Thanks very much Steve. Great info
On 2014-01-11 10:45 PM, Steve Allen wrote:
On Sat 2014-01-11T21:43:02 -0800, Brooks Harris hath writ:
Any help getting to the bottom of this appreciated.
It's history, and it's confused. Measurement techniques were crude
and people were not cognizant
On 2014-01-11 11:47 PM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
In message 52d20beb.60...@edlmax.com, Brooks Harris writes:
Yes, in my opinion its unfortunate they chose to use the term UTC in
that context.
They chose UTC because they meant UTC.
I have this directly from multiple persons who were involved
On 2014-01-12 12:30 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
In message 52d251b5.4060...@edlmax.com, Brooks Harris writes:
4. The origin of International Atomic Time is
defined in conformance with the recommendations
of the International Astronomical Union (13th
General Assembly, Prague, 1967) that is,
In message 52d257b6.6090...@edlmax.com, Brooks Harris writes:
But time_t has always been UTC, because it was meant to be UTC.
Oh, I see what you're saying. Of course - UTC in the historical non-Leap
Second period existed, and they intended time_t to reflect it.
Nice try to twist things to
On Sun, 12 Jan 2014 10:58:40 +, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
In message 52d257b6.6090...@edlmax.com, Brooks Harris writes:
But time_t has always been UTC, because it was meant to be UTC.
Oh, I see what you're saying. Of course - UTC in the historical non-Leap
Second period existed, and
On Sun 2014-01-12T00:26:29 -0800, Brooks Harris hath writ:
I had seen refernce to the fact the 1958 origin was retroactively
declared, and this might throw light on why there is a gap in the
TIA/UTC tables between 1958 and 1961. So I was hunting for the
actual statement in the standards.
In message 52d2e6f5.2030...@edlmax.com, Brooks Harris writes:
I think I understand you. You are saying that UTC as a term for the
I'm saying that UTC is Universal Time Coordinated, such as defined
and used by telcos for a decade by the time UNIX was written.
What was inside UTC didn't mater to
On 2014-01-12 11:33 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
In message 52d2e6f5.2030...@edlmax.com, Brooks Harris writes:
I think I understand you. You are saying that UTC as a term for the
I'm saying that UTC is Universal Time Coordinated, such as defined
and used by telcos for a decade by the time
On 01/12/2014 02:47 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
In message 52d20beb.60...@edlmax.com, Brooks Harris writes:
Yes, in my opinion its unfortunate they chose to use the term UTC in
that context.
They chose UTC because they meant UTC.
I have this directly from multiple persons who were
In message 52d2fe51.40...@cox.net, Greg Hennessy writes:
On 01/12/2014 02:47 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
In message 52d20beb.60...@edlmax.com, Brooks Harris writes:
Yes, in my opinion its unfortunate they chose to use the term UTC in
that context.
They chose UTC because they meant UTC.
I
On Jan 12, 2014, at 2:01 AM, Brooks Harris wrote:
I'm not sure if there is a connection either. When did LORAN-C adopt 1958?
I can't answer definitively on when, but can point the way to what I know.
LORAN-C is defined by COMDTINST M16562.4A. Quoting from chapter 2:
This epoch is from 0 hr, 0
On Jan 12, 2014, at 4:01 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
In message 52d259db.4000...@edlmax.com, Brooks Harris writes:
I'm not sure if there is a connection, and if there is, which way
it might go, but that is also the (theoretical) time of coincidence
of all LORAN-C chains.
I'm not sure
On Sun, 12 Jan 2014 15:42:57 -0500, Greg Hennessy wrote:
On 01/12/2014 02:47 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
In message 52d20beb.60...@edlmax.com, Brooks Harris writes:
Yes, in my opinion its unfortunate they chose to use the term UTC in
that context.
They chose UTC because they meant UTC.
Joseph Gwinn joegw...@comcast.net wrote:
In the UNIX before POSIX, it was GMT.
Your use of the past tense is incorrect. In non-POSIX UNIX, it (the
system time definition) *is* GMT, present tense. See my previous
post.
VLR,
SF
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On Sun, 12 Jan 2014 22:18:41 GMT, Michael Spacefalcon wrote:
Joseph Gwinn joegw...@comcast.net wrote:
In the UNIX before POSIX, it was GMT.
Your use of the past tense is incorrect. In non-POSIX UNIX, it (the
system time definition) *is* GMT, present tense. See my previous
post.
Well,
On 01/12/2014 05:12 PM, Warner Losh wrote:
GMT and UTC were used interchangeably well into the 1990s, especially in
publication not subject to peer review of subject experts...
People still use them interchangeably TODAY, however the people doing so
are incorrect.
We can't agree on how to
On 01/12/2014 05:14 PM, Joseph Gwinn wrote:
It sounds like you are rewriting history.
No, he isn't. In the UNIX before POSIX, it was GMT. When the first
POSIX standard was developed, GMT had been deprecated in favor of UTC,
so POSIX changed to UTC.
POSIX changed to calling something
On 01/12/2014 06:12 PM, Joseph Gwinn wrote:
Getting true GMT (~UT1) is a bit more work that
would seem necessary for 99.999% of users.
Well, 99.999 percent of users don't want or need
a PL/1 compiler, but I don't think that is a good
reason for saying that they can't have one.
Likewise,
On Sun 2014-01-12T11:46:16 -0800, Brooks Harris hath writ:
So it appears the reference to the International Astronomical Union (13th
General Assembly, Prague, 1967) is where the recommendations from
BIH come to the statement in
l.A.2. Recommendations of the 5th Session
of the Consultative
Joseph Gwinn joegw...@comcast.net wrote:
Well, yes, but I guess it's a bit of hair splitting. The UNIX docs may
well still say GMT, but I bet what they really use is UTC, as that's
what's distributed.
Using UTC as a *realisation* of GMT is acceptable only for as long as
UTC remains a *good
In message 52d2f909.9080...@edlmax.com, Brooks Harris writes:
I'm saying that UTC is Universal Time Coordinated, such as defined
and used by telcos for a decade by the time UNIX was written.
What was inside UTC didn't mater to them, UTC was the accepted
international timescale and they used
On 12 Jan, 2014, at 15:42 , Greg Hennessy greg.henne...@cox.net wrote:
On 01/12/2014 02:47 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
In message 52d20beb.60...@edlmax.com, Brooks Harris writes:
Yes, in my opinion its unfortunate they chose to use the term UTC in
that context.
They chose UTC because
On 12/01/14 09:26, Brooks Harris wrote:
Thanks very much Steve. Great info
On 2014-01-11 10:45 PM, Steve Allen wrote:
On Sat 2014-01-11T21:43:02 -0800, Brooks Harris hath writ:
Any help getting to the bottom of this appreciated.
It's history, and it's confused. Measurement techniques
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