Re: the tail wags the dog

2006-01-24 Thread Rob Seaman
On Jan 24, 2006, at 12:50 AM, Peter Bunclark wrote: I don't think Rob meant the above to be a complete course on navigation! ...although as a fan of Patrick O'Brian I am qualified not only to teach navigation, but also the violin and Catalan. You should see me in a Bear costume. Good

Re: the tail wags the dog

2006-01-24 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Rob Seaman writes: Quadratic despair still lurks, of course, since the month is lengthening for exactly the same reason as the day. Well, despair would be lurking if we tried to match the length of the month (a natural phenomenon) to an SI unit (such as the second).

Re: the tail wags the dog

2006-01-24 Thread Rob Seaman
On Jan 24, 2006, at 8:06 AM, Ed Davies wrote: James Maynard wrote: The problem is not that the SI second is not based on a natural phenonemon (it is), but that the periods of the various natural phenonema (rotations of the earth about its axis revolutions of the earth about the sun,

Re: the tail wags the dog

2006-01-24 Thread Rob Seaman
On Jan 24, 2006, at 7:21 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:I think the crucial insight here is that geophysics makes (comparatively) lousy clocksThe crucial insight is that the Earth is not a clock at all, but rather the thing being timed.and we should stop using rotating bodies of geophysics for 

Accommodating both camps

2006-01-24 Thread James Maynard
It seems clear that we have two camps, or schools of thought, on this mailing list: 1) Those who favour retaining the status quo ante, in which civil time is based on UTC and the standard time and frequency stations broadcast UTC; and 2) Those who find it difficult to cope with UTC's leap

Re: Accommodating both camps

2006-01-24 Thread James Maynard
Oops, I meant to say wish to abolish leap seconds in the third paragraph, rather than which to abolish leap seconds. James Maynard wrote: It seems clear that we have two camps, or schools of thought, on this mailing list: 1) Those who favour retaining the status quo ante, in which civil time

Re: the tail wags the dog

2006-01-24 Thread Ed Davies
Rob Seaman wrote: All proposals (other than rubber seconds or rubber days) face the same quadratically accelerating divergence between clock and Earth. By rubber seconds you, presumably, mean non-SI seconds. What do you mean by rubber days? I'd guess you mean days which are

Re: Accommodating both camps

2006-01-24 Thread Ed Davies
James Maynard wrote: I wonder, though, whether those in the other camp would find it acceptable to have the standard time and frequency stations not only broadcast UTC and DUT1 (= UT1 - UTC, to 0.1 s resolution), but also to broadcast DTAI (= TAI - UTC, 1 s resolution)? A full

Re: Accommodating both camps

2006-01-24 Thread Warner Losh
It seems clear that we have two camps, or schools of thought, on this mailing list: 1) Those who favour retaining the status quo ante, in which civil time is based on UTC and the standard time and frequency stations broadcast UTC; and 2) Those who find it difficult to cope with UTC's leap

worthy challenges

2006-01-24 Thread Rob Seaman
Ed Davies wrote:By "rubber seconds" you, presumably, mean non-SI seconds.  What do you mean by "rubber days"?  I'd guess you mean days which are divided into SI seconds but not necessarily 86 400 of them.Yes.  See for instance: