Re: [LU] Fwd: Kalvin Phillips' averageness in stats.

2019-08-15 Thread nat...@sky.com 
 They did not say
On Thursday, 15 August 2019, 17:03:25 GMT+1, Richard Walker 
 wrote:  
 
  what's the date on Roberts ? 
On Thursday, 15 August 2019, 17:00:50 BST, nat...@sky.com  
wrote:  
 
  Agree not great but only way the would let us have him . No idea what happens 
if injured
I see the Ayling injury is now viewed as long term and that Robert's should be 
fit first ?
On Thursday, 15 August 2019, 16:50:56 GMT+1, Richard Walker 
 wrote:  
 
  not sure I like the idea of penalties for not enough game time. 
On Thursday, 15 August 2019, 16:39:18 BST, nat...@sky.com  
wrote:  
 
  Very good report on the Athletic on how we got Nketiah - Arsenal really 
needed persuading as to which was the right team for him and themBristol (Lee 
Johnson) a German team and us (Orta) had to do hour long presentations 
explaining how ee played and how we would use him etcIn addition to the money 
we paid to be allowed to loan him there are also 'penalties ' if he does not 
get enough game time The whole loan system is changing and more important than 
ever

As already said MB is sticking with same team so Nketiah & Costa on bench - 
makes sense.Bielsa also admitted we had more loanees than we can have in the 
matchday squad 
Dave
    On Thursday, 15 August 2019, 15:04:54 GMT+1, Joe Skinner 
 wrote:  
 
 He's already said he won't change the team... 

I presume he meant the Forest line-up.

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Subject: Re: [LU] Fwd: Kalvin Phillips' averageness in stats.

Don't think he'll start, he hasn't trained enough with the team and probably 
lacks match fitness, he'll be on the bench and probably come on for the last 10 
mins when we are 4-0 up.

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Subject: Re: [LU] Fwd: Kalvin Phillips' averageness in stats.

 So moving away from the Kalvin spat .. would you play Eddie on Saturday ? 
    On Wednesday, 14 August 2019, 16:11:27 BST, Simon McNally 
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Re: [LU] Fwd: Kalvin Phillips' averageness in stats.

2019-08-15 Thread Richard Walker via Leedslist 
 what's the date on Roberts ? 
On Thursday, 15 August 2019, 17:00:50 BST, nat...@sky.com  
wrote:  
 
  Agree not great but only way the would let us have him . No idea what happens 
if injured
I see the Ayling injury is now viewed as long term and that Robert's should be 
fit first ?
On Thursday, 15 August 2019, 16:50:56 GMT+1, Richard Walker 
 wrote:  
 
  not sure I like the idea of penalties for not enough game time. 
On Thursday, 15 August 2019, 16:39:18 BST, nat...@sky.com  
wrote:  
 
  Very good report on the Athletic on how we got Nketiah - Arsenal really 
needed persuading as to which was the right team for him and themBristol (Lee 
Johnson) a German team and us (Orta) had to do hour long presentations 
explaining how ee played and how we would use him etcIn addition to the money 
we paid to be allowed to loan him there are also 'penalties ' if he does not 
get enough game time The whole loan system is changing and more important than 
ever

As already said MB is sticking with same team so Nketiah & Costa on bench - 
makes sense.Bielsa also admitted we had more loanees than we can have in the 
matchday squad 
Dave
    On Thursday, 15 August 2019, 15:04:54 GMT+1, Joe Skinner 
 wrote:  
 
 He's already said he won't change the team... 

I presume he meant the Forest line-up.

-Original Message-
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Sent: 15 August 2019 14:54
To: leeds list (leedslist@gn.apc.org) 
Subject: Re: [LU] Fwd: Kalvin Phillips' averageness in stats.

Don't think he'll start, he hasn't trained enough with the team and probably 
lacks match fitness, he'll be on the bench and probably come on for the last 10 
mins when we are 4-0 up.

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Sent: 15 August 2019 09:04
To: Nick ; Simon McNally 
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Subject: Re: [LU] Fwd: Kalvin Phillips' averageness in stats.

 So moving away from the Kalvin spat .. would you play Eddie on Saturday ? 
    On Wednesday, 14 August 2019, 16:11:27 BST, Simon McNally 
 wrote:  
 
 
  
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Re: [LU] Fwd: Kalvin Phillips' averageness in stats.

2019-08-15 Thread nat...@sky.com 
 Agree not great but only way the would let us have him . No idea what happens 
if injured
I see the Ayling injury is now viewed as long term and that Robert's should be 
fit first ?
On Thursday, 15 August 2019, 16:50:56 GMT+1, Richard Walker 
 wrote:  
 
  not sure I like the idea of penalties for not enough game time. 
On Thursday, 15 August 2019, 16:39:18 BST, nat...@sky.com  
wrote:  
 
  Very good report on the Athletic on how we got Nketiah - Arsenal really 
needed persuading as to which was the right team for him and themBristol (Lee 
Johnson) a German team and us (Orta) had to do hour long presentations 
explaining how ee played and how we would use him etcIn addition to the money 
we paid to be allowed to loan him there are also 'penalties ' if he does not 
get enough game time The whole loan system is changing and more important than 
ever

As already said MB is sticking with same team so Nketiah & Costa on bench - 
makes sense.Bielsa also admitted we had more loanees than we can have in the 
matchday squad 
Dave
    On Thursday, 15 August 2019, 15:04:54 GMT+1, Joe Skinner 
 wrote:  
 
 He's already said he won't change the team... 

I presume he meant the Forest line-up.

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Richard Naef
Sent: 15 August 2019 14:54
To: leeds list (leedslist@gn.apc.org) 
Subject: Re: [LU] Fwd: Kalvin Phillips' averageness in stats.

Don't think he'll start, he hasn't trained enough with the team and probably 
lacks match fitness, he'll be on the bench and probably come on for the last 10 
mins when we are 4-0 up.

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Richard Walker via 
Leedslist
Sent: 15 August 2019 09:04
To: Nick ; Simon McNally 
Cc: Leeds List 
Subject: Re: [LU] Fwd: Kalvin Phillips' averageness in stats.

