Re: [LEDE-DEV] looking for ar7 testers
> Van: David Lang <da...@lang.hm> > Onderwerp: Antw.: [LEDE-DEV] looking for ar7 testers > Datum: 20 juni 2016 02:51:29 CEST > Aan: Daniel Curran-Dickinson <dan...@daniel.thecshore.com> > Kopie: John Crispin <j...@phrozen.org>, LEDE Development List > <lede-dev@lists.infradead.org> > > ... > > Well, I'll point out that the thread I'm replying to started off with "I no > longer have the hardware to test this" > > I agree that random, unsolicited donations are likely to be less useful, but > donations of hardware to solve the "I can't test this" or add to a test farm > are directly useful. > > And getting a new piece of equipment can get a developer interested enough to > go after the NDAs needed to make it work well. > > In some cases the vendors involved are known to 'not play well with others' > and so donations of their hardware will do no good. > > But those of us out in the wild can't tell the difference between the > different categories. > > That's why I asked for a list of what would be useful to donate :-) > > David Lang Nice that you offer help, but NDA’s don’t play well with open source development and are certainly problematic when such development is under a copy left type of licence (GPL/CC SA etc.). Documentation such as datasheets needed for coding should be offered unencumbered by NDA provisions. Paul Oranje ___ Lede-dev mailing list Lede-dev@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/lede-dev
Re: [LEDE-DEV] looking for ar7 testers
On 20/06/2016 02:51, David Lang wrote: > On Sun, 19 Jun 2016, Daniel Curran-Dickinson wrote: > >> On Wed, 2016-06-15 at 19:52 -0700, David Lang wrote: >>> Is there a list of hardware that is needed? (or do you want donations >>> of money >>> for the project to buy hardware)? >> >> TBH I'm not sure how useful random hardware donations are. For example >> getting a router which is more than just updating image generation >> specifics (and assuming there is even enough information available via >> flash browsing etc to do that, which isn't always the case), there is >> the problem most chips manufacturers don't talk to random developer X, >> and only want to give data sheets and programming information to people >> who sign an NDA and have a support contract, presumably with contracts >> to by X units from ODM who is actually the one making the information >> available, or enabling the request). >> >> Dealing with unsupported hardware is not something developers can often >> do something about simply by having random device X. If it's just image >> generation usually it can be figured out, but beyond that it normally >> requires some level of information that isn't easy to discover simply by >> having a device. > > Well, I'll point out that the thread I'm replying to started off with "I > no longer have the hardware to test this" > > I agree that random, unsolicited donations are likely to be less useful, > but donations of hardware to solve the "I can't test this" or add to a > test farm are directly useful. > > And getting a new piece of equipment can get a developer interested > enough to go after the NDAs needed to make it work well. > > In some cases the vendors involved are known to 'not play well with > others' and so donations of their hardware will do no good. > > But those of us out in the wild can't tell the difference between the > different categories. > > That's why I asked for a list of what would be useful to donate :-) > > David Lang how is this related to "i am looking for ar7 maintainers and testers" ? please try to stay on topic ___ Lede-dev mailing list Lede-dev@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/lede-dev
Re: [LEDE-DEV] looking for ar7 testers
On Sun, 19 Jun 2016, Daniel Curran-Dickinson wrote: On Wed, 2016-06-15 at 19:52 -0700, David Lang wrote: Is there a list of hardware that is needed? (or do you want donations of money for the project to buy hardware)? TBH I'm not sure how useful random hardware donations are. For example getting a router which is more than just updating image generation specifics (and assuming there is even enough information available via flash browsing etc to do that, which isn't always the case), there is the problem most chips manufacturers don't talk to random developer X, and only want to give data sheets and programming information to people who sign an NDA and have a support contract, presumably with contracts to by X units from ODM who is actually the one making the information available, or enabling the request). Dealing with unsupported hardware is not something developers can often do something about simply by having random device X. If it's just image generation usually