Re: [LU] NON LU: European Referendum

2016-06-08 Thread Ian Murray
Think it's a bit of a stretch to call Blair Scottish. Sent from my iPhone > On 9 Jun 2016, at 07:23, Paul Cundell wrote: > >> On 8 Jun 2016 23:21, "Rob Heath" wrote: >> >> That is exactly right. >> >> The Scots were bitching and moaning about the

Re: [LU] NON LU: European Referendum

2016-06-08 Thread Paul Cundell
On 8 Jun 2016 23:21, "Rob Heath" wrote: > > That is exactly right. > > The Scots were bitching and moaning about the metropolitan elite down in > London running their country What makes me laugh about that complaint is that for the majority of the 20 years

Re: [LU] NON LU: European Referendum

2016-06-08 Thread Rob Heath
That is exactly right. The Scots were bitching and moaning about the metropolitan elite down in London running their countryit would only have taken 5 mins if they HAD got their independence before all the people in Aberdeen & Inverness would have started moaning about the

Re: [LU] NONLU: EU

2016-06-08 Thread Nick
spot on that man…Farrage forced the issue; an unnecessary referendum is promised; the festering rump of “the bastards” (c. John Major) saw their chance…and here we are - Cameron is a dead man walking whatever the result…Mike Ashley/Philip Green et al are the kind of bosses that we will get “to

Re: [LU] NON LU: European Referendum

2016-06-08 Thread Matt Anderson
That's fine. Suits the Swiss and we are devolvinghere. Am talking about where does independence stop. I think Farsley would be much better off splitting from Pudsey and I want a wall built to keep people from Rodley out! -Original Message- From: Rick Duniec (@ntl)

Re: [LU] NON LU: European Referendum

2016-06-08 Thread Rick Duniec (@ntl)
If we start the breakaway we'll end up with villages city states! Surely it is the European Union concept itself which best promotes regions as autonomous/semi-autonomous statelets within the greater Euro state ? Isn't that the point ? The more centralised we become as "Europe" the less that

Re: [LU] NON LU: European Referendum

2016-06-08 Thread Richard Naef
NON LU: European Referendum > > > Not decided yet, depends on whether or not they extend the time to register > to vote as have just moved house (again) :-) yup it's been extended! https://www.gov.uk/register-to-vote ___ Leedslist mailing list Info

Re: [LU] NON LU: European Referendum

2016-06-08 Thread Matt Anderson
What I love about all this and the Yorkshire first thing is that we are fighting to stay/leave Europe because we are all British and we want our country back! Now have a look at the welsh half the irish and the scots and they aren't feeing very british. Then look at the north and south. cant

Re: [LU] NONLU: EU

2016-06-08 Thread Matt Anderson
100% agree -Original Message- From: Leedslist [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of {broken-address} Sent: 08 June 2016 14:42 To: Richard Naef Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org Subject: Re: [LU] NONLU: EU Not sure I should be dipping a toe into this, but whilst Greece certainly has

Re: [LU] NON LU: European Referendum

2016-06-08 Thread John Boo ok
Not decided yet, depends on whether or not they extend the time to register to vote as have just moved house (again) :-) Most likely remain whilst holding my nose Sent from the middle of a big field > On 8 Jun 2016, at 15:50, Ian Murray wrote: > > So how are you

Re: [LU] NON LU: European Referendum

2016-06-08 Thread Ian Murray
So how are you voting? Sent from my iPhone > On 8 Jun 2016, at 16:43, John Boocock wrote: > > If anyone is interested here is the stance we took at Yorkshire First: > > http://www.yorkshirefirst.org.uk/europe > > For me personally, a Scottish style referendum result of

[LU] blast from the past!

2016-06-08 Thread Richard Naef
talking of matters European, Bruno Ribeiro is up for the manager's job at Port Vale! ttfn Richard ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email

Re: [LU] NONLU: EU

2016-06-08 Thread Richard Naef
> > Greece wants for example 500m to build 14 unnecessary new airports. > Germans win the contract to build airports. Greeks realise there was no > point in the airports and they aren't generating the cash to repay and sell to > Fraport the german airport operator at a knockdown price say 150m. >

Re: [LU] NON-LU Is there a footy match this weekend?

2016-06-08 Thread Brendan Osborne
>From an Irish perspective (on the football that is), we cannot do any worse >than we did 4 years ago. ;-) We also have a history of punching above our weight against the top teams, and being terrible against the smaller ones (any of this sounding familiar?), so our group (Italy Belgium and

Re: [LU] NONLU: EU

2016-06-08 Thread Matt Anderson
Exactly! Greece wants for example 500m to build 14 unnecessary new airports. Germans win the contract to build airports. Greeks realise there was no point in the airports and they aren't generating the cash to repay and sell to Fraport the german airport operator at a knockdown price say 150m.

Re: [LU] NONLU: EU

2016-06-08 Thread Richard Naef
> Question: Is it really the case in other EU countries that these retirees > enjoy the luxury of free healthcare? I doubt that very much, but I am > completely ignorant of the state of play as far as that is concerned. > Australia does NOT provide free healthcare for foreign visitors, much

Re: [LU] NON-LU Is there a footy match this weekend?