 So moving away from the Kalvin spat .. would you play Eddie on Saturday ? 
    On Wednesday, 14 August 2019, 16:11:27 BST, Simon McNally 
 wrote:  
 
 
  
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Re: [LU] Fwd: Kalvin Phillips' averageness in stats.

2019-08-15 Thread Richard Walker via Leedslist 
 not sure I like the idea of penalties for not enough game time. 
On Thursday, 15 August 2019, 16:39:18 BST, nat...@sky.com  
wrote:  
 
  Very good report on the Athletic on how we got Nketiah - Arsenal really 
needed persuading as to which was the right team for him and themBristol (Lee 
Johnson) a German team and us (Orta) had to do hour long presentations 
explaining how ee played and how we would use him etcIn addition to the money 
we paid to be allowed to loan him there are also 'penalties ' if he does not 
get enough game time The whole loan system is changing and more important than 
ever

As already said MB is sticking with same team so Nketiah & Costa on bench - 
makes sense.Bielsa also admitted we had more loanees than we can have in the 
matchday squad 
Dave
    On Thursday, 15 August 2019, 15:04:54 GMT+1, Joe Skinner 
 wrote:  
 
 He's already said he won't change the team... 

I presume he meant the Forest line-up.

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Richard Naef
Sent: 15 August 2019 14:54
To: leeds list (leedslist@gn.apc.org) 
Subject: Re: [LU] Fwd: Kalvin Phillips' averageness in stats.

Don't think he'll start, he hasn't trained enough with the team and probably 
lacks match fitness, he'll be on the bench and probably come on for the last 10 
mins when we are 4-0 up.

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Richard Walker via 
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Sent: 15 August 2019 09:04
To: Nick ; Simon McNally 
Cc: Leeds List 
Subject: Re: [LU] Fwd: Kalvin Phillips' averageness in stats.

 So moving away from the Kalvin spat .. would you play Eddie on Saturday ? 
    On Wednesday, 14 August 2019, 16:11:27 BST, Simon McNally 
 wrote:  
 
 
  
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Re: [LU] Fwd: Kalvin Phillips' averageness in stats.

2019-08-15 Thread nat...@sky.com 
 Very good report on the Athletic on how we got Nketiah - Arsenal really needed 
persuading as to which was the right team for him and themBristol (Lee Johnson) 
a German team and us (Orta) had to do hour long presentations explaining how ee 
played and how we would use him etcIn addition to the money we paid to be 
allowed to loan him there are also 'penalties ' if he does not get enough game 
time The whole loan system is changing and more important than ever

As already said MB is sticking with same team so Nketiah & Costa on bench - 
makes sense.Bielsa also admitted we had more loanees than we can have in the 
matchday squad 
Dave
On Thursday, 15 August 2019, 15:04:54 GMT+1, Joe Skinner 
 wrote:  
 
 He's already said he won't change the team... 

I presume he meant the Forest line-up.

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Richard Naef
Sent: 15 August 2019 14:54
To: leeds list (leedslist@gn.apc.org) 
Subject: Re: [LU] Fwd: Kalvin Phillips' averageness in stats.

Don't think he'll start, he hasn't trained enough with the team and probably 
lacks match fitness, he'll be on the bench and probably come on for the last 10 
mins when we are 4-0 up.

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Richard Walker via 
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Sent: 15 August 2019 09:04
To: Nick ; Simon McNally 
Cc: Leeds List 
Subject: Re: [LU] Fwd: Kalvin Phillips' averageness in stats.

 So moving away from the Kalvin spat .. would you play Eddie on Saturday ? 
    On Wednesday, 14 August 2019, 16:11:27 BST, Simon McNally 
 wrote:  
 
 
  
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Re: [LU] Fwd: Kalvin Phillips' averageness in stats.

2019-08-15 Thread Joe Skinner 
He's already said he won't change the team... 

I presume he meant the Forest line-up.

-Original Message-
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Sent: 15 August 2019 14:54
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Subject: Re: [LU] Fwd: Kalvin Phillips' averageness in stats.

Don't think he'll start, he hasn't trained enough with the team and probably 
lacks match fitness, he'll be on the bench and probably come on for the last 10 
mins when we are 4-0 up.

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To: Nick ; Simon McNally 
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Subject: Re: [LU] Fwd: Kalvin Phillips' averageness in stats.

 So moving away from the Kalvin spat .. would you play Eddie on Saturday ? 
On Wednesday, 14 August 2019, 16:11:27 BST, Simon McNally 
 wrote:  
 
 
  
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Re: [LU] Fwd: Kalvin Phillips' averageness in stats.

2019-08-15 Thread Richard Naef 
Don't think he'll start, he hasn't trained enough with the team and probably 
lacks match fitness, he'll be on the bench and probably come on for the last 10 
mins when we are 4-0 up.

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To: Nick ; Simon McNally 
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Subject: Re: [LU] Fwd: Kalvin Phillips' averageness in stats.

 So moving away from the Kalvin spat .. would you play Eddie on Saturday ? 
On Wednesday, 14 August 2019, 16:11:27 BST, Simon McNally 
 wrote:  
 
 
  
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Re: [LU] Fwd: Kalvin Phillips' averageness in stats.

2019-08-15 Thread Kevin Lewis (UK SBS) 
Having been away for a couple of days, I'm probably a bit late into this thread 
but.
Surely it is a sign of Phillips' class at this level that he appears to  stroll 
through games and always has 10 yds of space around him.  The trick is, that 
when he doesn't, he keeps it simple and quick, then moves into position to make 
himself available again.

Obviously not at the same level, but isn't that what Pirlo did for years.  Even 
though the opponents often regarded him as the guy who made the team tick, 
nobody would get near to him most of the time.

Regarding selection for the Wigan game, I'd keep it exactly the same as the 
first 2 league games to start  with. There is nothing wrong with the team's 
shape for an away game or the overall play.  My main criticism on both games 
would be that  Bielsa changed things around  when we were in control and upset 
the rhythm both times.

Having Eddie on the bench gives the option of replacing Bamford later on with a 
different type of Striker, or putting them together if he needs to.  Similarly 
with Costa.
Both Costa and Nketiah, will get plenty of  chance to prove themselves over the 
coming months.

