Re: [LEAPSECS] A leap second proposal to consider -- LSEM

2010-11-05 Thread Michael Deckers
On 2010-11-04 21:46, Zefram wrote: There is a recent near-renaming that shows the way: the modern form of Sidereal Time is known as Earth Rotation Angle. This name is accurate in some important ways: it's specific to Earth, and it's not time at all

Re: [LEAPSECS] A leap second proposal to consider -- LSEM

2010-11-04 Thread Michael Deckers
On 2010-11-03 23:31, Steve Allen remarked: I see the point of mean solar time not as how accurately does the expression represent the sun over the earth? but as does the expression even try to represent the sun over the earth?. I think that the discussions and intentions surrounding

Re: [LEAPSECS] A leap second proposal to consider -- LSEM

2010-11-04 Thread Rob Seaman
We often get lost on this list in the details of legal or physical timescales. Astronomers need to know such details. Civilians need a simple mechanism. The current civil timescale cleverly provides access to both interval time and a measure of mean solar time in a single pragmatic

Re: [LEAPSECS] A leap second proposal to consider -- LSEM

2010-11-04 Thread Tom Van Baak
All forms of UT1 have been direct measures of earth rotation. One can argue about zero points and drifts, but the underlying purpose of UT1 is to monitor rotation with a value that tracks where the sun is over the earth. In that sense UT1 tries to be a form of mean solar time, so it merits a

Re: [LEAPSECS] A leap second proposal to consider -- LSEM

2010-11-04 Thread Rob Seaman
On Nov 4, 2010, at 2:36 PM, Tom Van Baak wrote: Since there are quite a few more cesium atoms than there are planet earth's one could argue that atomic time scales are more universal than an earth/sun rotation/revolution-based scale, no? No. ___

Re: [LEAPSECS] A leap second proposal to consider -- LSEM

2010-11-03 Thread Tom Van Baak
. The newcomers to the list may enjoy: http://www.leapsecond.com/museum/earth/ /tvb - Original Message - From: Rob Seaman sea...@noao.edu To: Leap Second Discussion List leapsecs@leapsecond.com Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 11:06 PM Subject: Re: [LEAPSECS] A leap second proposal

Re: [LEAPSECS] A leap second proposal to consider -- LSEM

2010-11-03 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 7ebbba3729a346d5b0aeb73d6d73b...@pc52, Tom Van Baak writes: What would happen if instead of getting rid of leap seconds we had *more* of them? It really depends on only one thing: How long time in advance do you announce which way the leapsecond goes for a given month ? If we get 10

Re: [LEAPSECS] A leap second proposal to consider -- LSEM

2010-11-03 Thread Steve Allen
On 2010 Nov 3, at 00:18, Tom Van Baak wrote: Thanks for that link (and thanks to Steve for the old USNO archive). The particular presentation of those old files was something I created as an experiment. I don't like the presentation and I may rearrange the URLs for easier scanning by humans.

Re: [LEAPSECS] A leap second proposal to consider -- LSEM

2010-11-03 Thread Rob Seaman
Hi Tom, The key point of LSEM is that 100% of the months would have leap seconds, I think this is a previously undiscussed option. When +/- dithering came up before (when the world and we were younger) the idea was that a leap second would rather amount to the omission of one of the normal

Re: [LEAPSECS] A leap second proposal to consider -- LSEM

2010-11-03 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 0859717c-0eb7-4af8-bb4d-38f657144...@noao.edu, Rob Seaman writes: Universal Time *means* mean solar time. It probably did in the 1800's, in these days of Lego-toys on Mars, most people I have talked to, find it utterly strange that a timescale with universal in it, depends on one

Re: [LEAPSECS] A leap second proposal to consider -- LSEM

2010-11-03 Thread Michael Deckers
On 2010-11-03 18:43, Poul-Henning Kamp observed on a remark by Rob Seaman: Universal Time *means* mean solar time. It probably did in the 1800's, in these days of Lego-toys on Mars, most people I have talked to, find it utterly strange that a timescale with universal in it,