[LU] Luton first half

[{broken-address} Richard walker]

As usual, we’ve had all the pressure and all the chances but have failed to 
convert with Bamford and Harrison being guilty of bad misses. Hernandez looks 
lively but at the back Beradi is playing as a left back and at times looks to 
be struggling against the pace of Luton’s right winger.

Dallas looks a bit lost in left midfield and Roberts short passing game just 
hasn’t got going yet. 

I think we’ll win this bit they do look dangerous on the attack and we look 
shaky from corners.

Where’s Eddie when you need him? Has he had his bollocks untwisted yet ?

First beer of the day in hand ... Ilkley pale ale , very nice. 
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[LU] Luton ont’interweb

[{broken-address} Richard walker]

Yee !

Great result but make no mistake this was a hard game and we struggled second 
half against a poor Luton team. Izzy Brown for me was the best midfielder on 
the park and I was very glad he was subbed because he was running us ragged and 
created their goal.

For me, we lost our way 2nd half and that hasn’t happened many times this 
season. I thought the last ball and some of our passing today was woeful. I 
also thought defensively we were poor ( except White who was a one man defence 
at times). Ayling was really poor and Beradi had his worst game for Leeds. He 
looked slow and I’ve never said that. 

We still had chance after chance but most of our efforts were rolled tamely 
into the keeper’s arms.

It’s very interesting that mindset settled this game. Luton, having equalised 
and having their best football of the game suddenly realised that a point would 
be a good result. They took their best player off and sat back, that helped us 
get ourselves together and get the winner. Bad management from them.

Scores:

Casilla - 6. One decent save and no chance with the goal

Ayling - 3. I thought he was really poor, he looks shaky and hesitant and I 
would put Dallas straight back in that position.

White - 8. Was a one man defence at times.

Beradi - 3.  I think that was his worst performance for Leeds. Was he playing 
centre back or left back , I don’t think he knew and he really struggled 
against a lively Luton winger , who also was strangely taken off2nd half

Philips - 5. I think it was interesting to see him up against Izzy Brown and at 
times he struggled. Brown has acceleration and that bit extra, Kalvin doesn’t 
however in the other hand Izzy went off, probably cos he was knackered, whereas 
Kalvin was still putting tackles and pushing forward to the end. I just wish 
Kalvin had a bit more pace. Not his best game.

Hernandez - 7. Lively, had loads of the ball.  Loads of lose passes but he was 
there and he made things happen.

Klich - 5. You can never accuse Klich of doing nothing, he’s everywhere but 
today his passing and link up play was poor and he had 2 great goal scoring 
chances and he fluffed them. He’s lost that aspect of his game for now.

Dallas - 6. Looked lost playing left midfield. Still did a lot of good stuff 
but give him the right back position.

Harrison- 5. Missed the easiest chance of the game and as usual promised a lot 
but delivered little.

Bamford - 7. Good to see him on the scoresheet but he really should have had a 
hat trick today. Missed a real sitter second half when he volleyed over from 5 
yards.

Roberts- 3. Nothing happened for Roberts today. Sometimes his football is just 
a bit too clever.

Subs :

Costa - 5. Yes he got on the ball in good positions but like Harrison he just 
didn’t deliver.

Clarke - 5. It was good to see him play but it was immediately clear that his 
first thought was to turn inside and play the ball back rather than run at the 
defence. He wouldn’t have considered that last season needs to get his 
confidence back.

Cooper - 7. Steadied us and won some good challenges and did some great cross 
pitch passes.

So overall, this was a fantastic performance but it was worrying the way we 
lost our way 2nd half. I think fucking about with the defensive formation , 
changing 4 to 3 then back.

Vino time. 



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Re: [LU] blacburn

[{broken-address} Richard walker]

Is the list down ?



> On 10 Nov 2019, at 17:30, Nicholas Armit via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> Thanks Dave great to read as always.
> Nick
>On Sunday, November 10, 2019, 04:17:52 AM EST, nat...@sky.com 
>  wrote:  
> 
> Another home game and another win , 4 on the bounce now, and this result 
> coupled with QPR last week makes the two away draws good results, 8 pts from 
> 4 games.
>  Once again we were the better side and once again we failed to really 
> capitilise on it, albeit it did look at one stage as if this was the game 
> when we were going to hand out the drubbing we have been expecting all 
> season.  
> We started slowly but they had nothing to offer really and it was no great 
> surprise that we went ahead. A lovely chipped ball by the , once again very 
> impressive, Roberts fooled their defence and as Ayling went after the ball he 
> was taken out , a definite penatly.  On the train my lad and I had been 
> discussing who should take any penalty we got today, he wanted Kilch to have 
> another go, I said Bamford should take it if he felt confident enough - a pen 
> is almost a free goal for a striker and Bamford needed a goal. The downside 
> of that of course would be if he missed, what would the crowd's reaction be ? 
> Those at the games have been very much behind him, appreciating all his 
> effort and what he brings to the team. the twitter etc fans only look at his 
> very poor scoring record. Would a miss change those dynamics inside ER and 
> what about the affect on Pat himself? Anyway no need to worry, he stepped up 
> and sent the keeper the wrong way and stroked it home - there is still 
> someting not quite correct when you see a left footed player take a penalty.  
> So 1 up and as in all previous games the general feeling was we need another. 
> well lo and behold we got one, and very soon after and what a goal. A 
> brilliant cross field pass by the Yorkshire Pirlo was brilliantly controlled 
> by Bamford and rolled with perfect timing and weight into the path of 
> Harrison, who continured his own great run (2 goals in 2 and 5 or 6 asssists 
> in 5 or 6 games) and he passed it into the net via the post.
>  Great, game over, lets enjoy it all now and get a few more goals. Well that 
> did not happen as we let them get one back almost immediatley.  Again pre 
> match we had been talking and sayng how odd it was that our defence was, 
> statistically the best in the top 6 divisions, and how that did not feel like 
> the case. We agreed that we were still vulnerable at corners but even then it 
> had been scruffy scrambles not straight free headers that had cost us. Well 
> yesterday was a straight free header - lad ran in unmarked on the pentaly 
> spot and headed home with power. So we then had to spend the next 50 or so 
> minutes only one goal up, hoping against hope that if we didnt get the next 
> goal we would at least not concede.
>  The second half passed wtihout much incident, or none that I recall (the 
> extra half time pint not good for my memory ) Bamford shot wide, Roberts shot 
> at the keeper, Harrison flashed a shot cum cross just wide of the post as 
> Bamford could not quite reach it. Perhaps the best chance fell to Harrison 
> but for once, probably the best player in the League for first touch control, 
> took his eye off the ball and the chance went begging. Berra came on for the 
> injured Cooper and blasted a tackle / interception into the top tier of the 
> West Stand. The huge crowd, we even had some of the away seats again, was 
> very quiet as we ground out the result. So all in all whilst we do not have 
> the exceitemnt and verve of last season we do seem have better game 
> management. Costa continues to improve, Roberts showed us what we have been 
> missing, and Ben White showed why he will get 50 England caps. So 2 weeks off 
> now, time to get Cooper fit and hopefully time for Forshaw, Alioski, Pablo, 
> Shackleton and of course Eddie to get fit and give Bielsa some real seletcion 
> head aches. Whne we come back we have the chance wiht the games we have 
> coming up to pile on a few points and join maybe West Brom in getting away 
> from the packDave
> 
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Re: [LU] blacburn

[{broken-address} Nicholas Armit]

All celebrating!!


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Saturday, November 23, 2019, 12:57 PM, Richard walker 
 wrote:

Is the list down ?



> On 10 Nov 2019, at 17:30, Nicholas Armit via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> Thanks Dave great to read as always.
> Nick
>    On Sunday, November 10, 2019, 04:17:52 AM EST, nat...@sky.com 
> wrote:  
> 
> Another home game and another win , 4 on the bounce now, and this result 
> coupled with QPR last week makes the two away draws good results, 8 pts from 
> 4 games.
>  Once again we were the better side and once again we failed to really 
>capitilise on it, albeit it did look at one stage as if this was the game when 
>we were going to hand out the drubbing we have been expecting all season.  
> We started slowly but they had nothing to offer really and it was no great 
> surprise that we went ahead. A lovely chipped ball by the , once again very 
> impressive, Roberts fooled their defence and as Ayling went after the ball he 
> was taken out , a definite penatly.  On the train my lad and I had been 
> discussing who should take any penalty we got today, he wanted Kilch to have 
> another go, I said Bamford should take it if he felt confident enough - a pen 
> is almost a free goal for a striker and Bamford needed a goal. The downside 
> of that of course would be if he missed, what would the crowd's reaction be ? 
> Those at the games have been very much behind him, appreciating all his 
> effort and what he brings to the team. the twitter etc fans only look at his 
> very poor scoring record. Would a miss change those dynamics inside ER and 
> what about the affect on Pat himself? Anyway no need to worry, he stepped up 
> and sent the keeper the wrong way and stroked it home - there is still 
> someting not quite correct when you see a left footed player take a penalty.  
> So 1 up and as in all previous games the general feeling was we need another. 
> well lo and behold we got one, and very soon after and what a goal. A 
> brilliant cross field pass by the Yorkshire Pirlo was brilliantly controlled 
> by Bamford and rolled with perfect timing and weight into the path of 
> Harrison, who continured his own great run (2 goals in 2 and 5 or 6 asssists 
> in 5 or 6 games) and he passed it into the net via the post.
>  Great, game over, lets enjoy it all now and get a few more goals. Well that 
>did not happen as we let them get one back almost immediatley.  Again pre 
>match we had been talking and sayng how odd it was that our defence was, 
>statistically the best in the top 6 divisions, and how that did not feel like 
>the case. We agreed that we were still vulnerable at corners but even then it 
>had been scruffy scrambles not straight free headers that had cost us. Well 
>yesterday was a straight free header - lad ran in unmarked on the pentaly spot 
>and headed home with power. So we then had to spend the next 50 or so minutes 
>only one goal up, hoping against hope that if we didnt get the next goal we 
>would at least not concede.
>  The second half passed wtihout much incident, or none that I recall (the 
>extra half time pint not good for my memory ) Bamford shot wide, Roberts shot 
>at the keeper, Harrison flashed a shot cum cross just wide of the post as 
>Bamford could not quite reach it. Perhaps the best chance fell to Harrison but 
>for once, probably the best player in the League for first touch control, took 
>his eye off the ball and the chance went begging. Berra came on for the 
>injured Cooper and blasted a tackle / interception into the top tier of the 
>West Stand. The huge crowd, we even had some of the away seats again, was very 
>quiet as we ground out the result. So all in all whilst we do not have the 
>exceitemnt and verve of last season we do seem have better game management. 
>Costa continues to improve, Roberts showed us what we have been missing, and 
>Ben White showed why he will get 50 England caps. So 2 weeks off now, time to 
>get Cooper fit and hopefully time for Forshaw, Alioski, Pablo, Shackleton and 
>of course Eddie to get fit and give Bielsa some real seletcion head aches. 
>Whne we come back we have the chance wiht the games we have coming up to pile 
>on a few points and join maybe West Brom in getting away from the packDave
> 
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Re: [LU] blacburn

[{broken-address} Richard walker]

My match report from the armchair hasnt appeared ?


> On 23 Nov 2019, at 18:09, Nicholas Armit  wrote:
> 
> All celebrating!!
> 
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
> 
> On Saturday, November 23, 2019, 12:57 PM, Richard walker 
>  wrote:
> 
> Is the list down ?
> 
> 
> 
> > On 10 Nov 2019, at 17:30, Nicholas Armit via Leedslist 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Thanks Dave great to read as always.
> > Nick
> >On Sunday, November 10, 2019, 04:17:52 AM EST, nat...@sky.com 
> >  wrote:  
> > 
> > Another home game and another win , 4 on the bounce now, and this result 
> > coupled with QPR last week makes the two away draws good results, 8 pts 
> > from 4 games.
> >  Once again we were the better side and once again we failed to really 
> > capitilise on it, albeit it did look at one stage as if this was the game 
> > when we were going to hand out the drubbing we have been expecting all 
> > season.  
> > We started slowly but they had nothing to offer really and it was no great 
> > surprise that we went ahead. A lovely chipped ball by the , once again very 
> > impressive, Roberts fooled their defence and as Ayling went after the ball 
> > he was taken out , a definite penatly.  On the train my lad and I had been 
> > discussing who should take any penalty we got today, he wanted Kilch to 
> > have another go, I said Bamford should take it if he felt confident enough 
> > - a pen is almost a free goal for a striker and Bamford needed a goal. The 
> > downside of that of course would be if he missed, what would the crowd's 
> > reaction be ? Those at the games have been very much behind him, 
> > appreciating all his effort and what he brings to the team. the twitter etc 
> > fans only look at his very poor scoring record. Would a miss change those 
> > dynamics inside ER and what about the affect on Pat himself? Anyway no need 
> > to worry, he stepped up and sent the keeper the wrong way and stroked it 
> > home - there is still someting not quite correct when you see a left footed 
> > player take a penalty.  
> > So 1 up and as in all previous games the general feeling was we need 
> > another. well lo and behold we got one, and very soon after and what a 
> > goal. A brilliant cross field pass by the Yorkshire Pirlo was brilliantly 
> > controlled by Bamford and rolled with perfect timing and weight into the 
> > path of Harrison, who continured his own great run (2 goals in 2 and 5 or 6 
> > asssists in 5 or 6 games) and he passed it into the net via the post.
> >  Great, game over, lets enjoy it all now and get a few more goals. Well 
> > that did not happen as we let them get one back almost immediatley.  Again 
> > pre match we had been talking and sayng how odd it was that our defence 
> > was, statistically the best in the top 6 divisions, and how that did not 
> > feel like the case. We agreed that we were still vulnerable at corners but 
> > even then it had been scruffy scrambles not straight free headers that had 
> > cost us. Well yesterday was a straight free header - lad ran in unmarked on 
> > the pentaly spot and headed home with power. So we then had to spend the 
> > next 50 or so minutes only one goal up, hoping against hope that if we 
> > didnt get the next goal we would at least not concede.
> >  The second half passed wtihout much incident, or none that I recall (the 
> > extra half time pint not good for my memory ) Bamford shot wide, Roberts 
> > shot at the keeper, Harrison flashed a shot cum cross just wide of the post 
> > as Bamford could not quite reach it. Perhaps the best chance fell to 
> > Harrison but for once, probably the best player in the League for first 
> > touch control, took his eye off the ball and the chance went begging. Berra 
> > came on for the injured Cooper and blasted a tackle / interception into the 
> > top tier of the West Stand. The huge crowd, we even had some of the away 
> > seats again, was very quiet as we ground out the result. So all in all 
> > whilst we do not have the exceitemnt and verve of last season we do seem 
> > have better game management. Costa continues to improve, Roberts showed us 
> > what we have been missing, and Ben White showed why he will get 50 England 
> > caps. So 2 weeks off now, time to get Cooper fit and hopefully time for 
> > Forshaw, Alioski, Pablo, Shackleton and of course Eddie to get fit and give 
> > Bielsa some real seletcion head aches. Whne we come back we have the chance 
> > wiht the games we have coming up to pile on a few points and join maybe 
> > West Brom in getting away from the packDave
> > 
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Re: [LU] Berardi scores !!

[{broken-address} Richard Walker]

Own goal apparently 

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> On 12 Oct 2018, at 13:31, "nat...@sky.com"  wrote:
> 
> gets a header from a corner ! for u23s v Burnley
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Re: [LU] report in the Observer

[{broken-address}]

In my defence, I didn’t see the push pull shizzle on their bench re Alioski. 
Anyone know what minute that happened?

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> On 7 Oct 2018, at 15:22, {broken-address} Nicholas Armit 
>  wrote:
> 
> Fair?!! Alisoski went to retrieve a ball that one of their coached refuse to 
> give back and got head butted for it. Very poor reporting on that point.
> Earlier Alioski had appeared to shove a member of Brentford’s staff when 
> collecting a loose ball. “That incident might need looking into,’ said Smith, 
> who noted the home crowd’s furious indignation at the stoppage time dismissal 
> of Leeds’ Luke Ayling for his second bookable offence, namely a foul on Alan 
> Judge.
> 
> The other thing is that folks saying how poor we are (!) and yet Brentford 
> also gave away the ball countless times. Also they did not have many clear 
> cut chances at all after the first 10 minutes.
> Nick
>    On Sunday, October 7, 2018, 6:32:46 AM EDT, {broken-address} 
>  wrote:  
> 
> Yep, fair analysis. 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 7 Oct 2018, at 11:16, Nick  wrote:
>> 
>> gets it pretty much right…
>> 
>> https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/oct/06/leeds-united-brentford-championship-match-report
>>  
>> <https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/oct/06/leeds-united-brentford-championship-match-report>
>> 
>> …especially the bit about this being high risk football that would be 
>> disastrous in the Premier league. “Tactical anarchy…” Indeed.
>> 
>> Nick
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Re: [LU] Brentford

[{broken-address} Richard Walker]

He did well but ultimately it was an off target shot and that was the best he 
conjured up all game. I think he's got promise but at the moment I think he 
needs a bit of coaching on how to play in the box.


> On 7 Oct 2018, at 16:27, Robert Heath  wrote:
> 
> The one at the end was a brilliant effort...he shouldn't have even 
> have got to the ball ahead of the defender. If you have ever played football, 
> you will understand that he could not possibly wrap his foot around the ball 
> enough to get that on target, but he did really well to get it close.
> 
>> On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 11:23 AM Richard Walker  
>> wrote:
>> First one was the equivalent of a back pass to the keeper and the one at the 
>> end wasn’t even in target.
>> 
>> As I said he did ok but we need better up front if we’re considering 
>> promotion 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> > On 7 Oct 2018, at 11:00, Robert Heath  wrote:
>> > 
>> > " but never really threatened in their box "...er, apart from the
>> > one shot we had on target in the first half, and the moment near the end
>> > when he did brilliantly to get ahead of a defender to a cross which he had
>> > no right to reach and turned the ball inches past the post.
>> > 
>> > On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 10:07 AM {broken-address} Richard Walker <
>> > richleed...@yahoo.co.uk.is-broken.gn.apc.org> wrote:
>> > 
>> >> Missed Tyler Roberts who I thought looked tidy but never really threatened
>> >> in their box and I think that may be his problem in that he isn’t going to
>> >> score the tap-ins
>> >> 
>> >> Sent from my iPhone
>> >> 
>> >>> On 7 Oct 2018, at 08:29, Richard Walker  wrote:
>> >>> 
>> >>> Down to 3rd and form since Pablo got injured which is distinctively
>> >> Heckingbottomish (lower mid table)
>> >>> 
>> >>> I've said it before and I'll say it again but that starting 11 will be
>> >> lucky to make the play offs and today, for the first 70 minutes it was
>> >> clear that we were second best. Our passing was terrible led by Luke 
>> >> Ayling
>> >> whose performance levels have been plummeting all season. Yes I would say
>> >> that since he arrived, he has been a great signing but I'd say at the
>> >> moment he's not worth his place in the team. For the first 20 minutes he
>> >> hit new lows as all his passes went astray, he was out of position
>> >> frequently and then had to foul to recovery his position putting us under
>> >> pressure. Hopefully he'll come back strong after the break.
>> >>> 
>> >>> Mind you, he wasn't the only one who was finding them second best to a
>> >> very good Brentford team. With Brentford completely dominating midfield we
>> >> struggled to create with Allioski and Harrison ineffective and isolated 
>> >> and
>> >> an unbalanced left side with Dallas filling in for the injured Douglas who
>> >> I thought we missed. Too many times Dallas pushed forward leaving holes at
>> >> the back and it was left to Jansson to mop up. Playing Dallas at left back
>> >> was just a very poor managerial decision and all about accommodation of a
>> >> player who is in Bielsa's 22 rather than selecting Pearce who isn't a 
>> >> great
>> >> defender (although as good as Dallas) but would have provided much better
>> >> balance. I thought Bielsa was better than that. We did have one or two
>> >> chances the best falling to Philips who was denied by a great point blank
>> >> save by their keeper. At the other end they hit the bar and Peacock made a
>> >> great save to deny them.
>> >>> 
>> >>> The ref didn't help and from the start you could see he just didn't have
>> >> control of the game. Every free-kick was contentious and it seemed he was
>> >> reacting to players and the crowd for his decision rather than being on 
>> >> top
>> >> of it. Refs like that will ruin games and this ref should be sent back to
>> >> non-league to learn his trade before he ever takes charge of a league 
>> >> match.
>> >>> 
>> >>> Second half wasn't much better and Brentford continued to have the best
>> >> chances and look the more likely to score. Their goal looked at the time 
>> >> to
>> >> be a definite pen and I thought Peacock might hav

Re: [LU] report in the Observer

[{broken-address} Nicholas Armit]

 Fair?!! Alisoski went to retrieve a ball that one of their coached refuse to 
give back and got head butted for it. Very poor reporting on that point.
Earlier Alioski had appeared to shove a member of Brentford’s staff when 
collecting a loose ball. “That incident might need looking into,’ said Smith, 
who noted the home crowd’s furious indignation at the stoppage time dismissal 
of Leeds’ Luke Ayling for his second bookable offence, namely a foul on Alan 
Judge.

The other thing is that folks saying how poor we are (!) and yet Brentford also 
gave away the ball countless times. Also they did not have many clear cut 
chances at all after the first 10 minutes.
Nick
On Sunday, October 7, 2018, 6:32:46 AM EDT, {broken-address} 
 wrote:  
 
 Yep, fair analysis. 

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> On 7 Oct 2018, at 11:16, Nick  wrote:
> 
> gets it pretty much right…
> 
> https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/oct/06/leeds-united-brentford-championship-match-report
>  
> <https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/oct/06/leeds-united-brentford-championship-match-report>
> 
> …especially the bit about this being high risk football that would be 
> disastrous in the Premier league. “Tactical anarchy…” Indeed.
> 
> Nick
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Re: [LU] Brentford

[{broken-address} Nicholas Armit]

 Don't know if Harrison being lightweight is fair. Their left back was very 
good. Sometimes you have just to give credit where credit is due.
On Sunday, October 7, 2018, 6:46:16 AM EDT, Nick  
wrote:  
 
 The problem with the ref was not so much the penalty decision (which he got 
conned on) but the twenty or thirty other challenges - some of them really good 
clean tackles - that he blew for…he just gave the impression that he didn’t 
know what he was doing - Brentford taking the free kick when Ayling hadn’t left 
the pitch…as Dave mentioned I’ve never heard a crowd a sing "you don’t know 
what you’re doing” when the ref gives a free kick to their team…

Ayling was a bag of shite all game
Pontus had one of his best games
Harrison was lightweight and invisible for much of it
They didn’t run the midfield in the first half…it was a 50-50 thing…Klich was 
causing them as many nightmares as they were causing us, but he faded badly.

  

> On 7 Oct 2018, at 11:25, {broken-address} 
>  wrote:
> 
> I don’t think we’re being hyper critical by pointing out the fact that 
> passing a ball seems beyond Ayling (for one). Like Rich, I thought we didn’t 
> deserve even a point, but was ecstatic when Pontus scored. First half we kind 
> of matched Brentford - second half was a very different story. What Bielsa 
> has done with the resources at hand has been miraculous, but when Dallas is 
> first reserve at left back the deficiencies in the squad are pretty clear. 
> 
> The ref was bad, for both teams, but Ayling was stupid beyond belief - 20 
> seconds from the end kicking one of their players on the thigh with studs 
> showing! What an utter bell-end! OK, the ref was rubbish, and was conned for 
> the penalty (although there was contact) but that’s just an excuse really - 
> no doubt Janssons post match interview will land him in bother, but if he 
> thinks the ref robbed us he is seriously deluded! 
> 
> There is plenty to hope for with this team, and maybe reality is that we’re 
> not strong enough yet, but if we can get a couple of decent ball players and 
> integrate a couple of the juniors then it looks good. Passing the ball to our 
> own players is a must though!
> 
> John
>> 
>> From: Leedslist  on behalf of nat...@sky.com 
>> 
>> Sent: Saturday, October 6, 2018 11:23:14 PM
>> To: Leeds List
>> Subject: [LU] Brentford
>> 
>> Wow - there are some ultra critical fans on here. OK we were not at out best 
>> today and we were  very lapse at timesHaving said that apart from the last 
>> 15 minutes when we battered them it was a very even, up and down game with 
>> both teams being on top for periods here and there
>> The referee was as bad as I have seen - in 40 + years of watching LUFC week 
>> after week  I cannot recall fans ever singing' you don't know what you're 
>> doing' and 'you're not fit to referee' after a ref has given a free kick OUR 
>> way ! Yes, we have had plenty of sarcastic cheering when we get a decision 
>> and lots of ironic 'handball ' shouts but nothing like today. The ref was 
>> totally clueless and out of his depth, and like many a ref, seemed to be out 
>> to show he would not be intimidated by the home crowd. At one point Alioski 
>> lost his footing with their lad at least 2 yards away and the ref gave us a 
>> free-kick which led to laughter and the aforementioned chants
>> The penalty was at the opposite end to where I am so hard to determine live 
>> but I have seen it on peoples phones since and that was never a pen in a 
>> million years - the lad got his shot off (would ref have given a pen if it 
>> had gone it) and Ayling made a great goal line clearanceI hate it when 
>> managers blame the ref for one decision so I am not going to say it was his 
>> fault here , BUT in addition to the wrong penalty decision the ref was 
>> pulling us for foul after foul any time players came into contact and was 
>> card happy when it came to Leeds players (no idea why Ayling got sent off 
>> but not seen it since so not going to comment)
>> Anyway back to the game itself. Like I say we had a poor day at the office 
>> and our passing was just that bit wayward - under or over hit too often, or 
>> taking the wrong option.
>> 
>> They were a decent team and got the rub of the green most of the time, much 
>> of it deserved - for example the scramble where Phillips nearly scored but 
>> the keeper did really well and got the luck he needed
>> Harrison was off the pace and out of form and has as much chance of playing 
>> for Man City as Pennington has of playing for Everton - none !
>> We huffed and puffed but at times were out Leeds' by a very decent

Re: [LU] Brentford

[{broken-address} Nicholas Armit]

 I am not a Phillips fan but I thought tis was his best game in ages. And 
Alisoski won the free kick that led to the goal and and took the free kisk. 
Also thought this was his best game. Ayling poor thoughout.
On Sunday, October 7, 2018, 3:29:20 AM EDT, {broken-address} Richard Walker 
 wrote:  
 
 Down to 3rd and form since Pablo got injured which is distinctively 
Heckingbottomish (lower mid table)

I've said it before and I'll say it again but that starting 11 will be lucky to 
make the play offs and today, for the first 70 minutes it was clear that we 
were second best. Our passing was terrible led by Luke Ayling whose performance 
levels have been plummeting all season. Yes I would say that since he arrived, 
he has been a great signing but I'd say at the moment he's not worth his place 
in the team. For the first 20 minutes he hit new lows as all his passes went 
astray, he was out of position frequently and then had to foul to recovery his 
position putting us under pressure. Hopefully he'll come back strong after the 
break. 

