Re: [LEAPSECS] the big artillery

2014-11-03 Thread Zefram
Warner Losh wrote: TAI and UTC have a fixed offset relationship, it is true. However, UTC is computed in real time (with several varieties to choose from if you care about the nano-seconds), but TAI is a retrospective timescale that's not computed until after the fact. These two notions conflict:

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2014-11-03 Thread Richard Langley
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Re: [LEAPSECS] the big artillery

2014-11-03 Thread Warner Losh
On Nov 3, 2014, at 3:35 AM, Zefram zef...@fysh.org wrote: Warner Losh wrote: TAI and UTC have a fixed offset relationship, it is true. However, UTC is computed in real time (with several varieties to choose from if you care about the nano-seconds), but TAI is a retrospective timescale that's

Re: [LEAPSECS] the big artillery

2014-11-03 Thread Greg Hennessy
On 11/03/2014 10:13 AM, Warner Losh wrote: UTC realized from the labs of NIST will have a small offset from the UTC realized from NRAO. Did you mean USNO where you typed NRAO? ___ LEAPSECS mailing list LEAPSECS@leapsecond.com

Re: [LEAPSECS] the big artillery

2014-11-03 Thread Warner Losh
On Nov 3, 2014, at 8:19 AM, Greg Hennessy greg.henne...@cox.net wrote: On 11/03/2014 10:13 AM, Warner Losh wrote: UTC realized from the labs of NIST will have a small offset from the UTC realized from NRAO. Did you mean USNO where you typed NRAO? Yes. My bad. Warner signature.asc

Re: [LEAPSECS] the big artillery

2014-11-03 Thread Brooks Harris
Hi Micheal, On 2014-11-03 02:43 AM, michael.deckers via LEAPSECS wrote: On 2014-10-31 17:39, Brooks Harris wrote: Yes. Its primary timescale, sometimes called PTP Time, more properly the PTP Timescale, is a TAI-like counter (uninterrupted incrementing count of seconds). Note its origin, or

Re: [LEAPSECS] the big artillery

2014-11-03 Thread Warner Losh
On Nov 3, 2014, at 11:11 AM, Brooks Harris bro...@edlmax.com wrote: CAUTION about the PTP Epoch. Its not just nitpicking”. ... We've been advised by PTP experts that A) yes, its confusing, and B) most implementations use a integral-second interpretation, as in Table B.1. I understand the

Re: [LEAPSECS] the big artillery

2014-11-03 Thread Brooks Harris
On 2014-11-03 02:19 PM, Warner Losh wrote: On Nov 3, 2014, at 11:11 AM, Brooks Harris bro...@edlmax.com wrote: CAUTION about the PTP Epoch. Its not just nitpicking. ... We've been advised by PTP experts that A) yes, its confusing, and B) most implementations use a integral-second

Re: [LEAPSECS] the big artillery

2014-11-03 Thread Warner Losh
On Nov 3, 2014, at 12:53 PM, Brooks Harris bro...@edlmax.com wrote: On 2014-11-03 02:19 PM, Warner Losh wrote: On Nov 3, 2014, at 11:11 AM, Brooks Harris bro...@edlmax.com wrote: CAUTION about the PTP Epoch. Its not just nitpicking”. ... We've been advised by PTP experts that A)

Re: [LEAPSECS] the big artillery

2014-11-03 Thread Brooks Harris
On 2014-11-03 03:04 PM, Warner Losh wrote: On Nov 3, 2014, at 12:53 PM, Brooks Harris bro...@edlmax.com wrote: On 2014-11-03 02:19 PM, Warner Losh wrote: On Nov 3, 2014, at 11:11 AM, Brooks Harris bro...@edlmax.com wrote: CAUTION about the PTP Epoch. Its not just nitpicking. ...

Re: [LEAPSECS] the big artillery

2014-11-03 Thread Warner Losh
On Nov 3, 2014, at 1:37 PM, Brooks Harris bro...@edlmax.com wrote: On 2014-11-03 03:04 PM, Warner Losh wrote: On Nov 3, 2014, at 12:53 PM, Brooks Harris bro...@edlmax.com wrote: On 2014-11-03 02:19 PM, Warner Losh wrote: On Nov 3, 2014, at 11:11 AM, Brooks Harris

Re: [LEAPSECS] the big artillery

2014-11-03 Thread Dennis Ferguson
On 3 Nov, 2014, at 07:13 , Warner Losh i...@bsdimp.com wrote: TAI is a paper clock. You can convert your time stamps you get today from your atomic clock to TAI time stamps once the offsets (phase and frequency) have been determined for your clock by comparing it to all the others in the data

Re: [LEAPSECS] the big artillery

2014-11-03 Thread Warner Losh
On Nov 3, 2014, at 3:03 PM, Dennis Ferguson dennis.c.fergu...@gmail.com wrote: On 3 Nov, 2014, at 07:13 , Warner Losh i...@bsdimp.com wrote: TAI is a paper clock. You can convert your time stamps you get today from your atomic clock to TAI time stamps once the offsets (phase and frequency)

Re: [LEAPSECS] the big artillery

2014-11-03 Thread Brooks Harris
On 2014-11-03 04:50 PM, Warner Losh wrote: On Nov 3, 2014, at 1:37 PM, Brooks Harris bro...@edlmax.com wrote: On 2014-11-03 03:04 PM, Warner Losh wrote: On Nov 3, 2014, at 12:53 PM, Brooks Harris bro...@edlmax.com wrote: On 2014-11-03 02:19 PM, Warner Losh wrote: On Nov 3, 2014, at

Re: [LEAPSECS] the big artillery

2014-11-03 Thread michael.deckers via LEAPSECS
On 2014-11-03 01:58, Warner Losh wrote: A common grid is an artificial construct that measurements from different clocks can be interpolated to. The top of second (or other phase) measurements place place the top of second in time. Interpolating to a grid places the time of each time scale