Re: text book example why Leapseconds are bad

2006-01-02 Thread Peter Bunclark
And these "Rocket Scientists" can't even spell. Perhaps they can't read,
either. Surely 5 decades into the space age there exists a "How to build a
Spacecraft" text book with a chapter on timescales?

Pete.

On Mon, 2 Jan 2006, Greg Hennessy wrote:

> Textbook example of using the right tool for the job.
> If you need TAI and use UTC, don't blame the problem on the
> leap seconds.
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> On Sun, 2006-01-01 at 11:29 +0100, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
> > http://lheawww.gsfc.nasa.gov/users/ebisawa/ASCAATTITUDE/
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Re: text book example why Leapseconds are bad

2006-01-02 Thread Greg Hennessy
Textbook example of using the right tool for the job.
If you need TAI and use UTC, don't blame the problem on the
leap seconds.



On Sun, 2006-01-01 at 11:29 +0100, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
> http://lheawww.gsfc.nasa.gov/users/ebisawa/ASCAATTITUDE/
>
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Re: NTP behavior in Australia

2006-01-02 Thread David Malone
> I grabbed a set if IP#'s from pool.ntp.org and monitored them in the 24
> hours before and 8 hours after the leap.

I did something similar using the public NTP server lists on the
ntp wiki. I'm still collecting the data, but I have some plots of
what's happening with the leap bits at:

http://www.maths.tcd.ie/~dwmalone/time/leap2005.html

It wasn't really until 24 hours before that a significant number
of servers were advertising the leap, peaking in the last measurement
before the leap. Interestingly, one server actually advertised a
leap in the wrong direction!

After the leap it looks like more stratum 1 servers were unsynchronised
than usual, though that seems to have setteled down a bit now. The
number of people with the leap bits set is dropping, but isn't quite
zero yet.

I have the peers information from out local ntp server around the
leap.  Our server did the right thing, but it looks like there were
a number of others that didn't. I haven't figured out how to visualise
that yet.

David.


Re: NTP behavior in Australia

2006-01-02 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Steve Allen writes:
>Here is one indication of NTP response to the presence of low stratum
>servers which did not behave well.
>
>http://members.iinet.net.au/~nathanael/ntpd/leap-second.html

I grabbed a set if IP#'s from pool.ntp.org and monitored them in the 24
hours before and 8 hours after the leap.

Out of a set of 12 IP#'s two public stratum 1 servers never set the
leap bit, but did apply the leapsecond locally.

One of the 12 was a stratum 1 using DCF signal, and that one as expected
only set the leap warning one hour before the event.

Ten hours after the event, two stratum 3 servers in the set still had
the leap warning bits set.

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