Re: UT1 confidence

2007-01-18 Thread Steve Allen
whether, in the light of modern measurements, Newcomb would opine that his expression was supposed to be solar time. The slop of a full second in UTC made the original meaning of UT1 moot, and the geophysicists took the advantage. -- Steve Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]WGS-84

Re: UT1 confidence

2007-01-18 Thread Steve Allen
was mostly due to ocean currents. There are still ruminations that melting the arctic would trigger a shutdown of the north Atlantic currents that convey heat north and thus precipitate an ice age. I'd love to see this prediction, too, but I would not expect to put too much confidence in it. -- Steve

Re: UT1 confidence

2007-01-17 Thread Steve Allen
years in advance. I'm not ready to go for ten. -- Steve Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick ObservatoryNatural Sciences II, Room 165Lat +36.99858 University of CaliforniaVoice: +1 831 459 3046 Lng -122.06014 Santa Cruz, CA 95064

Re: The Martian Chronicles

2007-01-15 Thread Steve Allen
to peak.) -- Steve Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick ObservatoryNatural Sciences II, Room 165Lat +36.99858 University of CaliforniaVoice: +1 831 459 3046 Lng -122.06014 Santa Cruz, CA 95064http://www.ucolick.org/~sla

Re: Introduction of long term scheduling

2007-01-12 Thread Steve Allen
level do distributed systems need access to a time scale which is uniform in their reference frame? And my question: Can something as naive as POSIX time_t really serve all such applications, even the ones on earth, for the next 600 years? -- Steve Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Introduction of long term scheduling

2007-01-06 Thread Steve Allen
as necessary to stay within tolerance. There are now other applications. For some of those POSIX cannot do the job -- with or without leap seconds. Yes, there is a cost of doing time right, and leap seconds are not to blame for that cost. They are a wake up call from the state of denial. -- Steve Allen

Re: Introduction of long term scheduling

2007-01-05 Thread Steve Allen
guaranteed to be set to within a second of real time, and for that purpose the POSIX time_t API is just dandy. Other applications with access to other time sources will want to use algorithms of more sophistication according to their individual needs. -- Steve Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Introduction of long term scheduling

2007-01-01 Thread Steve Allen
, there was no concept that UTC is only defined at the surface of the earth and that the only suitable time scales are TCB and TDB. (TDB would be the natural result because ticks along with UTC and because that's what the JPL ephemerides use.) The need for pedagogy never ends. -- Steve Allen

Re: Introduction of long term scheduling

2007-01-01 Thread Steve Allen
to have adverse effects. In the matter of earth rotation it seems unlikely that there could be any penalties, and if there were a general consensus that this be the right thing to do then the IERS could probably act with impunity in advance of official approval from all agencies. -- Steve Allen

Re: Introduction of long term scheduling

2007-01-01 Thread Steve Allen
been producing versions of this plot since around 1999, but the published record of them is largely in PowerPoint. Dr. Tufte has provided postmortems of both Challenger and Columbia as testaments to how little that medium conveys. -- Steve Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: A lurker surfaces

2007-01-01 Thread Steve Allen
an interface better than POSIX time_t which allows those applications which need precise time to do a good job at it. -- Steve Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick ObservatoryNatural Sciences II, Room 165Lat +36.99858 University of CaliforniaVoice: +1

Re: A lurker surfaces

2006-12-31 Thread Steve Allen
which happen even if Dave Mills is conditioning their clocks? It's my expectation that if all systems are allowed to deny the reality of precision time keeping we will eventually find ourselves living in a timekeeping world that resembles C.M. Kornbluth's story The Marching Morons. -- Steve Allen

Re: Mechanism to provide tai-utc.dat locally

2006-12-29 Thread Steve Allen
uniform measure than any practically available time scale, including TAI. As such it is a simplification for the sake of human cognition that comes close to the notion of year without any intent to match observable or political reality. -- Steve Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]WGS

Re: Mechanism to provide tai-utc.dat locally

2006-12-29 Thread Steve Allen
of the CGPM and its international structure. But really, when it comes down to it, people are probably in general agreement that it shouldn't be necessary to rely on either scientists or international diplomacy to tell them when the sun is up. -- Steve Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED

RFC 2445 and unplanned pregnancies

2006-12-29 Thread Steve Allen
agree to use some sort protection in order to provide a less scandalous schedule of planned parenthood. -- Steve Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick ObservatoryNatural Sciences II, Room 165Lat +36.99858 University of CaliforniaVoice: +1 831