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Re: [LU] Fwd: Kalvin Phillips' averageness in stats.

2019-08-15 Thread Simon McNally 
And our defence wouldn’t be able to cope with Chapman in the air. Think Batty 
would dominate the midfield too!

Sent from my iPhone

> On 15 Aug 2019, at 12:12, Richard Walker  wrote:
> 
> Yes it would be really interesting to see a game between the current team and 
> the 89/90 promotion team. 
> 
> My prediction would be 4-0 to the 89/90 team. I don't think either of our 
> full backs could handle Strachan or a young Speed. 
> 
> On Thursday, 15 August 2019, 11:58:33 BST, Simon McNally 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> As much as I enjoy the intricate play we produce, sometimes I wish we’d just 
> lump it into the box to a Chapman like striker with a smaller, quicker player 
> alongside him!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 15 Aug 2019, at 11:49, Richard Walker  wrote:
>> 
>> that's a bit old fashioned John - 2 strikers up front, but as an old git I 
>> agree.   
>> 
>> On Thursday, 15 August 2019, 11:28:43 BST,  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I’d start with Eddie and Bamford up front, with Pablo behind them feeding 
>> killer balls! Like Rob H says, I bet Bielsa won’t though. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> > On 15 Aug 2019, at 09:44, Simon McNally  wrote:
>> > 
>> > Yes
>> > 
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> > 
>> >> On 15 Aug 2019, at 09:03, Richard Walker  wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> So moving away from the Kalvin spat .. would you play Eddie on Saturday ? 
>> >> 
>> >> On Wednesday, 14 August 2019, 16:11:27 BST, Simon McNally 
>> >>  wrote:
>> 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> 
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Re: [LU] Fwd: Kalvin Phillips' averageness in stats.

2019-08-15 Thread Richard Walker via Leedslist 
 Yes it would be really interesting to see a game between the current team and 
the 89/90 promotion team. 
My prediction would be 4-0 to the 89/90 team. I don't think either of our full 
backs could handle Strachan or a young Speed. 
On Thursday, 15 August 2019, 11:58:33 BST, Simon McNally 
 wrote:  
 
 As much as I enjoy the intricate play we produce, sometimes I wish we’d just 
lump it into the box to a Chapman like striker with a smaller, quicker player 
alongside him!

Sent from my iPhone
On 15 Aug 2019, at 11:49, Richard Walker  wrote:


 that's a bit old fashioned John - 2 strikers up front, but as an old git I 
agree.   
On Thursday, 15 August 2019, 11:28:43 BST,  
wrote:  
 
 I’d start with Eddie and Bamford up front, with Pablo behind them feeding 
killer balls! Like Rob H says, I bet Bielsa won’t though. 

Sent from my iPad

> On 15 Aug 2019, at 09:44, Simon McNally  wrote:
> 
> Yes
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 15 Aug 2019, at 09:03, Richard Walker  wrote:
>> 
>> So moving away from the Kalvin spat .. would you play Eddie on Saturday ? 
>> 
>> On Wednesday, 14 August 2019, 16:11:27 BST, Simon McNally 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [LU] Fwd: Kalvin Phillips' averageness in stats.

2019-08-15 Thread Simon McNally 
As much as I enjoy the intricate play we produce, sometimes I wish we’d just 
lump it into the box to a Chapman like striker with a smaller, quicker player 
alongside him!

Sent from my iPhone

> On 15 Aug 2019, at 11:49, Richard Walker  wrote:
> 
> that's a bit old fashioned John - 2 strikers up front, but as an old git I 
> agree.   
> 
> On Thursday, 15 August 2019, 11:28:43 BST,  wrote:
> 
> 
> I’d start with Eddie and Bamford up front, with Pablo behind them feeding 
> killer balls! Like Rob H says, I bet Bielsa won’t though. 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> > On 15 Aug 2019, at 09:44, Simon McNally  wrote:
> > 
> > Yes
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > 
> >> On 15 Aug 2019, at 09:03, Richard Walker  wrote:
> >> 
> >> So moving away from the Kalvin spat .. would you play Eddie on Saturday ? 
> >> 
> >> On Wednesday, 14 August 2019, 16:11:27 BST, Simon McNally 
> >>  wrote:
> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
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Re: [LU] Fwd: Kalvin Phillips' averageness in stats.

2019-08-15 Thread Richard Walker via Leedslist 
 that's a bit old fashioned John - 2 strikers up front, but as an old git I 
agree.   
On Thursday, 15 August 2019, 11:28:43 BST,  
wrote:  
 
 I’d start with Eddie and Bamford up front, with Pablo behind them feeding 
killer balls! Like Rob H says, I bet Bielsa won’t though. 

Sent from my iPad

> On 15 Aug 2019, at 09:44, Simon McNally  wrote:
> 
> Yes
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 15 Aug 2019, at 09:03, Richard Walker  wrote:
>> 
>> So moving away from the Kalvin spat .. would you play Eddie on Saturday ? 
>> 
>> On Wednesday, 14 August 2019, 16:11:27 BST, Simon McNally 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [LU] Fwd: Kalvin Phillips' averageness in stats.

2019-08-15 Thread John Lee via Leedslist 
I’d start with Eddie and Bamford up front, with Pablo behind them feeding 
killer balls! Like Rob H says, I bet Bielsa won’t though. 

Sent from my iPad

> On 15 Aug 2019, at 09:44, Simon McNally  wrote:
> 
> Yes
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 15 Aug 2019, at 09:03, Richard Walker  wrote:
>> 
>> So moving away from the Kalvin spat .. would you play Eddie on Saturday ? 
>> 
>> On Wednesday, 14 August 2019, 16:11:27 BST, Simon McNally 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [LU] Fwd: Kalvin Phillips' averageness in stats.

2019-08-15 Thread Simon McNally 
Yes

Sent from my iPhone

> On 15 Aug 2019, at 09:03, Richard Walker  wrote:
> 
> So moving away from the Kalvin spat .. would you play Eddie on Saturday ? 
> 
> On Wednesday, 14 August 2019, 16:11:27 BST, Simon McNally 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [LU] Fwd: Kalvin Phillips' averageness in stats.