Mind you, he wasn't the only one who was finding them second best to a very 
good Brentford team. With Brentford completely dominating midfield we struggled 
to create with Allioski and Harrison ineffective and isolated and an unbalanced 
left side with Dallas filling in for the injured Douglas who I thought we 
missed. Too many times Dallas pushed forward leaving holes at the back and it 
was left to Jansson to mop up. Playing Dallas at left back was just a very poor 
managerial decision and all about accommodation of a player who is in Bielsa's 
22 rather than selecting Pearce who isn't a great defender (although as good as 
Dallas) but would have provided much better balance. I thought Bielsa was 
better than that. We did have one or two chances the best falling to Philips 
who was denied by a great point blank save by their keeper. At the other end 
they hit the bar and Peacock made a great save to deny them. 

The ref didn't help and from the start you could see he just didn't have 
control of the game. Every free-kick was contentious and it seemed he was 
reacting to players and the crowd for his decision rather than being on top of 
it. Refs like that will ruin games and this ref should be sent back to 
non-league to learn his trade before he ever takes charge of a league match.
Second half wasn't much better and Brentford continued to have the best chances 
and look the more likely to score. Their goal looked at the time to be a 
definite pen and I thought Peacock might have got his marching orders but 
looking at it this morning their player conned the ref, however I don't blame 
him for that decision just the 100 others that he got wrong. 
The subs for Leeds - Clarke for Dallas, Forshaw for Siaz and Baker for Klich 
did change things. Allioski went to left back and did ok and in midfield we 
looked quicker and stronger and for the first time in the game we began to 
control things in midfield and create chances. It made me realise that the 
midfield of Siaz, Philips and Klich is too pedestrian. 
 We finally got the goal we deserved for some good play in the last 20 minutes 
with Jansson stooping to nod over the keeper into the net. Queue some scenes in 
the stands and on the pitch.
Scores:
Peacock - 7. One or two decent saves, good kicking and also one or two moments 
of confusion with his defence.
Ayling - 3. Very poor. His passing has deserted him and he looks vulnerable at 
the back. Weak link today. 
Dallas - 3. Kept going forward on his right foot leaving holes in the defence. 
Huge mistake to play him at left back. 
Cooper - 4. Bad mistake for their pen. Same old Cooper will fuck up when the 
pressure is on. 
Jansson - 8. Held us together time and time again. 
Philips - 5. Battled hard but offers little. 
Klich - 5. Definitely not himself today. 
Siaz - 4. Didn't contribute. 
Harrison - 4. Don't rate him. He has no real pace and rarely beats his man. 
Allioski - 5. Offered nothing going forward but when moved to left back he 
seemed to be more at home. 
Subs:
Clarke - LIke the look of the lad. A tall James Milner type player.
Forshaw - Does everything Philips can't
Baker - decent free-kick and he looks like a player to me. 

Did we deserve a point ? I don't think so. Brentford are a better side than us 
and I think we will slip out of the play off places if we continue with this 
starting 11.


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Re: [LU] report in the Observer

[{broken-address}]

Yep, fair analysis. 

Sent from my iPad

> On 7 Oct 2018, at 11:16, Nick  wrote:
> 
> gets it pretty much right…
> 
> https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/oct/06/leeds-united-brentford-championship-match-report
>  
> 
> 
> …especially the bit about this being high risk football that would be 
> disastrous in the Premier league. “Tactical anarchy…” Indeed.
> 
> Nick
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Re: [LU] Brentford

[{broken-address}]

I don’t think we’re being hyper critical by pointing out the fact that passing 
a ball seems beyond Ayling (for one). Like Rich, I thought we didn’t deserve 
even a point, but was ecstatic when Pontus scored. First half we kind of 
matched Brentford - second half was a very different story. What Bielsa has 
done with the resources at hand has been miraculous, but when Dallas is first 
reserve at left back the deficiencies in the squad are pretty clear. 

The ref was bad, for both teams, but Ayling was stupid beyond belief - 20 
seconds from the end kicking one of their players on the thigh with studs 
showing! What an utter bell-end! OK, the ref was rubbish, and was conned for 
the penalty (although there was contact) but that’s just an excuse really - no 
doubt Janssons post match interview will land him in bother, but if he thinks 
the ref robbed us he is seriously deluded! 

There is plenty to hope for with this team, and maybe reality is that we’re not 
strong enough yet, but if we can get a couple of decent ball players and 
integrate a couple of the juniors then it looks good. Passing the ball to our 
own players is a must though!

John
> 
> From: Leedslist  on behalf of nat...@sky.com 
> 
> Sent: Saturday, October 6, 2018 11:23:14 PM
> To: Leeds List
> Subject: [LU] Brentford
> 
> Wow - there are some ultra critical fans on here. OK we were not at out best 
> today and we were  very lapse at timesHaving said that apart from the last 15 
> minutes when we battered them it was a very even, up and down game with both 
> teams being on top for periods here and there
> The referee was as bad as I have seen - in 40 + years of watching LUFC week 
> after week  I cannot recall fans ever singing' you don't know what you're 
> doing' and 'you're not fit to referee' after a ref has given a free kick OUR 
> way ! Yes, we have had plenty of sarcastic cheering when we get a decision 
> and lots of ironic 'handball ' shouts but nothing like today. The ref was 
> totally clueless and out of his depth, and like many a ref, seemed to be out 
> to show he would not be intimidated by the home crowd. At one point Alioski 
> lost his footing with their lad at least 2 yards away and the ref gave us a 
> free-kick which led to laughter and the aforementioned chants
> The penalty was at the opposite end to where I am so hard to determine live 
> but I have seen it on peoples phones since and that was never a pen in a 
> million years - the lad got his shot off (would ref have given a pen if it 
> had gone it) and Ayling made a great goal line clearanceI hate it when 
> managers blame the ref for one decision so I am not going to say it was his 
> fault here , BUT in addition to the wrong penalty decision the ref was 
> pulling us for foul after foul any time players came into contact and was 
> card happy when it came to Leeds players (no idea why Ayling got sent off but 
> not seen it since so not going to comment)
> Anyway back to the game itself. Like I say we had a poor day at the office 
> and our passing was just that bit wayward - under or over hit too often, or 
> taking the wrong option.
> 
> They were a decent team and got the rub of the green most of the time, much 
> of it deserved - for example the scramble where Phillips nearly scored but 
> the keeper did really well and got the luck he needed
> Harrison was off the pace and out of form and has as much chance of playing 
> for Man City as Pennington has of playing for Everton - none !
> We huffed and puffed but at times were out Leeds' by a very decent team
> The missing players caught up with us today but you cannot fault us for 
> effort and we never gave it up - in fact we created more in the last 15 
> minutes than the previous 75 with Roberts and Baker (twice) coming close to 
> getting us a winner
> MB made all 3 subs with 20mins or more to go - none of this sitting back and 
> letting the game pass us by. The best of the subs was giving Clarke a run 
> out. He looks  brilliant and the stand out player for the u23s and for the 
> brief time he was on the pitch he showed enough to suggest he is the real 
> deal and should get more game time in the future
> So another 2 pts dropped at home and, on paper, we have not got many points 
> per game over the last 6 or 7 BUT it is so different from last season - we 
> have not been found out, we can not be bullied and we are not falling apart 
> again- we should have won many of the drawn games and today even though we 
> were far from our best we could easily have had all 3 pts
> Hopefully when we play next Roofe, Douglas and Hernandez will start and 
> Berardi will replace the suspended Ayling
> This is time to get behind the team and buy into the Bielsaball not panic and 
> get on the teams back
> One final comment - for a 12.30 kick off the fans were a bit mental. Lots of 
> plastic bottles thrown from SS after the little shit jumped into them to 
> celebrate his penalty, 

Re: [LU] Brentford

[{broken-address} Richard Walker]

First one was the equivalent of a back pass to the keeper and the one at the 
end wasn’t even in target.

As I said he did ok but we need better up front if we’re considering promotion 

Sent from my iPhone

> On 7 Oct 2018, at 11:00, Robert Heath  wrote:
> 
> " but never really threatened in their box "...er, apart from the
> one shot we had on target in the first half, and the moment near the end
> when he did brilliantly to get ahead of a defender to a cross which he had
> no right to reach and turned the ball inches past the post.
> 
> On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 10:07 AM {broken-address} Richard Walker <
> richleed...@yahoo.co.uk.is-broken.gn.apc.org> wrote:
> 
>> Missed Tyler Roberts who I thought looked tidy but never really threatened
>> in their box and I think that may be his problem in that he isn’t going to
>> score the tap-ins
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 7 Oct 2018, at 08:29, Richard Walker  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Down to 3rd and form since Pablo got injured which is distinctively
>> Heckingbottomish (lower mid table)
>>> 
>>> I've said it before and I'll say it again but that starting 11 will be
>> lucky to make the play offs and today, for the first 70 minutes it was
>> clear that we were second best. Our passing was terrible led by Luke Ayling
>> whose performance levels have been plummeting all season. Yes I would say
>> that since he arrived, he has been a great signing but I'd say at the
>> moment he's not worth his place in the team. For the first 20 minutes he
>> hit new lows as all his passes went astray, he was out of position
>> frequently and then had to foul to recovery his position putting us under
>> pressure. Hopefully he'll come back strong after the break.
>>> 
>>> Mind you, he wasn't the only one who was finding them second best to a
>> very good Brentford team. With Brentford completely dominating midfield we
>> struggled to create with Allioski and Harrison ineffective and isolated and
>> an unbalanced left side with Dallas filling in for the injured Douglas who
>> I thought we missed. Too many times Dallas pushed forward leaving holes at
>> the back and it was left to Jansson to mop up. Playing Dallas at left back
>> was just a very poor managerial decision and all about accommodation of a
>> player who is in Bielsa's 22 rather than selecting Pearce who isn't a great
>> defender (although as good as Dallas) but would have provided much better
>> balance. I thought Bielsa was better than that. We did have one or two
>> chances the best falling to Philips who was denied by a great point blank
>> save by their keeper. At the other end they hit the bar and Peacock made a
>> great save to deny them.
>>> 
>>> The ref didn't help and from the start you could see he just didn't have
>> control of the game. Every free-kick was contentious and it seemed he was
>> reacting to players and the crowd for his decision rather than being on top
>> of it. Refs like that will ruin games and this ref should be sent back to
>> non-league to learn his trade before he ever takes charge of a league match.
>>> 
>>> Second half wasn't much better and Brentford continued to have the best
>> chances and look the more likely to score. Their goal looked at the time to
>> be a definite pen and I thought Peacock might have got his marching orders
>> but looking at it this morning their player conned the ref, however I don't
>> blame him for that decision just the 100 others that he got wrong.
>>> 
>>> The subs for Leeds - Clarke for Dallas, Forshaw for Siaz and Baker for
>> Klich did change things. Allioski went to left back and did ok and in
>> midfield we looked quicker and stronger and for the first time in the game
>> we began to control things in midfield and create chances. It made me
>> realise that the midfield of Siaz, Philips and Klich is too pedestrian.
>>> 
>>> We finally got the goal we deserved for some good play in the last 20
>> minutes with Jansson stooping to nod over the keeper into the net. Queue
>> some scenes in the stands and on the pitch.
>>> 
>>> Scores:
>>> 
>>> Peacock - 7. One or two decent saves, good kicking and also one or two
>> moments of confusion with his defence.
>>> 
>>> Ayling - 3. Very poor. His passing has deserted him and he looks
>> vulnerable at the back. Weak link today.
>>> 
>>> Dallas - 3. Kept going forward on his right foot leaving holes in the
>> defence. Huge mistake to play him at left back.
>>> 
>>> Cooper - 4.

Re: [LU] Brentford

[{broken-address} Richard Walker]

Missed Tyler Roberts who I thought looked tidy but never really threatened in 
their box and I think that may be his problem in that he isn’t going to score 
the tap-ins

Sent from my iPhone

> On 7 Oct 2018, at 08:29, Richard Walker  wrote:
> 
> Down to 3rd and form since Pablo got injured which is distinctively 
> Heckingbottomish (lower mid table)
> 
> I've said it before and I'll say it again but that starting 11 will be lucky 
> to make the play offs and today, for the first 70 minutes it was clear that 
> we were second best. Our passing was terrible led by Luke Ayling whose 
> performance levels have been plummeting all season. Yes I would say that 
> since he arrived, he has been a great signing but I'd say at the moment he's 
> not worth his place in the team. For the first 20 minutes he hit new lows as 
> all his passes went astray, he was out of position frequently and then had to 
> foul to recovery his position putting us under pressure. Hopefully he'll come 
> back strong after the break. 
> 
> Mind you, he wasn't the only one who was finding them second best to a very 
> good Brentford team. With Brentford completely dominating midfield we 
> struggled to create with Allioski and Harrison ineffective and isolated and 
> an unbalanced left side with Dallas filling in for the injured Douglas who I 
> thought we missed. Too many times Dallas pushed forward leaving holes at the 
> back and it was left to Jansson to mop up. Playing Dallas at left back was 
> just a very poor managerial decision and all about accommodation of a player 
> who is in Bielsa's 22 rather than selecting Pearce who isn't a great defender 
> (although as good as Dallas) but would have provided much better balance. I 
> thought Bielsa was better than that. We did have one or two chances the best 
> falling to Philips who was denied by a great point blank save by their 
> keeper. At the other end they hit the bar and Peacock made a great save to 
> deny them. 
> 
> The ref didn't help and from the start you could see he just didn't have 
> control of the game. Every free-kick was contentious and it seemed he was 
> reacting to players and the crowd for his decision rather than being on top 
> of it. Refs like that will ruin games and this ref should be sent back to 
> non-league to learn his trade before he ever takes charge of a league match.
> 
> Second half wasn't much better and Brentford continued to have the best 
> chances and look the more likely to score. Their goal looked at the time to 
> be a definite pen and I thought Peacock might have got his marching orders 
> but looking at it this morning their player conned the ref, however I don't 
> blame him for that decision just the 100 others that he got wrong. 
> 
> The subs for Leeds - Clarke for Dallas, Forshaw for Siaz and Baker for Klich 
> did change things. Allioski went to left back and did ok and in midfield we 
> looked quicker and stronger and for the first time in the game we began to 
> control things in midfield and create chances. It made me realise that the 
> midfield of Siaz, Philips and Klich is too pedestrian. 
> 
>  We finally got the goal we deserved for some good play in the last 20 
> minutes with Jansson stooping to nod over the keeper into the net. Queue some 
> scenes in the stands and on the pitch.
> 
> Scores:
> 
> Peacock - 7. One or two decent saves, good kicking and also one or two 
> moments of confusion with his defence.
> 
> Ayling - 3. Very poor. His passing has deserted him and he looks vulnerable 
> at the back. Weak link today. 
> 
> Dallas - 3. Kept going forward on his right foot leaving holes in the 
> defence. Huge mistake to play him at left back. 
> 
> Cooper - 4. Bad mistake for their pen. Same old Cooper will fuck up when the 
> pressure is on. 
> 
> Jansson - 8. Held us together time and time again. 
> 
> Philips - 5. Battled hard but offers little. 
> 
> Klich - 5. Definitely not himself today. 
> 
> Siaz - 4. Didn't contribute. 
> 
> Harrison - 4. Don't rate him. He has no real pace and rarely beats his man. 
> 
> Allioski - 5. Offered nothing going forward but when moved to left back he 
> seemed to be more at home. 
> 
> Subs:
> 
> Clarke - LIke the look of the lad. A tall James Milner type player.
> 
> Forshaw - Does everything Philips can't
> 
> Baker - decent free-kick and he looks like a player to me. 
> 
> 
> Did we deserve a point ? I don't think so. Brentford are a better side than 
> us and I think we will slip out of the play off places if we continue with 
> this starting 11.
> 
> 
> 
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[LU] Brentford

[{broken-address} Richard Walker]

Down to 3rd and form since Pablo got injured which is distinctively 
Heckingbottomish (lower mid table)

I've said it before and I'll say it again but that starting 11 will be lucky to 
make the play offs and today, for the first 70 minutes it was clear that we 
were second best. Our passing was terrible led by Luke Ayling whose performance 
levels have been plummeting all season. Yes I would say that since he arrived, 
he has been a great signing but I'd say at the moment he's not worth his place 
in the team. For the first 20 minutes he hit new lows as all his passes went 
astray, he was out of position frequently and then had to foul to recovery his 
position putting us under pressure. Hopefully he'll come back strong after the 
break. 

Mind you, he wasn't the only one who was finding them second best to a very 
good Brentford team. With Brentford completely dominating midfield we struggled 
to create with Allioski and Harrison ineffective and isolated and an unbalanced 
left side with Dallas filling in for the injured Douglas who I thought we 
missed. Too many times Dallas pushed forward leaving holes at the back and it 
was left to Jansson to mop up. Playing Dallas at left back was just a very poor 
managerial decision and all about accommodation of a player who is in Bielsa's 
22 rather than selecting Pearce who isn't a great defender (although as good as 
Dallas) but would have provided much better balance. I thought Bielsa was 
better than that. We did have one or two chances the best falling to Philips 
who was denied by a great point blank save by their keeper. At the other end 
they hit the bar and Peacock made a great save to deny them. 

The ref didn't help and from the start you could see he just didn't have 
control of the game. Every free-kick was contentious and it seemed he was 
reacting to players and the crowd for his decision rather than being on top of 
it. Refs like that will ruin games and this ref should be sent back to 
non-league to learn his trade before he ever takes charge of a league match.
Second half wasn't much better and Brentford continued to have the best chances 
and look the more likely to score. Their goal looked at the time to be a 
definite pen and I thought Peacock might have got his marching orders but 
looking at it this morning their player conned the ref, however I don't blame 
him for that decision just the 100 others that he got wrong. 
The subs for Leeds - Clarke for Dallas, Forshaw for Siaz and Baker for Klich 
did change things. Allioski went to left back and did ok and in midfield we 
looked quicker and stronger and for the first time in the game we began to 
control things in midfield and create chances. It made me realise that the 
midfield of Siaz, Philips and Klich is too pedestrian. 
 We finally got the goal we deserved for some good play in the last 20 minutes 
with Jansson stooping to nod over the keeper into the net. Queue some scenes in 
the stands and on the pitch.
Scores:
Peacock - 7. One or two decent saves, good kicking and also one or two moments 
of confusion with his defence.
Ayling - 3. Very poor. His passing has deserted him and he looks vulnerable at 
the back. Weak link today. 
Dallas - 3. Kept going forward on his right foot leaving holes in the defence. 
Huge mistake to play him at left back. 
Cooper - 4. Bad mistake for their pen. Same old Cooper will fuck up when the 
pressure is on. 
Jansson - 8. Held us together time and time again. 
Philips - 5. Battled hard but offers little. 
Klich - 5. Definitely not himself today. 
Siaz - 4. Didn't contribute. 
Harrison - 4. Don't rate him. He has no real pace and rarely beats his man. 
Allioski - 5. Offered nothing going forward but when moved to left back he 
seemed to be more at home. 
Subs:
Clarke - LIke the look of the lad. A tall James Milner type player.
Forshaw - Does everything Philips can't
Baker - decent free-kick and he looks like a player to me. 

Did we deserve a point ? I don't think so. Brentford are a better side than us 
and I think we will slip out of the play off places if we continue with this 
starting 11.


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Re: [LU] Brentford

[{broken-address}]

Hard to argue with that Rich. Ayling was utterly shite - his passing has been 
shite for weeks, but his positives outweighed the negatives until today. His 
sending off capped a shit afternoon. I hope Bielsa will have a rethink about 
the fannying around at the back - he must have shat himself when Cooper was 
doing his oak tree impression!

We were very lucky to get a point, despite the penalty that shouldn’t have 
been. 

Siaz is so slow - that’s why he’s playing in England in the second tier and 
not in Spain. 

Found out by a better ‘team’ for sure, but we didn’t lose, so if this speeds up 
the introduction of younger players in their ‘natural’ position rather than 
seeing Dallas criss crossing the pitch then getting caught out time and again, 
then maybe some good will come from it?

Surely Bielsa must see the dangers of inadequate players trying to play out 
from the back against good pressing teams?



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> On 6 Oct 2018, at 14:14, {broken-address} gcwhite2001 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Worst performance I've seen so far this season.
> 
> 
> Sent from my Samsung device
> 
>  Original message 
> From: {broken-address} Richard Walker 
>  
> Date: 06/10/2018  14:29  (GMT+01:00) 
> To: leedslist@gn.apc.org 
> Subject: [LU] Brentford 
> 
> 2nd best all over pitch .
> 
> Ayling awful again, passing poor from us. They look like a team to me.
> 
> Dallas at left back is just a really bad managerial decision when Pearce is 
> sat on bench.
> 
> We’ve got a lack of pace I. Midfield - Siaz and Philips are pedestrian 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [LU] Brentford

[{broken-address} gcwhite2001]

Worst performance I've seen so far this season.


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From: {broken-address} Richard Walker 
 
Date: 06/10/2018  14:29  (GMT+01:00) 
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org 
Subject: [LU] Brentford 

2nd best all over pitch .

Ayling awful again, passing poor from us. They look like a team to me.

Dallas at left back is just a really bad managerial decision when Pearce is sat 
on bench.

We’ve got a lack of pace I. Midfield - Siaz and Philips are pedestrian 





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[LU] Brentford

[{broken-address} Richard Walker]

2nd best all over pitch .

Ayling awful again, passing poor from us. They look like a team to me.

Dallas at left back is just a really bad managerial decision when Pearce is sat 
on bench.

We’ve got a lack of pace I. Midfield - Siaz and Philips are pedestrian 





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Re: [LU] Hull

[{broken-address}]

Funny what we see, as I thought Phillips had a decent>good game. Ayling’s 
passing, particularly early in games, is shocking though. I thought it was a 6 
out of 10 watch - started ok but so many misplaced passes and poor finishing 
meant it had that frustrating feel about it from very early on, and aside from 
Roberts’ shot we were very poor in front of goal/final third.

Still top though :-)

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> On 3 Oct 2018, at 09:25, Richard Naef  wrote:
> 
> Agree Hull were poor and it was one of our least impressive performances, BUT 
> We were a million times better than the same fixture last season and our pass 
> completion was still 82%.  Players got in great positions let down a by their 
> last touch.  The passing that failed was generally adventurous.  22 points 
> from 11 games, top of the league, proper manager at last. Excited? Not much!
> 
> Sent from my mobile
> 
> 
> From: Richard Walker 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2018 9:56:24 PM
> To: Richard Naef; Leeds List
> Subject: Re: [LU] Hull
> 
> No I think some of the passing and play was bloody awful. We were by far the 
> better side throughout in a poor game but it took a great strike from Tyler 
> Roberts to win it.
> 
> Hull were the worst team we've played this season.
> 
> My Scores:
> 
> Peacock - 7 didn't have much to do. Collected a cross confidently late on 
> plus got his legs in the way in a late scramble as we panicked Milwall style 
> late on.
> 
> Ayling - 5. First half was his worst of the season and he's getting a rep for 
> starting very slowly. His passing was off and he should have had a goal.
> 
> Douglas - 7. I thought he was solid throughout. Hope his injury isn't bad.
> 
> Cooper - 7. Nearly one fuck up with Peacock first half but in general not 
> troubled apart from a couple of crosses.
> 
> Jansson - 8. Our best defender. I wish he wouldn't feign injury though.
> 
> Siaz - 7. Did ok but again a yard short to really hurt them.
> 
> Kilch - 8. I thought he was consistent throughout and was still chasing down 
> the ball in injury time.
> 
> Philips - 5. On the occassions Hull broke from midfield they left him for 
> dead. He's just playing as a luxury, additional defender.
> 
> Allioski - 2. Apart from run round and cause a bit of chaos I thought he was 
> incredibly poor. He's not a left winger. Should have scored first half.
> 
> Harrison - 4. Didn't really contribute first half. Second half a couple of 
> decent crosses and link up play but overall disappointing.
> 
> Roberts - 7. I like Roberts, he runs around a lot, he closes down, he's got 
> good control and can link up well (see his deft lay off for Allioski's chance 
> first half). His goal was a great strike and I get the impression that goals 
> like this will be more common than the 2 yard tap-ins. My only criticism is 
> that he looks a little casual at times and he gave the ball away cheaply at 
> times.
> 
> Subs:
> 
> Dallas - came on at right wing but then had to go to left back when Douglas 
> got injured. Did ok.
> 
> Forshaw - tidy with a few mistakes. Rather than look at Forshaw as a 
> replacement for Siaz I'd play him instead of Philips. Offers much more.
> 
> It's a good win and we're top but I don't think this starting 11 will get 
> promotion. With Hernandez back and a decent winger I think we're top 6.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Richard Naef 
> To: Richard Walker ; Leeds List 
> 
> Sent: Tuesday, 2 October 2018, 21:05
> Subject: RE: [LU] Hull
> 
> I think bloody awful is a bit harsh, even when it doesn't come off they are 
> still trying, surely an improvement over pretty much any team we've in the 
> last 10 years.  Player tracking back, looking for a forward attacking pass 
> rather than just lumping it.
> 
> ttfn
> 
> Richard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Leedslist 
> mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org>> On Behalf 
> Of {broken-address} Richard Walker
> Sent: 02 October 2018 20:37
> To: Leeds List mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
> Subject: [LU] Hull
> 
> Watching on LUTV - when the passing game comes off it looks great (Sheffield 
> Wed) when it doesn’t it’s bloody awful.
> 
> Tonight so far has been pretty awful. The passing from Ayling and Allioski 
> has been nothing short of shocking. Allioski for me has turned in the worst 
> 45 mins I've seen for a long time. Miscontrol, overhit passes and crosses and 
> when put in brilliantly by Roberts he put the ball across the box when it was 
> easier to score.
> 
> The Leeds fans were shouting the ground down in the first 10 minutes and 
> deathly silent for the last 10 mins. Very

Re: [LU] Hull

[{broken-address} Nicholas Armit]

 Alioski infuriates me too sometimes but as Dave said he is continuously 
involved (and I do not think his missed chance was that easy with the angle he 
had. People just say stuff because it is him. Some of the social media comments 
are just ludicrous.) last night he made three great challenges near our own box 
that stopped them making headway.
Nick
On Wednesday, October 3, 2018, 2:36:09 AM EDT, Einar S. 
 wrote:  
 
 Allioski has an intensity to his game that almost makes him undroppable.  As a 
defender, I would much rather be facing Harrison than Alioski.


> On Tuesday, October 2, 2018, 3:37:33 PM EDT, {broken-address} Richard Walker 
>  wrote:  
> 
> Watching on LUTV - when the passing game comes off it looks great (Sheffield 
> Wed) when it doesn’t it’s bloody awful.
> 
> Tonight so far has been pretty awful. The passing from Ayling and Allioski 
> has been nothing short of shocking. Allioski for me has turned in the worst 
> 45 mins I've seen for a long time. Miscontrol, overhit passes and crosses and 
> when put in brilliantly by Roberts he put the ball across the box when it was 
> easier to score. 
> 
> The Leeds fans were shouting the ground down in the first 10 minutes and 
> deathly silent for the last 10 mins. Very frustrating.
> 
> I don’t think this team is promotion material. Yes we are playing better and 
> more confident but the basics are missing at times. 
> I'm wondering whether Harrison is any better than Dallas ?
> Having said that Hull are shite and I fully expect us to win. 

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Re: [LU] cabbage

[{broken-address} Richard Walker]

He’s now sacked !

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> On 3 Oct 2018, at 14:48, Joe Skinner  wrote:
> 
> His response is ever funnier.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of nick
> Sent: 03 October 2018 14:41
> To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
> Subject: [LU] cabbage
> 
>   I just want to note that a cabbage was thrown at Steve Bruce yesterday,
>   by disgruntled Villa fans.
> 
>   That is all.
> 
>   Nick
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Re: [LU] Hull

[{broken-address} Richard Walker]

Ayling I thought he was really poor first half last night and I think he has 
started slowly in a few games this season but overall I’d say he’s been one of 
our best signings of recent years.

But if we’re talking premier league / England you’re having a laugh.


> On 3 Oct 2018, at 07:35, "nat...@sky.com"  wrote:
> 
> Game of opinions 
> Alioski - I have a mate who detests him and he would no doubt think that your 
> '2' is too highUp to a point I have fallen into agreeing with him BUT then I 
> watched the couple of minutes highlights on Sky - basically our goal and 3 
> chances and their scramble near the endAlioski is very prominent in 3 of our 
> 4 best bits - he lays the ball off perfectly for Klich who should have scored 
> or at least got it on targetHe gets in a good position for his own chance and 
> although he also should have scored his shot was only a foot wideThe Douglas 
> miss (think his studs got stuck otherwise a real sitter) he was involved on a 
> few occasions in the build up and his cross to Douglas was inch perfectSo, he 
> could easily have had 2 assists (and a goal) in a game which we dominated but 
> never really hit the heightsAdd to that his work rate and I , at least , can 
> see why Bielsa sticks with him and I get the feeling that he is one of those 
> players who will become great and a real miss when he is not playing !
> I agree re Roberts - think he is quite an intelligent player - his touch for 
> Alioski chance was brilliant and he also did a good 'leave' in the build up 
> to the Douglas chance. I hope he takes over from Harrison (if Pablo not fit) 
> when Roofe comes back 
> Ayling - lots of fans criticising him at half time - then within minutes of 
> the re-start the commentator was saying how great he was playing and had had 
> the ball more than anyone else.Douglas - I keep thinking he has been poor and 
> then seeing stats that show he has more interceptions and crosses than any 
> other player - I agree that we need him to be fit and hope his injury is not 
> too badPhillips - various new sites reckon Everton and Spurs are the leading 
> contenders to sign him and many clubs are after him, plus Gareth Southgate 
> considering him for England - most commentators have been raving about him , 
> yet Rich still thinks he is poor
> So to me it is all about opinions and the only one that counts really is MB 
> and he is sticking with this XI at least until Roofe etc gain fitness
> Personally I thought we were a bit slow and lethargic last night but did just 
> enough and what we had to do. A bit worried that we are so profligate in 
> front of goal - lots of chance v Brum and Sheff Wed (43 shots according to 
> stats) with only 2 goals, 3 clear chances missed last night. 
> We are still a work in progress and the victory last night, against a very 
> very poor team, was better than one of our main rivals managed on Saturday 
> (Boro)Without Pablo we do struggle to unlock 10man defencesHaving said all 
> that we are top of the league FFS (even if that changes tonight) and playing 
> the best football we have seen for absolutley ages, and are trying to play it 
> even when not at our best - the performances v Stoke, Norwich, Preston, Derby 
> were all brilliantWe are still a work in progress and are missing our main 
> striker and our best player so I am 95% happy with the way things areDave
> 
>On Tuesday, 2 October 2018, 21:56:43 BST, {broken-address} Richard Walker 
>  wrote:  
> 
> No I think some of the passing and play was bloody awful. We were by far the 
> better side throughout in a poor game but it took a great strike from Tyler 
> Roberts to win it.
> Hull were the worst team we've played this season.
> My Scores:
> Peacock - 7 didn't have much to do. Collected a cross confidently late on 
> plus got his legs in the way in a late scramble as we panicked Milwall style 
> late on. 
> Ayling - 5. First half was his worst of the season and he's getting a rep for 
> starting very slowly. His passing was off and he should have had a goal. 
> Douglas - 7. I thought he was solid throughout. Hope his injury isn't bad.
> Cooper - 7. Nearly one fuck up with Peacock first half but in general not 
> troubled apart from a couple of crosses. 
> Jansson - 8. Our best defender. I wish he wouldn't feign injury though. 
> Siaz - 7. Did ok but again a yard short to really hurt them.
> Kilch - 8. I thought he was consistent throughout and was still chasing down 
> the ball in injury time. 
> Philips - 5. On the occassions Hull broke from midfield they left him for 
> dead. He's just playing as a luxury, additional defender. 
> Allioski - 2. Apart from run round and cause a bit of chaos I thought he was 
> incredibly poor. He's not a left winger. Should have s

Re: [LU] Hull

[{broken-address} Nicholas Armit]

 I don't really know what to say. We are playing the best football from a Leeds 
team in 20 years.
On Tuesday, October 2, 2018, 3:37:33 PM EDT, {broken-address} Richard 
Walker  wrote:  
 
 Watching on LUTV - when the passing game comes off it looks great (Sheffield 
Wed) when it doesn’t it’s bloody awful.

Tonight so far has been pretty awful. The passing from Ayling and Allioski has 
been nothing short of shocking. Allioski for me has turned in the worst 45 mins 
I've seen for a long time. Miscontrol, overhit passes and crosses and when put 
in brilliantly by Roberts he put the ball across the box when it was easier to 
score. 

The Leeds fans were shouting the ground down in the first 10 minutes and 
deathly silent for the last 10 mins. Very frustrating.

I don’t think this team is promotion material. Yes we are playing better and 
more confident but the basics are missing at times. 
I'm wondering whether Harrison is any better than Dallas ?
Having said that Hull are shite and I fully expect us to win. 
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Re: [LU] Hull

[{broken-address} Richard Walker]

No I think some of the passing and play was bloody awful. We were by far the 
better side throughout in a poor game but it took a great strike from Tyler 
Roberts to win it.
Hull were the worst team we've played this season.
My Scores:
Peacock - 7 didn't have much to do. Collected a cross confidently late on plus 
got his legs in the way in a late scramble as we panicked Milwall style late 
on. 
Ayling - 5. First half was his worst of the season and he's getting a rep for 
starting very slowly. His passing was off and he should have had a goal. 
Douglas - 7. I thought he was solid throughout. Hope his injury isn't bad.
Cooper - 7. Nearly one fuck up with Peacock first half but in general not 
troubled apart from a couple of crosses. 
Jansson - 8. Our best defender. I wish he wouldn't feign injury though. 
Siaz - 7. Did ok but again a yard short to really hurt them.
Kilch - 8. I thought he was consistent throughout and was still chasing down 
the ball in injury time. 
Philips - 5. On the occassions Hull broke from midfield they left him for dead. 
He's just playing as a luxury, additional defender. 
Allioski - 2. Apart from run round and cause a bit of chaos I thought he was 
incredibly poor. He's not a left winger. Should have scored first half. 
Harrison - 4. Didn't really contribute first half. Second half a couple of 
decent crosses and link up play but overall disappointing. 
Roberts - 7. I like Roberts, he runs around a lot, he closes down, he's got 
good control and can link up well (see his deft lay off for Allioski's chance 
first half). His goal was a great strike and I get the impression that goals 
like this will be more common than the 2 yard tap-ins. My only criticism is 
that he looks a little casual at times and he gave the ball away cheaply at 
times. 
Subs:
Dallas - came on at right wing but then had to go to left back when Douglas got 
injured. Did ok. 
Forshaw - tidy with a few mistakes. Rather than look at Forshaw as a 
replacement for Siaz I'd play him instead of Philips. Offers much more.
It's a good win and we're top but I don't think this starting 11 will get 
promotion. With Hernandez back and a decent winger I think we're top 6. 



  From: Richard Naef 
 To: Richard Walker ; Leeds List 
 
 Sent: Tuesday, 2 October 2018, 21:05
 Subject: RE: [LU] Hull
   
I think bloody awful is a bit harsh, even when it doesn't come off they are 
still trying, surely an improvement over pretty much any team we've in the last 
10 years.  Player tracking back, looking for a forward attacking pass rather 
than just lumping it. 

ttfn

Richard

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From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of {broken-address} 
Richard Walker
Sent: 02 October 2018 20:37
To: Leeds List 
Subject: [LU] Hull

Watching on LUTV - when the passing game comes off it looks great (Sheffield 
Wed) when it doesn’t it’s bloody awful.

Tonight so far has been pretty awful. The passing from Ayling and Allioski has 
been nothing short of shocking. Allioski for me has turned in the worst 45 mins 
I've seen for a long time. Miscontrol, overhit passes and crosses and when put 
in brilliantly by Roberts he put the ball across the box when it was easier to 
score. 

The Leeds fans were shouting the ground down in the first 10 minutes and 
deathly silent for the last 10 mins. Very frustrating.

I don’t think this team is promotion material. Yes we are playing better and 
more confident but the basics are missing at times. I'm wondering whether 
Harrison is any better than Dallas ?
Having said that Hull are shite and I fully expect us to win. 
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[LU] Hull

[{broken-address} Richard Walker]

Watching on LUTV - when the passing game comes off it looks great (Sheffield 
Wed) when it doesn’t it’s bloody awful.

Tonight so far has been pretty awful. The passing from Ayling and Allioski has 
been nothing short of shocking. Allioski for me has turned in the worst 45 mins 
I've seen for a long time. Miscontrol, overhit passes and crosses and when put 
in brilliantly by Roberts he put the ball across the box when it was easier to 
score. 

The Leeds fans were shouting the ground down in the first 10 minutes and 
deathly silent for the last 10 mins. Very frustrating.

I don’t think this team is promotion material. Yes we are playing better and 
more confident but the basics are missing at times. 
I'm wondering whether Harrison is any better than Dallas ?
Having said that Hull are shite and I fully expect us to win. 
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Re: [LU] Brum

[{broken-address} Richard Walker]

Apart from Dallas's half decent shot Late on I don't remember their keeper 
having to make a decent save in 98 minutes of football so you can forget the 
stats as far as I'm concerned.


> On 24 Sep 2018, at 00:06, Michael Gardiner  
> wrote:
> 
> We can complain about the game….but do take a look at the stats:
> 
> [cid:E09A9AF6-F35D-4848-9EBF-B206319E103F]
> 
> We’ll win an order of magnitude of games more that way than we’ll lose.
> 
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Re: [LU] Brum

[{broken-address} Richard Walker]

I've just remembered, Ryan Edmonson came on and this might be harsh given its 
his debut and he was coming on to chase the game but I wouldn't expect too much 
from this lad. Not sure he touched the ball but he looked slow and didn't win 
anything in the air. Think John Pearson



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>  wrote:
> 
> 
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Re: [LU] Brum

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Had too much beer pre-match to do a comprehensive and accurate report but my 
overriding thought from the North East Upper was Brum were big, strong and 
highly organised with a couple of lively players up front. Just about 
everything you would expect from a Gary Monk team. Coupled with the fact I 
thought everyone of our players had a poor game so much so that I'd give our 
MOTM to Dallas who came on late and actually made their keeper do something in 
8 minutes of injury time (was it really or was that the beer ?).

It comes back to the lone striker up front problem at home and when you're 
playing with Philips as a mopping up 3rd central defender then it makes sense 
that if you're gonna struggle. Roberts who was tidy with possession never 
looked like scoring because he rarely got into the box.

I don't think that team yesterday is good enough for promotion and if you look 
at the results since we lost Pablo it's mid table form and that's where I 
expect us to end up without a decent striker and Pablo.

Disappointing.



> On 22 Sep 2018, at 18:23, Simon McNally  wrote:
> 
> Hopefully this isn’t the wheels coming off like last year.
> Thought the game started very similar to Tuesday with Brum pressing and us 
> struggling to get going.
> Difference today was we gifted them two soft goals, BPF at fault for both for 
> me, and they had something to hold on to and could have scored again.
> Frustrating because a win would have put us three clear at the top.
> Seen a lot of moaning about their gamesmanship and the ref but neither of 
> them forced us into giving away soft goals or not having a shot on target in 
> the first half.
> I’m not ready to chuck it all in yet - I’m seeing this as a blip not as a 
> major collapse 
> 
> S
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 22 Sep 2018, at 17:29, {broken-address} Richard Walker 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> We’ve been Gary Monked - were kidding ourselves if we think that team is 
>> good enough 
>> 
>> On bus back into Leeds / going to drown my sorrows. Down to earth with a bump
>> 
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[LU] Brum

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We’ve been Gary Monked - were kidding ourselves if we think that team is good 
enough 

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[LU] So...

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Whatever happened to Bates?


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Whatever happened to Bates?


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Re: [LU] Preston

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I thought the Sky red button thing was hopeless - I’ll be using alternatives 
should this happen again. 

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> On 19 Sep 2018, at 17:38, {broken-address} Richard Walker 
>  wrote:
> 
> North West is a graveyard. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 19 Sep 2018, at 11:39, Jim Moran  wrote:
>> 
>> Subs warmed up all second half last night.
>> 
>> Made a rare visit to Elland Road in the lifeless NW Corner last night, and
>> have to say the highlights seemed a lot better than the reality, but it
>> felt comfortable as soon as we scored. Atmosphere felt pretty flat though,
>> did Preston bring any?
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, 19 Sep 2018 at 09:30, Joe Skinner 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>>>>>> Subs - not on long.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> This is something that really winds me up.
>>> 
>>> Long term plan/style of play is very intensive, the squad isn't rotated
>>> much beyond cup games, so why don't some players (Bamford was waiting in
>>> the wings, Hernandez is old) get subbed for meaningful game time?
>>> 
>>> Now some of them are injured...?
>>> 
>>> It's hard getting into the gist of a game, mentally, physically etc. so
>>> late in the game and the exercise benefit is negligible [of being subbed on
>>> so late] - worse so if they don't warm up (I never seem to see subs warming
>>> up under him - maybe I'm not noticing it)
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [LU] Preston

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North West is a graveyard. 

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> On 19 Sep 2018, at 11:39, Jim Moran  wrote:
> 
> Subs warmed up all second half last night.
> 
> Made a rare visit to Elland Road in the lifeless NW Corner last night, and
> have to say the highlights seemed a lot better than the reality, but it
> felt comfortable as soon as we scored. Atmosphere felt pretty flat though,
> did Preston bring any?
> 
> 
> On Wed, 19 Sep 2018 at 09:30, Joe Skinner 
> wrote:
> 
>> Subs - not on long.
>> 
>> 
>> This is something that really winds me up.
>> 
>> Long term plan/style of play is very intensive, the squad isn't rotated
>> much beyond cup games, so why don't some players (Bamford was waiting in
>> the wings, Hernandez is old) get subbed for meaningful game time?
>> 
>> Now some of them are injured...?
>> 
>> It's hard getting into the gist of a game, mentally, physically etc. so
>> late in the game and the exercise benefit is negligible [of being subbed on
>> so late] - worse so if they don't warm up (I never seem to see subs warming
>> up under him - maybe I'm not noticing it)
>> 
>> 
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Re: [LU] Preston

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We’re not always perfect to watch, but fuck me we are exciting! At the start of 
the Bielsa Project he specifically said we might give the ball away at times 
but we’d fight to get it back. Ayling, 4 times in the first 15 minutes, bought 
into this philosophy big time! Cooper too to a lesser extent. However, the way 
we work and work and work is a revelation, and exciting. OK, Preston could have 
scored a couple early on, but we deserved a sackful last night.

Either Clarke or Edmundson should have got a trot out last night, and maybe 
both, but for the first time in years I’m happy to concede we have a manager 
who knows more than me, so presumably there’s some method at play?

Roberts was a bit part player for long periods, but 2 goals will really help 
him. Harrison has started to impress too - very nimble feet - there’s a bit of 
a Carl Harris in the making. I thought Phillips had one of his best games last 
night - the odd error, but mopped up nicely and ran and ran! 

One thing I would be critical off, aside from giving the ball away in our half, 
is the quality of crossing from the left - Alioski and also Douglas need to get 
practising!

One other thing too - the pointless bookings. I did quite like our time-wasting 
later on after the farting around PNE employed, but the daft trips will cost us 
later in the season if it continues - Alioski, Saiz take note!

Watching it on the red button is crap though - one camera, no close-ups, no 
replays, and a commentator bred in Dullsville!

John





> On 19 Sep 2018, at 10:04, "nat...@sky.com"  wrote:
> 
> To be honest that was the one criticism I had of MB last night - I thought it 
> was a decent touch taking Roberts off to applause , although part of me 
> thought it may be better to have left him on with a chance of a hat-trickBut 
> I felt he got it totally wrong with Forshaw - the lad is just coming back 
> from (another) injury and has had 15mins or so v Millwall and 45 in the u23s 
> on Monday so to me it was risking him getting injured by not being properly 
> warmed up when we did not need him on the pitch - why not give Edmunson or 
> even better Clarke- it would be Clarkes debut- a few minutes on the pitch 
> -The worst that could happen would be them giving the ball away and costing 
> us a goal that would not have affected the game- neither here nor there, 
> whereas the upside  making or even better scoring a goal , again not 
> affecting last nights result but could be a massive boost for them going 
> forward. What better chance to 'blood' a youngster, and  I fully expect 
> Clarke to be a first team player by the end of the season, than when you are 
> 3 0 up at home v a team near the bottom and with 5 or 10 minutes to go ?
> As for making 3 subs in the last 5 minutes of normal time, I just don't get 
> it - we did not need to waste time or kill the game so what is the point ?
> Having said that this is real nit-picking after a great performance - yes 
> Preston are poor but teams like this still need putting to the sword and we 
> did that with style and aplomb.
> As for Roberts I thought his pre goal(s) performance was a mixed bag - he had 
> some decent touches and link up play and he again got into good positions BUT 
> he really lacked confidence / killer instinct up until the first goal - he 
> was easily shrugged off the ball and wanted to pass it into the net rather 
> than putting his laces through it. His touch for the first goal was 
> brilliant. As Rich (?) posted Saturday will be a big test for him - will the 
> 2 goals be the kick start ?I think we do need to remember he is only 19 and 
> has not played much football and has been injured for a long time. I was 
> saying beforehand that the fans needed to support him and not get on his back 
> if he continued to miss chances and I think, for the most part, they did that.
> It does mean that we can wait for Roofe to be fully fit rather than taking a 
> risk and bringing him back too soon (eg Brum)
> I dont recall the last time we sold out an ordinary league game with days to 
> go ? There are some corporate tickets left if anyone fancies that
> Dave
> 
>  From: Joe Skinner 
> To: 'Leeds List'  
> Sent: Wednesday, 19 September 2018, 9:30
> Subject: Re: [LU] Preston
> 
> Subs - not on long.
> 
> 
> This is something that really winds me up. 
> 
> Long term plan/style of play is very intensive, the squad isn't rotated much 
> beyond cup games, so why don't some players (Bamford was waiting in the 
> wings, Hernandez is old) get subbed for meaningful game time?
> 
> Now some of them are injured...? 
> 
> It's hard getting into the gist of a game, mentally, physically etc. so late 
> in the game and the exercise benefit is negligible [of being subbed on so 
> late] - worse so if they don't warm up (I never seem to see subs warming up 
> under him - maybe I'm not noticing it)
> 
> 
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Re: [LU] Preston

[{broken-address} Richard Walker]

 Lol ...  yes I was going to say that it was without doubt the worst 2 goal 
performance I've ever seen. Only Becchio could come close to it, however I do 
think we have take into account his lack of football over the last 12 months. I 
think Saturday is a big game for Roberts.
On Wednesday, 19 September 2018, 09:08:06 BST, Nigel Sykes 
 wrote:  
 
 Yep.  Pretty much agree with all that.  Though I think that 6 for Roberts is 
generous, even with the 2 well taken goals!  He was dogshit otherwise.

Nigel
(the Dublin one)


  
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[LU] Preston

[{broken-address} Richard Walker]

could have been 7. Apart from first 10 mins and 5 minutes in 2nd half we were 
much better team. Really good performance against a team who will be relegated 
this season.
Scores:
Peacock - 8. Not much to do.  One disallowed goal, a good early save, a few 
back pass type shots and one dodgy cross that he had to parry in first half
Ayling - 7. Shocking start where he just kept losing out but he steadied and 
played well 
Douglas - 7. Steady away - decent going forward
Cooper - 8. One dodgy pass that put us under ressure but overall great 
defending. Scored as well, really cant expect anymore from a captain and you 
have to say that he is one of the most improved players from last season. 
Jansson - 9. Rock solid defending. Back to his best
Siaz - 9. At the heart of everything. Needs a goal.
Philips - 8. One or two dodgy passes and tackles but overall I thought he was 
very impressive albeit against pedestrian opposition.
Klich - 8. Should have had 2 but overall I thought he was very impressive. He's 
strong, plays great football and is a strong runner. I think he's a great 
player. See his cross for Robert's second goal.
Allioski - 7. Lively but annoying. 
Harrison - 7. Lively first half, quiet second and should have had a goal after 
a great ball through from Siaz 
Roberts - 6. Really pleased for the lad. He took his goal well after a good 
goal from Philips and then looked like he wanted the ball. He was terrible 
first half and I would have considered taking him off but all credit to him. 
Hopefully he can kick on against Brum.
Subs - not on long.



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Re: [LU] No new messages

[{broken-address} Richard Walker]

Great first half tonight. Should be 5 up.

Klich should have had 2 - he looks really sharp tonightHarrison lively .

Only disappointment for me is Roberts who just looks like a player without 
confidence. Needs a goal 

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> On 18 Sep 2018, at 20:30, David Smail  wrote:
> 
> No new messages on the list since Sept 13th - 5 days ago. Is it just me, or
> is the list really quite?
> 
> 
> 
> Dave
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [LU] Millwall

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Spot on Michael, and the fact that Miwwahl are moaning about everything like 
big jessies makes it doubly pleasurable.

Before this season started, with the fixture list as it was, I firmly believed 
we’d be in the bottom 6 by now. Whilst my first priority is to see us get 
enough points to be safe, so far this season has been a revelation. 

Too early to say whether we can stay on top, but it’ll do for now :-)

> On 16 Sep 2018, at 17:14, Michael Gardiner  
> wrote:
> 
> Was it a thing of beauty? No. But when you go away to one of the hardest 
> places to play in the League -- indeed, the country -- against a side with a 
> style that could hardly be more likely to frustrate what you doand you 
> aren't playing well, and you go down a goal and minute 89 arrives and you're 
> still down a goal and you somehow find some way to claw your way back and you 
> end the day top of the table.what on God's green earth are you doing 
> complaining?  That -- maybe more than brilliant performances -- is how 
> championships are won.
> 
> 
> Michael Gardiner
> 
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Re: [LU] Millwall

[{broken-address} Nicholas Armit]

 I do agree that Millwall were not good. Played like Middlesborough without any 
of the menace and skill. Morison looks a spent force.
But I was still pleased we stayed unbeaten.
Nick
On Saturday, September 15, 2018, 4:21:01 PM EDT, {broken-address} Richard 
Walker  wrote:  
 
 Yeah maybe mate. A few glasses of vino Tinto have mellowed me but I still 
believe that the performance today was simply not good enough.

And when you’re talking about defending you’ve got to look at their goal, the 
long throw-in and what a dog’s dinner we made of it. Also, the last 5 mins I’d 
say was the poorest we’ve played in the last 3 seasons  and that’s fucking 
saying something. Cooper , Jansson , Ayling and Douglass - it was like watching 
the fucking circus.

Actually, no I’m sticking to my guns, we were shit today, v. Lucky to get a 
point against what I thought was a v. Poor Millwall team. We can’t pretend that 
this was good enough. Without Pablo we are not the same team,


> On 15 Sep 2018, at 21:02, {broken-address} Nicholas Armit 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have to say Rich I think you are being fat too negative. This for me is a 
> massive point.
> 
>  - Thought Jansson and Cooper were immense, won over thirty clearances 
>between them
>  - We had three or four good chances, but Roberts just finding his way
>  - Ayling didn't fluff that chance it was an incredible save (I watched on a 
>good LUTV stream today so maybe that was the difference)
>  - Alioski is thick
>  - Harrison scored when needed. Otherwise I thought he looked decent when he 
>did get the ball
> 
> To me that is a good point. Onwards!
> Nick    On Saturday, September 15, 2018, 12:10:13 PM EDT, {broken-address} 
> Richard Walker  wrote:  
> 
>  Yep great goal from Harrison who I thought was poor throughout. 
> I didn't see last year's game but I listened on RL and by all accounts we 
> were bullied out of it. Well, that was never the case today however I thought 
> the game highlighted to me that we are not good enough and we just lacked 
> quality all over the pitch and trying to overplay from the back in a game 
> like this is only going to work if you have quality. 
> I found the all game totally frustrating. We had nothing going forward and 
> every last pass was either overhit or just misplaced. This was our worst 
> performance of the season. 
> And as for the fitness factor, well we were fucked in the last 5 minutes and 
> injury time was just embarrassing as they played the most basic chip it into 
> the box football but we just seemed incapable of defending it. Our keeper was 
> nowhere and it was only really shit finishing that prevented an injury time 
> winner for them. Elliot (remember him) hit the post with yet another free 
> header in the box. We just collapsed. 
> I'm listening to Radio Leeds now and it's all 'we would have never have got 
> anything from this last year' - maybe ?  and a draw, still unbeaten and still 
> top of the league (I think) cannot be grumbled at but for me, this was 
> nowhere near good enough and no better than a lot of performances I saw last 
> year. 
> Scores:
> Peacock - 4. When we were flapping at the end he did nothing. Awful keeping 
> Ayling -4. Defending poor and actually had our best chance but fluffed it. 
> Douglas - 5. Not effective going forward, defending desperate and his set 
> pieces are awful. 
> Jansson - 7. I thought he defended well throughout but like the rest he was 
> knackered at the end. 
> Cooper - 6. Did ok. 
> Philips - 3. Totally ineffective. Subbed
> Kilch - 4. Sunday stroll perfromance not good enough in games like this. 
> Subbed. 
> Siaz - 6. Tried his hardest and showed our only glimpses of quality. Hasn't 
> got the legs though. 
> Harrison - 5. All 5 for his goal which was spectacular but his performance 
> was woeful. 
> Allioski - 1. Offside, off-side, off fucking side. What a brainless twat. 
> Roberts - 2. powder puff rubbish. Had chances and fluffed them all. 
> Subs:
> Baker, Forshaw and Dallas - all ineffective. 
> Yes, I should be happy as I crack open a bottle of red but I'm not. I didn't 
> enjoy this match and our performance was lacking. 
> Anyone know what was happening on the sidelines with Harris and our bench ? 
> Looking to the next matches, I think we have real problems with a striker 
> option at the mo.
>    On Saturday, 15 September 2018, 16:50:24 BST, Michael Benjamin 
> wrote:  
> 
> 1-1
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> 
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Re: [LU] Millwall

[{broken-address}]

Before the game I said that of our injured players we might miss Berardi the 
most, as he's always up for a physical battle. I was wrong. Jansson didn't go 
missing today (although he played a couple of too casual passes). He and Cooper 
were immense in defence. No, the players we missed the most were Hernandez and, 
especially, Roofe. Roberts is a young lad coming back from a long layoff, so I 
don't want to harp on his weaknesses too much. Suffice it to say I'd back the 
Championship player of the month to have bagged at least one or two of the 
chances Roberts squandered. We also missed Pablo's creativity. Harrison took 
his goal well, but didn't do too much else besides.It's fairly obvious that 
there's a significant drop-off in quality beyond Bielsa's preferred first XI 
(plus maybe Jansson). 
I also felt (as I did after the 'Boro game) that too often we opted for the 
long ball when there were (or should have been) other options. We have one of 
the smallest group of attackers in the division, so the point of lofting the 
ball up so they can compete with the opposition's center-halves is lost on me. 
So much of our good play has come from playing neat, confident triangles out of 
defence. Let's stick to that.
Cheers!
Sean




-Original Message-
From: nat...@sky.com 
To: Leeds List 
Sent: Sat, Sep 15, 2018 12:02 pm
Subject: Re: [LU] Millwall

Frustrating or a master stroke from MB ? Rich ?

