Re: Consensus rather than compromise

2005-08-30 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], John.Cowan writes: Rob Seaman scripsit: [B]ut we already agree on a common position that civil time needs to mimic solar time for most purposes. Kashi, Kashi, Kashi. It's interesting that no matter how much we keep telling him otherwise, Rob still claims that we

Re: Consensus rather than compromise

2005-08-30 Thread Peter Bunclark
On Tue, 30 Aug 2005, M. Warner Losh wrote: Leap seconds cost actual companies lots of $$$. I know that I've personally put in about 50 hours to leap second issues since July 1, and others in my company have put in even more in testing, shipping equiptment to the simulator facility, writing

Re: Consensus rather than compromise

2005-08-30 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Peter Bunclark writes: The POSIX definition makes it impossible to correctly handle leap seconds with any complying implementation of the standard, and therefore applications which needs to be *truly* leapsecond compliant, cannot use the standard libraries. So

Re: Consensus rather than compromise

2005-08-30 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Poul-Henning Kamp [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Peter Bunclark writes: : : I would have thought that part of the answer to the difficulty in : implementation and testing would be to use an open-source library of tried : and

Re: Consensus rather than compromise

2005-08-30 Thread Rob Seaman
[B]ut we already agree on a common position that civil time needs to mimic solar time for most purposes. Kashi, Kashi, Kashi. My apologies - I appear not to be making my point clear (again). Communication is hard - email communication between individuals who have never met face-to-face, all

Re: Consensus rather than compromise

2005-08-30 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Rob Seaman writes: Yes, I assert that we already agree on what I'm saying - or trying to say here. Let's put aside six years of squabbling about details and look at the larger picture. John Cowan and others on the leap seconds suck side of the discussion have often

Re: Consensus rather than compromise

2005-08-30 Thread Mark Calabretta
On Tue 2005/08/30 19:46:51 +0200, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote in a message to: LEAPSECS@ROM.USNO.NAVY.MIL keep the clock as people see it on their wrist [1] in sufficient sync with the light of day through minor acts of timezone adjustments. If such a system were to be adopted, then in future, in

Leap seconds BoF

2005-08-30 Thread Mark Calabretta
Greetings, especially to those in favour of stopping leap seconds! A conference concerning astronomical software is coming up at the start of October and there will be a discussion forum (BoF) on the leap second proposals. The conference (www.adass.org) is mainly directed towards, and attended