2019-08-15 Thread Joe Skinner 
Who would you play him instead of?

Bamford? No. 

Harrison? Unlikely.

Hernandez? Extremely unlikely. 

He seems to like to play 3 in the middle away from home - these days that's 
Klich, Phillips and anonymous. Phillips sitting deeper - as opposed to dropping 
back into defence at home. So away, the width comes mainly from the wide 2 in 
the front 3 (because the full backs aren't pushing on as much) 

If one of those middle 3 is missing, Pablo has to play in the middle. Or 
Shackleton. Or who else, Dallas, which is no good? You can't expect Costa to 
play there. What is Dallas' natural position - winger? He seems to prefer him 
at right back? 

Costa/Clarke/Eddie all seem to be vying for the right to replace Harrison or 
Pablo, unless Eddie is an out and out forward who plays centrally? He (and 
Costa and Clarke) were interchangeable after about 30 mins.  

Who knows? He does what he wants!

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Robert Heath
Sent: 15 August 2019 09:07
To: Richard Walker 
Cc: Leeds List 
Subject: Re: [LU] Fwd: Kalvin Phillips' averageness in stats.

Most of us probably would, but I'd bet my house that Bielsa won't.

It seems like it's bloody hard to get into a Bielsa team, but even harder to 
get out once you're in.

On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 10:04 AM Richard Walker via Leedslist < 
leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:

>  So moving away from the Kalvin spat .. would you play Eddie on Saturday ?
> On Wednesday, 14 August 2019, 16:11:27 BST, Simon McNally < 
> simon_mcna...@sky.com> wrote:
>
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Re: [LU] Fwd: Kalvin Phillips' averageness in stats.

2019-08-15 Thread Robert Heath 
Most of us probably would, but I'd bet my house that Bielsa won't.

It seems like it's bloody hard to get into a Bielsa team, but even harder
to get out once you're in.

On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 10:04 AM Richard Walker via Leedslist <
leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:

>  So moving away from the Kalvin spat .. would you play Eddie on Saturday ?
> On Wednesday, 14 August 2019, 16:11:27 BST, Simon McNally <
> simon_mcna...@sky.com> wrote:
>
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Re: [LU] Fwd: Kalvin Phillips' averageness in stats.

2019-08-15 Thread Richard Walker via Leedslist 
 So moving away from the Kalvin spat .. would you play Eddie on Saturday ? 
On Wednesday, 14 August 2019, 16:11:27 BST, Simon McNally 
 wrote:  
 
 
  
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Re: [LU] Fwd: Kalvin Phillips' averageness in stats.

2019-08-14 Thread Nicholas Armit via Leedslist 
 I never said he is average, what he is not is beyond any type of criticism or 
meaningful discussion of mistakes he may make.
Nick
On Wednesday, August 14, 2019, 10:55:27 AM EDT, Nick 
 wrote:  
 
 that 60 yarder for Bamford to spoon just wide on Saturday was Hoddlesque 
(without the god bothering)

> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: Richard Naef 
> Subject: Re: [LU] Kalvin Phillips' averageness in stats.
> Date: 14 August 2019 at 15:39:30 BST
> To: Nicholas Armit , Richard Walker 
> , "leeds list (leedslist@gn.apc.org)" 
> 
> 
> If you don't try difficult things and occasionally fail (16%) then what's the 
> point. Perhaps some of the 16% did cause problems but that's what the other 
> 10 players are for and Bielsa isn't going to criticise him for that.
> 
> I think Dave made the point that comparing Batty to Macca was pointless as 
> there attempts at passing were of completely different types.  KP is a 
> defensive midfielder, very little gets through BUT he also sets up counter 
> attacks and plays defence splitting passes.  If you think he's average your 
> are entitled to your opinion, but I just think that's  plain wrong and not 
> born out by the facts of last season or the beginning of this, maybe you need 
> to amend your expectations of a top championship DM? Who are you comparing 
> him with?
> 
> Sent from my Mobile.
> 
> 
> From: Nicholas Armit 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2019 3:07:22 PM
> To: Richard Walker ; leeds list 
> (leedslist@gn.apc.org) ; Richard Naef 
> 
> Subject: Re: [LU] Kalvin Phillips' averageness in stats.
> 
> I recommend you watch again Richard and actually look for the passes he gave 
> away. They were problematic.
> 
> Phillips has come on leaps and bounds but he does have issues.
> 
> Nick
> 
> On Wednesday, August 14, 2019, 09:56:57 AM EDT, Richard Naef 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> LOL.  15 long passes, 84 Medium and Short.
> 
> Sent from my Mobile.
> 
> 
> From: Nicholas Armit 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2019 2:47:35 PM
> To: Richard Walker ; leeds list 
> (leedslist@gn.apc.org) ; Richard Naef 
> 
> Subject: Re: [LU] Kalvin Phillips' averageness in stats.
> 
> Most of the game Phillips sat in midfield with noone anywhere near him. 
> During the game I told the boy I could sit there and do that too and give the 
> ball away less (some hyperbole there of course). With Rich a bit here, stats 
> do not tell everything. 100 short passes looks great and is not necessarily a 
> bad thing but when 4/5 through balls go straight to the other side and sets 
> up their attack there is nothing wrong with pointing that out.
> 
> Nick
> 
> On Wednesday, August 14, 2019, 05:48:08 AM EDT, Richard Naef 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I’m definitely a snowflake and I hug trees and don’t wash regularly, but when 
> deciding on things I prefer facts to opinions, which of course you are 
> entitled to have and express on an open forum.  Of course you don’t like 
> facts and stats that contradict your opinions, who does, but just ignoring 
> them and accusing others of getting upset is a bit rich (pun intended).  If 
> you think 16% is “frequent” in the context of a fast flowing match against 
> committed (albeit limited) opponents, can you give us an example of the stats 
> you would expect from an ABOVE average player, one that would reduce the pain 
> you say you feel from watching one of our most improved and committed 
> players?  C’mon Rich, we all know your schtick on here & Twitter is to be 
> angry and contrarian to wind people up, but you’re amongst friends here, just 
> once, just for us, crack and smile and gives us a WHOOP – promise we won’t 
> tell anyone.
> 
> From: Richard Walker mailto:richleed...@yahoo.co.uk>>
> Sent: 14 August 2019 10:37
> To: leeds list (leedslist@gn.apc.org) 
> mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>; Richard Naef 
> mailto:rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk>>
> Subject: Re: [LU] Kalvin Phillips' averageness in stats.
> 
> stats are stats and looking at those they mean nothing. For instance they 
> don't include his shot that went over the stand in the first half.
> 
> I'd prefer to go with what I saw and overall I thought Philips did ok with a 
> definite improvement in the second half with one or two really good passes.
> 
> First half though, he was dreadful. His passing was all over the place, 
> frequently giving the ball away (that must have been the 16% inaccurate 
> passes). The most worrying thing is when he got done for pace by Towell and 
> you could see he just didn't have the acceleration to recover.
> 
> I like Philips, he's a local lad and he's doing ok at this moment in time but 
> let's have a reality check. Some fans are saying he could be England captain 
> whereas I think he's a good championship player and would struggle in the PL.
> 
> It makes me laugh when fans get all upset when you point out a player's 
> faults in a match and get all abusive and start