Also watched on a dodgy stream - on 85 mins I whatsapp'd my mates and said even 
though it would be the same end result as last year it was a much better 
performance and no reason for it to collapse our season - we have not been 
'found out'
Then clutching at straws I said there would be lots of time added on but that 
we would not score ! 10 seconds later - Harrison thrown up front gets the goal
Having said that how the f8ck we survived the last couple of minutes I do not 
know - we would not have got a point in this game in the past (and indeed we 
didn't)
So with Boro losing we are top on our own -even if only by one point- and have 
two winnable home games, if we play to our potential, even with the injuries we 
should beat Preston and Birmingham
Happy enough in the end
Dave

    
 roberts off , harrison up front ???
this is so fucking frustrating 

    On Saturday, 15 September 2018, 16:22:14 BST, {broken-address} JONATHAN 
WYNNE  wrote:  
 
 Please let us just grab a point and get the hell out of there. 

    On Saturday, 15 September 2018, 16:15, {broken-address} Richard Walker 
 wrote:
 

  long fucking throwing ... say no more.
    On Saturday, 15 September 2018, 15:54:23 BST, {broken-address} Richard 
Walker  wrote:  
 
 Watching on dodgy internet link.
what a pile of shite. I think the best thing I could say is that they're 
certainly not bullying us out of it mainly cos they are shit. Long throws as 
per Boro are their main tactic. 
we've tried to play but the obsession with passing it around at the back has 
caused our main problems. the players aren't good enough to play that game 
under pressure in a game like this. 
We've created little , the best chance falling to Roberts just before half-time 
when he ran for a ball, he was second best to win it but it fell for him and he 
placed it towards the goal but it hit hte keeper and didn't have the pace. Not 
surprisingly Roberts has looked a tad lightweight but he's had no service. 
Harrison has hardly touched the ball in their half. 
Allioski has made some good runs but guess what ? everytime off-side. Wish he 
would grow some brain cells.
Difficult to call this one, but I suspect one of their long throws wll 
eventually fall on Morrisons head. Just hope we can score at the other end. We 
have defended well at times with Jansson and Cooper. 
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Re: [LU] Millwall

[{broken-address} Richard Walker]

Nice one Ben. 


> On 15 Sep 2018, at 21:33, Ben Thorpe  wrote:
> 
> Was in the Millwall kop. Never felt as smug as when that equaliser went in. 
> Their fans spent more of the match watching our fans and chanting instanbul 
> related crap than watching the match.
> 
> Match report:
> 
> We were shite. Only Saiz and Harrison for the last 3rd of the game came out 
> with a score above 5. Still unbeaten though.
> 
> MOT
> ____
> From: Leedslist  on behalf of {broken-address} 
> Richard Walker 
> Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2018 9:20:37 PM
> To: {broken-address} Nicholas Armit
> Cc: Leeds List; {broken-address} Richard Walker
> Subject: Re: [LU] Millwall
> 
> Yeah maybe mate. A few glasses of vino Tinto have mellowed me but I still 
> believe that the performance today was simply not good enough.
> 
> And when you’re talking about defending you’ve got to look at their goal, the 
> long throw-in and what a dog’s dinner we made of it. Also, the last 5 mins 
> I’d say was the poorest we’ve played in the last 3 seasons  and that’s 
> fucking saying something. Cooper , Jansson , Ayling and Douglass - it was 
> like watching the fucking circus.
> 
> Actually, no I’m sticking to my guns, we were shit today, v. Lucky to get a 
> point against what I thought was a v. Poor Millwall team. We can’t pretend 
> that this was good enough. Without Pablo we are not the same team,
> 
> 
>> On 15 Sep 2018, at 21:02, {broken-address} Nicholas Armit 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I have to say Rich I think you are being fat too negative. This for me is a 
>> massive point.
>> 
>>  - Thought Jansson and Cooper were immense, won over thirty clearances 
>> between them
>>  - We had three or four good chances, but Roberts just finding his way
>>  - Ayling didn't fluff that chance it was an incredible save (I watched on a 
>> good LUTV stream today so maybe that was the difference)
>>  - Alioski is thick
>>  - Harrison scored when needed. Otherwise I thought he looked decent when he 
>> did get the ball
>> 
>> To me that is a good point. Onwards!
>> NickOn Saturday, September 15, 2018, 12:10:13 PM EDT, {broken-address} 
>> Richard Walker  wrote:
>> 
>> Yep great goal from Harrison who I thought was poor throughout.
>> I didn't see last year's game but I listened on RL and by all accounts we 
>> were bullied out of it. Well, that was never the case today however I 
>> thought the game highlighted to me that we are not good enough and we just 
>> lacked quality all over the pitch and trying to overplay from the back in a 
>> game like this is only going to work if you have quality.
>> I found the all game totally frustrating. We had nothing going forward and 
>> every last pass was either overhit or just misplaced. This was our worst 
>> performance of the season.
>> And as for the fitness factor, well we were fucked in the last 5 minutes and 
>> injury time was just embarrassing as they played the most basic chip it into 
>> the box football but we just seemed incapable of defending it. Our keeper 
>> was nowhere and it was only really shit finishing that prevented an injury 
>> time winner for them. Elliot (remember him) hit the post with yet another 
>> free header in the box. We just collapsed.
>> I'm listening to Radio Leeds now and it's all 'we would have never have got 
>> anything from this last year' - maybe ?  and a draw, still unbeaten and 
>> still top of the league (I think) cannot be grumbled at but for me, this was 
>> nowhere near good enough and no better than a lot of performances I saw last 
>> year.
>> Scores:
>> Peacock - 4. When we were flapping at the end he did nothing. Awful keeping
>> Ayling -4. Defending poor and actually had our best chance but fluffed it.
>> Douglas - 5. Not effective going forward, defending desperate and his set 
>> pieces are awful.
>> Jansson - 7. I thought he defended well throughout but like the rest he was 
>> knackered at the end.
>> Cooper - 6. Did ok.
>> Philips - 3. Totally ineffective. Subbed
>> Kilch - 4. Sunday stroll perfromance not good enough in games like this. 
>> Subbed.
>> Siaz - 6. Tried his hardest and showed our only glimpses of quality. Hasn't 
>> got the legs though.
>> Harrison - 5. All 5 for his goal which was spectacular but his performance 
>> was woeful.
>> Allioski - 1. Offside, off-side, off fucking side. What a brainless twat.
>> Roberts - 2. powder puff rubbish. Had chances and fluffed them all.
>> Subs:
>> Baker, Forshaw and Dallas - all ineffective.
>> Yes, I should be happy 

Re: [LU] Millwall

[{broken-address} Richard Walker]

Yeah maybe mate. A few glasses of vino Tinto have mellowed me but I still 
believe that the performance today was simply not good enough.

And when you’re talking about defending you’ve got to look at their goal, the 
long throw-in and what a dog’s dinner we made of it. Also, the last 5 mins I’d 
say was the poorest we’ve played in the last 3 seasons  and that’s fucking 
saying something. Cooper , Jansson , Ayling and Douglass - it was like watching 
the fucking circus.

Actually, no I’m sticking to my guns, we were shit today, v. Lucky to get a 
point against what I thought was a v. Poor Millwall team. We can’t pretend that 
this was good enough. Without Pablo we are not the same team,


> On 15 Sep 2018, at 21:02, {broken-address} Nicholas Armit 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have to say Rich I think you are being fat too negative. This for me is a 
> massive point.
> 
>   - Thought Jansson and Cooper were immense, won over thirty clearances 
> between them
>   - We had three or four good chances, but Roberts just finding his way
>   - Ayling didn't fluff that chance it was an incredible save (I watched on a 
> good LUTV stream today so maybe that was the difference)
>   - Alioski is thick
>   - Harrison scored when needed. Otherwise I thought he looked decent when he 
> did get the ball
> 
> To me that is a good point. Onwards!
> NickOn Saturday, September 15, 2018, 12:10:13 PM EDT, {broken-address} 
> Richard Walker  wrote:  
> 
>  Yep great goal from Harrison who I thought was poor throughout. 
> I didn't see last year's game but I listened on RL and by all accounts we 
> were bullied out of it. Well, that was never the case today however I thought 
> the game highlighted to me that we are not good enough and we just lacked 
> quality all over the pitch and trying to overplay from the back in a game 
> like this is only going to work if you have quality. 
> I found the all game totally frustrating. We had nothing going forward and 
> every last pass was either overhit or just misplaced. This was our worst 
> performance of the season. 
> And as for the fitness factor, well we were fucked in the last 5 minutes and 
> injury time was just embarrassing as they played the most basic chip it into 
> the box football but we just seemed incapable of defending it. Our keeper was 
> nowhere and it was only really shit finishing that prevented an injury time 
> winner for them. Elliot (remember him) hit the post with yet another free 
> header in the box. We just collapsed. 
> I'm listening to Radio Leeds now and it's all 'we would have never have got 
> anything from this last year' - maybe ?  and a draw, still unbeaten and still 
> top of the league (I think) cannot be grumbled at but for me, this was 
> nowhere near good enough and no better than a lot of performances I saw last 
> year. 
> Scores:
> Peacock - 4. When we were flapping at the end he did nothing. Awful keeping 
> Ayling -4. Defending poor and actually had our best chance but fluffed it. 
> Douglas - 5. Not effective going forward, defending desperate and his set 
> pieces are awful. 
> Jansson - 7. I thought he defended well throughout but like the rest he was 
> knackered at the end. 
> Cooper - 6. Did ok. 
> Philips - 3. Totally ineffective. Subbed
> Kilch - 4. Sunday stroll perfromance not good enough in games like this. 
> Subbed. 
> Siaz - 6. Tried his hardest and showed our only glimpses of quality. Hasn't 
> got the legs though. 
> Harrison - 5. All 5 for his goal which was spectacular but his performance 
> was woeful. 
> Allioski - 1. Offside, off-side, off fucking side. What a brainless twat. 
> Roberts - 2. powder puff rubbish. Had chances and fluffed them all. 
> Subs:
> Baker, Forshaw and Dallas - all ineffective. 
> Yes, I should be happy as I crack open a bottle of red but I'm not. I didn't 
> enjoy this match and our performance was lacking. 
> Anyone know what was happening on the sidelines with Harris and our bench ? 
> Looking to the next matches, I think we have real problems with a striker 
> option at the mo.
> On Saturday, 15 September 2018, 16:50:24 BST, Michael Benjamin 
>  wrote:  
> 
> 1-1
> In last minute 
> 
> 
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> Community  Psychiatrist,
> Oranit,
> Israel 4481300
> +972505317772
> SKYPE:BEDENOGA
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> 
> From: Leedslist  on behalf of {broken-address} 
> Richard Walker 
> Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2018 6:33:44 PM
> To: {broken-address} Richard Walker; Leeds List; JONATHAN WYNNE
> Subject: Re: [LU] Millw

Re: [LU] Millwall

[{broken-address} Nicholas Armit]

 So I started off with saying that was a massive point and ended up saying that 
was a good point. Maybe Rich's negativity got to me after all! :-)
Shit point should have won.
Nick
On Saturday, September 15, 2018, 4:03:18 PM EDT, {broken-address} Nicholas 
Armit  wrote:  
 
  I have to say Rich I think you are being fat too negative. This for me is a 
massive point.
  
  - Thought Jansson and Cooper were immense, won over thirty clearances between 
them
  - We had three or four good chances, but Roberts just finding his way
  - Ayling didn't fluff that chance it was an incredible save (I watched on a 
good LUTV stream today so maybe that was the difference)
  - Alioski is thick
  - Harrison scored when needed. Otherwise I thought he looked decent when he 
did get the ball

To me that is a good point. Onwards!
Nick    On Saturday, September 15, 2018, 12:10:13 PM EDT, {broken-address} 
Richard Walker  wrote:  
 
  Yep great goal from Harrison who I thought was poor throughout. 
I didn't see last year's game but I listened on RL and by all accounts we were 
bullied out of it. Well, that was never the case today however I thought the 
game highlighted to me that we are not good enough and we just lacked quality 
all over the pitch and trying to overplay from the back in a game like this is 
only going to work if you have quality. 
I found the all game totally frustrating. We had nothing going forward and 
every last pass was either overhit or just misplaced. This was our worst 
performance of the season. 
And as for the fitness factor, well we were fucked in the last 5 minutes and 
injury time was just embarrassing as they played the most basic chip it into 
the box football but we just seemed incapable of defending it. Our keeper was 
nowhere and it was only really shit finishing that prevented an injury time 
winner for them. Elliot (remember him) hit the post with yet another free 
header in the box. We just collapsed. 
I'm listening to Radio Leeds now and it's all 'we would have never have got 
anything from this last year' - maybe ?  and a draw, still unbeaten and still 
top of the league (I think) cannot be grumbled at but for me, this was nowhere 
near good enough and no better than a lot of performances I saw last year. 
Scores:
Peacock - 4. When we were flapping at the end he did nothing. Awful keeping 
Ayling -4. Defending poor and actually had our best chance but fluffed it. 
Douglas - 5. Not effective going forward, defending desperate and his set 
pieces are awful. 
Jansson - 7. I thought he defended well throughout but like the rest he was 
knackered at the end. 
Cooper - 6. Did ok. 
Philips - 3. Totally ineffective. Subbed
Kilch - 4. Sunday stroll perfromance not good enough in games like this. 
Subbed. 
Siaz - 6. Tried his hardest and showed our only glimpses of quality. Hasn't got 
the legs though. 
Harrison - 5. All 5 for his goal which was spectacular but his performance was 
woeful. 
Allioski - 1. Offside, off-side, off fucking side. What a brainless twat. 
Roberts - 2. powder puff rubbish. Had chances and fluffed them all. 
Subs:
Baker, Forshaw and Dallas - all ineffective. 
Yes, I should be happy as I crack open a bottle of red but I'm not. I didn't 
enjoy this match and our performance was lacking. 
Anyone know what was happening on the sidelines with Harris and our bench ? 
Looking to the next matches, I think we have real problems with a striker 
option at the mo.
    On Saturday, 15 September 2018, 16:50:24 BST, Michael Benjamin 
 wrote:  
 
 1-1
In last minute 


Dr Michael Benjamin,
Community  Psychiatrist,
Oranit,
Israel 4481300
+972505317772
SKYPE:BEDENOGA
 Amazon Author Page<https://www.amazon.com/Michael-Benjamin/e/B00ZTT5HUK/>
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From: Leedslist  on behalf of {broken-address} 
Richard Walker 
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2018 6:33:44 PM
To: {broken-address} Richard Walker; Leeds List; JONATHAN WYNNE
Subject: Re: [LU] Millwall

Philips off , forshaw on - Philips is shit
    On Saturday, 15 September 2018, 16:31:33 BST, {broken-address} Richard 
Walker  wrote:

  roberts off , harrison up front ???
this is so fucking frustrating

    On Saturday, 15 September 2018, 16:22:14 BST, {broken-address} JONATHAN 
WYNNE  wrote:

 Please let us just grab a point and get the hell out of there.

    On Saturday, 15 September 2018, 16:15, {broken-address} Richard Walker 
 wrote:


  long fucking throwing ... say no more.
    On Saturday, 15 September 2018, 15:54:23 BST, {broken-address} Richard 
Walker  wrote:

 Watching on dodgy internet link.
what a pile of shite. I think the best thing I could say is that they're 
certainly not bullying us out of it mainly cos they are shit. Long throws as 
per Boro are their main tactic.
we've tried to play but the obsession with passing it around at the back has 
caused our main problems. the p

Re: [LU] Millwall

[{broken-address} Nicholas Armit]

 I have to say Rich I think you are being fat too negative. This for me is a 
massive point.
   
   - Thought Jansson and Cooper were immense, won over thirty clearances 
between them
   - We had three or four good chances, but Roberts just finding his way
   - Ayling didn't fluff that chance it was an incredible save (I watched on a 
good LUTV stream today so maybe that was the difference)
   - Alioski is thick
   - Harrison scored when needed. Otherwise I thought he looked decent when he 
did get the ball

To me that is a good point. Onwards!
NickOn Saturday, September 15, 2018, 12:10:13 PM EDT, {broken-address} 
Richard Walker  wrote:  
 
  Yep great goal from Harrison who I thought was poor throughout. 
I didn't see last year's game but I listened on RL and by all accounts we were 
bullied out of it. Well, that was never the case today however I thought the 
game highlighted to me that we are not good enough and we just lacked quality 
all over the pitch and trying to overplay from the back in a game like this is 
only going to work if you have quality. 
I found the all game totally frustrating. We had nothing going forward and 
every last pass was either overhit or just misplaced. This was our worst 
performance of the season. 
And as for the fitness factor, well we were fucked in the last 5 minutes and 
injury time was just embarrassing as they played the most basic chip it into 
the box football but we just seemed incapable of defending it. Our keeper was 
nowhere and it was only really shit finishing that prevented an injury time 
winner for them. Elliot (remember him) hit the post with yet another free 
header in the box. We just collapsed. 
I'm listening to Radio Leeds now and it's all 'we would have never have got 
anything from this last year' - maybe ?  and a draw, still unbeaten and still 
top of the league (I think) cannot be grumbled at but for me, this was nowhere 
near good enough and no better than a lot of performances I saw last year. 
Scores:
Peacock - 4. When we were flapping at the end he did nothing. Awful keeping 
Ayling -4. Defending poor and actually had our best chance but fluffed it. 
Douglas - 5. Not effective going forward, defending desperate and his set 
pieces are awful. 
Jansson - 7. I thought he defended well throughout but like the rest he was 
knackered at the end. 
Cooper - 6. Did ok. 
Philips - 3. Totally ineffective. Subbed
Kilch - 4. Sunday stroll perfromance not good enough in games like this. 
Subbed. 
Siaz - 6. Tried his hardest and showed our only glimpses of quality. Hasn't got 
the legs though. 
Harrison - 5. All 5 for his goal which was spectacular but his performance was 
woeful. 
Allioski - 1. Offside, off-side, off fucking side. What a brainless twat. 
Roberts - 2. powder puff rubbish. Had chances and fluffed them all. 
Subs:
Baker, Forshaw and Dallas - all ineffective. 
Yes, I should be happy as I crack open a bottle of red but I'm not. I didn't 
enjoy this match and our performance was lacking. 
Anyone know what was happening on the sidelines with Harris and our bench ? 
Looking to the next matches, I think we have real problems with a striker 
option at the mo.
    On Saturday, 15 September 2018, 16:50:24 BST, Michael Benjamin 
 wrote:  
 
 1-1
In last minute 


Dr Michael Benjamin,
Community  Psychiatrist,
Oranit,
Israel 4481300
+972505317772
SKYPE:BEDENOGA
 Amazon Author Page<https://www.amazon.com/Michael-Benjamin/e/B00ZTT5HUK/>
Blogs:<https://www.jpost.com/Blogger/Michael-Benjamin>
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From: Leedslist  on behalf of {broken-address} 
Richard Walker 
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2018 6:33:44 PM
To: {broken-address} Richard Walker; Leeds List; JONATHAN WYNNE
Subject: Re: [LU] Millwall

Philips off , forshaw on - Philips is shit
    On Saturday, 15 September 2018, 16:31:33 BST, {broken-address} Richard 
Walker  wrote:

  roberts off , harrison up front ???
this is so fucking frustrating

    On Saturday, 15 September 2018, 16:22:14 BST, {broken-address} JONATHAN 
WYNNE  wrote:

 Please let us just grab a point and get the hell out of there.

    On Saturday, 15 September 2018, 16:15, {broken-address} Richard Walker 
 wrote:


  long fucking throwing ... say no more.
    On Saturday, 15 September 2018, 15:54:23 BST, {broken-address} Richard 
Walker  wrote:

 Watching on dodgy internet link.
what a pile of shite. I think the best thing I could say is that they're 
certainly not bullying us out of it mainly cos they are shit. Long throws as 
per Boro are their main tactic.
we've tried to play but the obsession with passing it around at the back has 
caused our main problems. the players aren't good enough to play that game 
under pressure in a game like this.
We've created little , the best chance falling to Roberts just before half-time 
when he ran for a ball, he was second best to win it but it fell for him and he 
placed it towards the goal but

Re: [LU] Millwall

[{broken-address} Richard Walker]

Yep and I'm happy with that but did you see the game today ? Dreadful.

> On 15 Sep 2018, at 18:44, Richard Naef  
> wrote:
> 
> Reality? We are top of the fucking league.  We have a manager who in 2 months 
> has done more than the other god knows how many over the last 15 years.
> 
> Sent from my mobile
> 
> 
> From: Leedslist  on behalf of {broken-address} 
> Richard Walker 
> Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2018 5:11:20 PM
> To: Leeds List; nat...@sky.com
> Subject: Re: [LU] Millwall
> 
> Dave, we have to be real here, this was no masterstoke. Those last 5 minutes 
> were embarassing. we didn't know how to cope and we didn't know what we were 
> doing. Also, there's talk we are the fittest team in the league. No way, we 
> were fucked.
>On Saturday, 15 September 2018, 17:02:13 BST, nat...@sky.com 
>  wrote:
> 
> Frustrating or a master stroke from MB ? Rich ?
> 
> Also watched on a dodgy stream - on 85 mins I whatsapp'd my mates and said 
> even though it would be the same end result as last year it was a much better 
> performance and no reason for it to collapse our season - we have not been 
> 'found out'
> Then clutching at straws I said there would be lots of time added on but that 
> we would not score ! 10 seconds later - Harrison thrown up front gets the goal
> Having said that how the f8ck we survived the last couple of minutes I do not 
> know - we would not have got a point in this game in the past (and indeed we 
> didn't)
> So with Boro losing we are top on our own -even if only by one point- and 
> have two winnable home games, if we play to our potential, even with the 
> injuries we should beat Preston and Birmingham
> Happy enough in the end
> Dave
> 
> 
> roberts off , harrison up front ???
> this is so fucking frustrating
> 
>On Saturday, 15 September 2018, 16:22:14 BST, {broken-address} JONATHAN 
> WYNNE  wrote:
> 
> Please let us just grab a point and get the hell out of there.
> 
>On Saturday, 15 September 2018, 16:15, {broken-address} Richard Walker 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
>  long fucking throwing ... say no more.
>On Saturday, 15 September 2018, 15:54:23 BST, {broken-address} Richard 
> Walker  wrote:
> 
> Watching on dodgy internet link.
> what a pile of shite. I think the best thing I could say is that they're 
> certainly not bullying us out of it mainly cos they are shit. Long throws as 
> per Boro are their main tactic.
> we've tried to play but the obsession with passing it around at the back has 
> caused our main problems. the players aren't good enough to play that game 
> under pressure in a game like this.
> We've created little , the best chance falling to Roberts just before 
> half-time when he ran for a ball, he was second best to win it but it fell 
> for him and he placed it towards the goal but it hit hte keeper and didn't 
> have the pace. Not surprisingly Roberts has looked a tad lightweight but he's 
> had no service. Harrison has hardly touched the ball in their half.
> Allioski has made some good runs but guess what ? everytime off-side. Wish he 
> would grow some brain cells.
> Difficult to call this one, but I suspect one of their long throws wll 
> eventually fall on Morrisons head. Just hope we can score at the other end. 
> We have defended well at times with Jansson and Cooper.
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Re: [LU] Millwall

[{broken-address} Richard Walker]

 Dave, we have to be real here, this was no masterstoke. Those last 5 minutes 
were embarassing. we didn't know how to cope and we didn't know what we were 
doing. Also, there's talk we are the fittest team in the league. No way, we 
were fucked. 
On Saturday, 15 September 2018, 17:02:13 BST, nat...@sky.com 
 wrote:  
 
 Frustrating or a master stroke from MB ? Rich ?

Also watched on a dodgy stream - on 85 mins I whatsapp'd my mates and said even 
though it would be the same end result as last year it was a much better 
performance and no reason for it to collapse our season - we have not been 
'found out'
Then clutching at straws I said there would be lots of time added on but that 
we would not score ! 10 seconds later - Harrison thrown up front gets the goal
Having said that how the f8ck we survived the last couple of minutes I do not 
know - we would not have got a point in this game in the past (and indeed we 
didn't)
So with Boro losing we are top on our own -even if only by one point- and have 
two winnable home games, if we play to our potential, even with the injuries we 
should beat Preston and Birmingham
Happy enough in the end
Dave

    
 roberts off , harrison up front ???
this is so fucking frustrating 

    On Saturday, 15 September 2018, 16:22:14 BST, {broken-address} JONATHAN 
WYNNE  wrote:  
 
 Please let us just grab a point and get the hell out of there. 

    On Saturday, 15 September 2018, 16:15, {broken-address} Richard Walker 
 wrote:
 

  long fucking throwing ... say no more.
    On Saturday, 15 September 2018, 15:54:23 BST, {broken-address} Richard 
Walker  wrote:  
 
 Watching on dodgy internet link.
what a pile of shite. I think the best thing I could say is that they're 
certainly not bullying us out of it mainly cos they are shit. Long throws as 
per Boro are their main tactic. 
we've tried to play but the obsession with passing it around at the back has 
caused our main problems. the players aren't good enough to play that game 
under pressure in a game like this. 
We've created little , the best chance falling to Roberts just before half-time 
when he ran for a ball, he was second best to win it but it fell for him and he 
placed it towards the goal but it hit hte keeper and didn't have the pace. Not 
surprisingly Roberts has looked a tad lightweight but he's had no service. 
Harrison has hardly touched the ball in their half. 
Allioski has made some good runs but guess what ? everytime off-side. Wish he 
would grow some brain cells.
Difficult to call this one, but I suspect one of their long throws wll 
eventually fall on Morrisons head. Just hope we can score at the other end. We 
have defended well at times with Jansson and Cooper. 
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Re: [LU] Millwall

[{broken-address} Richard Walker]

 Yep great goal from Harrison who I thought was poor throughout. 
I didn't see last year's game but I listened on RL and by all accounts we were 
bullied out of it. Well, that was never the case today however I thought the 
game highlighted to me that we are not good enough and we just lacked quality 
all over the pitch and trying to overplay from the back in a game like this is 
only going to work if you have quality. 
I found the all game totally frustrating. We had nothing going forward and 
every last pass was either overhit or just misplaced. This was our worst 
performance of the season. 
And as for the fitness factor, well we were fucked in the last 5 minutes and 
injury time was just embarrassing as they played the most basic chip it into 
the box football but we just seemed incapable of defending it. Our keeper was 
nowhere and it was only really shit finishing that prevented an injury time 
winner for them. Elliot (remember him) hit the post with yet another free 
header in the box. We just collapsed. 
I'm listening to Radio Leeds now and it's all 'we would have never have got 
anything from this last year' - maybe ?  and a draw, still unbeaten and still 
top of the league (I think) cannot be grumbled at but for me, this was nowhere 
near good enough and no better than a lot of performances I saw last year. 
Scores:
Peacock - 4. When we were flapping at the end he did nothing. Awful keeping 
Ayling -4. Defending poor and actually had our best chance but fluffed it. 
Douglas - 5. Not effective going forward, defending desperate and his set 
pieces are awful. 
Jansson - 7. I thought he defended well throughout but like the rest he was 
knackered at the end. 
Cooper - 6. Did ok. 
Philips - 3. Totally ineffective. Subbed
Kilch - 4. Sunday stroll perfromance not good enough in games like this. 
Subbed. 
Siaz - 6. Tried his hardest and showed our only glimpses of quality. Hasn't got 
the legs though. 
Harrison - 5. All 5 for his goal which was spectacular but his performance was 
woeful. 
Allioski - 1. Offside, off-side, off fucking side. What a brainless twat. 
Roberts - 2. powder puff rubbish. Had chances and fluffed them all. 
Subs:
Baker, Forshaw and Dallas - all ineffective. 
Yes, I should be happy as I crack open a bottle of red but I'm not. I didn't 
enjoy this match and our performance was lacking. 
Anyone know what was happening on the sidelines with Harris and our bench ? 
Looking to the next matches, I think we have real problems with a striker 
option at the mo.
On Saturday, 15 September 2018, 16:50:24 BST, Michael Benjamin 
 wrote:  
 
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From: Leedslist  on behalf of {broken-address} 
Richard Walker 
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2018 6:33:44 PM
To: {broken-address} Richard Walker; Leeds List; JONATHAN WYNNE
Subject: Re: [LU] Millwall

Philips off , forshaw on - Philips is shit
    On Saturday, 15 September 2018, 16:31:33 BST, {broken-address} Richard 
Walker  wrote:

  roberts off , harrison up front ???
this is so fucking frustrating

    On Saturday, 15 September 2018, 16:22:14 BST, {broken-address} JONATHAN 
WYNNE  wrote:

 Please let us just grab a point and get the hell out of there.