2016-06-08 Thread Matt Anderson
Not optimistic about England. Very much like the EU was pro hodgson a few years back now beginning to doubt it and have no faith! If he stifles the good young talent we have against a bang average injury ravaged Russia he has to go. -Original Message- From: Leedslist

Re: [LU] NONLU: EU

2016-06-08 Thread Ian Murray
The answer is they do, but it's kind of illusory because most uk citizens in the EU are self funded retirees. They do not impact the job market and are a net gain to the host country, spending their pensions and so on. In terms of the Greek debate. I get that they ran out of money, but they

Re: [LU] NONLU: EU

2016-06-08 Thread Matt Anderson
For me there are two sides, the vision of a united Europe, people sharing prosperity and living in harmony which I support And then there is the current reality, a creeping centre left coup by the original Schengen countries to control everything which has blown up in their face and caused the

Re: [LU] NONLU: EU

2016-06-08 Thread Matt Anderson
But voting out your aussie girl would still have to jump through hoops because the little Englander mentiality will prevail and if we want to trade with the EU we will still have to agree to free movement of labour as Switzerland and Norway do as a pre condition. Personally I welcome as many

Re: [LU] NONLU: EU

2016-06-08 Thread Matt Anderson
Yep, under arrangements between UK and EU they recharge costs (e111 or something). Basically and sweeping generality costa del sol and province 1m brits largely of a mature age with arthritis heart trouble and age related issues vs more young fit healthy Lithuanians Poles and the like coming to

[LU] NON-LU Is there a footy match this weekend?

2016-06-08 Thread Peter Castlehouse
Four years ago, this list was alight with everybody's predictions, reasons for gloom and other subjects and topics that took us away from our dreary daily toll in the salt mines. As a comparison with the Brexit referendum, does nobody give a damn or have an opinion then about our national

Re: [LU] NONLU: EU

2016-06-08 Thread Nigel Sykes
> Question: Is it really the case in other EU countries that these retirees > enjoy the luxury of free healthcare? I doubt that very much, but I am > completely ignorant of the state of play as far as that is concerned. As a Brit who lives both in Ireland and France, I can confirm that EU

Re: [LU] NONLU: EU

2016-06-08 Thread Peter Castlehouse
I see your point on nearly everything you stated here Naefy, but take exception to this one... Hundreds of thousands of Uk residents live in Europe, often retirees, with the attached pressure on the host countries health systems. (/snip> Question: Is it really the case in other EU countries

Re: [LU] NONLU: EU

2016-06-08 Thread ejwalsh
The Greeks voted to end austerity which is there right. However what did they expect then? They wanted monies from other countries to run there state which has not functioned for at least the past 30 years. Basically they wanted money from everyone without the requirement to pay it back. Look at

Re: [LU] NONLU: EU

2016-06-08 Thread Rob Heath
Funny to read all this stuff.I've been threatened with banishment for talking politics on this list! But since it seems that it's suddenly OK after all, I'll throw in my woodshavings: The whole referendum is a farce; it is a trumped up issue that most people are totally

Re: [LU] NONLU: EU

2016-06-08 Thread Ian Murray
I'm voting out not because of any Muslim issue! I'm voting out for reasons of democracy. The commission is the executive and is unelected. Look at what they did to Greece, the Greeks voted overwhelmingly to end the austerity imposed upon them and were ignored. Technocrat governments have been

Re: [LU] NONLU: EU

2016-06-08 Thread Paul Cundell
On 8 June 2016 at 10:15, Matt Anderson wrote: > Exactly! I despise politicians they are all in it for themselves not us. You > only have to look at boris's pro eu comments when it suited him a couple of > years ago > Or Camerons's volte face on the radical/proud muslim

Re: [LU] NONLU: EU

2016-06-08 Thread Matt Anderson
Exactly! I despise politicians they are all in it for themselves not us. You only have to look at boris's pro eu comments when it suited him a couple of years ago However we voted for them and they should be doing stuff like this. If we don't want them to do that vote them out in 3 years and

[LU] NONLU: EU

2016-06-08 Thread Richard Naef
> > Rich, I think that's a bit of a (typically) narrow view of it all, there are MP's > across ALL parties who are split on this, it just seems to be the one's in focus > are Gove & Johnson, both of whom are surely stating that they will never > lead the Tories should the remain campo win ...

[LU] NON LU: European Referendum

2016-06-08 Thread John Boocock
If anyone is interested here is the stance we took at Yorkshire First: http://www.yorkshirefirst.org.uk/europe For me personally, a Scottish style referendum result of about 45/55 with the following upsurge of political activity (albeit mostly centred on removing much of the ragged elements

Re: [LU] Could be a fun pre-season for our lot

2016-06-08 Thread Tim Leslie
Rich, I think that's a bit of a (typically) narrow view of it all, there are MP's across ALL parties who are split on this, it just seems to be the one's in focus are Gove & Johnson, both of whom are surely stating that they will never lead the Tories should the remain campo win ... Which I think