Re: [LU] Fwd: Kalvin Phillips' averageness in stats.

2019-08-14 Thread Richard Walker via Leedslist 
 He gets caught out fairly frequently though. He as dragged off a couple of 
times last season when up against pacey midfielders - Brentford being the 
obvious one. 
On Wednesday, 14 August 2019, 16:58:16 BST, Robert Heath 
 wrote:  
 
 Another snowflake (whatever that means) writes: Yeah, and the fact that
that kid with a horrible haircut outpaced Phillips on that break is
actually a point in his favour...he was shown there to be not
exactly turbospeed, but the very fact that he is so rarely caught out in
situations like that is a tribute to his positioning and anticipation.

On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 5:11 PM Simon McNally  wrote:

> I think it’s a fair point. You’d think that Forshaw’s passing stats would
> look quite good because all he ever does is pass slowly sideways and
> backwards. Sometimes he even manages to mess that up though. I imagine if
> Kalvin is attempting risky long range passes it’s because Bielsa has told
> him to.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On 14 Aug 2019, at 15:55, Nick  wrote:
> >
> > that 60 yarder for Bamford to spoon just wide on Saturday was Hoddlesque
> (without the god bothering)
> >
> >> Begin forwarded message:
> >>
> >> From: Richard Naef 
> >> Subject: Re: [LU] Kalvin Phillips' averageness in stats.
> >> Date: 14 August 2019 at 15:39:30 BST
> >> To: Nicholas Armit , Richard Walker <
> richleed...@yahoo.co.uk>, "leeds list (leedslist@gn.apc.org)" <
> leedslist@gn.apc.org>
> >>
> >> If you don't try difficult things and occasionally fail (16%) then
> what's the point. Perhaps some of the 16% did cause problems but that's
> what the other 10 players are for and Bielsa isn't going to criticise him
> for that.
> >>
> >> I think Dave made the point that comparing Batty to Macca was pointless
> as there attempts at passing were of completely different types.  KP is a
> defensive midfielder, very little gets through BUT he also sets up counter
> attacks and plays defence splitting passes.  If you think he's average your
> are entitled to your opinion, but I just think that's  plain wrong and not
> born out by the facts of last season or the beginning of this, maybe you
> need to amend your expectations of a top championship DM? Who are you
> comparing him with?
> >>
> >> Sent from my Mobile.
> >>
> >> 
> >> From: Nicholas Armit 
> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2019 3:07:22 PM
> >> To: Richard Walker ; leeds list (
> leedslist@gn.apc.org) ; Richard Naef <
> rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk>
> >> Subject: Re: [LU] Kalvin Phillips' averageness in stats.
> >>
> >> I recommend you watch again Richard and actually look for the passes he
> gave away. They were problematic.
> >>
> >> Phillips has come on leaps and bounds but he does have issues.
> >>
> >> Nick
> >>
> >> On Wednesday, August 14, 2019, 09:56:57 AM EDT, Richard Naef <
> rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> LOL.  15 long passes, 84 Medium and Short.
> >>
> >> Sent from my Mobile.
> >>
> >> 
> >> From: Nicholas Armit 
> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2019 2:47:35 PM
> >> To: Richard Walker ; leeds list (
> leedslist@gn.apc.org) ; Richard Naef <
> rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk>
> >> Subject: Re: [LU] Kalvin Phillips' averageness in stats.
> >>
> >> Most of the game Phillips sat in midfield with noone anywhere near him.
> During the game I told the boy I could sit there and do that too and give
> the ball away less (some hyperbole there of course). With Rich a bit here,
> stats do not tell everything. 100 short passes looks great and is not
> necessarily a bad thing but when 4/5 through balls go straight to the other
> side and sets up their attack there is nothing wrong with pointing that out.
> >>
> >> Nick
> >>
> >> On Wednesday, August 14, 2019, 05:48:08 AM EDT, Richard Naef <
> rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> I’m definitely a snowflake and I hug trees and don’t wash regularly,
> but when deciding on things I prefer facts to opinions, which of course you
> are entitled to have and express on an open forum.  Of course you don’t
> like facts and stats that contradict your opinions, who does, but just
> ignoring them and accusing others of getting upset is a bit rich (pun
> intended).  If you think 16% is “frequent” in the context of a fast flowing
> match against committed (albeit limited) opponents, can you give us an
> example of the stats you would expect from an ABOVE average player, one
> that would reduce the pain you say you feel from watching one of our most
> improved and committed players?  C’mon Rich, we all know your schtick on
> here & Twitter is to be angry and contrarian to wind people up, but you’re
> amongst friends here, just once, just for us, crack and smile and gives us
> a WHOOP – promise we won’t tell anyone.
> >>
> >> From: Richard Walker  richleed...@yahoo.co.uk>>
> >> Sent: 14 August 2019 10:37
> >> To: leeds list (leedslist@gn.apc.org) <
>

Re: [LU] Fwd: Kalvin Phillips' averageness in stats.