it can be figured out, but beyond that it normally requires some level of information that isn't easy to discover simply by having a device. Well, I'll point out that the thread I'm replying to started off with "I no longer have the hardware to test this" I agree that random, unsolicited donations are likely to be less useful, but donations of hardware to solve the "I can't test this" or add to a test farm are directly useful. And getting a new piece of equipment can get a developer interested enough to go after the NDAs needed to make it work well. In some cases the vendors involved are known to 'not play well with others' and so donations of their hardware will do no good. But those of us out in the wild can't tell the difference between the different categories. That's why I asked for a list of what would be useful to donate :-) David Lang ___ Lede-dev mailing list Lede-dev@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/lede-dev
Re: [LEDE-DEV] looking for ar7 testers
-Original Message- From: Lede-dev [mailto:lede-dev-boun...@lists.infradead.org] On Behalf Of John Crispin Sent: jueves, 16 de junio de 2016 01:14 a.m. To: David Lang; Daniel Gimpelevich Cc: lede-dev@lists.infradead.org Subject: Re: [LEDE-DEV] looking for ar7 testers > talk to your local developer and support him as per need i guess. I don't think any of the core devs are local to my city, and anyway I believe nowadays we are all "local" to the world > personally i am right now looking for donations of ipq hardware that is not locked down. I'd like to help with that, but as I said, I'm a bit far away. I think there should be an "official" Lede paypal account, or something, so that it is easy for anyone willing to make a donation. Then LEDE should assign the money, (or in the donation one could state which target you wish to fund). Sending hw directly to a dev means that they have to disclose their address, and it is also more complicated to the donor, which in the end may discourage donations. ___ Lede-dev mailing list Lede-dev@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/lede-dev
Re: [LEDE-DEV] looking for ar7 testers
On Thu, 16 Jun 2016, John Crispin wrote: But for the general case, my question still stands. What hardware (including brand-new devices, wishlists for future devices, etc) is wanted, how can it be donated? talk to your local developer and support him as per need i guess. Ok, who is 'local' to Los Angeles, California, the US, or the western hemisphere? ( with e-mail lists, this is not always obvious :-) personally i am right now looking for donations of ipq hardware that is not locked down. If you can point at such hardware on amazon/e-bay or similar, I can pay for it, but I don't know enough to know what qualifies. David Lang ___ Lede-dev mailing list Lede-dev@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/lede-dev
Re: [LEDE-DEV] looking for ar7 testers
On 16/06/2016 06:54, David Lang wrote: > Ok, so it sounds like this particular hardware is not wanted and support > may be dropped. that is what i am trying to figure out > > But for the general case, my question still stands. What hardware > (including brand-new devices, wishlists for future devices, etc) is > wanted, how can it be donated? talk to your local developer and support him as per need i guess. personally i am right now looking for donations of ipq hardware that is not locked down. > David Lang > > On Wed, 15 Jun 2016, Daniel Gimpelevich wrote: > >> Ethernet support on ar7 had to be shoehorn-hacked in for each device >> individually. What would fix it on one would break it on another. I had >> been in process of trying to come up with a unifying Ethernet hack a few >> years ago, but I became discouraged by the incomplete GPL tarballs, the >> lack of a wireless driver for the 1350A chipset, the kludgey state of >> ATM support, and the shortage of RAM on pretty much every supported >> device. >> >> On Wed, 2016-06-15 at 19:52 -0700, David Lang wrote: >>> Is there a list of hardware that is needed? (or do you want donations >>> of money >>> for the project to buy hardware)? >>> >>> David Lang >>> >>> On Wed, 15 Jun 2016, John Crispin wrote: >>> >>>> Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 09:29:31 +0200 >>>> From: John Crispin <j...@phrozen.org> >>>> To: LEDE Development List <lede-dev@lists.infradead.org> >>>> Subject: [LEDE-DEV] looking for ar7 testers >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> the ar7 boots with v4.4 but ethernet apparently passes no traffic and >>>> atm is untested. >>>> >>>> we need someone to pick up the maintainer ship and fix this issue. i >>>> have no longer got any hw that can be used for testing. we need this >>>> fixed for it to be part of the release. >>>> >>>> John >>>> >>>> ___ >>>> Lede-dev mailing list >>>> Lede-dev@lists.infradead.org >>>> http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/lede-dev >> >> >> >> ___ >> Lede-dev mailing list >> Lede-dev@lists.infradead.org >> http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/lede-dev >> > > ___ > Lede-dev mailing list > Lede-dev@lists.infradead.org > http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/lede-dev ___ Lede-dev mailing list Lede-dev@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/lede-dev