Re: Mechanism to provide tai-utc.dat locally

2006-12-28 Thread Steve Allen
scale. Make it totally plain that it does not share characteristics with previous time scales so that implementors are not enticed to try proleptic interpretations. Make it clear that one size does not fit all, and that the new time scale is intended to solve a particular class of problems. -- Steve

Re: Mechanism to provide tai-utc.dat locally

2006-12-28 Thread Steve Allen
was mainly for consistency with existing navigation practices, and also for ease of broadcasting that difference. I don't think that either of these constraints is relevant anymore. -- Steve Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick ObservatoryNatural

Re: Mechanism to provide tai-utc.dat locally

2006-12-26 Thread Steve Allen
counties. I hope someone is writing a book about that. This next year will be fun across the US as devices which have no idea what congress did to the daylight time dates start giving incorrect readings from their clocks. -- Steve Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]WGS-84 (GPS

Hippocratic humours

2006-12-26 Thread Steve Allen
how long it takes, the point is to enjoy the journey. In this discussion list we never hear from the last group. -- Steve Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick ObservatoryNatural Sciences II, Room 165Lat +36.99858 University of CaliforniaVoice

calendrical precedent

2006-12-26 Thread Steve Allen
122 years ago on http://www.gutenberg.org/files/17759/17759-h/17759-h.htm#Page_152 and the following four pages I suppose that this is separate from the problem the LEAPSECS list was created to ponder. -- Steve Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick

Re: Equitable estoppel

2006-12-17 Thread Steve Allen
, possibly by pissing into it. In this case the cook who is recognized as the holder of UTC does have his feet nailed down by the ITU rules which say their documents must be sold, not given away. All the other agencies contributing to this broth are allowed to work openly and publish freely. -- Steve

Re: what time is it, legally?

2006-12-13 Thread Steve Allen
and Contributing Editor, GPS World Magazine viz http://gauss.gge.unb.ca/papers.pdf/gpsworld.january01.pdf -- Steve Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick ObservatoryNatural Sciences II, Room 165Lat +36.99858 University of CaliforniaVoice

what time is it, legally?

2006-12-11 Thread Steve Allen
for most of a lifetime. To end with some fun, here's a Flash clock application http://home.tiscali.nl/annejan/swf/timeline.swf -- Steve Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick ObservatoryNatural Sciences II, Room 165Lat +36.99858 University

ADASS poster on UTC

2006-10-28 Thread Steve Allen
Documents to their software teams. -- Steve Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick ObservatoryNatural Sciences II, Room 165Lat +36.99858 University of CaliforniaVoice: +1 831 459 3046 Lng -122.06014 Santa Cruz, CA 95064http

Re: 2006 WP-7A meeting summary

2006-10-26 Thread Steve Allen
://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Henry_VI%2C_part_2 Alternatively just to mope like Cassius to Brutus? Julius Caesar, Act 1, scene 2 -- Steve Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick ObservatoryNatural Sciences II, Room 165Lat +36.99858 University of CaliforniaVoice: +1

Re: catching up, AAS and US Senate

2006-09-13 Thread Steve Allen
On Tue 2006-09-12T23:18:05 -0700, Steve Allen hath writ: It appears that the version as reported in the senate in July struck out all of section 508. I could be wrong. I receive word that the UTC text still appears to be in Title V, and at the moment the link in the document seems to be named

Re: leap seconds in video art

2006-08-02 Thread Steve Allen
this video will probably already understand the difference. Having seen the way Daniel Gambis ended his presentation by donning his hat, I can only wish that I had ended mine by donning some very dark sunglasses. -- Steve Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick

leap seconds in video art

2006-07-31 Thread Steve Allen
Earlier this year Felicity Hickson produced a work of art comprised of 23 seconds of statements by 23 people on the 23 leap seconds since 1972. http://youtube.com/watch?v=GtYvSjS1jUI -- Steve Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick ObservatoryNatural

PT Barnum was right

2006-07-06 Thread Steve Allen
again -- why is it thta broadcast civil time signals need atomic accuracy? -- Steve Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick ObservatoryNatural Sciences II, Room 165Lat +36.99858 University of CaliforniaVoice: +1 831 459 3046 Lng

independence day

2006-07-04 Thread Steve Allen
standard from GMT to UTC. Language like this was introduced in 2002, but the bill was killed. -- Steve Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick ObservatoryNatural Sciences II, Room 165Lat +36.99858 University of CaliforniaVoice: +1 831 459 3046

leap seconds in art

2006-06-23 Thread Steve Allen
Artist Felicity Hickson created a documentary of 23 people speaking for 23 seconds each. Its show debuts today in London, um, Kensington. http://www.communication2006.com/content/au/35.php -- Steve Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory

Re: building consensus

2006-06-01 Thread Steve Allen
/J_BusRepGA05.doc -- Steve Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick ObservatoryNatural Sciences II, Room 165Lat +36.99858 University of CaliforniaVoice: +1 831 459 3046 Lng -122.06014 Santa Cruz, CA 95064http://www.ucolick.org/~sla/ Hgt

Re: building consensus

2006-06-01 Thread Steve Allen
the self-inconsistent values for their conventional longitudes (c.f. Janssen and Newcomb at the 1884 IMC) the signals did not start to agree until coordinated cesium clocks were in use. -- Steve Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick ObservatoryNatural

dysfunction or dereliction?

2006-04-28 Thread Steve Allen
by the USNO reaches to the level of dereliction of duty, but I don't think that failure to follow prescribed procedures on the part of the USNO justifies the abandonment of leap seconds. -- Steve Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick ObservatoryNatural

Re: ideas for new UTC rules

2006-04-14 Thread Steve Allen
applications for DUT1 signals, most likely they are for sextant-style navigation. If the leap seconds are being predicted five years in advance then the annually published navigation almnacs can incorporate projections which are as good as the broadcast signals. -- Steve Allen [EMAIL

Re: ideas for new UTC rules

2006-04-14 Thread Steve Allen
On Fri 2006-04-14T19:39:31 +0200, Poul-Henning Kamp hath writ: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Steve Allen writes: It's a good question. My immediate response is that my notions are also part of the Full Time-Scale-Aware Lawyer Employment act of {YA} I don't want us to adopt anything

1884 IMC online

2006-02-19 Thread Steve Allen
has just finished checking its transcription of the document into fully machine readable and searchable form. http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/17759 -- Steve Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick ObservatoryNatural Sciences II, Room 165Lat

Re: Ambiguous NTP timestamps near leap second

2006-02-16 Thread Steve Allen
, then this request shall be ignored. Minor point, I think it has to read more like this between 23:59:60 of a UTC day that ends with a positive leap second and 00:00:00 of the subsequent UTC day. -- Steve Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick

Re: Comparing time scales (second try!)

2006-02-02 Thread Steve Allen
equivalent to POSIX time. Did you get it right? That's a good question. I suggest that we all rent a copy of Rashomon. After viewing that we could at least discourse on Kurosawa's mastery of cinematography. -- Steve Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick

marketing the leap second

2006-02-02 Thread Steve Allen
Here's a nice news piece on the marketing of a leap second http://www.marketingsherpa.com/sample.cfm?contentID=3174 -- Steve Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick ObservatoryNatural Sciences II, Room 165Lat +36.99858 University of California

Re: Risks of change to UTC

2006-01-23 Thread Steve Allen
with links to most of the papers and dates of changes. -- Steve Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick ObservatoryNatural Sciences II, Room 165Lat +36.99858 University of CaliforniaVoice: +1 831 459 3046 Lng -122.06014 Santa Cruz, CA

Re: the tail wags the dog

2006-01-23 Thread Steve Allen
On Mon 2006-01-23T14:02:01 +, Clive D.W. Feather hath writ: Steve Allen said: The official time of the US for commerce and legal purposes is UTC(NIST). The official time of the US DOD is UTC(USNO). The official time of the UK is GMT. Please distinguish between official and legal

Re: the tail wags the dog

2006-01-23 Thread Steve Allen
in the kludge on a hack set of time distribution schemes upon which we ruminate. -- Steve Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick ObservatoryNatural Sciences II, Room 165Lat +36.99858 University of CaliforniaVoice: +1 831 459 3046 Lng

Re: Fixing POSIX time

2006-01-19 Thread Steve Allen
are interested in knowing how far it has rotated. Until this point in history, that has been fundamental in the notion of what we mean by the agreeable time. -- Steve Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick ObservatoryNatural Sciences II, Room 165

