Re: [Lazarus] Debugging Lazarus IDE (Package access violation)
On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 16:19:18 +0300 Max Vlasov max.vla...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 3:12 PM, Mattias Gaertner nc-gaert...@netcologne.de wrote: By the way, the bug listed as solved ( http://bugs.freepascal.org/view.php?id=17437) probably still exist. Actually the makefiles in the folder \components\lazcontrols are the only one that occasionally contains extra relative up and after that Lazarus down (../../../Lazarus/lcl instead of ../../lcl), That probably means you are mixing packages from two Lazarus source directories. This is allowed, although in case of lazcontrols this is almost always a bad idea. I'm not sure where to put a warning for this case. Mattias, you were right, I was too fast at the statement of the bug existence, and it seems that there a reason why this makefiles were changed. The package lazcontrols had auto create makefile enabled. I disabled it. Initially I opened lazarus.lpi with lazarus 9.28.2, he showed an error in dividerbevel.pas about overriding non-existent method, after that I saw that it's not a good idea trying to compile new lazarus with an old one and went fpc make way, but it looks like this makefiles were automatically managed by the lazarus, that corrected the pathes, right? So the changes I made in the IDE made this mix possible. I just tried to reproduce it from start and yes, the files are changed right after pressing F9 in the old IDE. The only thing that makes me sad is that there were no save buttons pressed and nevertheless an irreversible change are made to the files (SVN Update no longer download correct versions). I suppose there's no chance for disk-based utilities work other way (for example changing makefile it memory), but can this automatic management be controlled by me in some way? It's a compiler option of each package. By default it is disabled. Mattias -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Debugging Lazarus IDE (Package access violation)
On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 10:26 AM, Paul Ishenin i...@kmiac.ru wrote: 23.11.2010 13:54, Max Vlasov пишет: I suppose I should report an issue, but just wondering, is it hard (if it full reproducible) to run another instance of Lazarus and debug it, so the report could contain more information saving the developers' time? Nothing difficult. Open lazarus.lpi in lazarus and press Run. Better to have RTL compiled with debug info. Thanks, Paul Finally it worked although along the way I managed to solve some problems and set up two instances of Lazarus working at the same comp. By the way, the bug listed as solved ( http://bugs.freepascal.org/view.php?id=17437) probably still exist. Actually the makefiles in the folder \components\lazcontrols are the only one that occasionally contains extra relative up and after that Lazarus down (../../../Lazarus/lcl instead of ../../lcl), so there's no problem for those who have the root compilation folder named accordingly and the one who has it different (mine was LazComp and nearby older lazarus in Lazarus folder, so I got wrong unit version error since lcl in that folder was older-compiled). Should I just leave a note there or issue a new bug? Max Vlasov -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Debugging Lazarus IDE (Package access violation)
On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 15:04:24 +0300 Max Vlasov max.vla...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 10:26 AM, Paul Ishenin i...@kmiac.ru wrote: 23.11.2010 13:54, Max Vlasov пишет: I suppose I should report an issue, but just wondering, is it hard (if it full reproducible) to run another instance of Lazarus and debug it, so the report could contain more information saving the developers' time? Nothing difficult. Open lazarus.lpi in lazarus and press Run. Better to have RTL compiled with debug info. Thanks, Paul Finally it worked although along the way I managed to solve some problems and set up two instances of Lazarus working at the same comp. By the way, the bug listed as solved ( http://bugs.freepascal.org/view.php?id=17437) probably still exist. Actually the makefiles in the folder \components\lazcontrols are the only one that occasionally contains extra relative up and after that Lazarus down (../../../Lazarus/lcl instead of ../../lcl), That probably means you are mixing packages from two Lazarus source directories. This is allowed, although in case of lazcontrols this is almost always a bad idea. I'm not sure where to put a warning for this case. so there's no problem for those who have the root compilation folder named accordingly and the one who has it different (mine was LazComp and nearby older lazarus in Lazarus folder, so I got wrong unit version error since lcl in that folder was older-compiled). Should I just leave a note there or issue a new bug? Mattias -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Debugging Lazarus IDE (Package access violation)
On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 3:12 PM, Mattias Gaertner nc-gaert...@netcologne.de wrote: By the way, the bug listed as solved ( http://bugs.freepascal.org/view.php?id=17437) probably still exist. Actually the makefiles in the folder \components\lazcontrols are the only one that occasionally contains extra relative up and after that Lazarus down (../../../Lazarus/lcl instead of ../../lcl), That probably means you are mixing packages from two Lazarus source directories. This is allowed, although in case of lazcontrols this is almost always a bad idea. I'm not sure where to put a warning for this case. Mattias, you were right, I was too fast at the statement of the bug existence, and it seems that there a reason why this makefiles were changed. Initially I opened lazarus.lpi with lazarus 9.28.2, he showed an error in dividerbevel.pas about overriding non-existent method, after that I saw that it's not a good idea trying to compile new lazarus with an old one and went fpc make way, but it looks like this makefiles were automatically managed by the lazarus, that corrected the pathes, right? So the changes I made in the IDE made this mix possible. I just tried to reproduce it from start and yes, the files are changed right after pressing F9 in the old IDE. The only thing that makes me sad is that there were no save buttons pressed and nevertheless an irreversible change are made to the files (SVN Update no longer download correct versions). I suppose there's no chance for disk-based utilities work other way (for example changing makefile it memory), but can this automatic management be controlled by me in some way? Max Vlasov -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Debugging Lazarus IDE (Package access violation)
On Tuesday 23 November 2010 07:54, Max Vlasov wrote: Hi, I encountered several times when Package window fired access violation on different operations. I suppose I should report an issue, but just wondering, is it hard (if it full reproducible) to run another instance of Lazarus and debug it, so the report could contain more information saving the developers' time? Or at least recompile it with an option allowing to show additional information about the error , not only simple access violation message? What widgetset ? zeljko -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Debugging Lazarus IDE (Package access violation)
23.11.2010 13:54, Max Vlasov пишет: I suppose I should report an issue, but just wondering, is it hard (if it full reproducible) to run another instance of Lazarus and debug it, so the report could contain more information saving the developers' time? Nothing difficult. Open lazarus.lpi in lazarus and press Run. Better to have RTL compiled with debug info. Best regards, Paul Ishenin -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
