Re: ITU Meeting last year

2005-01-20 Thread Markus Kuhn
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 2005-01-19 20:19 UTC: A resolution was proposed to redefine UTC by replacing leap seconds by leap hours, effective at a specific date which I believe was something like 2020. Thanks for the update! Did the proposed resolution contain any detailed political provisions

Re: ITU Meeting last year

2005-01-20 Thread Clive D.W. Feather
Markus Kuhn said: A resolution was proposed to redefine UTC by replacing leap seconds by leap hours, effective at a specific date which I believe was something like 2020. [...] If this proposal gets accepted, then someone will have to shoulder the burden and take responsibility for a gigantic

Re: ITU Meeting last year

2005-01-20 Thread John Cowan
Markus Kuhn scripsit: In my eyes, a UTC leap hour is an unrealistic phantasy. I agree. But the same effects can be achieved by waiting for local jurisdictions to change the existing LCT offsets as the problem becomes locally serious. They've done it many times in the past and can easily do so

Re: ITU Meeting last year

2005-01-20 Thread John Cowan
Clive D.W. Feather scripsit: That *is* practical to implement, though coordination might be harder. On the other hand, adminstrative areas that are near the edge of a zone now could move earlier if they wanted. The world is used to time zones, after all. For that matter, Newfoundland could

Re: ITU Meeting last year

2005-01-20 Thread Markus Kuhn
Clive D.W. Feather wrote on 2005-01-20 12:34 UTC: A resolution was proposed to redefine UTC by replacing leap seconds by leap hours, effective at a specific date which I believe was something like 2020. I may be wrong here, but I thought the leap hour idea did *not* insert a

Re: ITU Meeting last year

2005-01-20 Thread Steve Allen
On Thu 2005-01-20T13:39:58 +, Markus Kuhn hath writ: That was certainly the idea of the BIPM proposal presented at the Torino meeting. As seen on my online bibliography web page, the proposal probably was a slightly evolved form of this document

Re: ITU Meeting last year

2005-01-20 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], John Cowan writes: Markus Kuhn scripsit: In my eyes, a UTC leap hour is an unrealistic phantasy. I think your critizism of it is just as unrealistic. If 600 years down the road we have colonized the solar system, then a large fraction of the population wouldn't

Re: ITU Meeting last year

2005-01-20 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tom Van Baak writes: If one uses the rough but often-quoted figure of one leap second about every 500 days then a leap hour would be required on the order of 500 * 3600 / 365 = ~5000 years from now. It's not a linear curve, it's quadratic. I found some slides from

Re: ITU Meeting last year

2005-01-20 Thread Steve Allen
On Thu 2005-01-20T09:33:01 -0800, Tom Van Baak hath writ: So it's safe to say we're talking millennia rather than centuries, yes? I wonder where the notion that it's just a few centuries away came from. If there is something not clear in the presentation on

Re: ITU Meeting last year

2005-01-20 Thread Tom Van Baak
It's not a linear curve, it's quadratic. I found some slides from the torino meeting where this was laid out very well but I didn't save the URL, sorry. Ah, yes, I forgot the quadratic term. Steve Allen has a nice page at: http://www.ucolick.org/~sla/leapsecs/dutc.html And his table shows

Re: ITU Meeting last year

2005-01-20 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Steve Allen writes: On Thu 2005-01-20T09:33:01 -0800, Tom Van Baak hath writ: So it's safe to say we're talking millennia rather than centuries, yes? I wonder where the notion that it's just a few centuries away came from. If there is something not clear in the

Re: ITU Meeting last year

2005-01-20 Thread Steve Allen
On Thu 2005-01-20T12:34:09 +, Clive D.W. Feather hath writ: I may be wrong here, but I thought the leap hour idea did *not* insert a discontinuity into UTC. Rather, in 2600 (or whenever it is), all civil administrations would move their local-UTC offset forward by one hour, in many cases

Re: ITU Meeting last year

2005-01-20 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Steve Allen writes: In the hopes of enlightenment for this list, but without the ability to authenticate these draft documents, I offer the following: http://www.ucolick.org/~sla/leapsecs/SRG7Afinalreport.doc

Re: ITU Meeting last year

2005-01-20 Thread John Cowan
Steve Allen scripsit: If there is something not clear in the presentation on http://www.ucolick.org/~sla/leapsecs/dutc.html I would be obliged to know about it. It's very clear and useful. But: At Torino the proponents of omitting leap seconds supposed that the governments of the world

ITU Meeting last year

2005-01-19 Thread matsakis . demetrios
This is a very brief description of what happened at last October's ITU meeting in Geneva. A resolution was proposed to redefine UTC by replacing leap seconds by leap hours, effective at a specific date which I believe was something like 2020. This proposal was not passed, but remains under