Re: [LEAPSECS] Ghosts of Leap-seconds past and future

2010-12-28 Thread Richard B. Langley
I have been asked to remind list members of the presentation by Ron Beard, the chairman of ITU-R Working Party 7A, at ION GNSS 2010. The PowerPoint slides can be downloaded from here: http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/pdf/cgsicMeetings/50/%5B16%5DITU_Status_UTC_Revision_CGSIC_50th.pdf. Here are

Re: [LEAPSECS] Ghosts of Leap-seconds past and future

2010-12-28 Thread Steve Allen
On 2010 Dec 28, at 04:56, Richard B. Langley wrote: Documents demonstrate a clear misunderstanding of the definitions and applications of time scales and system times for internal synchronization o Indications that users have the choice between UTC, TAI, UT1, GPS Time for their applications

Re: [LEAPSECS] Ghosts of Leap-seconds past and future

2010-12-28 Thread Michael Deckers
On 2010-12-28 12:56, Richard B. Langley wrote: I have been asked to remind list members of the presentation by Ron Beard, the chairman of ITU-R Working Party 7A, at ION GNSS 2010. The PowerPoint slides can be downloaded from here:

Re: [LEAPSECS] Ghosts of Leap-seconds past and future

2010-12-28 Thread Steve Allen
On 2010 Dec 28, at 08:21, Steve Allen wrote: By the nature of its charter the ITU-R is incapable of serving a role of giving guidance. That seems to me what Dave Finkleman has been starting to do. In this case guidance, and time for engineers and systems to adapt to handle a change, is more

Re: [LEAPSECS] Ghosts of Leap-seconds past and future

2010-12-28 Thread Tony Finch
On 28 Dec 2010, at 16:27, Michael Deckers michael.deck...@yahoo.com wrote: [b] This proposal does not only change technicalities like the maximal difference |UTC - UT|, but it changes several other things (more important things, in my opinion). For instance, it removes

Re: [LEAPSECS] Ghosts of Leap-seconds past and future

2010-12-28 Thread Rob Seaman
On Dec 28, 2010, at 5:56 AM, Richard B. Langley wrote: I have been asked to remind list members of the presentation by Ron Beard, the chairman of ITU-R Working Party 7A, at ION GNSS 2010. Thanks for forwarding this. Here are the conclusions, summary, and actions from the presentation:

Re: [LEAPSECS] Ghosts of Leap-seconds past and future

2010-12-28 Thread Steve Allen
On 2010 Dec 28, at 10:33, Tony Finch wrote: Do practical systems get DUT1 from time broadcasts or from files downloaded from the Internet? For the Shane 3-m telescope (built like a battleship, points like a battleship) DUT1 is irrelevant. For the 21st century computer-controlled subarcsecond

Re: [LEAPSECS] Ghosts of Leap-seconds past and future

2010-12-28 Thread Warner Losh
On 12/28/2010 11:33, Tony Finch wrote: On 28 Dec 2010, at 16:27, Michael Deckers michael.deck...@yahoo.com mailto:michael.deck...@yahoo.com wrote: [b] This proposal does not only change technicalities like the maximal difference |UTC - UT|, but it changes several other things

Re: [LEAPSECS] Ghosts of Leap-seconds past and future

2010-12-28 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 4d1a3358.8070...@bsdimp.com, Warner Losh writes: Is the DUT1 broadcast a vestige of the past, or is it actively used? I belive that the British 60kHz Rugby transmitter regularly have been transmitting out-of-date DUT1 values due to sloppy procedures. That would indicate that it is

Re: [LEAPSECS] Ghosts of Leap-seconds past and future

2010-12-28 Thread Rob Seaman
On Dec 28, 2010, at 12:11 PM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: I belive that the British 60kHz Rugby transmitter regularly have been transmitting out-of-date DUT1 values due to sloppy procedures. That would indicate that it is not a very important part of their data. Not currently, perhaps...