    On Saturday, 15 September 2018, 16:15, {broken-address} Richard Walker 
 wrote:


  long fucking throwing ... say no more.
    On Saturday, 15 September 2018, 15:54:23 BST, {broken-address} Richard 
Walker  wrote:

 Watching on dodgy internet link.
what a pile of shite. I think the best thing I could say is that they're 
certainly not bullying us out of it mainly cos they are shit. Long throws as 
per Boro are their main tactic.
we've tried to play but the obsession with passing it around at the back has 
caused our main problems. the players aren't good enough to play that game 
under pressure in a game like this.
We've created little , the best chance falling to Roberts just before half-time 
when he ran for a ball, he was second best to win it but it fell for him and he 
placed it towards the goal but it hit hte keeper and didn't have the pace. Not 
surprisingly Roberts has looked a tad lightweight but he's had no service. 
Harrison has hardly touched the ball in their half.
Allioski has made some good runs but guess what ? everytime off-side. Wish he 
would grow some brain cells.
Difficult to call this one, but I suspect one of their long throws wll 
eventually fall on Morrisons head. Just hope we can score at the other end. We 
have defended well at times with Jansson and Cooper.
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Re: [LU] Millwall

[{broken-address} Richard Walker]

 Philips off , forshaw on - Philips is shit 
On Saturday, 15 September 2018, 16:31:33 BST, {broken-address} Richard 
Walker  wrote:  
 
  roberts off , harrison up front ???
this is so fucking frustrating 

    On Saturday, 15 September 2018, 16:22:14 BST, {broken-address} JONATHAN 
WYNNE  wrote:  
 
 Please let us just grab a point and get the hell out of there. 

    On Saturday, 15 September 2018, 16:15, {broken-address} Richard Walker 
 wrote:
 

  long fucking throwing ... say no more.
    On Saturday, 15 September 2018, 15:54:23 BST, {broken-address} Richard 
Walker  wrote:  
 
 Watching on dodgy internet link.
what a pile of shite. I think the best thing I could say is that they're 
certainly not bullying us out of it mainly cos they are shit. Long throws as 
per Boro are their main tactic. 
we've tried to play but the obsession with passing it around at the back has 
caused our main problems. the players aren't good enough to play that game 
under pressure in a game like this. 
We've created little , the best chance falling to Roberts just before half-time 
when he ran for a ball, he was second best to win it but it fell for him and he 
placed it towards the goal but it hit hte keeper and didn't have the pace. Not 
surprisingly Roberts has looked a tad lightweight but he's had no service. 
Harrison has hardly touched the ball in their half. 
Allioski has made some good runs but guess what ? everytime off-side. Wish he 
would grow some brain cells.
Difficult to call this one, but I suspect one of their long throws wll 
eventually fall on Morrisons head. Just hope we can score at the other end. We 
have defended well at times with Jansson and Cooper. 
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Re: [LU] Millwall

[{broken-address} Richard Walker]

 roberts off , harrison up front ???
this is so fucking frustrating 

On Saturday, 15 September 2018, 16:22:14 BST, {broken-address} JONATHAN 
WYNNE  wrote:  
 
 Please let us just grab a point and get the hell out of there. 

    On Saturday, 15 September 2018, 16:15, {broken-address} Richard Walker 
 wrote:
 

  long fucking throwing ... say no more.
    On Saturday, 15 September 2018, 15:54:23 BST, {broken-address} Richard 
Walker  wrote:  
 
 Watching on dodgy internet link.
what a pile of shite. I think the best thing I could say is that they're 
certainly not bullying us out of it mainly cos they are shit. Long throws as 
per Boro are their main tactic. 
we've tried to play but the obsession with passing it around at the back has 
caused our main problems. the players aren't good enough to play that game 
under pressure in a game like this. 
We've created little , the best chance falling to Roberts just before half-time 
when he ran for a ball, he was second best to win it but it fell for him and he 
placed it towards the goal but it hit hte keeper and didn't have the pace. Not 
surprisingly Roberts has looked a tad lightweight but he's had no service. 
Harrison has hardly touched the ball in their half. 
Allioski has made some good runs but guess what ? everytime off-side. Wish he 
would grow some brain cells.
Difficult to call this one, but I suspect one of their long throws wll 
eventually fall on Morrisons head. Just hope we can score at the other end. We 
have defended well at times with Jansson and Cooper. 
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Re: [LU] Millwall

[{broken-address} JONATHAN WYNNE]

Please let us just grab a point and get the hell out of there. 

On Saturday, 15 September 2018, 16:15, {broken-address} Richard Walker 
 wrote:
 

  long fucking throwing ... say no more.
    On Saturday, 15 September 2018, 15:54:23 BST, {broken-address} Richard 
Walker  wrote:  
 
 Watching on dodgy internet link.
what a pile of shite. I think the best thing I could say is that they're 
certainly not bullying us out of it mainly cos they are shit. Long throws as 
per Boro are their main tactic. 
we've tried to play but the obsession with passing it around at the back has 
caused our main problems. the players aren't good enough to play that game 
under pressure in a game like this. 
We've created little , the best chance falling to Roberts just before half-time 
when he ran for a ball, he was second best to win it but it fell for him and he 
placed it towards the goal but it hit hte keeper and didn't have the pace. Not 
surprisingly Roberts has looked a tad lightweight but he's had no service. 
Harrison has hardly touched the ball in their half. 
Allioski has made some good runs but guess what ? everytime off-side. Wish he 
would grow some brain cells.
Difficult to call this one, but I suspect one of their long throws wll 
eventually fall on Morrisons head. Just hope we can score at the other end. We 
have defended well at times with Jansson and Cooper. 
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Re: [LU] Millwall

[{broken-address} Richard Walker]

 long fucking throwing ... say no more.
On Saturday, 15 September 2018, 15:54:23 BST, {broken-address} Richard 
Walker  wrote:  
 
 Watching on dodgy internet link.
what a pile of shite. I think the best thing I could say is that they're 
certainly not bullying us out of it mainly cos they are shit. Long throws as 
per Boro are their main tactic. 
we've tried to play but the obsession with passing it around at the back has 
caused our main problems. the players aren't good enough to play that game 
under pressure in a game like this. 
We've created little , the best chance falling to Roberts just before half-time 
when he ran for a ball, he was second best to win it but it fell for him and he 
placed it towards the goal but it hit hte keeper and didn't have the pace. Not 
surprisingly Roberts has looked a tad lightweight but he's had no service. 
Harrison has hardly touched the ball in their half. 
Allioski has made some good runs but guess what ? everytime off-side. Wish he 
would grow some brain cells.
Difficult to call this one, but I suspect one of their long throws wll 
eventually fall on Morrisons head. Just hope we can score at the other end. We 
have defended well at times with Jansson and Cooper. 
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[LU] Millwall

[{broken-address} Richard Walker]

Watching on dodgy internet link.
what a pile of shite. I think the best thing I could say is that they're 
certainly not bullying us out of it mainly cos they are shit. Long throws as 
per Boro are their main tactic. 
we've tried to play but the obsession with passing it around at the back has 
caused our main problems. the players aren't good enough to play that game 
under pressure in a game like this. 
We've created little , the best chance falling to Roberts just before half-time 
when he ran for a ball, he was second best to win it but it fell for him and he 
placed it towards the goal but it hit hte keeper and didn't have the pace. Not 
surprisingly Roberts has looked a tad lightweight but he's had no service. 
Harrison has hardly touched the ball in their half. 
Allioski has made some good runs but guess what ? everytime off-side. Wish he 
would grow some brain cells.
Difficult to call this one, but I suspect one of their long throws wll 
eventually fall on Morrisons head. Just hope we can score at the other end. We 
have defended well at times with Jansson and Cooper. 
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Re: [LU] injuries

[{broken-address} Richard Walker]

I wonder if the Hernandez and Roofe injuries a result of over training ?

I think this is Tyler Roberts’s big chance. He’s not a winger and has struggled 
playing out wide this season. A free, central role might just suit him? Unless 
Bielsa decides to play Roberts in Pablo’s position and one of the young lads up 
front ?

Thought we really missed Hernandez against Boro and I don’t think we look the 
same team without him.


> On 13 Sep 2018, at 16:09, Richard Naef  
> wrote:
> 
> Roofe, Hernandez, Bamford and Beradi all crocked for Saturday, we still 
> should beat Millwall, EL Loco's plans are looking a little bit threadbare 
> already and there is no Plan B!   Still got my support, but if we get 
> battered by Millwall some of his sheen will be tarnished,
> 
> ttfn
> 
> Richard
> 
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Re: [LU] injuries

[{broken-address} Nicholas Armit]

 While I see the logic in this I also feel that when we lost players last year 
we just brought in crap to replace, so extra bodies yes but a drop in quality. 
At least this way we will see if Roberts etc who have been playing with the 
squad since pre-season are fully integrated in the team. I guess the intent is 
that with a small squad the drop off in class should not be so great.
Just a bead game for this to happen though Millwall have been crap so far.
Nick
On Thursday, September 13, 2018, 11:54:05 AM EDT, {broken-address} 
 wrote:  
 
 Of the four, I think Berardi might actually be the one we miss most against 
Millwall. That's an odd thing to say, I know, because in Jansson we probably 
have the highest quality replacement out of the four. But if there's one player 
you could guarantee would be up for the physical battle Millwall are bound to 
present us with, it's Bera. Jansson, by contrast, despite his physical size, 
often goes missing when things get dirty and/or the chips are down.
This game is shaping up to be a huge test of Bielsa's methods: pass-and-move 
football against Millwall's calculated thuggery, and the preference for a small 
squad despite the physical demands of the Championship.
Cheers!
Sean


-Original Message-
From: Richard Naef 
To: Leeds List 
Sent: Thu, Sep 13, 2018 11:09 am
Subject: [LU] injuries

Roofe, Hernandez, Bamford and Beradi all crocked for Saturday, we still should 
beat Millwall, EL Loco's plans are looking a little bit threadbare already and 
there is no Plan B!  Still got my support, but if we get battered by Millwall 
some of his sheen will be tarnished,

ttfn

Richard

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Re: [LU] injuries

[{broken-address}]

Of the four, I think Berardi might actually be the one we miss most against 
Millwall. That's an odd thing to say, I know, because in Jansson we probably 
have the highest quality replacement out of the four. But if there's one player 
you could guarantee would be up for the physical battle Millwall are bound to 
present us with, it's Bera. Jansson, by contrast, despite his physical size, 
often goes missing when things get dirty and/or the chips are down.
This game is shaping up to be a huge test of Bielsa's methods: pass-and-move 
football against Millwall's calculated thuggery, and the preference for a small 
squad despite the physical demands of the Championship.
Cheers!
Sean


-Original Message-
From: Richard Naef 
To: Leeds List 
Sent: Thu, Sep 13, 2018 11:09 am
Subject: [LU] injuries

Roofe, Hernandez, Bamford and Beradi all crocked for Saturday, we still should 
beat Millwall, EL Loco's plans are looking a little bit threadbare already and 
there is no Plan B!  Still got my support, but if we get battered by Millwall 
some of his sheen will be tarnished,

ttfn

Richard

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Re: [LU] Calling Phil Shields

[{broken-address} Forsake ends]

Try Department S ?

Sent from my iPhone

> On 8 Sep 2018, at 18:24, Richard Naef  wrote:
> 
> Is Phil there?..
> 
> ttfn
> 
> Richard
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Re: [LU] Boro

[{broken-address} Richard Walker]

Boro were blatantly time wasting in the first half. I can understand setting 
your team out not to get beat but time wasting and ruining the game is 
shocking. 

   On Sunday, 2 September 2018, 20:38:44 BST, {broken-address} Nicholas Armit 
 wrote:  
 
 I have to ask how can you enjoy that? The way they play is truly appalling to 
watch.  On Saturday, September 1, 2018, 11:07:25 PM EDT, Ian Murray 
 wrote:  
 
 Dont really get the critcism of Pulis. He sets up a physically big team and 
plays in a way to get results. It worked for him and you have to say it was a 
better result for them than us. I used to enjoy watching his Stoke team in the 
Prem so this "anti football" stuff is bollocks in my opinion.


They came for draw and got one. That said, that should be a massive confidence 
boost for us. They were scared of us and set up to try and stop us - clearly we 
are the better side and if we keep doing what we're doing, we WILL get promoted.

I agree Bamford should have been on earlier. Otherwise were top of the league 
ahead of the break. Youd take that, wouldnt you?




Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.


 Original message 
From: nat...@sky.com
Date: 01/09/2018 17:33 (GMT+08:00)
To: Leeds List 
Subject: Re: [LU] Boro

Agree with both of you to some extent, more on Nicks  side as regards my 
enjoyment and level of happinessI sent two texts to my wife which sum it up for 
me - at half time "0 0 more intriguing than exciting but so far so good. Settle 
now for 0 0 at the end"and then from the bus at the end - "ended 0 0 so content 
rather than happy.No chances either way - teams cancelled each other out but 
another hurdle crossed"
If I was the supposed 'neutral' watching this on TV I would have switched off 
at half time and gone and watched the grass grow BUT I was there live and the 
atmosphere generated by a full house and the tension in the game made it well 
worth watching and time seemed to fly by.
As Rich says it was like playing in the land of the giants, they really are a 
big team and whether it is 'anti football' or not they were physical niggly and 
time wasting throughout. They are also up there with the best this Division has 
to offer and I reckon if you finish above them you will be promoted (or at 
least 100% guarenteed play off place)

We are still very much a work in progress and still learning how to play 
against certain opposition. Whilst it is true we did not create a single clear 
cut chance and never worked the keeper they only hand a couple which BPF did 
well to save, and whilst I agree that he was MoM (or person of the match for 
the cricket lovers!!) that was more to do with his catching crosses and general 
play rather than making spectacular saves.
I was a bit surprised at the lack of subs especially given how quickly he made 
all 3 v Swansea but when discussing it with my mate during the match his theory 
was that it was so evenly matched that any substitution was almost an admission 
of failure - a sort of who blinks first type of thing. Whatever the truth of it 
I would have liked to see Bamford on with time to do something - Roofe was 
working his socks off but suffered from a total lack of good service and an 
inability to make things happen himself. Maybe I fall for the ex player always 
scores agianst his old team cliche but I did think Bamford could have given us 
the goal we craved
Like everyone I was worried, as I have been many games, that we would be 
vulnerable at corners and long throws / free kicks but once again we stood up 
to the battering (thanks in no small part to BPF) - in fact apart from Swansea 
when both Cooper and Pontus were missing, we have not conceded a goal from open 
play or a corner or long throw in 5 of the 6 games (one pen and one direct free 
kick) and only conceded 4 goals in 6 a great defensive record for a team that 
is all about attacking.
So a bit of a break and time to get Forshaw and Brown fit, and more importantly 
time for Bielsa to get stuck into the team (only a few will be off on 
international duty) and continue to get his ideas across. IT also means we will 
top of the league for a few more weeks minimum before we face another of the 
hurdles -Millwall a team that are fairly rubbish week in week out in front of a 
handful of fans but turn into world beaters in front of a full house when it is 
us in town
So  it was a result I would have taken at the start of the game and another 
challenge faced and just about passed

Dave


      From: Nick 
 To: Leeds List 
 Sent: Saturday, 1 September 2018, 9:03
 Subject: Re: [LU] Boro

Pretty much agree with that. Don’t know about ‘anti-football’ - there’s no rule 
that dictates how you have play the game (as long as you stay within the rules 
of the game of course) - but I do know that I’d rather face the prospect of a 
season spent playing how we have for the last month than how it looks like Boro 
will play. They were large, physic

Re: [LU] Boro

[{broken-address} Nicholas Armit]

gs and fire the crosses in low and 
fast behind a turning defence, this was the one...on the other hand the ‘only 
thing’…and I know it is a big one…but the only thing missing from last night 
for us was a goal. We got tested under their dead ball / long throw game and 
didn’t buckle…this resilience has been a worry in recent weeks.

Allioski is tricky - he does tons of work for the team, tracking up and down 
the wing, covering his full back, and can be pretty good in the box (even 
headers) but he can be clueless as well, some of those offsides were 
unnecessary and stopped us pressing forward, putting them under pressure and 
relieving the defence.

Breradi had an immense first half - agree that our Keeper was our MOTM.

It was a disappointment I suppose, but it wasn’t a dull 0-0 draw. It was always 
tense and there was a lot of incident. It may say more about me, but I kind of 
enjoyed the game. And I’d have taken 14 points, unbeaten and top of the league 
after 6 games, if you’d have offered that at the start of the season (including 
being out of the League Cup).


> On 1 Sep 2018, at 08:14, {broken-address} Richard Walker 
>  wrote:
>
> Lots of comments on the bus back into town after the game the Pulis is 
> 'anti-football' and he is 'destroying the game' with his turgid style which 
> sets his teams up not to lose first and foremost with the hope they can nick 
> a goal from a long throwing, corner or a set piece. Boro also blatantly time 
> wasted from the off which is horrible to watch but you have to say that I 
> never thought we would win this game. It's a shame that Boro play like this 
> because they do have good players in the team (Clayton, Howson, Downing) and 
> we saw glimpses of them in the first half, especially when Howson danced 
> around KIich, left him for dead and made Peacock make a good save. Can we buy 
> him back please? I've always been a big fan.
> As soon as the teams came out I said they looked like a big team whereas we 
> had no height. Bielsa dropped Jansson to bring back Cooper and so we lost our 
> best defender from set pieces (and long throws). Also we played Roofe, on his 
> own up front, against some 6ft plus horrible, cheating, ugly bastards 
> (Ayala). He was never going to get a sniff and when you consider we lost 
> Hernandes and Saiz was having another off day it was always going to be tough 
> for us. I don't think their keeper had to make a decent save all night.
> Having said that we battled hard and deserved a point but I think it was more 
> down to poor Boro play than anything. I don't think we won many headers in 
> our box and they had chance after chance from free headers in the first half 
> that they either sailed over or on one occassion from another long throw 
> Peacock excellently saved.
> We tried to play the way we have done so far and at times we did manage to 
> create space and openings it's just there was no end product or Boro just 
> snuffed the attack out. When we did get space, it usually fell to Allioski 
> who more than often was off-side. He really is a brainless footballer at 
> times. Look along the line you numbskull. I was watching him making his runs 
> in the first half and he was always at least a yard off side. Frustrating. So 
> lots of possession but very little end product.
> Is Saiz injured ? because he doesn't look the same player as he did for the 
> opening games. He didn't have the pace or the acceleration to get the ball 
> and go on those runs where he always seems to be a yard ahead of the 
> opposition. He seems to be stuggling and doesn't have the legs to do what he 
> wants to do, leaving him totally ineffective as he was last night. Worrying.
> The highlight for me though was our keeper's perfromance last night. Against 
> the Boro bombardment he commanded his area brilliantly and also made a couple 
> of great saves to keep us in it. When you couple that with great distribution 
> it was definitely a man of the match performance for me.
> Another learning game for Bielsa against a team who won't get beaten much 
> this season.
> Scores:
> Peacock - 9. He convinced me last night he is the future for us in goals.
> Ayling - 5. I thought he really struggled last night defensively and coming 
> forward where he never looked convincing.
> Beradi - 7. I thought he was immense first half in the way he man marked 
> Assombolonga on their left first half. Not sure how bad his injury is but it 
> would take a bad one to prevent him from continuing although he did try. 
> Stuggled in the air but that's not surprising.
> Cooper - 6. Same old Cooper. 90% decent and 10% reckless. Neither him or 
> Beradi won much in the air but Cooper's tackling or should I say fouling 
> nearly cost us in terms of the free kicks they got and also I think they had 
> claims for

Re: [LU] Boro

[{broken-address}]

I was disappointed at the way we so frequently opted for the long ball option 
out of defence. Not only did that seem to me very un-Bielsa like, but it made 
no sense against a team with such a height advantage (was I imagining it, or 
was half of their team taller than our tallest outfield player?). 


That being said, a draw suited us better - they needed to win to overtake us at 
the top. We kept a clean sheet against a side of bullies and retained our 
unbeaten record. That's good enough for me.


Cheers!


Sean



-Original Message-
From: {broken-address} Richard Walker 

To: Leeds List 
Sent: Sat, Sep 1, 2018 3:15 am
Subject: [LU] Boro

Lots of comments on the bus back into town after the game the Pulis is 
'anti-football' and he is 'destroying the game' with his turgid style which 
sets his teams up not to lose first and foremost with the hope they can nick a 
goal from a long throwing, corner or a set piece. Boro also blatantly time 
wasted from the off which is horrible to watch but you have to say that I never 
thought we would win this game. It's a shame that Boro play like this because 
they do have good players in the team (Clayton, Howson, Downing) and we saw 
glimpses of them in the first half, especially when Howson danced around KIich, 
left him for dead and made Peacock make a good save. Can we buy him back 
please? I've always been a big fan.As soon as the teams came out I said they 
looked like a big team whereas we had no height. Bielsa dropped Jansson to 
bring back Cooper and so we lost our best defender from set pieces (and long 
throws). Also we played Roofe, on his own up front, against some 6ft plus 
horribl
 e, cheating, ugly bastards (Ayala). He was never going to get a sniff and when 
you consider we lost Hernandes and Saiz was having another off day it was 
always going to be tough for us. I don't think their keeper had to make a 
decent save all night. Having said that we battled hard and deserved a point 
but I think it was more down to poor Boro play than anything. I don't think we 
won many headers in our box and they had chance after chance from free headers 
in the first half that they either sailed over or on one occassion from another 
long throw Peacock excellently saved. We tried to play the way we have done so 
far and at times we did manage to create space and openings it's just there was 
no end product or Boro just snuffed the attack out. When we did get space, it 
usually fell to Allioski who more than often was off-side. He really is a 
brainless footballer at times. Look along the line you numbskull. I was 
watching him making his runs in the first half and he was always at leas
 t a yard off side. Frustrating. So lots of possession but very little end 
product. Is Saiz injured ? because he doesn't look the same player as he did 
for the opening games. He didn't have the pace or the acceleration to get the 
ball and go on those runs where he always seems to be a yard ahead of the 
opposition. He seems to be stuggling and doesn't have the legs to do what he 
wants to do, leaving him totally ineffective as he was last night. Worrying. 
The highlight for me though was our keeper's perfromance last night. Against 
the Boro bombardment he commanded his area brilliantly and also made a couple 
of great saves to keep us in it. When you couple that with great distribution 
it was definitely a man of the match performance for me. Another learning game 
for Bielsa against a team who won't get beaten much this season.Scores:Peacock 
- 9. He convinced me last night he is the future for us in goals. Ayling - 5. I 
thought he really struggled last night defensively and coming forward
  where he never looked convincing. Beradi - 7. I thought he was immense first 
half in the way he man marked Assombolonga on their left first half. Not sure 
how bad his injury is but it would take a bad one to prevent him from 
continuing although he did try. Stuggled in the air but that's not surprising. 
Cooper - 6. Same old Cooper. 90% decent and 10% reckless. Neither him or Beradi 
won much in the air but Cooper's tackling or should I say fouling nearly cost 
us in terms of the free kicks they got and also I think they had claims for a 
pen.Douglas - 6. Did ok but totally ineffective going forward which was 
probably more down to Boro. Yet to see why he is given all free-kicks. Siaz - 
5. Saw a lot of the ball and tried first half to make things happen but truth 
is that the Boro midfield were just too lively for him. He hasn't got the legs. 
Klich - 5. On the ball, he played some nice stuff but again off the ball I 
think he struggled. Allioski - 2. Brain dead. Also don't like his constan
 t whinging, play acting, fouling  I thought Bielsa might change this but 
he hasn't. I'd get rid today. Harrison - 7. I thought he had a quiet first half 
however he came alive second and I thought he looked our most dangerous player. 
He also worked hard in defence but was obviously out

Re: [LU] Boro

[{broken-address} Richard Walker]

Missed Philips. 
I'd give him 6.5 - worked hard and put in a typical Philips performance. Some 
decent distribution, some poor distribution. Some great tackling and some poor 
tackling / fouling. 

