Re: a system that fails spectacularly

2005-12-09 Thread Clive D.W. Feather
Steve Allen said:
> This became a long-running joke in the morris dance community.  A few
> years back some English town councils decided to become ISO 9000
> compliant.  That required them to ascertain that all of their
> sub-contractors were also compliant.

Actually, it does nothing of the sort.

An organisation going for qualification must set up an ISO 9000 boundary.
Everything inside must conform to the processes, so anything coming in
through the boundary must be assessed each time it comes in.

The boundary can go around more than one organisation. So many organisations
find it easier to force their suppliers and sub-contractors inside the
boundary than to deal with stuff coming in. In other words, it's easier to
only buy widgets from ISO 9000 compliant suppliers than to provide an
inbound widget quality test department.

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Re: a system that fails spectacularly

2005-12-09 Thread Clive D.W. Feather
M. Warner Losh said:
> >> * A second is represented by an integer from 0 to 61;
[...]
> >> but this specification
> >> follows the date and time conventions for ISO C.

Of course, ISO C fixed this misunderstanding many years ago.

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Re: a system that fails spectacularly

2005-12-09 Thread David Harper

Clive D.W. Feather wrote:

Steve Allen said:


This became a long-running joke in the morris dance community.  A few
years back some English town councils decided to become ISO 9000
compliant.  That required them to ascertain that all of their
sub-contractors were also compliant.



Actually, it does nothing of the sort.


On the other hand, the idea of ISO 9000 compliant Morris dancers is a
very funny one. Presumably, they'd have to standardise the size of their
pig's bladders. There's a Monty Python sketch just waiting to be written.

I'm guessing that their level of ISO 9000 compliance falls in inverse
proportion to the amount of beer they drink. As does their likelihood of
observing leap seconds correctly.

David Harper

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Re: a system that fails spectacularly

2005-12-09 Thread Peter Bunclark
On Fri, 9 Dec 2005, Clive D.W. Feather wrote:
> boundary than to deal with stuff coming in. In other words, it's easier to
> only buy widgets from ISO 9000 compliant suppliers than to provide an
> inbound widget quality test department.

>From what I understand from some of the recent emails, you would not have
to provide an inbound widget quality test department, but rather an
inbound widget manufacturer's quality control procedure test department.

This is to keep consistency with the model that ISO9000 compliance means
your products can be crap as long as you document how you arrive at that
assessment.

Pete.


Re: a system that fails spectacularly

2005-12-09 Thread Daniel R. Tobias
On 9 Dec 2005 at 10:42, David Harper wrote:

> On the other hand, the idea of ISO 9000 compliant Morris dancers is a
> very funny one. Presumably, they'd have to standardise the size of
> their pig's bladders. There's a Monty Python sketch just waiting to be
> written.
>
> I'm guessing that their level of ISO 9000 compliance falls in inverse
> proportion to the amount of beer they drink. As does their likelihood
> of observing leap seconds correctly.

But if they fail to observe the leap second properly, the timing and
synchronization of the dancers will be off, and they might collide
catastrophically into one another!  We must fix this danger right
away!

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Re: a system that fails spectacularly

2005-12-09 Thread M. Warner Losh
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"Clive D.W. Feather" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
: M. Warner Losh said:
: > >> * A second is represented by an integer from 0 to 61;
: [...]
: > >> but this specification
: > >> follows the date and time conventions for ISO C.
:
: Of course, ISO C fixed this misunderstanding many years ago.

True, but the Java spec that was referenced didn't...

Warner