2019-08-14 Thread Richard Walker via Leedslist 
 oh yeah, the boy can pass - of that there is no doubt. He just didn't pass 
that well in the first half last night. That's all , end of subject. We all 
love him and he'll get even better this season and hopefully improve from 
averageness to greatness. 
On Wednesday, 14 August 2019, 15:55:19 BST, Nick  
wrote:  
 
 that 60 yarder for Bamford to spoon just wide on Saturday was Hoddlesque 
(without the god bothering)

> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: Richard Naef 
> Subject: Re: [LU] Kalvin Phillips' averageness in stats.
> Date: 14 August 2019 at 15:39:30 BST
> To: Nicholas Armit , Richard Walker 
> , "leeds list (leedslist@gn.apc.org)" 
> 
> 
> If you don't try difficult things and occasionally fail (16%) then what's the 
> point. Perhaps some of the 16% did cause problems but that's what the other 
> 10 players are for and Bielsa isn't going to criticise him for that.
> 
> I think Dave made the point that comparing Batty to Macca was pointless as 
> there attempts at passing were of completely different types.  KP is a 
> defensive midfielder, very little gets through BUT he also sets up counter 
> attacks and plays defence splitting passes.  If you think he's average your 
> are entitled to your opinion, but I just think that's  plain wrong and not 
> born out by the facts of last season or the beginning of this, maybe you need 
> to amend your expectations of a top championship DM? Who are you comparing 
> him with?
> 
> Sent from my Mobile.
> 
> 
> From: Nicholas Armit 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2019 3:07:22 PM
> To: Richard Walker ; leeds list 
> (leedslist@gn.apc.org) ; Richard Naef 
> 
> Subject: Re: [LU] Kalvin Phillips' averageness in stats.
> 
> I recommend you watch again Richard and actually look for the passes he gave 
> away. They were problematic.
> 
> Phillips has come on leaps and bounds but he does have issues.
> 
> Nick
> 
> On Wednesday, August 14, 2019, 09:56:57 AM EDT, Richard Naef 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> LOL.  15 long passes, 84 Medium and Short.
> 
> Sent from my Mobile.
> 
> 
> From: Nicholas Armit 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2019 2:47:35 PM
> To: Richard Walker ; leeds list 
> (leedslist@gn.apc.org) ; Richard Naef 
> 
> Subject: Re: [LU] Kalvin Phillips' averageness in stats.
> 
> Most of the game Phillips sat in midfield with noone anywhere near him. 
> During the game I told the boy I could sit there and do that too and give the 
> ball away less (some hyperbole there of course). With Rich a bit here, stats 
> do not tell everything. 100 short passes looks great and is not necessarily a 
> bad thing but when 4/5 through balls go straight to the other side and sets 
> up their attack there is nothing wrong with pointing that out.
> 
> Nick
> 
> On Wednesday, August 14, 2019, 05:48:08 AM EDT, Richard Naef 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I’m definitely a snowflake and I hug trees and don’t wash regularly, but when 
> deciding on things I prefer facts to opinions, which of course you are 
> entitled to have and express on an open forum.  Of course you don’t like 
> facts and stats that contradict your opinions, who does, but just ignoring 
> them and accusing others of getting upset is a bit rich (pun intended).  If 
> you think 16% is “frequent” in the context of a fast flowing match against 
> committed (albeit limited) opponents, can you give us an example of the stats 
> you would expect from an ABOVE average player, one that would reduce the pain 
> you say you feel from watching one of our most improved and committed 
> players?  C’mon Rich, we all know your schtick on here & Twitter is to be 
> angry and contrarian to wind people up, but you’re amongst friends here, just 
> once, just for us, crack and smile and gives us a WHOOP – promise we won’t 
> tell anyone.
> 
> From: Richard Walker mailto:richleed...@yahoo.co.uk>>
> Sent: 14 August 2019 10:37
> To: leeds list (leedslist@gn.apc.org) 
> mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>; Richard Naef 
> mailto:rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk>>
> Subject: Re: [LU] Kalvin Phillips' averageness in stats.
> 
> stats are stats and looking at those they mean nothing. For instance they 
> don't include his shot that went over the stand in the first half.
> 
> I'd prefer to go with what I saw and overall I thought Philips did ok with a 
> definite improvement in the second half with one or two really good passes.
> 
> First half though, he was dreadful. His passing was all over the place, 
> frequently giving the ball away (that must have been the 16% inaccurate 
> passes). The most worrying thing is when he got done for pace by Towell and 
> you could see he just didn't have the acceleration to recover.
> 
> I like Philips, he's a local lad and he's doing ok at this moment in time but 
> let's have a reality check. Some fans are saying he could be England captain 
> whereas I think he's a good championship player and would struggle in the PL.
> 
> It makes

Re: [LU] Fwd: Kalvin Phillips' averageness in stats.

2019-08-14 Thread Richard Naef 
Nah, obvs he was aiming for the goal.

Sent from my Mobile.


From: Leedslist  on behalf of Nick 

Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2019 3:55:01 PM
To: Leeds List 
Subject: [LU] Fwd: Kalvin Phillips' averageness in stats.

that 60 yarder for Bamford to spoon just wide on Saturday was Hoddlesque 
(without the god bothering)