Re: Problems with GLONASS Raw Receiver Data at Start of New Year

2006-01-17 Thread Steve Allen
with that condition. -- Steve Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick ObservatoryNatural Sciences II, Room 165Lat +36.99858 University of CaliforniaVoice: +1 831 459 3046 Lng -122.06014 Santa Cruz, CA 95064http

Re: The real problem with leap seconds

2006-01-11 Thread Steve Allen
by such VLBI antennae will not, however, keep synchronized with earth using anything less than a fully general relativistic expression for the intercomparisons. -- Steve Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick ObservatoryNatural Sciences II, Room 165Lat

Re: interoperability

2006-01-09 Thread Steve Allen
of the limits at which it becomes much more difficult to agree on time.) -- Steve Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick ObservatoryNatural Sciences II, Room 165Lat +36.99858 University of CaliforniaVoice: +1 831 459 3046 Lng -122.06014

Re: The opportunity of leap seconds

2006-01-08 Thread Steve Allen
not. This was fixed with a new release which happened by Friday. (Despite some NTP servers which reportedly still have not acknowledged the leap second, I think the overall indications are that the NTP network did better than 50 %.) The existing IERS system is dysfunctional. -- Steve Allen

Re: The real problem with leap seconds

2006-01-08 Thread Steve Allen
) which differs from TAI by an integral number of seconds. As an identifiable entity, UTC (unmodified) may only exist within the text of ITU-R TF.460 -- Steve Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick ObservatoryNatural Sciences II, Room 165Lat

Re: The real problem with leap seconds

2006-01-07 Thread Steve Allen
/~mgk25/time/leap/utc-torino-slides.pdf -- Steve Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick ObservatoryNatural Sciences II, Room 165Lat +36.99858 University of CaliforniaVoice: +1 831 459 3046 Lng -122.06014 Santa Cruz, CA 95064http

leap seconds are evil, no really

2006-01-07 Thread Steve Allen
of questionable music http://createdigitalmusic.com/index.php?option=com_contenttask=viewid=1087 -- Steve Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick ObservatoryNatural Sciences II, Room 165Lat +36.99858 University of CaliforniaVoice: +1 831 459 3046

Re: The real problem with leap seconds

2006-01-07 Thread Steve Allen
. The new fields being added to GPS signals make them able to count leap seconds for 3 years. That's quite an example of engineering margin. -- Steve Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick ObservatoryNatural Sciences II, Room 165Lat +36.99858

Re: The real problem with leap seconds

2006-01-07 Thread Steve Allen
_process_ does actually work. Agreed, you just have to be prepared to play the Byzantine games. -- Steve Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick ObservatoryNatural Sciences II, Room 165Lat +36.99858 University of CaliforniaVoice: +1 831 459 3046

Re: Defining our terms (was Re: [LEAPSECS] Longer leap second notice)

2006-01-06 Thread Steve Allen
in which the original agreements are to be interpreted. It remains to be seen whether the gentleman's agreements which hold this whole scheme together will tolerate a non-consensual arrangement. Now tell me why you think Leap seconds are so important again. In a word, I offer psychology. -- Steve

Re: civil time = solar time

2006-01-05 Thread Steve Allen
over decade timescales. I remain in dismay that said point is moot for embedded devices, for the local civil authorities are more whimsical than the earth with larger amplitude deviations at less predictable intervals. -- Steve Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]WGS-84 (GPS) UCO

Re: Where the responsibility lies

2006-01-03 Thread Steve Allen
of the work. http://www.ucolick.org/~sla/leapsecs/McCarthy.html This deserves discussion and analysis and explanation. -- Steve Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick ObservatoryNatural Sciences II, Room 165Lat +36.99858 University of California

NTP behavior in Australia

2006-01-01 Thread Steve Allen
Here is one indication of NTP response to the presence of low stratum servers which did not behave well. http://members.iinet.net.au/~nathanael/ntpd/leap-second.html -- Steve Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick ObservatoryNatural Sciences II, Room

Re: went pretty dang smoothly at this end

2005-12-31 Thread Steve Allen
, including the change in the DUT1 clicks, but I can check later. At some point I will be able to put up a .wav file with WWV, WWVB, me, and my kids. -- Steve Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick ObservatoryNatural Sciences II, Room 165Lat +36.99858

the principals speak

2005-12-25 Thread Steve Allen
to send them reports of problems with the upcoming leap second. They also deserve to be informed of systems which had no problems. -- Steve Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick ObservatoryNatural Sciences II, Room 165Lat +36.99858 University