   On Saturday, 1 September 2018, 08:15:33 BST, {broken-address} Richard Walker 
 wrote:  
 
 
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[LU] Boro

[{broken-address} Richard Walker]

Lots of comments on the bus back into town after the game the Pulis is 
'anti-football' and he is 'destroying the game' with his turgid style which 
sets his teams up not to lose first and foremost with the hope they can nick a 
goal from a long throwing, corner or a set piece. Boro also blatantly time 
wasted from the off which is horrible to watch but you have to say that I never 
thought we would win this game. It's a shame that Boro play like this because 
they do have good players in the team (Clayton, Howson, Downing) and we saw 
glimpses of them in the first half, especially when Howson danced around KIich, 
left him for dead and made Peacock make a good save. Can we buy him back 
please? I've always been a big fan.
As soon as the teams came out I said they looked like a big team whereas we had 
no height. Bielsa dropped Jansson to bring back Cooper and so we lost our best 
defender from set pieces (and long throws). Also we played Roofe, on his own up 
front, against some 6ft plus horrible, cheating, ugly bastards (Ayala). He was 
never going to get a sniff and when you consider we lost Hernandes and Saiz was 
having another off day it was always going to be tough for us. I don't think 
their keeper had to make a decent save all night. 
Having said that we battled hard and deserved a point but I think it was more 
down to poor Boro play than anything. I don't think we won many headers in our 
box and they had chance after chance from free headers in the first half that 
they either sailed over or on one occassion from another long throw Peacock 
excellently saved. 
We tried to play the way we have done so far and at times we did manage to 
create space and openings it's just there was no end product or Boro just 
snuffed the attack out. When we did get space, it usually fell to Allioski who 
more than often was off-side. He really is a brainless footballer at times. 
Look along the line you numbskull. I was watching him making his runs in the 
first half and he was always at least a yard off side. Frustrating. So lots of 
possession but very little end product. 
Is Saiz injured ? because he doesn't look the same player as he did for the 
opening games. He didn't have the pace or the acceleration to get the ball and 
go on those runs where he always seems to be a yard ahead of the opposition. He 
seems to be stuggling and doesn't have the legs to do what he wants to do, 
leaving him totally ineffective as he was last night. Worrying. 
The highlight for me though was our keeper's perfromance last night. Against 
the Boro bombardment he commanded his area brilliantly and also made a couple 
of great saves to keep us in it. When you couple that with great distribution 
it was definitely a man of the match performance for me. 
Another learning game for Bielsa against a team who won't get beaten much this 
season.
Scores:
Peacock - 9. He convinced me last night he is the future for us in goals. 
Ayling - 5. I thought he really struggled last night defensively and coming 
forward where he never looked convincing. 
Beradi - 7. I thought he was immense first half in the way he man marked 
Assombolonga on their left first half. Not sure how bad his injury is but it 
would take a bad one to prevent him from continuing although he did try. 
Stuggled in the air but that's not surprising. 
Cooper - 6. Same old Cooper. 90% decent and 10% reckless. Neither him or Beradi 
won much in the air but Cooper's tackling or should I say fouling nearly cost 
us in terms of the free kicks they got and also I think they had claims for a 
pen.
Douglas - 6. Did ok but totally ineffective going forward which was probably 
more down to Boro. Yet to see why he is given all free-kicks. 
Siaz - 5. Saw a lot of the ball and tried first half to make things happen but 
truth is that the Boro midfield were just too lively for him. He hasn't got the 
legs. 
Klich - 5. On the ball, he played some nice stuff but again off the ball I 
think he struggled. 
Allioski - 2. Brain dead. Also don't like his constant whinging, play acting, 
fouling  I thought Bielsa might change this but he hasn't. I'd get rid 
today. 
Harrison - 7. I thought he had a quiet first half however he came alive second 
and I thought he looked our most dangerous player. He also worked hard in 
defence but was obviously out on his feet later on. I think he will get better 
and I'd like to see him play in Allioski's role.
Roofe - 6. He's clearly a better and fitter player than last season. He is also 
stronger and is winning 50:50s that he would never have done last season. His 
effort and work rate is high and he's busy all the time. Having said that, as a 
striker I thought he was totally ineffective in the lone role last night. This 
is mainly down to Boro not allowing our full backs to play as extra wingers 
which meant he had no service. For me I would have started with Bamford tonight 
but at very least put Bamford on for the last 30 minutes. Why put him on with 

Re: [LU] Izzy

[{broken-address} Richard Walker]

Ridiculous signing someone on loan who is f'cking injured. 
   On Thursday, 30 August 2018, 16:06:44 BST, nat...@sky.com  
wrote:  
 
 Tha'ts the fella - a few Leeds on twitter showing themselves up -not wanting 
him just cos he played for Huddersfield / gave Leeds fans stick 
He has been injured for a long while and not fit to play till October (or may 
be even later to get up to MBs fitness standards)
Hudds fans seemed gutted when his loan ended and they did not buy him (bit like 
us with Bartley)
Like anyone else we sign I will give them a chance -watch them play a few times 
and then decide how good they are
Dave
      From: Graham Farr 
 To: "Leeds List (leedslist@gn.apc.org)"  
 Sent: Thursday, 30 August 2018, 15:35
 Subject: [LU] Izzy
  
Hudds 2 Leeds 1

The Monk / Wagner spat match.

Sure he came on as sub and scored their first goal..fuzzy haired Chelsea 
loanee at the time.

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Re: [LU] Kids

[{broken-address} James A. Lundon @ Yahoo!]

List,
Oldest girl is 22.  Graduated college this year.  working in Dublin.
Other girl is nearly 19.  Did Leaving Cert and starts medicine here in Galway 
next week.
Neither girl has the remotest interest in Leeds United, much to my continuing 
chagrin.  If I offered then a trip over to Leeds, they would probably both jump 
at it though.
James (on this list since July 1993 but have still to put together a full-ish 
list archive - perhaps when I retire).
P.S. Luimneach Abú.
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Re: [LU] MB after 5 league games

[{broken-address}]

I think there are a couple of factors:


1. He used every minute of pre-season to his advantage to get his points 
across: Three training sessions a day, plus lots of off-the-pitch work. Notice 
how his preferred starting XI, with the exception of Douglas, consists of 
players who were with him from day one. No way was a top-class (for the 
Championship) international defender like Jansson going to waltz straight back 
into the team after arriving later than the others.


2. He has the team supremely fit. I read an article that said Bielsa and his 
coaching staff aim to have the players' body fat percentage no higher than 11, 
which is considered the Premier League standard. Hence, no matter the score, 
it's Leeds that have been on the front foot in the last 20 minutes of first 
five Championship games.


Cheers!


Sean


-Original Message-
From: Alec McQueen 
To: Leeds leedslist 
Sent: Sun, Aug 26, 2018 5:07 am
Subject: [LU] MB after 5 league games

So how exactly has MB transformed a very average Championship team/squad into 
what is arguably the best team play we have seen since we were relegated from 
the premier league (and maybe some time before that!)So what, exactly, has he 
done to create this transformation? Having watched a couple of games in full, 
it seems to me that he has trained and told the players to do 2 things (quite 
simply): 1. When you don’t have the ball, press fast and keep hassling til you 
get the ball back. 2. When you get the ball, pass it very quickly and then move 
into a supporting space to receive it. Now both of these things sound really 
simple: it was what I was told to do when I was being coached as a lad. But it 
ain’t as easy as they are making it look. So, how is it that they can now do 
it, when they couldn’t last season (and the 10 seasons prior to that)? 
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Re: [LU] Norwich

[{broken-address} Richard Walker]

The thing that I liked the most about today was Siaz for me was again off the 
pace but we still looked dangerous every time we attacked and that wouldn’t 
have happened last season.
Also Bamford start against Boro for me. Roofe busy but ineffective.



> On 25 Aug 2018, at 17:45, "nat...@sky.com"  wrote:
> 
> What a great result (again) makes the game v Boro on Friday a real 
> mouthwatering prospect - both unbeaten and joint top of the leagueWatching on 
> a live feed it looked as if the pink dressing room had worked as we started 
> very poorly and hardly got a touch in the first five minutes or so. We 
> survived without too many scares and gradually got a foothold in the game, a 
> game which was decided in 5 minutes really with two good goals from our point 
> of view (not sure how happy the keeper will be)
> A decent header by Alioski was saved but the keeper parried straight to 
> Klitch who continued his great goal scoring form by slotting home with style, 
> then a great ball from Roofe found Alioski out wide in the box and he fired 
> at goal beating the keeper at his near postWe made sure of the three points 
> when Pablo stepped inside a defender and curled one into the corner
> We did not really hit the heights but we kept them at bay - Pontus looking 
> good and BPF collecting the ball from corners on a few occasions  like a real 
> keeper (ie not Felix)
> We continued to work our whatsits off - even at 3 nil and in the last minutes 
> we were chasing down their keeper and defender and hunting in packs, and 
> right at the end a couple of our defenders really put their bodies on the 
> line, throwing themselves to the ground to block the ball - 100% commitment 
> and belief (and that is -almost- all we ask for)
> MB as usual sat on his bucket or haunches totally impassive got very animated 
> in the last ten minutes prowling the technical area and waving and shouting - 
> making sure the players continued to complete Plan A and not revert to type 
> by defending or wasting time - both his subs were like for like - Bamford for 
> Roofe and then Harrison out wide for Pablo (who took a knock) - no sending on 
> an extra defender (Shaunessey) or  a defensive midfielder - no settling for 3 
> 0 - we were going for a fourth. I am sure some game in the future, I and 
> others, will criticise him for this as we throw away a 2 or 3 goal lead BUT 
> it is how he wants us to play and that is good enough for me
> So another 3 pts in the bag, and some more brilliant pass and move , one 
> touch football - great to watch at times and with one or two exceptions 
> looking solid at the back with Pontus dominant in the air
> Looking forward to watching the fringe players on Tuesday (I was away for 
> Bolton game) and then a return to normal and a massive game on Friday night 
> in front of another full house
> Dave
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[LU] Norwich

[{broken-address} Richard Walker]

Watching on YouTube - to be honest we were poor first 20 mins with big gaps in 
midfield - Philips absent again but we’ve taken control and 2 great goals.

I
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Re: [LU] Bielsa

[{broken-address} Nicholas Armit]

Two words...Millwall Away.   On Friday, August 24, 2018, 6:30:08 AM EDT, 
nat...@sky.com  wrote:  
 
 I remember posting a while back questioning how MB will cope if and when other 
teams suss us out - I suggested that he would have a Plan B, C and even D - 
from his presser yesterday this clearly is not the case
He has one Plan - Plan A and if that is not working he will tinker with 
personnel etc until it does - he will not be changing the way we play.
Not sure I 100% agree with this Crespo story - I (as a parent and cub leader) 
see nothing wrong with telling a youngster something that is not true if it 
helps them in their development etc - surely part of being a manager is knowing 
when to 'big someone up and when to pull them down a peg or two' - instilling 
belief is not a bad thing even if you have to lie / exaggerate a bit)

I do get the meaning behind the story - a manager cannot tell a team how to 
play and tell them this is the best way and then change it when the game is 
going against them -but I am  not sure he is correct, surely there is an 
argument for 'horses for courses' and on occasion adapting your method to cope 
with the opposition ?

I do  have faith in MB and to be honest the early games have been great to 
watch , even Swansea when we never really hit the heights was excellent at 
times but I worry what will happen  if we cannot impose our style on other 
teams .
Various things went wrong last season - having a rubbish keeper and the defence 
losing confidence in him, injury to ayling, Saiz being banned, not having a 
reliable goal scorer etc BUT one of the main things was being 'found out'/ 
being bullied by the likes of Millwall and Cardiff - will this side be able to 
stand up to teams like that ? Coming from behind twice at Swansea is a good 
start but it is very early days
Anyway lets hope we can continue our early season form - Norwich away and 
Middlesboro at home are both difficult games (not that many look easy on paper 
in this Division) - so 4 or 6 points would be amazing.
I expected us to have 4* or 5 points rather than the 10 we have so it has been 
a great start  (fancied a point v Stoke with it being first game at home v a 
relegated team, 0pts at Derby, 3 at home to Rotherham, and 0 or maybe 1 v 
Swansea)
Dave
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Re: [LU] Bielsa

[{broken-address}]

One of my concerns remains the small physical size of our players. Looking at 
the stats from the Swansea game, the only number in which Swansea enjoyed a 
significant advantage over us was in aerial duels won. 


Sean



-Original Message-
From: nattan 
To: Leeds List 
Sent: Fri, Aug 24, 2018 6:30 am
Subject: [LU] Bielsa

I remember posting a while back questioning how MB will cope if and when other 
teams suss us out - I suggested that he would have a Plan B, C and even D - 
from his presser yesterday this clearly is not the caseHe has one Plan - Plan A 
and if that is not working he will tinker with personnel etc until it does - he 
will not be changing the way we play.Not sure I 100% agree with this Crespo 
story - I (as a parent and cub leader) see nothing wrong with telling a 
youngster something that is not true if it helps them in their development etc 
- surely part of being a manager is knowing when to 'big someone up and when to 
pull them down a peg or two' - instilling belief is not a bad thing even if you 
have to lie / exaggerate a bit)I do get the meaning behind the story - a 
manager cannot tell a team how to play and tell them this is the best way and 
then change it when the game is going against them -but I am  not sure he is 
correct, surely there is an argument for 'horses for courses' and on
  occasion adapting your method to cope with the opposition ?I do  have faith 
in MB and to be honest the early games have been great to watch , even Swansea 
when we never really hit the heights was excellent at times but I worry what 
will happen  if we cannot impose our style on other teams .Various things went 
wrong last season - having a rubbish keeper and the defence losing confidence 
in him, injury to ayling, Saiz being banned, not having a reliable goal scorer 
etc BUT one of the main things was being 'found out'/ being bullied by the 
likes of Millwall and Cardiff - will this side be able to stand up to teams 
like that ? Coming from behind twice at Swansea is a good start but it is very 
early daysAnyway lets hope we can continue our early season form - Norwich away 
and Middlesboro at home are both difficult games (not that many look easy on 
paper in this Division) - so 4 or 6 points would be amazing.I expected us to 
have 4* or 5 points rather than the 10 we have so it has been a 
 great start  (fancied a point v Stoke with it being first game at home v a 
relegated team, 0pts at Derby, 3 at home to Rotherham, and 0 or maybe 1 v 
Swansea)Dave___Leedslist mailing 
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[LU] Up Limerick ;-).

[{broken-address} James A. Lundon @ Yahoo!]

Limerick Hurling has reached the promised land after 45 years; why can't Leeds 
United...
James.
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Re: [LU] Kids

[{broken-address} Nicholas Armit]

Seems like I may be one of the few where my son is completely into Leeds United 
despite being American and I am from London so not even from Leeds. It is a 
great bonding experience for us I must say win or lose. 
Nick
   On Thursday, August 23, 2018, 10:06:24 AM EDT, {broken-address} 
 wrote:  
 
 Mine are like that too Declan, but in many ways I’m glad they’re not 
interested - saves a lot of money and heartache! Took Danny to a game a couple 
of years back and he said the best thing about it was the chips DRB bought for 
him at half-time. Mind you, it was a poor 2-0 win over Yeovil! He’s no 
intention of repeating the experience, whether chips are on offer or not. They 
do laugh (openly the little bastards!) at my leaping around, cursing etc when I 
watch on tv. We watched the Swansea game here in Benalmadena and the 2 girls 
went shopping whilst Danny played on his iPad. Dave Walmsley’s thesis on the 
Death of Football had its accuracies :-(

Sent from my iPad

> On 23 Aug 2018, at 10:23, Declan McMahon  wrote:
> 
> I have on the list in it's various guises since the beginning, i think, in
> '93 or so.  Still have the original list shirt and it still fits.
> 
> Have 2 kids, one is 20, the other 15, neither have any interest in football
> other than annoying me when Leeds loose.
> 
> Declan
> 
>> On Thu, 23 Aug. 2018, 5:48 pm Shane Larkin,  wrote:
>> 
>> No idea when I joined but it was in the 90s - daughter now 20 - no real
>> interest in Leeds but always smart enough to ask how they did each week
>> 
>> 1st abiding memory of this list was meeting a fellow member by chance
>> (Martyn Stead) at some conference we both attended in Boston and us ending
>> up in an Applebys watching a Leeds game (has to have been a European cup
>> game under O’Leary )
>> 
>> Fun times
>> 
>> Shane
>> 
>>> On Thu 23 Aug 2018 at 01:26, Neil Hackett  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Joined around 1999.
>>> 
>>> Now have a 12 year old boy. I tried him at football but he prefers rugby,
>>> and is a solid scrum half. No real interest in Leeds.
>>> 
>>> And an 11 year old girl. A good centre mid but she much prefers, and does
>>> better at (ice hockey).
>>> My God we are all old.
>>> 
>>> Just to aggravate you all...
>>> 
>>> I watched the second half of the Swansea game and thought we did well. We
>>> forced them into countless turnovers. That is how you score against an
>>> organized team.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 22, 2018, at 9:40 AM, Øystein Bjøndal Lund >> 
>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Is it really that long time ago?
>>>> 
>>>> Put in other words; am I really that old?
>>>> 
>>>> Unfortunately, yes. It also means we have been out of the top flight
>> for
>>> a man-age or something …
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I joined the list “a few days” (it must have been) after the t-shirt…
>> at
>>> the time of vax.ox something. My company had the email system on a
>>> mainframe the time as well, and how I found the list I have no idea.
>>>> 
>>>> Some of the highlights include walking around studying the Yorkshire
>>> house architecture with Betty, on our way to a Leeds ladies game, mind.
>> We
>>> eventually got there, as well, to see some of it.
>>>> 
>>>> And there were this ascii map (look it up!) to go from Derby train
>>> station to my first ever list meet at Brunswick (how come I still
>> remember
>>> these things, my oldest son was transported in a buggy - was seated on my
>>> lap - and at Elland Road some days later he was not allowed to the lap,
>> or
>>> at lest had to buy a seat for him, that he could not use, was too
>> little…)
>>>> 
>>>> There are a plenty full of more highlights, and even more memories…
>>>> 
>>>> This son, Torleif, came on a tour with me to see us vs Luton together
>>> with 27 136 others, March 2007, he was then 11… Meaning we were already
>> on
>>> our way down at the time. Also meaning he is now 22, and couldn’t care
>> less
>>> about football nor Leeds United. He is only member of the LUSC of
>>> Scandinavia because I pay, and did in all these years…
>>>> 
>>>> His 3 years younger brother, is also still a LUSCOS member for the same
>>> reason, but he even never wanted to come over with me to attend a game
>> (!)…
>>>> 
>>>

Re: [LU] Kids

[{broken-address} Forsake ends]

None when I started on the list. Now two - James who was the only Leeds fan in 
his school in north London and still supports them and Edmund who is supporting 
them from a distance in Belfast. What a long strange trip it’s been

Sent from my iPhone

> On 22 Aug 2018, at 07:46, Paul Cundell  wrote:
> 
> Well, Thomas is 25 this year. You may recall he met Reidy and got a nice
> email from the Prof.
> He had a season ticket last season but moved to Germany in the spring. He's
> lead Android coder for a start-up Football Scores app in Dusseldorf.
> MOT
> Paul
> 
> 
> On Wed, 22 Aug 2018, 02:19 Richard Naef, 
> wrote:
> 
>> My 2 are 22 & 25, neither follow football, but always keep an eye out for
>> Leeds results and been to a few games.  They know to avoid me if we loose.
>> 
>> Their Mum and my first love, died 10 years ago, but happily met someone
>> else and actually got married last week in Las Vegas, life (and football)
>> can be utter shit sometimes, but good times often round the corner.
>> 
>> Can't remember when I joined, must have been 95ish.  List has been ever
>> present, first thing I check when I open up my PC.
>> 
>> Been in the states for 5 weeks on a road trip with my girls and new wife,
>> so watched all 5 games at weird times. By myself now Waiting for a flight
>> to San Fran, where Im renting a bike for a few days a riding around
>> california. Easy Rider? - fuck yeah! (albeit on a Triumph not a Harley, I
>> want to be able to go round corners)
>> 
>> Managed to survive 5 weeks and only got into 1 argument with  Trumpist!
>> Best thing is that I can buy dope from a shop - how very grown up!  Worst
>> thing? Stupid plugs :) and being told I have a great accent FFS, YOU'VE GOT
>> THE ACCENT NOT ME ;)
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my mobile
>> 
>> 
>> From: Leedslist  on behalf of Paul Cadd <
>> paul.c...@gmail.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2018 1:59:51 PM
>> To: John Boocock
>> Cc: leedslist
>> Subject: Re: [LU] Kids
>> 
>> Jordan, my son is 29 now and was a season ticket holder home and away some
>> years ...I also took Jacob now 24 and Rhiannon now 21 on occasions xx.
>> 
>> Now I've nearly got a new wife (as of this coming Saturday), I've got her
>> supporting Leeds, coming to games and checking all the Leeds news sources
>> :)    ALAW 
>> 
>>> On Tue, 21 Aug 2018, 19:25 John Boocock,  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Given the great news about Fin Murray, I was wondering how many of us
>>> have kids. I know in the early days it wasn't many. Aficionados of the
>>> Adolphi will know that I have just the one, Lal (star of the back page
>>> of the Mirror at the San Siro!)
>>> 
>>> Betty
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Re: [LU] Kids

[{broken-address}]

Mine are like that too Declan, but in many ways I’m glad they’re not interested 
- saves a lot of money and heartache! Took Danny to a game a couple of years 
back and he said the best thing about it was the chips DRB bought for him at 
half-time. Mind you, it was a poor 2-0 win over Yeovil! He’s no intention of 
repeating the experience, whether chips are on offer or not. They do laugh 
(openly the little bastards!) at my leaping around, cursing etc when I watch on 
tv. We watched the Swansea game here in Benalmadena and the 2 girls went 
shopping whilst Danny played on his iPad. Dave Walmsley’s thesis on the Death 
of Football had its accuracies :-(

Sent from my iPad

> On 23 Aug 2018, at 10:23, Declan McMahon  wrote:
> 
> I have on the list in it's various guises since the beginning, i think, in
> '93 or so.  Still have the original list shirt and it still fits.
> 
> Have 2 kids, one is 20, the other 15, neither have any interest in football
> other than annoying me when Leeds loose.
> 
> Declan
> 
>> On Thu, 23 Aug. 2018, 5:48 pm Shane Larkin,  wrote:
>> 
>> No idea when I joined but it was in the 90s - daughter now 20 - no real
>> interest in Leeds but always smart enough to ask how they did each week
>> 
>> 1st abiding memory of this list was meeting a fellow member by chance
>> (Martyn Stead) at some conference we both attended in Boston and us ending
>> up in an Applebys watching a Leeds game (has to have been a European cup
>> game under O’Leary )
>> 
>> Fun times
>> 
>> Shane
>> 
>>> On Thu 23 Aug 2018 at 01:26, Neil Hackett  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Joined around 1999.
>>> 
>>> Now have a 12 year old boy. I tried him at football but he prefers rugby,
>>> and is a solid scrum half. No real interest in Leeds.
>>> 
>>> And an 11 year old girl. A good centre mid but she much prefers, and does
>>> better at (ice hockey).
>>> My God we are all old.
>>> 
>>> Just to aggravate you all...
>>> 
>>> I watched the second half of the Swansea game and thought we did well. We
>>> forced them into countless turnovers. That is how you score against an
>>> organized team.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Aug 22, 2018, at 9:40 AM, Øystein Bjøndal Lund >> 
>>> wrote:
 
 
 
 Is it really that long time ago?
 
 Put in other words; am I really that old?
 
 Unfortunately, yes. It also means we have been out of the top flight
>> for
>>> a man-age or something …
 
 
 
 I joined the list “a few days” (it must have been) after the t-shirt…
>> at
>>> the time of vax.ox something. My company had the email system on a
>>> mainframe the time as well, and how I found the list I have no idea.
 
 Some of the highlights include walking around studying the Yorkshire
>>> house architecture with Betty, on our way to a Leeds ladies game, mind.
>> We
>>> eventually got there, as well, to see some of it.
 
 And there were this ascii map (look it up!) to go from Derby train
>>> station to my first ever list meet at Brunswick (how come I still
>> remember
>>> these things, my oldest son was transported in a buggy - was seated on my
>>> lap - and at Elland Road some days later he was not allowed to the lap,
>> or
>>> at lest had to buy a seat for him, that he could not use, was too
>> little…)
 
 There are a plenty full of more highlights, and even more memories…
 
 This son, Torleif, came on a tour with me to see us vs Luton together
>>> with 27 136 others, March 2007, he was then 11… Meaning we were already
>> on
>>> our way down at the time. Also meaning he is now 22, and couldn’t care
>> less
>>> about football nor Leeds United. He is only member of the LUSC of
>>> Scandinavia because I pay, and did in all these years…
 
 His 3 years younger brother, is also still a LUSCOS member for the same
>>> reason, but he even never wanted to come over with me to attend a game
>> (!)…
 
 Neither of them are interested in any footy side, not in any footy
>>> competition, etc. I wonder where did I go wrong? (At least they don’t
>>> support the foe)
 
 I have been over from time to time, but not as frequent as from 1995
>> and
>>> the more or less 10 next years…
 
 Back to Lurk mode
 
 Øystein
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [LU] Swansea from the armchair

[{broken-address}]

For what it’s worth (essentially nowt) I see Roofe doing well against weaker 
teams, but there’s no doubt Bamford is a better footballer. He has a bit more 
class up front than anyone else we have (and he should given he cost £10m ish). 
However Roofe has been a revelation so far, so even confirmed miserablists like 
me will say he owns the shirt at the moment. More problematic is the Saiz been 
man-marked and getting wound up scenario - we need more another creative option 
imho, especially as he’ll inevitably be banned at times.

Finally, isn’t it great to see a player like Shackleton come through? OK the 
odd error, but as things go I think he’s been tremendous. I hope Ryan Edmondson 
is training alongside Bamford - we need da yoof to step up if we’re not going 
to buy players in.

Top of the league seems ok to me though :-) 

Sent from my iPad

> On 22 Aug 2018, at 18:55, {broken-address} Richard Walker 
>  wrote:
> 
> On the face of it no but I’m thinking longer term and Bamford fits the no 9 
> shirt better for me. 
> 
> Roofe has improved and looks fitter however I still don’t think he has the 
> presence to play that lone striker long term. 
> 
> 
>> On 22 Aug 2018, at 17:14, Ian Murray  wrote:
>> 
>> I don't think you can really make a case to drop Roofe at the minute.
>> 
>> I like Bamfird though.
>> 
>> I
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
>> 
>> 
>>  Original message 
>> From: {broken-address} Richard Walker 
>> 
>> Date: 22/08/2018 22:50 (GMT+08:00)
>> To: Joe Skinner 
>> Cc: Leeds List 
>> Subject: Re: [LU] Swansea from the armchair
>> 
>> Bit harsh on Bamford. I thought he looked the part and created the 2nd goal. 
>> I’d start him over Roofe despite his goals.
>> 
>>> On 22 Aug 2018, at 14:36, Joe Skinner  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> How much of us being poor last night (absolutely abysmal at times - as bad 
>>> as the worst last season) is down to the opposition, though? On the flip 
>>> side, when we do well, how much is the other team playing poorly or not 
>>> being able to keep up with (for us) a relatively high tempo?
>>> 
>>> Losing a centre half and height (and not having the guy a lot of people 
>>> thing should be ahead of him, available) is a blow that late before 
>>> kick-off.
>>> 
>>> I've never really liked Phillips. He's an ambler and a pointer.
>>> 
>>> I thought we were a bit crap in patches against Derby but they sat off a 
>>> bit and we pulled 2 back. What do I know?
>>> 
>>> We seemed a bit slow last night and even when we were playing well, a lot 
>>> of aimless balls forward (which is par for the course) - but are these 
>>> balls under Bielsa a bit different?
>>> 
>>> Difficult to tell.
>>> 
>>> Bamford looks well off the pace, which could be a fitness thing but even 
>>> so... £7m?
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of nat...@sky.com
>>> Sent: 22 August 2018 07:35
>>> To: Leeds List 
>>> Subject: Re: [LU] Swansea from the armchair
>>> 
>>> I agree with most of what RW has said - I think that Douglas was very poor, 
>>> Harrison was lacking and Ayling is not a centre back - twice he got us into 
>>> trouble when he went rampaging forward and left us (even) more lightweight 
>>> at the back Comparisons with last season are inevitable and at times we did 
>>> look like the team that fell away and failed so badly then BUT with one 
>>> massive difference - this time we came from behind not once but twice, and 
>>> got a point in a game during which for the most part we were second best.
>>> We did show some glimpses and flashes of the way we have been playing but 
>>> last night was a long way from the style and pizzazz of the other games 
>>> Full marks to MB for his substitutions - when he brought Phillips off I 
>>> argued with my lad who said it was stupid to make a sub so early if he 
>>> wasn't injured, I said I hoped it was indeed tactical and if it was it 
>>> showed both an understanding of the game and a desire to do something about 
>>> it. Phillips was having a shocker and he had already been booked so was on 
>>> a knife edge. I can recall DoL sitting on his hands when we lost 2 0 at 
>>> Sunderland - he had £30m of talent on the bench but sat like a rabbit in 
>>> headlights and did nothing even though we all knew we were going to lose if 
>>> he did not change things. Also I r

Re: [LU] Swansea from the armchair

[{broken-address} Richard Walker]

On the face of it no but I’m thinking longer term and Bamford fits the no 9 
shirt better for me. 

