Re: Question about actual vs effective dates

2010-07-12 Thread Simon Michael
On 7/11/10 8:28 PM, John Wiegley wrote: Sounds great to me! May I borrow some of your wording for the 3.0 manual? Absolutely.

Re: Question about actual vs effective dates

2010-07-11 Thread Simon Michael
Here's my latest attempt at documenting this, now harmonised with John's usage. How did I do ? # Actual/effective dates Real-life transactions sometimes have two (or more) dates of interest. For example, you might buy a movie ticket on friday with a debit or credit card, and the

Re: Question about actual vs effective dates

2010-07-11 Thread John Wiegley
On Jul 11, 2010, at 11:40 AM, Simon Michael wrote: Here's my latest attempt at documenting this, now harmonised with John's usage. How did I do ? Sounds great to me! May I borrow some of your wording for the 3.0 manual? John

Re: Question about actual vs effective dates

2010-07-07 Thread Martin Michlmayr
* Simon Michael si...@joyful.com [2010-07-06 16:37]: in replacing the actual/effective terminology with charge/book date ? It seems to me the latter are easier to keep straight and to talk about, and --book is shorter than --effective. You just mixed it up again. ;-) actual == booking

Re: Question about actual vs effective dates

2010-07-07 Thread Martin Michlmayr
* John Wiegley jo...@newartisans.com [2010-07-06 19:43]: The charge book thing makes no real sense to me. I don't have books per se. I could create an --alt flag, meaning to just use the alternate date. imho --effective is a good name for the option because it's the effective date. What

Re: Question about actual vs effective dates

2010-07-07 Thread Simon Michael
On 7/7/10 2:25 AM, Martin Michlmayr wrote: This is because actual date is ambiguous as you can argue both ways: effective is ambiguous too! As I tried to show. But actual and effective have become line noise with random meaning to me now. I thought of identifying them by which is earliest!

Re: Question about actual vs effective dates

2010-07-07 Thread Martin Michlmayr
* Simon Michael si...@joyful.com [2010-07-07 08:31]: I thought of identifying them by which is earliest! I don't think that works either. Consider cashing a check: your bank might show the transaction when you give them the check but it might take a few days for the check to clear. I don't

Re: Question about actual vs effective dates

2010-07-07 Thread Eric
* Martin Michlmayr t...@cyrius.com 2010-07-07 18:58 * Simon Michael si...@joyful.com [2010-07-07 08:31]: I thought of identifying them by which is earliest! I don't think that works either. Consider cashing a check: your bank might show the transaction when you give them the check but it

Re: Question about actual vs effective dates

2010-07-06 Thread Simon Michael
On 7/6/10 12:42 PM, John Wiegley wrote: On Jul 5, 2010, at 12:20 PM, Martin Michlmayr wrote: * Simon Michaelsi...@joyful.com [2010-06-15 23:46]: Martin, I had the same confusion (see http://hledger.org/MANUAL.html#actual-and-effective-dates). Yeah, I'd say that example is wrong.

Re: Question about actual vs effective dates

2010-07-06 Thread Simon Michael
On 7/6/10 4:24 PM, Simon Michael wrote: In other words, I interpreted actual and effective differently when I learned ledger, so now I'm used to appending =BOOKDATE, and the idea of prepending BOOKDATE= seems bizarre. :) I'll try to get my head around that before suggesting anything. Well.

Re: Question about actual vs effective dates

2010-06-16 Thread Simon Michael
Martin, I had the same confusion (see http://hledger.org/MANUAL.html#actual-and-effective-dates). FYI http://books.google.com/books?id=4V8pZmpwmBYClpg=PP1dq=analysis%20patternspg=PA98#v=onepageqf=false gives alternate terminology: charge date (when the charge is made) and booked date (when the

Re: Question about actual vs effective dates

2010-06-13 Thread John Wiegley
On Jun 13, 2010, at 5:34 AM, Martin Michlmayr wrote: This isn't really ledger related but I hope someone can help. I thought I understood actual vs effective dates but it seems I'm more confused than I thought. Actual and effective have no internal meaning to Ledger. They mean whatever you