Re: Who uses DUT1?

2005-07-30 Thread Steve Allen
On Sat 2005-07-30T10:18:42 -0700, Tom Van Baak hath writ: > So my question is - is the actual value of DUT1, > as broadcast with single digit precision, still > used? And if so, from where do they get the > value? We do not use them for our telescopes at Lick, but our big telescope is built out of

Re: Wall Street Journal Article

2005-07-30 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Rob Seaman writes: >On Jul 30, 2005, at 12:05 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > >> I have three times been through what ended up being total reinstalls >> from backups because some operator by accident (or stupidity) set >> the clock forward in time and then backward i

Re: Who uses DUT1?

2005-07-30 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Tom Van Baak writes: >WWV and WWVB and perhaps other national >systems transmit DUT1 as a 3- or 4-bit signed >number of 100 ms. As does MSF/Rugby in the UK. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | TCP/IP since RFC 956 Fr

Re: Leap-second scare stories

2005-07-30 Thread Rob Seaman
I can confirm that the text below is identical to the official proposal on 7A's table.  (I have seen the official document, but cannot redistribute it).For the record, I can confirm that I got the document from an openly visible place on the web which Google knew about.A focus on such trivial burea

Re: Leap-second scare stories

2005-07-30 Thread Steve Allen
On Sat 2005-07-30T19:04:43 +0200, Poul-Henning Kamp hath writ: > I can confirm that the text below is identical to the official > proposal on 7A's table. (I have seen the official document, > but cannot redistribute it). For the record, I can confirm that I got the document from an openly visible

Re: Leap-second scare stories

2005-07-30 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
A very apt case study has been provoked by the WSJ story. Slash-dot is a gathering of IT-geeks of various sorts, but mostly the dot-com generation. See how well they grasp leap-seconds http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/07/30/135239&threshold=3&tid=103&tid=164 (I caution against setting a th

Re: Leap-second scare stories

2005-07-30 Thread John.Cowan
Markus Kuhn scripsit: > We must be talking about different proposals then. So it seems. I of course agree that leap hours in UTC are a terrible idea. -- Principles. You can't say A is John Cowan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> made of B or vice versa. All mass http://www.reutershealth.com is

Re: Wall Street Journal Article

2005-07-30 Thread Rob Seaman
On Jul 30, 2005, at 12:05 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:I have three times been through what ended up being total reinstallsfrom backups because some operator by accident (or stupidity) setthe clock forward in time and then backward in time on a databaseinstallation.Are you asserting that these probl

Who uses DUT1?

2005-07-30 Thread Tom Van Baak
WWV and WWVB and perhaps other national systems transmit DUT1 as a 3- or 4-bit signed number of 100 ms. I'm curious what sort of instruments or operational systems use or used this value? Several astronomers on the list make a good case that they depend on UTC being close enough to UT1 for their wo

Re: Leap-second scare stories

2005-07-30 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Markus Kuhn writes: >the one submitted by the US >delegation to ITU-R working party 7A on 1 September 2004 >(Document 7A/15-E), which I understand to be identical with: I can confirm that the text below is identical to the official proposal on 7A's table. (I have

Re: Leap-second scare stories

2005-07-30 Thread Markus Kuhn
"John.Cowan" wrote on 2005-07-30 15:35 UTC: > > Let's not forget that this proposal is all about replacing a > > reasonably frequent minor distruption (UTC leap seconds) with a very > > rare catastrophically big one (UTC leap hours). > > No, it's about replacing an irregularly scheduled minor glitc

Re: Leap-second scare stories

2005-07-30 Thread John.Cowan
Markus Kuhn scripsit: > I'm sorry, but I find these three badly documented second or > third-hand rumours of leap-second scare stories neither very scary nor > very convincing. No more they are, and thanks for the pointers to debunking articles. > It introduces leap hours into a time scale (UTC)

Re: Leap-second scare stories

2005-07-30 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Markus Kuhn writes: >> And in 2003, a leap-second >> bug made GPS receivers from Motorola Inc. briefly show customers the >> time as half past 62 o'clock. > >It conveniently omits the minor detail that this long preannounced >Motorola software bug actually manifeste

Leap-second scare stories

2005-07-30 Thread Markus Kuhn
Steve Allen wrote on 2005-07-29 21:37 UTC: > http://online.wsj.com/article_email/0,,SB112258962467199210-H9je4Nilal4o52nbYCIbq6Em4,00.html The article repeats an old urban legend: > In 1997, the Russian global positioning system, known as > Glonass, was broken for 20 hours after a transmission to

Re: Wall Street Journal Article

2005-07-30 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Rob Seaman writes: >On Jul 29, 2005, at 2:11 PM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > From 1998 to 1999, I left the clock on my desktop Sun workstation >set forward 11 years. This allowed me to test various Y2K >remediation issues. (The 11 years was to select the next year