I hope the Onion does even better

2005-12-25 Thread Steve Allen
Satire! http://www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.cfm?headline=s3i9970 -- Steve Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick ObservatoryNatural Sciences II, Room 165Lat +36.99858 University of CaliforniaVoice: +1 831 459 3046 Lng -122.06014

Re: a system that fails spectacularly

2005-12-07 Thread Steve Allen
/node1924.asp?intContentID=3197 also reported by Canada http://www.ican.nf.net/R4update.htm also reported by USCG http://www.uscg.mil/hq/g-m/moa/docs/Saab505.pdf http://www.uscg.mil/d14/units/feact/images/safety%20alert.pdf Google is your friend. -- Steve Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: a system that fails spectacularly

2005-12-07 Thread Steve Allen
their own quality control processes. Most of those forms came back to the town council stained with beer and chips. -- Steve Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick ObservatoryNatural Sciences II, Room 165Lat +36.99858 University of California

Google news alerts condemn the ITU

2005-11-17 Thread Steve Allen
not alone in thinking that one of the first things that WP7A needs to do is to publish ITU-R TF.460 with no access restriction. -- Steve Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick ObservatoryNatural Sciences II, Room 165Lat +36.99858 University

Re: ABC leapsec article

2005-11-13 Thread Steve Allen
that aside from English it's the German speakers who seem most fascinated by the subject. -- Steve Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick ObservatoryNatural Sciences II, Room 165Lat +36.99858 University of CaliforniaVoice: +1 831 459 3046

Re: Be thankful for John Flamstead

2005-11-10 Thread Steve Allen
does not realize how the stories are connected. The relevance between that and the LEAPSECS list becomes evident if you take a really close reading of the following document. http://tycho.usno.navy.mil/ptti/ptti2004/panel.pdf -- Steve Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]WGS-84

Re: US proposal to abolish leap seconds - Not Found

2005-11-08 Thread Steve Allen
contribution in its archives. It makes sense that the comments really do belong to the USWP7A members and the Department of State, but I can cite a reference which says the rules are that anyone can apply to become a member of USWP7A. -- Steve Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]WGS

The Truth is Out There

2005-11-08 Thread Steve Allen
have to keep it in perspective. After all, it's not like the world is going to come to an end. -- Steve Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick ObservatoryNatural Sciences II, Room 165Lat +36.99858 University of CaliforniaVoice: +1 831 459 3046

POSIX in the crosshairs?

2005-10-30 Thread Steve Allen
during which daylight time will be in use. Could it be that the public awareness generated by that will interfere with any further attempts to modify the public perception of time? -- Steve Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick ObservatoryNatural

Mary Baker Eddy joins in

2005-10-12 Thread Steve Allen
There is now a story in the Christian Science Monitor http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/1013/p15s01-stgn.html Their wireservice is already spreading it elsewhere. -- Steve Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick ObservatoryNatural Sciences II, Room

curiouser and curiouser

2005-10-05 Thread Steve Allen
Do the folks in Roanoke really wonder about leap seconds? http://www.roanoke.com/editorials/wb/wb/xp-34869 Will things get even stranger in the eight and a half days left for comment on the USWP7A proposal? -- Steve Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick

was it because of Asimov?

2005-10-02 Thread Steve Allen
leaders. -- Steve Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick ObservatoryNatural Sciences II, Room 165Lat +36.99858 University of CaliforniaVoice: +1 831 459 3046 Lng -122.06014 Santa Cruz, CA 95064http://www.ucolick.org/~sla/ Hgt

response from Germany

2005-09-28 Thread Steve Allen
for comment http://www.fcc.gov/ib/sand/irb/weritacrnc/review/nc1985wp7a/01.doc The significant difference from last year seems to be that leap seconds would stop not in 2007 but rather five years after the ITU general assembly approves the change. -- Steve Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: RAS hits the news

2005-09-27 Thread Steve Allen
receivers will fail by around 2070 or so, but that really should not be much of a surprise or inconvenience to their owners. -- Steve Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick ObservatoryNatural Sciences II, Room 165Lat +36.99858 University of California

Re: Consensus rather than compromise

2005-08-31 Thread Steve Allen
a fragmentation of practice which would violate offsets from a common reference time and make the situation much uglier. It is not clear whether the pressures of economics and trade can override tradition and national pride. -- Steve Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]WGS-84 (GPS) UCO

most recent news

2005-08-29 Thread Steve Allen
For those who were not on the recipient list (I was not) the most recent leap seconds news is the public release of a letter from P.K. Seidelmann which was sent in July. It was posted here: http://igscb.jpl.nasa.gov/mail/igsmail/2005/msg00114.html -- Steve Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED

vive le BIH!