Roofe has improved and looks fitter however I still don’t think he has the 
presence to play that lone striker long term. 


> On 22 Aug 2018, at 17:14, Ian Murray  wrote:
> 
> I don't think you can really make a case to drop Roofe at the minute.
> 
> I like Bamfird though.
> 
> I
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
> 
> 
> ---- Original message 
> From: {broken-address} Richard Walker 
> 
> Date: 22/08/2018 22:50 (GMT+08:00)
> To: Joe Skinner 
> Cc: Leeds List 
> Subject: Re: [LU] Swansea from the armchair
> 
> Bit harsh on Bamford. I thought he looked the part and created the 2nd goal. 
> I’d start him over Roofe despite his goals.
> 
>> On 22 Aug 2018, at 14:36, Joe Skinner  wrote:
>> 
>> How much of us being poor last night (absolutely abysmal at times - as bad 
>> as the worst last season) is down to the opposition, though? On the flip 
>> side, when we do well, how much is the other team playing poorly or not 
>> being able to keep up with (for us) a relatively high tempo?
>> 
>> Losing a centre half and height (and not having the guy a lot of people 
>> thing should be ahead of him, available) is a blow that late before kick-off.
>> 
>> I've never really liked Phillips. He's an ambler and a pointer.
>> 
>> I thought we were a bit crap in patches against Derby but they sat off a bit 
>> and we pulled 2 back. What do I know?
>> 
>> We seemed a bit slow last night and even when we were playing well, a lot of 
>> aimless balls forward (which is par for the course) - but are these balls 
>> under Bielsa a bit different?
>> 
>> Difficult to tell.
>> 
>> Bamford looks well off the pace, which could be a fitness thing but even 
>> so... £7m?
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of nat...@sky.com
>> Sent: 22 August 2018 07:35
>> To: Leeds List 
>> Subject: Re: [LU] Swansea from the armchair
>> 
>> I agree with most of what RW has said - I think that Douglas was very poor, 
>> Harrison was lacking and Ayling is not a centre back - twice he got us into 
>> trouble when he went rampaging forward and left us (even) more lightweight 
>> at the back Comparisons with last season are inevitable and at times we did 
>> look like the team that fell away and failed so badly then BUT with one 
>> massive difference - this time we came from behind not once but twice, and 
>> got a point in a game during which for the most part we were second best.
>> We did show some glimpses and flashes of the way we have been playing but 
>> last night was a long way from the style and pizzazz of the other games Full 
>> marks to MB for his substitutions - when he brought Phillips off I argued 
>> with my lad who said it was stupid to make a sub so early if he wasn't 
>> injured, I said I hoped it was indeed tactical and if it was it showed both 
>> an understanding of the game and a desire to do something about it. Phillips 
>> was having a shocker and he had already been booked so was on a knife edge. 
>> I can recall DoL sitting on his hands when we lost 2 0 at Sunderland - he 
>> had £30m of talent on the bench but sat like a rabbit in headlights and did 
>> nothing even though we all knew we were going to lose if he did not change 
>> things. Also I recall George Graham saying that managers often knew after a 
>> few minutes that they had things wrong but did not want to personnel until 
>> at least half time (preferrably not till 60mins) because to do so early was 
>> an admission that they had picked the wrong team So full marks to MB to 
>> having the nous and ability to know we needed to change and the bottle  
>> /lack of fear to do so. To then make two more changes to try and win the 
>> game is also to be applauded One last point on the game - if Saiz (back to 
>> his moaning worse) was booked for dissent how come McBurnie who argued over 
>> every decision and got right in the lino and ref's faces on two occasions 
>> did not get sent off ? ALthough to be fair he was MOM and a real handful 
>> Anyway top of the league despite having what was reported in the press on 
>> fixture day as the 'hardest start' of anyone in the Division ? I would have 
>> been happy with 4 pts at this stage (draw and win v Stoke and Rotherham and 
>> two defeats) Norwich now takes on an extra importance - was yesterday a 
>> reverting to type for certain players and the team as a whole or is it just 
>>

Re: [LU] Kids

[{broken-address} Nicholas Armit]

Think I joined when I moved to the US in '97 My son born in 2001 and now 
6'3" and entering his "junior" year at high school. Leeds fanatic and we 
managed to catch three games when we visited in the tail-end of Monk's tenure 
(Reading, Brentford and Preston). Thanks to ESPN and LUTV (or people pirating 
LUTV) get to see every game now and my boss lets me leave early to catch 
mid-week games. Hope to get back this year too!
Nick
   On Wednesday, August 22, 2018, 2:44:23 AM EDT, Ted  
wrote:  
 
 Blimey - how most of our lives have changed

I love reading all these updates, some great stories!  (That's life I
suppose!)

Ted H
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Re: [LU] Swansea from the armchair

[{broken-address} Richard Walker]

Bit harsh on Bamford. I thought he looked the part and created the 2nd goal. 
I’d start him over Roofe despite his goals.

> On 22 Aug 2018, at 14:36, Joe Skinner  wrote:
> 
> How much of us being poor last night (absolutely abysmal at times - as bad as 
> the worst last season) is down to the opposition, though? On the flip side, 
> when we do well, how much is the other team playing poorly or not being able 
> to keep up with (for us) a relatively high tempo?
> 
> Losing a centre half and height (and not having the guy a lot of people thing 
> should be ahead of him, available) is a blow that late before kick-off.  
> 
> I've never really liked Phillips. He's an ambler and a pointer.
> 
> I thought we were a bit crap in patches against Derby but they sat off a bit 
> and we pulled 2 back. What do I know? 
> 
> We seemed a bit slow last night and even when we were playing well, a lot of 
> aimless balls forward (which is par for the course) - but are these balls 
> under Bielsa a bit different? 
> 
> Difficult to tell. 
> 
> Bamford looks well off the pace, which could be a fitness thing but even 
> so... £7m? 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of nat...@sky.com
> Sent: 22 August 2018 07:35
> To: Leeds List 
> Subject: Re: [LU] Swansea from the armchair
> 
> I agree with most of what RW has said - I think that Douglas was very poor, 
> Harrison was lacking and Ayling is not a centre back - twice he got us into 
> trouble when he went rampaging forward and left us (even) more lightweight at 
> the back Comparisons with last season are inevitable and at times we did look 
> like the team that fell away and failed so badly then BUT with one massive 
> difference - this time we came from behind not once but twice, and got a 
> point in a game during which for the most part we were second best.
> We did show some glimpses and flashes of the way we have been playing but 
> last night was a long way from the style and pizzazz of the other games Full 
> marks to MB for his substitutions - when he brought Phillips off I argued 
> with my lad who said it was stupid to make a sub so early if he wasn't 
> injured, I said I hoped it was indeed tactical and if it was it showed both 
> an understanding of the game and a desire to do something about it. Phillips 
> was having a shocker and he had already been booked so was on a knife edge. I 
> can recall DoL sitting on his hands when we lost 2 0 at Sunderland - he had 
> £30m of talent on the bench but sat like a rabbit in headlights and did 
> nothing even though we all knew we were going to lose if he did not change 
> things. Also I recall George Graham saying that managers often knew after a 
> few minutes that they had things wrong but did not want to personnel until at 
> least half time (preferrably not till 60mins) because to do so early was an 
> admission that they had picked the wrong team So full marks to MB to having 
> the nous and ability to know we needed to change and the bottle  /lack of 
> fear to do so. To then make two more changes to try and win the game is also 
> to be applauded One last point on the game - if Saiz (back to his moaning 
> worse) was booked for dissent how come McBurnie who argued over every 
> decision and got right in the lino and ref's faces on two occasions did not 
> get sent off ? ALthough to be fair he was MOM and a real handful Anyway top 
> of the league despite having what was reported in the press on fixture day as 
> the 'hardest start' of anyone in the Division ? I would have been happy with 
> 4 pts at this stage (draw and win v Stoke and Rotherham and two defeats) 
> Norwich now takes on an extra importance - was yesterday a reverting to type 
> for certain players and the team as a whole or is it just one (of many) to be 
> expected blips in a long hard season. We need Cooper and /or Janson to be fit 
> sooner rather than later Dave
> 
> 
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Re: [LU] Kids

[{broken-address} Graham White]

Mine are now 22.  I've put a photo of them on the Leeds List facebook page, 
posing with Norman the bear.

I'll try and find the photo of them when they were little and doing football 
training wearing the knock off Leeds kits that Rob Heath sent from Thailand - 
is he still on the list or been kicked off again?!

Graham White

On Wednesday, 22 August 2018, 08:47:00 CEST, Paul Cundell 
 wrote:  
 
 Well, Thomas is 25 this year. You may recall he met Reidy and got a nice
email from the Prof.
He had a season ticket last season but moved to Germany in the spring. He's
lead Android coder for a start-up Football Scores app in Dusseldorf.
MOT
Paul


On Wed, 22 Aug 2018, 02:19 Richard Naef, 
wrote:

> My 2 are 22 & 25, neither follow football, but always keep an eye out for
> Leeds results and been to a few games.  They know to avoid me if we loose.
>
> Their Mum and my first love, died 10 years ago, but happily met someone
> else and actually got married last week in Las Vegas, life (and football)
> can be utter shit sometimes, but good times often round the corner.
>
> Can't remember when I joined, must have been 95ish.  List has been ever
> present, first thing I check when I open up my PC.
>
> Been in the states for 5 weeks on a road trip with my girls and new wife,
> so watched all 5 games at weird times. By myself now Waiting for a flight
> to San Fran, where Im renting a bike for a few days a riding around
> california. Easy Rider? - fuck yeah! (albeit on a Triumph not a Harley, I
> want to be able to go round corners)
>
> Managed to survive 5 weeks and only got into 1 argument with  Trumpist!
> Best thing is that I can buy dope from a shop - how very grown up!  Worst
> thing? Stupid plugs :) and being told I have a great accent FFS, YOU'VE GOT
> THE ACCENT NOT ME ;)
>
>
> Sent from my mobile
>
> 
> From: Leedslist  on behalf of Paul Cadd <
> paul.c...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2018 1:59:51 PM
> To: John Boocock
> Cc: leedslist
> Subject: Re: [LU] Kids
>
> Jordan, my son is 29 now and was a season ticket holder home and away some
> years ...I also took Jacob now 24 and Rhiannon now 21 on occasions xx.
>
> Now I've nearly got a new wife (as of this coming Saturday), I've got her
> supporting Leeds, coming to games and checking all the Leeds news sources
> :)    ALAW 
>
> On Tue, 21 Aug 2018, 19:25 John Boocock,  wrote:
>
> > Given the great news about Fin Murray, I was wondering how many of us
> > have kids. I know in the early days it wasn't many. Aficionados of the
> > Adolphi will know that I have just the one, Lal (star of the back page
> > of the Mirror at the San Siro!)
> >
> > Betty
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Re: [LU] Non LU - New Leeds Fan

[{broken-address} Nicholas Armit]

 different subject...watched the highlights back and the effort from Phillips 
and Saiz for their first goal is disgraceful. No hi intensity effort there and 
total ball watching. Really poor.
On Tuesday, August 21, 2018, 7:42:06 PM EDT, Ian Murray 
 wrote:  
 
 Thanks mate :)



Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.


 Original message 
From: Errand Fivefold 
Date: 22/08/2018 01:28 (GMT+08:00)
To: Ian Murray , Leeds List 
Subject: Re: [LU] Non LU - New Leeds Fan

WOW!
Hello Finn!!

Congratulations to you all.

Great news!

:-)




Verner tHe LiTtLe YeLlOw DaFfOdIl @}-,-'--



From: Ian Murray 
To: Leeds List 
Sent: Tuesday, 21 August 2018, 14:02
Subject: [LU] Non LU - New Leeds Fan

Hey all

Very pleased to announce the fact that on Thursday my wife Nicky gave birth to 
our first son and Leeds fan, Finlay (Finn) James Murray.

Finn and I watched the Rotherham game in hospital together and he was very 
pleased with our performance.

I am sure that he will think that us winning the league is just one of those 
things that happens routinely - which is how I felt in 1992.  I am so 
re-invigorated with Bielsa that I have bought an android box so that I dont 
have to miss any games this season from Perth - if they are not on that then 
they can be streamed on the leeds website.  I have also spent an unreasonable 
amount of cash on LUFC baby tat to dress the lad in.

Anyway, I am just telling everyone I know because I can't smile wide enough 
right now.

MOT

Ian
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Re: [LU] Kids

[{broken-address}]

I hadn’t a care in the world when I joined - in a year I’ll ‘lose’ our eldest 
to univ - oh for the days I’d have a whole team of empty Grolsch bottles in the 
Adelphi!

Sent from my iPad

> On 21 Aug 2018, at 20:35, Ed Morrish  wrote:
> 
> I was eighteen when I joined this list. Now I have an eight-year-old and a
> six-year-old...
> 
>> On Tue, 21 Aug 2018 19:33 Ted,  wrote:
>> 
>> God John, I suddenly feel old my kids were 8 & 6 when I joined the list
>> - now they're both 30+ and I'm a Grandad of 3!
>> 
>> Ted H
>> 
>>> On Tue, 21 Aug 2018, 19:25 John Boocock,  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Given the great news about Fin Murray, I was wondering how many of us
>>> have kids. I know in the early days it wasn't many. Aficionados of the
>>> Adolphi will know that I have just the one, Lal (star of the back page
>>> of the Mirror at the San Siro!)
>>> 
>>> Betty
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Re: [LU] Swansea from the armchair

[{broken-address}]

Pretty much sums up my views, but I’ll add that Harrison does not look like a 
winger to me? I don’t know what he brings tbh. Good result in a game which 
circumstance (Cooper) and our naive defending (2 at the back too often for 
comfort) made quite tricky. I think we can pretty much assume that running 
around alot is not going to be a surprise any more. Saiz - brought back views 
from last season with his whining! Needs to stop! 

Sent from my iPad

> On 21 Aug 2018, at 23:06, {broken-address} Richard Walker 
>  wrote:
> 
> There were so many things wrong with that performance but who cares ? I was 
> impressed by the way we ground out the result after we lost our captain in 
> the warm up. As the game went into the last 20 minutes I thought we looked 
> the fitter and more likely to score. Yes they had the best chance of the game 
> but they were playing on the counter. Our attitude, fitness and positivity 
> were there to see and there was absolutely no doubt that we were getting 
> something from that game. That is a remarkable transformation from last 
> season. 
> Let's look at the positives. 
> Taking Philips off after 25 mins was incredible. Have you ever known a 
> manager do that ? Philips was terrible was getting overrun and was on a 
> yellow. Moving Klitch back and putting on Baker was a great move. I thought 
> Baker made a difference and some of his passing was excellent whereas Kiltch 
> did everything Philips couldn't, winning the ball and starting attacking 
> moves with intelligent balls forward.
> Shackleton was brilliant especially for the first goal and he isn't scared to 
> go forward. 
> Some of the football at times was great pass and move football.
> The Hernandez goal was top class. 
> They had height and without Cooper we had none but we still challenged and 
> made it hard for them. 
> The negatives:
> Kalvin Philips showing that against a team with pace that run at you he will 
> struggle. 
> Siaz for me was the biggest disappointment. He looked a yard short and 
> struggled all night by his high standards and he also got booked for 
> petulance late on. Same old Siaz. 
> Ayling is no centre back . He gave it his all but I thought he looked out of 
> his depth and was all over the place at times. 
> Scores for me:
> Peacock - 7. I thought he could hace saved the first goal but he made up with 
> 2 good saves late on. 
> Shackleton - 8. Was under a lot of pressure when defending but came through 
> well. I love this lad. 
> Douglas - 6. I thought he also struggled a bit tonight 
> Ayling - 5. Not a centre back 
> Beradi - 8. Held us together at times and the way he wins the ball and drives 
> forward typifies our team at the moment. 
> Kiltch - 7. Steady, consistent - everything Philips wasn't. 
> Philips - 1. Awful. 
> Allioski - 3. Don't rate this lad. Just a shame Harrison didn't take his 
> chance. 
> Siaz - 5. Off the pace. 
> Roofe - 7. Got his goal and you can't argue with that. 
> Hernandes - 7. Frustrating at times the way he concedes possession but that 
> goal was unbelievable. 
> Subs:
> Baker - 7. Definite promise with this lad. 
> Bamford - 7. I thought he looked sharper and his run and pass for the 2nd 
> goal was great. He looks like a real striker. 
> Harrison - 4. Disappointing. Made some good runs but no end product. Not 
> writing him off but he needs to do better. 
> Bielsa - all 3 subs on by 60 minutes. that's risky and we've seen that go 
> wrong before but he went for it and it worked. 
> Very happy with us at the moment 
> TOP OF THE LEAGUE and WE'RE GOING UP AS F'CKING CHAMPIONS. 
> 
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[LU] Swansea from the armchair

[{broken-address} Richard Walker]

There were so many things wrong with that performance but who cares ? I was 
impressed by the way we ground out the result after we lost our captain in the 
warm up. As the game went into the last 20 minutes I thought we looked the 
fitter and more likely to score. Yes they had the best chance of the game but 
they were playing on the counter. Our attitude, fitness and positivity were 
there to see and there was absolutely no doubt that we were getting something 
from that game. That is a remarkable transformation from last season. 
Let's look at the positives. 
Taking Philips off after 25 mins was incredible. Have you ever known a manager 
do that ? Philips was terrible was getting overrun and was on a yellow. Moving 
Klitch back and putting on Baker was a great move. I thought Baker made a 
difference and some of his passing was excellent whereas Kiltch did everything 
Philips couldn't, winning the ball and starting attacking moves with 
intelligent balls forward.
Shackleton was brilliant especially for the first goal and he isn't scared to 
go forward. 
Some of the football at times was great pass and move football.
The Hernandez goal was top class. 
They had height and without Cooper we had none but we still challenged and made 
it hard for them. 
The negatives:
Kalvin Philips showing that against a team with pace that run at you he will 
struggle. 
Siaz for me was the biggest disappointment. He looked a yard short and 
struggled all night by his high standards and he also got booked for petulance 
late on. Same old Siaz. 
Ayling is no centre back . He gave it his all but I thought he looked out of 
his depth and was all over the place at times. 
Scores for me:
Peacock - 7. I thought he could hace saved the first goal but he made up with 2 
good saves late on. 
Shackleton - 8. Was under a lot of pressure when defending but came through 
well. I love this lad. 
Douglas - 6. I thought he also struggled a bit tonight 
Ayling - 5. Not a centre back 
Beradi - 8. Held us together at times and the way he wins the ball and drives 
forward typifies our team at the moment. 
Kiltch - 7. Steady, consistent - everything Philips wasn't. 
Philips - 1. Awful. 
Allioski - 3. Don't rate this lad. Just a shame Harrison didn't take his 
chance. 
Siaz - 5. Off the pace. 
Roofe - 7. Got his goal and you can't argue with that. 
Hernandes - 7. Frustrating at times the way he concedes possession but that 
goal was unbelievable. 
Subs:
Baker - 7. Definite promise with this lad. 
Bamford - 7. I thought he looked sharper and his run and pass for the 2nd goal 
was great. He looks like a real striker. 
Harrison - 4. Disappointing. Made some good runs but no end product. Not 
writing him off but he needs to do better. 
Bielsa - all 3 subs on by 60 minutes. that's risky and we've seen that go wrong 
before but he went for it and it worked. 
Very happy with us at the moment 
TOP OF THE LEAGUE and WE'RE GOING UP AS F'CKING CHAMPIONS. 


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Re: [LU] Reality check?

[{broken-address} Richard Walker]

 fair play to us for getting back in to it with a great run and cross from 
Shackleton.
and credit to Bielsa for pulling Phillips off after 20 mins. That's a great 
decision, Philips was awful. 
Allioski is a liability - brainless footballer, always off side. Hopefull he'll 
score now. 
It's just not we've come to expect but in reality it aint been that bad. Just 
average. Our defence looks very lightweight tonght though against a lively 
Swansea team. 
On Tuesday, 21 August 2018, 20:28:55 BST, David Smail 
 wrote:  
 
 Eh, no! Swansea are the better side at this stage. Looks like we just
scored. Even so, Swansea better side.

 

Dave

 

 

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Re: [LU] Reality check?

[{broken-address} Richard Walker]

 this is like watching last season. Philips awful, Ayling centre back ? Kiltch 
passenger. Siaz not bothered.
Got to get better 
On Tuesday, 21 August 2018, 20:00:04 BST, Vijay Bhakta  
wrote:  
 
 I keep getting confused.  It should be a rule that no other team can play
in white against us.

Vijay

On Tue, 21 Aug 2018 at 19:55, David Smail  wrote:

> I think tonight will be our toughest test so far. Everyone happy with an
> away point?
>
>
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [LU] Kids

[{broken-address}]

I was about 30 when I joined the list in the '96-'97 timeframe, and had no 
kids. I'm now 51 and still have no kids, but I did get married for the first 
time this April to an amazing woman.


Cheers!


Sean



-Original Message-
From: Ed Morrish 
To: Ted 
Cc: list leedslist 
Sent: Tue, Aug 21, 2018 2:36 pm
Subject: Re: [LU] Kids

I was eighteen when I joined this list. Now I have an eight-year-old and a
six-year-old...

On Tue, 21 Aug 2018 19:33 Ted,  wrote:

> God John, I suddenly feel old my kids were 8 & 6 when I joined the list
> - now they're both 30+ and I'm a Grandad of 3!
>
> Ted H
>
> On Tue, 21 Aug 2018, 19:25 John Boocock,  wrote:
>
> > Given the great news about Fin Murray, I was wondering how many of us
> > have kids. I know in the early days it wasn't many. Aficionados of the
> > Adolphi will know that I have just the one, Lal (star of the back page
> > of the Mirror at the San Siro!)
> >
> > Betty
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Re: [LU] Rotherham

[{broken-address} Richard Walker]

Yes indeed he did as he tried to close down the game

> On 19 Aug 2018, at 18:25, Nigel Sykes  wrote:
> 
> -Original Message-
> Richard Walker wrote:
> Can't remember anyone else coming on ? 
> 
> Pontus came on (for a midfielder) near the end.
> 
> Nigel
> (the Dublin one)
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[LU] Rotherham

[{broken-address} Richard Walker]

I watched the game in a drunken haze but here's my memory. 
Rotherham are a different team from what we have faced so far, in fact I'd say 
they are a proper championship team. Big lads who get stuck in and then one or 
two players who can break and hurt you. They were well organised in the first 
half and definitely nulled some of our play which was straight from the off as 
we've seen so far. It was interesting to me to see what happens and what fails 
when teams put men behind the ball and try to stop us playing. 
First off, Klitch never had the space and actually contributed very little 
apart from one long range effort. Siaz had less space but as always he made 
space and still contributed massively. Philips didn't have as easy and it was 
difficult at times for him to pick the passes to link up the midfield. On a 
couple of times he found an opposition player which put us immediately under 
pressure. 
Passing out from the back, which has been relatively straight forward so far, 
suddenly was a bit more difficult with Rotherham's tricky front players 
hassling us. One pass across goal landed straight to a Rotherham player and 
only a great save from Peackock prevented us from being one down. I like the 
idea of passing and building from the back but I don't think our central 
defenders are good enough ball players to do it and I think as the weather 
deteriorates with the pitches this will land us in bother. 
So it was harder but we stuck to it and still managed to play some decent stuff 
without troubling their keeper too much. 
Second half, they either tired or we stepped it up because we completely 
dominted and played football similar football to that against Derby and Stoke. 
Siaz should have scored from 5 yards out after a great move before Ayling put 
us in the lead 
Our second goal was simply brilliant. I rememeber Rod Wallace scoring that goal 
against Spurs where he took it on the left side ,beat 3 men and curled it in 
the right hand corner. A great individual goal that won goal of the season, 
well I thought our second yesterday was better. We passed and moved from the 
back to the point where Roof was played down the left. He still had loads to do 
but managed to nip past the defender and from a tight angle placed it the 
inside of the dar right net. A spectacular goal which really for me represented 
the transformation in the team and players that Bielsa has created in such 
little time. It's a remarkable impact that he has had in that every player 
looks confident about the way they are playing and he has transformed Roofe 
into a confident championship striker who is going to make it very frustrating 
for Bamford. 
One other thing I've noticed is that our discipline seems to be improved and 
there's not as much play acting from Allioski and the likes. Maybe that's cos 
things are going well and it remains to see what happens when we are trailing ?
Scores:
Peacock - 9. I thought he was excellent and Derby hopefully was a blip. He 
looked confident and he's alonso intelligent when kicking and passing out from 
the back.
Ayling - 8. First goal 
Cooper - 7. I think it was his back pass across goal that should have gifted 
them a goal. 
Beradi - 7. A decent shot and full blooded defending as usual 
Douglas - 7. Another decent performance getting forward as often as he could. 
He was up against their best player who hit the post and was quicker than him.
Philips - 6. A bit of the old Philips in the first game but still effective in 
that role. 
Siaz - 8. Not as much space but still behind our best play. 
Hernandes - 7. Busy
Kiltch - 6. Quiter and he's always the one that fades first. One decent shot 
first half. 
Allioski - 6. Some good crosses and ran around a bit. I'm not really a fan 
though and I would like to see Harrison get a go on the left. 
Roofe - 8. Only has 2 moments in the match, one was the brilliant goal and the 
other where he showed quick feet in the first half to create a chance which 
flew wide. He's definitely fitter and a yard sharper and the extra confidence 
is clear to see. Was I and others wrong when we said he wasn't ready for this 
level and couldn't play as a lone striker ? Maybe we were ? and long may it 
continue because I'm enjoying watching him now. 
Subs:
Baker - he put a 30 yarder in the top corner which the keeper would have never 
stopped. Unfortunately the ref had just blown for full time. 
Bamford - did he touch the ball
Can't remember anyone else coming on ? 
4 wins out of 4 and that's a first for an manager in our history apparently. 
Good record. 
 
 




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Re: [LU] Bolton - a few thoughts

[{broken-address} Nicholas Armit]

 Wasn't that guy from Swansea the highest in Europe (Britton?)
On Wednesday, August 15, 2018, 4:41:08 PM EDT, Ed Morrish 
 wrote:  
 
 Isn't Batty one of the most accurate passers of the ball in Premier
League history?