Re: [LEDE-DEV] looking for ar7 testers
Ok, so it sounds like this particular hardware is not wanted and support may be dropped. But for the general case, my question still stands. What hardware (including brand-new devices, wishlists for future devices, etc) is wanted, how can it be donated? David Lang On Wed, 15 Jun 2016, Daniel Gimpelevich wrote: Ethernet support on ar7 had to be shoehorn-hacked in for each device individually. What would fix it on one would break it on another. I had been in process of trying to come up with a unifying Ethernet hack a few years ago, but I became discouraged by the incomplete GPL tarballs, the lack of a wireless driver for the 1350A chipset, the kludgey state of ATM support, and the shortage of RAM on pretty much every supported device. On Wed, 2016-06-15 at 19:52 -0700, David Lang wrote: Is there a list of hardware that is needed? (or do you want donations of money for the project to buy hardware)? David Lang On Wed, 15 Jun 2016, John Crispin wrote: Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 09:29:31 +0200 From: John Crispin <j...@phrozen.org> To: LEDE Development List <lede-dev@lists.infradead.org> Subject: [LEDE-DEV] looking for ar7 testers Hi, the ar7 boots with v4.4 but ethernet apparently passes no traffic and atm is untested. we need someone to pick up the maintainer ship and fix this issue. i have no longer got any hw that can be used for testing. we need this fixed for it to be part of the release. John ___ Lede-dev mailing list Lede-dev@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/lede-dev ___ Lede-dev mailing list Lede-dev@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/lede-dev ___ Lede-dev mailing list Lede-dev@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/lede-dev
Re: [LEDE-DEV] looking for ar7 testers
Ethernet support on ar7 had to be shoehorn-hacked in for each device individually. What would fix it on one would break it on another. I had been in process of trying to come up with a unifying Ethernet hack a few years ago, but I became discouraged by the incomplete GPL tarballs, the lack of a wireless driver for the 1350A chipset, the kludgey state of ATM support, and the shortage of RAM on pretty much every supported device. On Wed, 2016-06-15 at 19:52 -0700, David Lang wrote: > Is there a list of hardware that is needed? (or do you want donations of > money > for the project to buy hardware)? > > David Lang > > On Wed, 15 Jun 2016, John Crispin wrote: > > > Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 09:29:31 +0200 > > From: John Crispin <j...@phrozen.org> > > To: LEDE Development List <lede-dev@lists.infradead.org> > > Subject: [LEDE-DEV] looking for ar7 testers > > > > Hi, > > > > the ar7 boots with v4.4 but ethernet apparently passes no traffic and > > atm is untested. > > > > we need someone to pick up the maintainer ship and fix this issue. i > > have no longer got any hw that can be used for testing. we need this > > fixed for it to be part of the release. > > > > John > > > > ___ > > Lede-dev mailing list > > Lede-dev@lists.infradead.org > > http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/lede-dev ___ Lede-dev mailing list Lede-dev@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/lede-dev
Re: [LEDE-DEV] looking for ar7 testers
Is there a list of hardware that is needed? (or do you want donations of money for the project to buy hardware)? David Lang On Wed, 15 Jun 2016, John Crispin wrote: Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 09:29:31 +0200 From: John Crispin <j...@phrozen.org> To: LEDE Development List <lede-dev@lists.infradead.org> Subject: [LEDE-DEV] looking for ar7 testers Hi, the ar7 boots with v4.4 but ethernet apparently passes no traffic and atm is untested. we need someone to pick up the maintainer ship and fix this issue. i have no longer got any hw that can be used for testing. we need this fixed for it to be part of the release. John ___ Lede-dev mailing list Lede-dev@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/lede-dev ___ Lede-dev mailing list Lede-dev@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/lede-dev