2005-08-26 Thread Steve Allen
astronomical portion. Will the leap second misinformation never cease? -- Steve Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick ObservatoryNatural Sciences II, Room 165Lat +36.99858 University of CaliforniaVoice: +1 831 459 3046 Lng -122.06014 Santa

Re: Civil Time decision tree v0.5

2005-08-17 Thread Steve Allen
future, each planet will have its own coordinate time scale. -- Steve Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick ObservatoryNatural Sciences II, Room 165Lat +36.99858 University of CaliforniaVoice: +1 831 459 3046 Lng -122.06014 Santa Cruz

Re: Precise time over time

2005-08-11 Thread Steve Allen
legal here well over a century ago, and it, in truth, the actual standard by which things operate) then there could hardly be as much objection as the dairies are having right now to the new Daylight Saving Time legislation. -- Steve Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] WGS-84

Re: new beginning

2005-08-04 Thread Steve Allen
the predictive capabilities. It would be interesting to know why this option was excluded, but then it would be interesting to really know why any of this is happening. -- Steve Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick ObservatoryNatural Sciences II, Room

Re: new beginning

2005-08-04 Thread Steve Allen
. Of course at the same instant the mean solar second of UT1 also lost all connection with its original intent. For most practical purposes the old FK5-based definitions will remain adequate throughout the next century, or two, but after that... -- Steve Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Who uses DUT1?

2005-07-31 Thread Steve Allen
, a skilled navigator might get to 50 meter accuracy under the best of circumstances. My unpracticed star shots were 20 times worse than that, so the DUT1 would never have benefitted me. -- Steve Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick ObservatoryNatural

Re: Wall Street Journal Article

2005-07-31 Thread Steve Allen
. -- Steve Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick ObservatoryNatural Sciences II, Room 165 Lat +36.99858 University of CaliforniaVoice: +1 831 459 3046 Lng -122.06014 Santa Cruz, CA 95064http://www.ucolick.org/~sla

Re: Wall Street Journal Article

2005-07-31 Thread Steve Allen
editorial process. Why would the proponents risk such a public result? -- Steve Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick ObservatoryNatural Sciences II, Room 165 Lat +36.99858 University of CaliforniaVoice: +1 831 459 3046 Lng

it's all humor

2005-07-17 Thread Steve Allen
of discourse. -- Steve Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick ObservatoryNatural Sciences II, Room 165 Lat +36.99858 University of CaliforniaVoice: +1 831 459 3046 Lng -122.06014 Santa Cruz, CA 95064http://www.ucolick.org

Philippine opinion piece

2005-07-14 Thread Steve Allen
seriously. But for most of us, a second more or a second less is more or less a question of taste. and happy Bastille Day, albeit a bit late. -- Steve Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick ObservatoryNatural Sciences II, Room 165Lat +36.99858

so sorry, Markus

2005-07-08 Thread Steve Allen
Nature interviewed Markus Kuhn about the leap second and did a good job. UPI has turned the Nature story into an abomination; e.g., http://washingtontimes.com/upi/20050707-090936-2878r.htm -- Steve Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory

Re: About UTC / a disaster for classical astronomy

2005-07-08 Thread Steve Allen
/leapsecs/onlinebib.html#Event2005-07-05 http://www.ucolick.org/~sla/leapsecs/gambis.html -- Steve Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick ObservatoryNatural Sciences II, Room 165Lat +36.99858 University of CaliforniaVoice: +1 831 459 3046

time-nuts

2005-07-06 Thread Steve Allen
Given that LEAPSECS seems to have gone aphasic, I point out this http://www.febo.com/pipermail/time-nuts/2005-July/ wherein there is an ongoing thread about IERS Bulletin C number 30 -- Steve Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick ObservatoryNatural

interesting thing of the day

2005-04-29 Thread Steve Allen
A new web article on leap seconds and timekeeping http://itotd.com/index.alt?ArticleID=534 -- Steve Allen UCO/Lick Observatory Santa Cruz, CA 95064 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: +1 831 459 3046 http://www.ucolick.org/~sla PGP: 1024/E46978C5 F6 78 D1 10 62 94 8F 2E49 89

two media links and an inference

2005-03-25 Thread Steve Allen
of the population of the planet), the USNO believes the role of l'OBSPM for controlling civil time is irrelevant? -- Steve Allen UCO/Lick Observatory Santa Cruz, CA 95064 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: +1 831 459 3046 http://www.ucolick.org/~sla PGP: 1024/E46978C5 F6 78 D1 10 62 94 8F