Ed.
On Wed, 15 Aug 2018 at 20:52, Jim Moran  wrote:
>
> Can’t read into stats in isolation. If every pass goes backwards and meets
> the man but results in nothing… literally pointless.
>
> On Wed, 15 Aug 2018 at 20:38, Mark  wrote:
>
> > I think Jaap Stam’s Reading were the highest ever pass completion.
> > Cheers
> > Mark
> > El Presidente Wisconsin Whites
> > Leeds United
> > Chicago Fire
> > 
> > From: Leedslist  on behalf of Nigel Sykes <
> > ni...@sykesonline.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 2:32:39 PM
> > To: 'Leeds List'
> > Subject: Re: [LU] Bolton - a few thoughts
> >
> > You can’t base everything on stats, but for what it’s worth our stats show
> > that our pass accuracy over the past several years is pretty stable at
> > around 74%.  Our average in the first two games was 73.6%, so basically the
> > same.  No stats for last night, but I suspect it would be slightly less, if
> > anything.
> >
> > For comparison, the better Premier League teams generally run well into
> > the 80’s.  I suspect that Bielsa will want us to at least improve on
> > previous seasons.
> >
> > Nigel
> > (the Dublin one)
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Nicholas Armit [mailto:arm...@yahoo.com]
> > Sent: 15 August 2018 17:38
> > To: 'Leeds List'; Nigel Sykes
> > Subject: Re: [LU] Bolton - a few thoughts
> >
> >
> >
> > Didn't see yesterday's game much but from the first two games I thought
> > our passing has been excellent. Way ahead of previous years.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wednesday, August 15, 2018, 5:49:21 AM EDT, Nigel Sykes <
> > ni...@sykesonline.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yep - pretty much totally agree.
> >
> > I thought we looked fairly good in the first half, though without quite as
> > much 'zip' as in the previous 2 games. In the 2nd half though, the 'zip'
> > had gone and I commented that it was much more like watching us last
> > season.  It was a pretty even 2nd half and could have easily ended in
> > penalties.
> >
> > Apart from the lower energy of the B-team, the biggest problem this season
> > is passing.  We got away with the passes to the opposition in the first two
> > games because we hustled so much to get the ball back.  But last night the
> > passing was even worse and the hustle wasn't enough to balance it out.
> >
> > Nigel
> > (the Dublin one)
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Leedslist [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of
> > {broken-address} Richard Walker
> > Sent: 15 August 2018 09:30
> > To: Leeds List
> > Subject: [LU] Bolton - a few thoughts
> >
> > Interesting game. We made 8 changes so big chance for the B-team. We
> > started like we have done in all the games and for 35 minutes I thought we
> > looked good with Pearce and Shackleton doing well as wing backs.
> > But then I thought we ran out of steam and maybe that's the difference in
> > fitness levels and skills between the B-Team and the first 11 ? I thought
> > we returned to some of the aimless square and backward balls at the back
> > that we have seen under previous managers. The gap between defence and
> > midfield got wider and as a result we became less effective. Bolton then
> > began to cause a threat and in the end they could have got a result and you
> > have to remember they made 9 changes too !
> > So in the end I was happy with the result but it made me think that maybe
> > some of our squad players are not going to be able to support a promotion
> > push this season.
> > Blackman - 7. one bad spill which should have been a goal for them.
> > Shackleton - 7. I like the look of this lad. Ok, he lost possession a few
> > times and looked at times like he was struggling but you can see he's got
> > quality.
> > Pearce - 6. He's a bit more pedestrian than Shackleton and definitely
> > second choice to Douglas this season. Did well coming forward at times.
> > Jansson - 7. Looked a tad rusy, few dodgy balls but second half showed his
> > strength and experience in a few one to ones. Certainly didn't do enough
> > though to convince the manager he should be playing instead of Cooper and
> > Beradi and I never thought I would say that.
> > Ayling - 8. The e

Re: [LU] Bolton - a few thoughts

[{broken-address} Nicholas Armit]

 Then maybe just the type of passing has been more dangerous? Seems a lot less 
sideways and backwards and more offensive. Also the passing seems quicker and 
crisper, moving the ball faster (which to me would probably be harder to do so 
if they are as accurate that would be an improvement). Or maybe it has all gone 
to my head!
Nick
On Wednesday, August 15, 2018, 3:33:21 PM EDT, Nigel Sykes 
 wrote:  
 
 You can’t base everything on stats, but for what it’s worth our stats show 
that our pass accuracy over the past several years is pretty stable at around 
74%.  Our average in the first two games was 73.6%, so basically the same.  No 
stats for last night, but I suspect it would be slightly less, if anything.

For comparison, the better Premier League teams generally run well into the 
80’s.  I suspect that Bielsa will want us to at least improve on previous 
seasons.

Nigel
(the Dublin one)

 

From: Nicholas Armit [mailto:arm...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: 15 August 2018 17:38
To: 'Leeds List'; Nigel Sykes
Subject: Re: [LU] Bolton - a few thoughts

 

Didn't see yesterday's game much but from the first two games I thought our 
passing has been excellent. Way ahead of previous years.

 

On Wednesday, August 15, 2018, 5:49:21 AM EDT, Nigel Sykes 
 wrote: 

 

 

Yep - pretty much totally agree.

I thought we looked fairly good in the first half, though without quite as much 
'zip' as in the previous 2 games. In the 2nd half though, the 'zip' had gone 
and I commented that it was much more like watching us last season.  It was a 
pretty even 2nd half and could have easily ended in penalties.

Apart from the lower energy of the B-team, the biggest problem this season is 
passing.  We got away with the passes to the opposition in the first two games 
because we hustled so much to get the ball back.  But last night the passing 
was even worse and the hustle wasn't enough to balance it out.

Nigel
(the Dublin one)

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of 
{broken-address} Richard Walker
Sent: 15 August 2018 09:30
To: Leeds List
Subject: [LU] Bolton - a few thoughts

Interesting game. We made 8 changes so big chance for the B-team. We started 
like we have done in all the games and for 35 minutes I thought we looked good 
with Pearce and Shackleton doing well as wing backs. 
But then I thought we ran out of steam and maybe that's the difference in 
fitness levels and skills between the B-Team and the first 11 ? I thought we 
returned to some of the aimless square and backward balls at the back that we 
have seen under previous managers. The gap between defence and midfield got 
wider and as a result we became less effective. Bolton then began to cause a 
threat and in the end they could have got a result and you have to remember 
they made 9 changes too ! 
So in the end I was happy with the result but it made me think that maybe some 
of our squad players are not going to be able to support a promotion push this 
season. 
Blackman - 7. one bad spill which should have been a goal for them. 
Shackleton - 7. I like the look of this lad. Ok, he lost possession a few times 
and looked at times like he was struggling but you can see he's got quality. 
Pearce - 6. He's a bit more pedestrian than Shackleton and definitely second 
choice to Douglas this season. Did well coming forward at times. 
Jansson - 7. Looked a tad rusy, few dodgy balls but second half showed his 
strength and experience in a few one to ones. Certainly didn't do enough though 
to convince the manager he should be playing instead of Cooper and Beradi and I 
never thought I would say that. 
Ayling - 8. The ever dependable Ayling. 
Phillips - 8. To be fair, he looked the most comfortable and effective in his 
role which is suiting him down to the ground. 
Saiz - 8. I thought he was playing at 75% but still looked a class above and 
scored a great goal. 
Harrison - 7. Tricky little player and he covered some ground. I think he'll be 
pushing Allioski for that left sided position soon. 
Baker - 6. I thought he was a weak link. One or two good forward runs but not 
as solid as Kiltch. 
Bamford - 6. Scored a good goal and looks like he's got a nice left foot but he 
should have had a hat-trick. Bit of a dilemma here because I think he needs 
games but it looks like he'll be stuck on the bench for a while. 
3 games, 3 wins so all good but I think there's a few concerns. 







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Re: [LU] Bolton - a few thoughts

[{broken-address} Nicholas Armit]

 Didn't see yesterday's game much but from the first two games I thought our 
passing has been excellent. Way ahead of previous years.
On Wednesday, August 15, 2018, 5:49:21 AM EDT, Nigel Sykes 
 wrote:  
 
 Yep - pretty much totally agree.

I thought we looked fairly good in the first half, though without quite as much 
'zip' as in the previous 2 games. In the 2nd half though, the 'zip' had gone 
and I commented that it was much more like watching us last season.  It was a 
pretty even 2nd half and could have easily ended in penalties.

Apart from the lower energy of the B-team, the biggest problem this season is 
passing.  We got away with the passes to the opposition in the first two games 
because we hustled so much to get the ball back.  But last night the passing 
was even worse and the hustle wasn't enough to balance it out.

Nigel
(the Dublin one)

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of 
{broken-address} Richard Walker
Sent: 15 August 2018 09:30
To: Leeds List
Subject: [LU] Bolton - a few thoughts

Interesting game. We made 8 changes so big chance for the B-team. We started 
like we have done in all the games and for 35 minutes I thought we looked good 
with Pearce and Shackleton doing well as wing backs. 
But then I thought we ran out of steam and maybe that's the difference in 
fitness levels and skills between the B-Team and the first 11 ? I thought we 
returned to some of the aimless square and backward balls at the back that we 
have seen under previous managers. The gap between defence and midfield got 
wider and as a result we became less effective. Bolton then began to cause a 
threat and in the end they could have got a result and you have to remember 
they made 9 changes too ! 
So in the end I was happy with the result but it made me think that maybe some 
of our squad players are not going to be able to support a promotion push this 
season. 
Blackman - 7. one bad spill which should have been a goal for them. 
Shackleton - 7. I like the look of this lad. Ok, he lost possession a few times 
and looked at times like he was struggling but you can see he's got quality. 
Pearce - 6. He's a bit more pedestrian than Shackleton and definitely second 
choice to Douglas this season. Did well coming forward at times. 
Jansson - 7. Looked a tad rusy, few dodgy balls but second half showed his 
strength and experience in a few one to ones. Certainly didn't do enough though 
to convince the manager he should be playing instead of Cooper and Beradi and I 
never thought I would say that. 
Ayling - 8. The ever dependable Ayling. 
Phillips - 8. To be fair, he looked the most comfortable and effective in his 
role which is suiting him down to the ground. 
Saiz - 8. I thought he was playing at 75% but still looked a class above and 
scored a great goal. 
Harrison - 7. Tricky little player and he covered some ground. I think he'll be 
pushing Allioski for that left sided position soon. 
Baker - 6. I thought he was a weak link. One or two good forward runs but not 
as solid as Kiltch. 
Bamford - 6. Scored a good goal and looks like he's got a nice left foot but he 
should have had a hat-trick. Bit of a dilemma here because I think he needs 
games but it looks like he'll be stuck on the bench for a while. 
3 games, 3 wins so all good but I think there's a few concerns. 







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[LU] Bolton - a few thoughts

[{broken-address} Richard Walker]

Interesting game. We made 8 changes so big chance for the B-team. We started 
like we have done in all the games and for 35 minutes I thought we looked good 
with Pearce and Shackleton doing well as wing backs. 
But then I thought we ran out of steam and maybe that's the difference in 
fitness levels and skills between the B-Team and the first 11 ? I thought we 
returned to some of the aimless square and backward balls at the back that we 
have seen under previous managers. The gap between defence and midfield got 
wider and as a result we became less effective. Bolton then began to cause a 
threat and in the end they could have got a result and you have to remember 
they made 9 changes too ! 
So in the end I was happy with the result but it made me think that maybe some 
of our squad players are not going to be able to support a promotion push this 
season. 
Blackman - 7. one bad spill which should have been a goal for them. 
Shackleton - 7. I like the look of this lad. Ok, he lost possession a few times 
and looked at times like he was struggling but you can see he's got quality. 
Pearce - 6. He's a bit more pedestrian than Shackleton and definitely second 
choice to Douglas this season. Did well coming forward at times. 
Jansson - 7. Looked a tad rusy, few dodgy balls but second half showed his 
strength and experience in a few one to ones. Certainly didn't do enough though 
to convince the manager he should be playing instead of Cooper and Beradi and I 
never thought I would say that. 
Ayling - 8. The ever dependable Ayling. 
Phillips - 8. To be fair, he looked the most comfortable and effective in his 
role which is suiting him down to the ground. 
Saiz - 8. I thought he was playing at 75% but still looked a class above and 
scored a great goal. 
Harrison - 7. Tricky little player and he covered some ground. I think he'll be 
pushing Allioski for that left sided position soon. 
Baker - 6. I thought he was a weak link. One or two good forward runs but not 
as solid as Kiltch. 
Bamford - 6. Scored a good goal and looks like he's got a nice left foot but he 
should have had a hat-trick. Bit of a dilemma here because I think he needs 
games but it looks like he'll be stuck on the bench for a while. 
3 games, 3 wins so all good but I think there's a few concerns. 







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[LU] Derby

[{broken-address} gcwhite2001]

How the absolute f**k has Bielsa managed to get players who couldn't pass a 
fart last season to be spraying around 50 yard pinpoint passes?!

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Re: [LU] Edmundson ... May as well give up now!!

[{broken-address} Richard Walker]

Just to set the record straight I thought Viduka was a very talented player, 
possibly the most skilful centre forward we’ve ever had (along with Michael 
Bridges). 
My problem with Viduka was that he frequently turned up and looked like a rugby 
player with no skill at all which given his talent I thought was criminal. In 
these games he rarely got subbed despite him contributing nothing and everyone 
getting increasingly frustrated with him. 
I think he was a player who played for himself and very much did his own thing 
and if he didn’t fancy it then so be it. 
You never see him return to Leeds and never hear him talking about Leeds like 
others do in that team. For me, unlike some fans, he can never be considered a 
great.


> On 8 Aug 2018, at 07:56, Tim Leslie  wrote:
> 
> Oh, the poor lad. Signs a three year deal and then alienates Rich Walker 
> instantly!!! ;)
> 
> https://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/sport/football/leeds-united/you-strive-to-be-as-successful-as-he-was-viduka-the-inspiration-as-edmondson-agrees-new-leeds-deal-1-9289016
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[LU] Stoke

[{broken-address} Richard Walker]

What a great day and what a great performance. 
Yes we've had false dawns before including last year's opening win against 
Bolton but I sense that this was different. Bolton were poor and still scored 2 
whereas I felt Stoke are a good side that wanted to play at their pace but we 
just never let them. 
As 45 minutes go I think that's the best I've seen for some years and given 
that this is the same side apart from 1 player that Heckingbottom had I think 
it's clear that the manager has made a massive statement of intent. I always 
criticised Hecky because I couldn't work out what he had brought to the team ? 
There was no new manager affect and the players just seemed to be going through 
the motions. Today was a different system and a different style that I can only 
compare to the impact Wilko made when he joined the club. High tempo, high 
pressure football, interlaced with some great pass and move football which at 
times was breathtaking. Everyone seemed comfortable on the ball and everyone 
comfortable with their positions. I criticised his team selection beforehand 
and I wondered how he was going to make a mid table team of mediocrity compete 
with the bookies favourite for promotion? Well, now it all makes sense. He 
picked the players that he has spent the Summer working with and the players 
who have had time to buy in to and play in the way he wants. I suspect he only 
really knew that it would work after today but all credit to him, the team were 
magnificent. 
I think every player looked 20% fitter than last season. The system worked 
incredbily well and Cooper and Beradi were never exposed because there was 
always other players helping out. Philips, who I have said can't be a top 
midfielder because of his lack of pace and acceleration played a blinder in a 
role that suits him down to the ground. He sits back, chases, harries, tackles 
and breaks up play and then quickly gives the ball to Siaz and co to move 
forward. He looked very comfortable.
Roofe cannot play as a lone striker especially at home so I've said many times. 
Am I now going to have reassess my opinion on this and actually have I writte 
Roofe off too earlier as a '3rd division striker' ? He never really looked like 
scoring today but bloody hell I thought he played well. He looks fitter with a 
bit more muscle and an extra yard of pace. That doesn't make him fast but it 
does give him a 50:50 chance to get to the balls he was unable to last season 
and he never stopped right through to the 5 mins of injury time where he was 
still running for what looked like lost causes. I still think he needs to 
improve his distribution but there's obviously a role for him in this team as 
he never looked isolated with Hernandez, Siaz, Allioski and Klitch all 
supporting with every attack. 
and what about Klitch ? I always thought he looked like a player but he looked 
to lack fitness and pace last season. He looks like Paul Madelely now, majestic 
on the ball and always harrying to win the ball back. His goal was a great run 
and finish. What a player. 
I'm not going to go through all the first half chances but we could have been 3 
or 4 up. The movement and play at times was sensational and crowd were on their 
feet cheering and clapping like I've never heard before. 
Amongst all the great play and performances , Siaz for me stood out in the 
first half. Absolutley brilliant play and he seemed to be back to his best and 
I think again this is down to fitness. He looked very fit and strong and like 
Roofe chased everything. He makes things tick, play the killer ball and also 
beat players with ease. There were rumours that he was going but surely on this 
performance Bielsa will never let him leave. 
Playing out from the back always makes me nervous especially with players who 
really don't have the ability to do so and yes, today there were a couple of 
blips - Beradi played a poor ball and immediately Mclean was through and only 
brilliant anticipation on Cooper's part prevented a goal. Also Douglas had a 
little slip and Ince too control but he recovered brillianty. I think Ince is a 
very lively player and he hit the bar with a great shot in the first half but 
apart from that we stifled him and he got really frustrated. 
2-0 at half-time thanks to some really dodgy keeping from the ex-Leeds keeper.
Second half, we continued to press but I do think we ran out of steam 
particularly Klitch who I think slowed significantly and maybe should have come 
off sooner. Stoke took control and we defended desperately at time and also 
time wasted to run downthe clock. Despite this we still remained a threat on 
the break and could have had more. 
I couldn't see what happened for the pen but it looked like we seemed to have 
defended the cross and got it clear but it somehow came back and fell to a 
Stoke player who was hacked down (Philips ?). Credit to us though because 
rather than panicking we went straight up the other end, won a 

Re: [LU] Bilesa from Guardian - brilliant (if true)

[{broken-address} Richard Walker]

Absolutely mate. That for me was sensational. Going home now for a nice glass 
of red and match report.



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> On 5 Aug 2018, at 18:33, Jim Moran  wrote:
> 
> This email aged fairly badly mate.
> 
> On 5 August 2018 at 15:46, {broken-address} Richard Walker <
> richleed...@yahoo.co.uk.is-broken.gn.apc.org> wrote:
> 
>> Roofe starts ahead of Bamford and Roberts. No Pontus.
>> 
>> Team is weaker than last year
>> 
>> Lots of pre season optimism in the pub but how long will it last. That
>> defence looks v. Weak
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 4 Aug 2018, at 12:27, "nat...@sky.com"  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Marcelo Bielsa had a question. The new Leeds manager wanted to find out
>> how hard the average supporter had to work to pay for a ticket to watch the
>> team. How many hours did he or she have to put in? It was unclear what kind
>> of calculations went into the answer but one was provided. It would be
>> about three.So the Argentinian called his players together and he told them
>> that, for the next three hours, they would be picking up litter from around
>> the club’s Thorp Arch training ground. He wanted them to learn a lesson; to
>> appreciate how the fans laboured to fulfil their passion.t was classic
>> Bielsa on many levels, taking in his empathy for the worker, his fixation
>> with discipline and team spirit and, above all, the quirkiness and
>> unpredictability that has led to the “El Loco” nickname. The 63-year-old is
>> not crazy. It is just that his obsessive nature, ferocious intensity,
>> eccentricities and refusal to adhere to convention can make him seem that
>> way.When Bielsa strode into Leeds on 15 June to replace Paul Heckingbottom,
>> it quickly became clear the club would never be the same again. The stories
>> of Bielsa’s attention to detail are already legendary. He runs his
>> forefinger across various surfaces at Thorp Arch to check for dust,
>> invariably being appalled at what he finds, while he once inquired why
>> there was a bootprint on a wall – about half a yard from the floor.It was
>> explained to him that, perhaps, it was the result of somebody leaning back
>> against it, with his or her foot up. “That shows the person is not
>> concentrated on their work! Unacceptable!” Bielsa exclaimed. Leeds have had
>> and do have bigger problems than the odd dirty mark but this is Bielsa, the
>> perfectionist, and this is how he intends to drag the club up by their
>> bootlaces: little bit by little bit.
>>> Full article - https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/aug/04/leeds-
>> united-marcelo-bielsa
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Re: [LU] We always come back looking for more...

[{broken-address}]

Happy now I bet :-)

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> On 5 Aug 2018, at 12:06, {broken-address} James A. Lundon @ Yahoo! 
>  wrote:
> 
> ...We are always (almost) disappointed too but still queue up for more 
> punishment the next season.
> Stoke are going to be decent so any result today would be a decent start to 
> the season.
> What did someone say once say about hope and despair: I can take the despair. 
> It's the hope I can't stand...
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Re: [LU] Bilesa from Guardian - brilliant (if true)

[{broken-address} Richard Walker]

Roofe starts ahead of Bamford and Roberts. No Pontus.

Team is weaker than last year

Lots of pre season optimism in the pub but how long will it last. That defence 
looks v. Weak

Sent from my iPhone

> On 4 Aug 2018, at 12:27, "nat...@sky.com"  wrote:
> 
> Marcelo Bielsa had a question. The new Leeds manager wanted to find out how 
> hard the average supporter had to work to pay for a ticket to watch the team. 
> How many hours did he or she have to put in? It was unclear what kind of 
> calculations went into the answer but one was provided. It would be about 
> three.So the Argentinian called his players together and he told them that, 
> for the next three hours, they would be picking up litter from around the 
> club’s Thorp Arch training ground. He wanted them to learn a lesson; to 
> appreciate how the fans laboured to fulfil their passion.t was classic Bielsa 
> on many levels, taking in his empathy for the worker, his fixation with 
> discipline and team spirit and, above all, the quirkiness and 
> unpredictability that has led to the “El Loco” nickname. The 63-year-old is 
> not crazy. It is just that his obsessive nature, ferocious intensity, 
> eccentricities and refusal to adhere to convention can make him seem that 
> way.When Bielsa strode into Leeds on 15 June to replace Paul Heckingbottom, 
> it quickly became clear the club would never be the same again. The stories 
> of Bielsa’s attention to detail are already legendary. He runs his forefinger 
> across various surfaces at Thorp Arch to check for dust, invariably being 
> appalled at what he finds, while he once inquired why there was a bootprint 
> on a wall – about half a yard from the floor.It was explained to him that, 
> perhaps, it was the result of somebody leaning back against it, with his or 
> her foot up. “That shows the person is not concentrated on their work! 
> Unacceptable!” Bielsa exclaimed. Leeds have had and do have bigger problems 
> than the odd dirty mark but this is Bielsa, the perfectionist, and this is 
> how he intends to drag the club up by their bootlaces: little bit by little 
> bit.
> Full article - 
> https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/aug/04/leeds-united-marcelo-bielsa
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Re: [LU] Bilesa from Guardian - brilliant (if true)

[{broken-address} Richard Walker]

Good PR stunt  talk of the pub at the moment 

Sent from my iPhone

> On 4 Aug 2018, at 12:27, "nat...@sky.com"  wrote:
> 
> Marcelo Bielsa had a question. The new Leeds manager wanted to find out how 
> hard the average supporter had to work to pay for a ticket to watch the team. 
> How many hours did he or she have to put in? It was unclear what kind of 
> calculations went into the answer but one was provided. It would be about 
> three.So the Argentinian called his players together and he told them that, 
> for the next three hours, they would be picking up litter from around the 
> club’s Thorp Arch training ground. He wanted them to learn a lesson; to 
> appreciate how the fans laboured to fulfil their passion.t was classic Bielsa 
> on many levels, taking in his empathy for the worker, his fixation with 
> discipline and team spirit and, above all, the quirkiness and 
> unpredictability that has led to the “El Loco” nickname. The 63-year-old is 
> not crazy. It is just that his obsessive nature, ferocious intensity, 
> eccentricities and refusal to adhere to convention can make him seem that 
> way.When Bielsa strode into Leeds on 15 June to replace Paul Heckingbottom, 
> it quickly became clear the club would never be the same again. The stories 
> of Bielsa’s attention to detail are already legendary. He runs his forefinger 
> across various surfaces at Thorp Arch to check for dust, invariably being 
> appalled at what he finds, while he once inquired why there was a bootprint 
> on a wall – about half a yard from the floor.It was explained to him that, 
> perhaps, it was the result of somebody leaning back against it, with his or 
> her foot up. “That shows the person is not concentrated on their work! 
> Unacceptable!” Bielsa exclaimed. Leeds have had and do have bigger problems 
> than the odd dirty mark but this is Bielsa, the perfectionist, and this is 
> how he intends to drag the club up by their bootlaces: little bit by little 
> bit.
> Full article - 
> https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/aug/04/leeds-united-marcelo-bielsa
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[LU] We always come back looking for more...

[{broken-address} James A. Lundon @ Yahoo!]

...We are always (almost) disappointed too but still queue up for more 
punishment the next season.
Stoke are going to be decent so any result today would be a decent start to the 
season.
What did someone say once say about hope and despair: I can take the despair. 
It's the hope I can't stand...
James.
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Re: [LU] Bilesa from Guardian - brilliant (if true)

[{broken-address} Nicholas Armit]

 If we don't give this guy time we never will. 18 months minimum.
On Saturday, August 4, 2018, 8:06:49 AM EDT, nat...@sky.com 
 wrote:  
 
 The whole article does leave you feeling that , for once, we have got things 
right at ER and that things are looking up. I think it is the first time for a 
long time, that I am genuinely excited and looking forward with real optimism 
as opposed to wishful thinking.

His knowledge of the Championship , albeit theoretical rather than practical, 
seems amazing. He is clearly putting in the hard work and so far the players 
are doing the same with extra training and the fact that "The statistics show 
the players ran more, on average, across their six pre-season games than they 
did in league matches last season."
Having said that I can still see it going to pieces and quite quickly - I can 
easily see us getting hammered 4 or 5 nil on Sunday and him walking out on 
Monday!
Equally there are suggestions that his teams run out of steam towards the end 
of a season and we all know that the Championship is the longest most arduous 
league in the world. 

Dave

      From: Michael ALCOCK 
 To: "nat...@sky.com"  
Cc: Leeds List 
 Sent: Saturday, 4 August 2018, 12:54
 Subject: Re: [LU] Bilesa from Guardian - brilliant (if true)
  
I really hope it is true. I’m more excited about this season than I have been 
for years. It really does feel like we’re iving things a real go...
On Sat, 4 Aug 2018 at 12:28, nat...@sky.com  wrote:

Marcelo Bielsa had a question. The new Leeds manager wanted to find out how 
hard the average supporter had to work to pay for a ticket to watch the team. 
How many hours did he or she have to put in? It was unclear what kind of 
calculations went into the answer but one was provided. It would be about 
three.So the Argentinian called his players together and he told them that, for 
the next three hours, they would be picking up litter from around the club’s 
Thorp Arch training ground. He wanted them to learn a lesson; to appreciate how 
the fans laboured to fulfil their passion.t was classic Bielsa on many levels, 
taking in his empathy for the worker, his fixation with discipline and team 
spirit and, above all, the quirkiness and unpredictability that has led to the 
“El Loco” nickname. The 63-year-old is not crazy. It is just that his obsessive 
nature, ferocious intensity, eccentricities and refusal to adhere to convention 
can make him seem that way.When Bielsa strode into Leeds on 15 June to replace 
Paul Heckingbottom, it quickly became clear the club would never be the same 
again. The stories of Bielsa’s attention to detail are already legendary. He 
runs his forefinger across various surfaces at Thorp Arch to check for dust, 
invariably being appalled at what he finds, while he once inquired why there 
was a bootprint on a wall – about half a yard from the floor.It was explained 
to him that, perhaps, it was the result of somebody leaning back against it, 
with his or her foot up. “That shows the person is not concentrated on their 
work! Unacceptable!” Bielsa exclaimed. Leeds have had and do have bigger 
problems than the odd dirty mark but this is Bielsa, the perfectionist, and 
this is how he intends to drag the club up by their bootlaces: little bit by 
little bit.
Full article - 
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/aug/04/leeds-united-marcelo-bielsa
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