08 -0600 Andrew Brunner andrew.t.brun...@gmail.com wrote: I just encountered the most strangest problem. I've got a situation where form changes I make in the IDE do not effect the form in the actual exe. I didn't have this problem on Linux. I just noticed this

Re: [Lazarus] make option -j

2009-11-13 Thread Alexander Kaupp
Hi, you are right :) I am happy to see both cpu/cores doing the compiling :) greetings alex Am Freitag, den 13.11.2009, 18:43 + schrieb David W Noon: On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 17:38:20 +0100, Alexander Kaupp wrote about [Lazarus] make option -j: I dont know if everyone knows this: I

Re: [Lazarus] cross platform [Re: Lazarus Goal]

2009-11-13 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
2009/11/13 Phil Hess macp...@fastermac.net: Consider the Preferences dialog in Mac Leopard's Mail client: http://web.fastermac.net/~MacPgmr/Lazarus/Screenshots/mail_prefs.jpg Did you notice the color quoted text comboboxes in the lower left are not equally spaced. I gather that is not an app

Re: [Lazarus] Forms, Project Subversion, Windows 7

2009-11-13 Thread Andrew Brunner
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Mattias Gaertner nc-gaert...@netcologne.de wrote: On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 12:24:08 -0600 Andrew Brunner andrew.t.brun...@gmail.com wrote: Do you have four different folder and each contains the whole project, or do you share some files? The each project are stand

Re: [Lazarus] Forms, Project Subversion, Windows 7

2009-11-13 Thread Mattias Gaertner
On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:41:33 -0600 Andrew Brunner andrew.t.brun...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Mattias Gaertner nc-gaert...@netcologne.de wrote: On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 12:24:08 -0600 Andrew Brunner andrew.t.brun...@gmail.com wrote: Do you have four different folder

Re: [Lazarus] FPC Doc hints

2009-11-13 Thread Mattias Gaertner
On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 00:36:25 +0200 ik ido...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, Since Lazarus 0.9.28 there is a hint of FPCDoc . The hint is a popup window with some sort of TSynEdit (?). Normally it is a TLabel. If you install the turbopower ipro package, it is html component. Is there a way to

Re: [Lazarus] Forms, Project Subversion, Windows 7

2009-11-13 Thread Andrew Brunner
Either an old lrs file or a resource with the same name exists This must have been the reason. I added *.lrs to the global ignore for TortoiseSVN on my client box. Then I deleted *.lrs from SVN. Then I deleted *.lrs from my local box. Commited changes. And it it found the latest and greatest

Re: [Lazarus] make option -j

2009-11-13 Thread David W Noon
On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 23:47:10 +0100, Marc Weustink wrote about Re: [Lazarus] make option -j: [snip] All lcl units are compiled by fpc through the allunits.pp project (we use this to let fpc figure out the dependencies) The same counts for the ide. I hope when specifying -j2 it builds the lcl

Re: [Lazarus] make option -j

2009-11-13 Thread Henry Vermaak
2009/11/14 David W Noon david.w.n...@ntlworld.com: On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 23:47:10 +0100, Marc Weustink wrote about Re: [Lazarus] make option -j: [snip] All lcl units are compiled by fpc through the allunits.pp project (we use this to let fpc figure out the dependencies) The same counts for

Re: [Lazarus] QT binding works!

2009-11-13 Thread David Emerson
I've done all this, but at the very beginning of the compilation, I get: make[2]: *** [../../units/i386-linux/qt] Error 1 and it gives up. Using debian stable, kde 3.5.9/10. Tried with the packaged lazarus 0.9.28.2-0 as well as svn $ /sbin/ldconfig -p | grep qt libqt4intf.so.5 (libc6)

Re: [Lazarus] cross platform [Re: Lazarus Goal]

2009-11-13 Thread Henry Vermaak
2009/11/13 Graeme Geldenhuys graemeg.li...@gmail.com: 2009/11/13 Phil Hess macp...@fastermac.net: Consider the Preferences dialog in Mac Leopard's Mail client: http://web.fastermac.net/~MacPgmr/Lazarus/Screenshots/mail_prefs.jpg Did you notice the color quoted text comboboxes in the lower