Re: GMT - UTC in Australia

2005-02-24 Thread Steve Allen
On Wed 2005-02-23T23:02:14 -0800, Steve Allen hath writ: [ the New South Wales bill ] defines UTC as being determined by the BIPM. So it remains unclear who ultimately controls the fate of civil time in New South Wales. There is sociology behind this statement. W. Lewandowski is Principal

Re: GMT - UTC in Australia

2005-02-23 Thread Steve Allen
On Tue 2005-02-22T18:27:36 -0800, Steve Allen hath writ: Australia has decided to redefine its legal time scale. The bill was introduced today. Details of Bill 11 are found here. http://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/isys/isyswebext.exe?op=geturi=/isysquery/irl66ce/1/doc/#hit1 The text

GMT - UTC in Australia

2005-02-22 Thread Steve Allen
be matched to mean solar days or not. -- Steve Allen UCO/Lick Observatory Santa Cruz, CA 95064 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: +1 831 459 3046 http://www.ucolick.org/~sla PGP: 1024/E46978C5 F6 78 D1 10 62 94 8F 2E49 89 0E FE 26 B4 14 93

leaps in jazz/rock fusion

2005-02-06 Thread Steve Allen
resellers at http://www.ear-rational.com/detail.php?id=16603 http://www.squidco.com/miva/merchant.mv?Screen=PRODStore_Code=SProduct_Code=4501 http://www.fusion3.com/works/rune210/ -- Steve Allen UCO/Lick Observatory Santa Cruz, CA 95064 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: +1 831 459 3046

Re: two world clocks AND Time after Time

2005-01-25 Thread Steve Allen
Oxfordshire alone. -- Steve Allen UCO/Lick Observatory Santa Cruz, CA 95064 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: +1 831 459 3046 http://www.ucolick.org/~sla PGP: 1024/E46978C5 F6 78 D1 10 62 94 8F 2E49 89 0E FE 26 B4 14 93

Re: two world clocks AND Time after Time

2005-01-24 Thread Steve Allen
and sunset have required haversines. That's why the newspapers publish them. Trigonometry was not required for simple civil life. -- Steve Allen UCO/Lick Observatory Santa Cruz, CA 95064 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: +1 831 459 3046 http://www.ucolick.org/~sla PGP: 1024/E46978C5 F6 78

Re: two world clocks AND Time after Time

2005-01-23 Thread Steve Allen
of a time scale is also large. That cost is eternal, and eventually ends up demanding a name change anyway. The belief that a precisely-defined time scale can have a basic characteristic changed without eventually incurring the cost of also changing the name is a fantasy. -- Steve Allen

Re: ITU Meeting last year

2005-01-20 Thread Steve Allen
/archives/nc1893wp7a/1.doc -- Steve Allen UCO/Lick Observatory Santa Cruz, CA 95064 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: +1 831 459 3046 http://www.ucolick.org/~sla PGP: 1024/E46978C5 F6 78 D1 10 62 94 8F 2E49 89 0E FE 26 B4 14 93

Re: ITU Meeting last year

2005-01-20 Thread Steve Allen
/leapsecs/dutc.html I would be obliged to know about it. -- Steve Allen UCO/Lick Observatory Santa Cruz, CA 95064 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: +1 831 459 3046 http://www.ucolick.org/~sla PGP: 1024/E46978C5 F6 78 D1 10 62 94 8F 2E49 89 0E FE 26 B4 14 93

Re: ITU Meeting last year

2005-01-20 Thread Steve Allen
offer the following: http://www.ucolick.org/~sla/leapsecs/SRG7Afinalreport.doc http://www.ucolick.org/~sla/leapsecs/PropRevITU-RTF460-6.doc It seems that atomic clock keepers have lost all interest in the continued existence of mean solar time, sundials, or the analemma. -- Steve Allen UCO

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