> Begin forwarded message:
>
> From: Richard Naef 
> Subject: Re: [LU] Kalvin Phillips' averageness in stats.
> Date: 14 August 2019 at 15:39:30 BST
> To: Nicholas Armit , Richard Walker 
> , "leeds list (leedslist@gn.apc.org)" 
> 
>
> If you don't try difficult things and occasionally fail (16%) then what's the 
> point. Perhaps some of the 16% did cause problems but that's what the other 
> 10 players are for and Bielsa isn't going to criticise him for that.
>
> I think Dave made the point that comparing Batty to Macca was pointless as 
> there attempts at passing were of completely different types.  KP is a 
> defensive midfielder, very little gets through BUT he also sets up counter 
> attacks and plays defence splitting passes.  If you think he's average your 
> are entitled to your opinion, but I just think that's  plain wrong and not 
> born out by the facts of last season or the beginning of this, maybe you need 
> to amend your expectations of a top championship DM? Who are you comparing 
> him with?
>
> Sent from my Mobile.
>
> 
> From: Nicholas Armit 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2019 3:07:22 PM
> To: Richard Walker ; leeds list 
> (leedslist@gn.apc.org) ; Richard Naef 
> 
> Subject: Re: [LU] Kalvin Phillips' averageness in stats.
>
> I recommend you watch again Richard and actually look for the passes he gave 
> away. They were problematic.
>
> Phillips has come on leaps and bounds but he does have issues.
>
> Nick
>
> On Wednesday, August 14, 2019, 09:56:57 AM EDT, Richard Naef 
>  wrote:
>
>
> LOL.  15 long passes, 84 Medium and Short.
>
> Sent from my Mobile.
>
> 
> From: Nicholas Armit 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2019 2:47:35 PM
> To: Richard Walker ; leeds list 
> (leedslist@gn.apc.org) ; Richard Naef 
> 
> Subject: Re: [LU] Kalvin Phillips' averageness in stats.
>
> Most of the game Phillips sat in midfield with noone anywhere near him. 
> During the game I told the boy I could sit there and do that too and give the 
> ball away less (some hyperbole there of course). With Rich a bit here, stats 
> do not tell everything. 100 short passes looks great and is not necessarily a 
> bad thing but when 4/5 through balls go straight to the other side and sets 
> up their attack there is nothing wrong with pointing that out.
>
> Nick
>
> On Wednesday, August 14, 2019, 05:48:08 AM EDT, Richard Naef 
>  wrote:
>
>
> I’m definitely a snowflake and I hug trees and don’t wash regularly, but when 
> deciding on things I prefer facts to opinions, which of course you are 
> entitled to have and express on an open forum.  Of course you don’t like 
> facts and stats that contradict your opinions, who does, but just ignoring 
> them and accusing others of getting upset is a bit rich (pun intended).  If 
> you think 16% is “frequent” in the context of a fast flowing match against 
> committed (albeit limited) opponents, can you give us an example of the stats 
> you would expect from an ABOVE average player, one that would reduce the pain 
> you say you feel from watching one of our most improved and committed 
> players?  C’mon Rich, we all know your schtick on here & Twitter is to be 
> angry and contrarian to wind people up, but you’re amongst friends here, just 
> once, just for us, crack and smile and gives us a WHOOP – promise we won’t 
> tell anyone.
>
> From: Richard Walker mailto:richleed...@yahoo.co.uk>>
> Sent: 14 August 2019 10:37
> To: leeds list (leedslist@gn.apc.org) 
> mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>; Richard Naef 
> mailto:rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk>>
> Subject: Re: [LU] Kalvin Phillips' averageness in stats.
>
> stats are stats and looking at those they mean nothing. For instance they 
> don't include his shot that went over the stand in the first half.
>
> I'd prefer to go with what I saw and overall I thought Philips did ok with a 
> definite improvement in the second half with one or two really good passes.
>
> First half though, he was dreadful. His passing was all over the place, 
> frequently giving the ball away (that must have been the 16% inaccurate 
> passes). The most worrying thing is when he got done for pace by Towell and 
> you could see he just didn't have the acceleration to recover.
>
> I like Philips, he's a local lad and he's doing ok at this moment in time but 
> let's have a reality check. Some fans are saying he could be England captain 
> whereas I think he's a good championship player and would struggle in the PL.
>
> It makes me laugh when fans get all upset when you point out a player's 
> faults in a match and get

Re: [LU] Fwd: Kalvin Phillips' averageness in stats.

2019-08-14 Thread Robert Heath 
Another snowflake (whatever that means) writes: Yeah, and the fact that
that kid with a horrible haircut outpaced Phillips on that break is
actually a point in his favour...he was shown there to be not
exactly turbospeed, but the very fact that he is so rarely caught out in
situations like that is a tribute to his positioning and anticipation.

On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 5:11 PM Simon McNally  wrote:

> I think it’s a fair point. You’d think that Forshaw’s passing stats would
> look quite good because all he ever does is pass slowly sideways and
> backwards. Sometimes he even manages to mess that up though. I imagine if
> Kalvin is attempting risky long range passes it’s because Bielsa has told
> him to.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On 14 Aug 2019, at 15:55, Nick  wrote:
> >
> > that 60 yarder for Bamford to spoon just wide on Saturday was Hoddlesque
> (without the god bothering)
> >
> >> Begin forwarded message:
> >>
> >> From: Richard Naef 
> >> Subject: Re: [LU] Kalvin Phillips' averageness in stats.
> >> Date: 14 August 2019 at 15:39:30 BST
> >> To: Nicholas Armit , Richard Walker <
> richleed...@yahoo.co.uk>, "leeds list (leedslist@gn.apc.org)" <
> leedslist@gn.apc.org>
> >>
> >> If you don't try difficult things and occasionally fail (16%) then
> what's the point. Perhaps some of the 16% did cause problems but that's
> what the other 10 players are for and Bielsa isn't going to criticise him
> for that.
> >>
> >> I think Dave made the point that comparing Batty to Macca was pointless
> as there attempts at passing were of completely different types.  KP is a
> defensive midfielder, very little gets through BUT he also sets up counter
> attacks and plays defence splitting passes.  If you think he's average your
> are entitled to your opinion, but I just think that's  plain wrong and not
> born out by the facts of last season or the beginning of this, maybe you
> need to amend your expectations of a top championship DM? Who are you
> comparing him with?
> >>
> >> Sent from my Mobile.
> >>
> >> 
> >> From: Nicholas Armit 
> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2019 3:07:22 PM
> >> To: Richard Walker ; leeds list (
> leedslist@gn.apc.org) ; Richard Naef <
> rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk>
> >> Subject: Re: [LU] Kalvin Phillips' averageness in stats.
> >>
> >> I recommend you watch again Richard and actually look for the passes he
> gave away. They were problematic.
> >>
> >> Phillips has come on leaps and bounds but he does have issues.
> >>
> >> Nick
> >>
> >> On Wednesday, August 14, 2019, 09:56:57 AM EDT, Richard Naef <
> rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> LOL.  15 long passes, 84 Medium and Short.
> >>
> >> Sent from my Mobile.
> >>
> >> 
> >> From: Nicholas Armit 
> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2019 2:47:35 PM
> >> To: Richard Walker ; leeds list (
> leedslist@gn.apc.org) ; Richard Naef <
> rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk>
> >> Subject: Re: [LU] Kalvin Phillips' averageness in stats.
> >>
> >> Most of the game Phillips sat in midfield with noone anywhere near him.
> During the game I told the boy I could sit there and do that too and give
> the ball away less (some hyperbole there of course). With Rich a bit here,
> stats do not tell everything. 100 short passes looks great and is not
> necessarily a bad thing but when 4/5 through balls go straight to the other
> side and sets up their attack there is nothing wrong with pointing that out.
> >>
> >> Nick
> >>
> >> On Wednesday, August 14, 2019, 05:48:08 AM EDT, Richard Naef <
> rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> I’m definitely a snowflake and I hug trees and don’t wash regularly,
> but when deciding on things I prefer facts to opinions, which of course you
> are entitled to have and express on an open forum.  Of course you don’t
> like facts and stats that contradict your opinions, who does, but just
> ignoring them and accusing others of getting upset is a bit rich (pun
> intended).  If you think 16% is “frequent” in the context of a fast flowing
> match against committed (albeit limited) opponents, can you give us an
> example of the stats you would expect from an ABOVE average player, one
> that would reduce the pain you say you feel from watching one of our most
> improved and committed players?  C’mon Rich, we all know your schtick on
> here & Twitter is to be angry and contrarian to wind people up, but you’re
> amongst friends here, just once, just for us, crack and smile and gives us
> a WHOOP – promise we won’t tell anyone.
> >>
> >> From: Richard Walker  richleed...@yahoo.co.uk>>
> >> Sent: 14 August 2019 10:37
> >> To: leeds list (leedslist@gn.apc.org) <
> leedslist@gn.apc.org>; Richard Naef <
> rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk>
> >> Subject: Re: [LU] Kalvin Phillips' averageness in stats.
> >>
> >> stats are stats and looking at those

Re: [LU] Fwd: Kalvin Phillips' averageness in stats.

2019-08-14 Thread Simon McNally 
I think it’s a fair point. You’d think that Forshaw’s passing stats would look 
quite good because all he ever does is pass slowly sideways and backwards. 
Sometimes he even manages to mess that up though. I imagine if Kalvin is 
attempting risky long range passes it’s because Bielsa has told him to.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 14 Aug 2019, at 15:55, Nick  wrote:
> 
> that 60 yarder for Bamford to spoon just wide on Saturday was Hoddlesque 
> (without the god bothering)
> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>> From: Richard Naef 
>> Subject: Re: [LU] Kalvin Phillips' averageness in stats.
>> Date: 14 August 2019 at 15:39:30 BST
>> To: Nicholas Armit , Richard Walker 
>> , "leeds list (leedslist@gn.apc.org)" 
>> 
>> 
>> If you don't try difficult things and occasionally fail (16%) then what's 
>> the point. Perhaps some of the 16% did cause problems but that's what the 
>> other 10 players are for and Bielsa isn't going to criticise him for that.
>> 
>> I think Dave made the point that comparing Batty to Macca was pointless as 
>> there attempts at passing were of completely different types.  KP is a 
>> defensive midfielder, very little gets through BUT he also sets up counter 
>> attacks and plays defence splitting passes.  If you think he's average your 
>> are entitled to your opinion, but I just think that's  plain wrong and not 
>> born out by the facts of last season or the beginning of this, maybe you 
>> need to amend your expectations of a top championship DM? Who are you 
>> comparing him with?
>> 
>> Sent from my Mobile.
>> 
>> 
>> From: Nicholas Armit 
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2019 3:07:22 PM
>> To: Richard Walker ; leeds list 
>> (leedslist@gn.apc.org) ; Richard Naef 
>> 
>> Subject: Re: [LU] Kalvin Phillips' averageness in stats.
>> 
>> I recommend you watch again Richard and actually look for the passes he gave 
>> away. They were problematic.
>> 
>> Phillips has come on leaps and bounds but he does have issues.
>> 
>> Nick
>> 
>> On Wednesday, August 14, 2019, 09:56:57 AM EDT, Richard Naef 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> LOL.  15 long passes, 84 Medium and Short.
>> 
>> Sent from my Mobile.
>> 
>> 
>> From: Nicholas Armit 
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2019 2:47:35 PM
>> To: Richard Walker ; leeds list 
>> (leedslist@gn.apc.org) ; Richard Naef 
>> 
>> Subject: Re: [LU] Kalvin Phillips' averageness in stats.
>> 
>> Most of the game Phillips sat in midfield with noone anywhere near him. 
>> During the game I told the boy I could sit there and do that too and give 
>> the ball away less (some hyperbole there of course). With Rich a bit here, 
>> stats do not tell everything. 100 short passes looks great and is not 
>> necessarily a bad thing but when 4/5 through balls go straight to the other 
>> side and sets up their attack there is nothing wrong with pointing that out.
>> 
>> Nick
>> 
>> On Wednesday, August 14, 2019, 05:48:08 AM EDT, Richard Naef 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I’m definitely a snowflake and I hug trees and don’t wash regularly, but 
>> when deciding on things I prefer facts to opinions, which of course you are 
>> entitled to have and express on an open forum.  Of course you don’t like 
>> facts and stats that contradict your opinions, who does, but just ignoring 
>> them and accusing others of getting upset is a bit rich (pun intended).  If 
>> you think 16% is “frequent” in the context of a fast flowing match against 
>> committed (albeit limited) opponents, can you give us an example of the 
>> stats you would expect from an ABOVE average player, one that would reduce 
>> the pain you say you feel from watching one of our most improved and 
>> committed players?  C’mon Rich, we all know your schtick on here & Twitter 
>> is to be angry and contrarian to wind people up, but you’re amongst friends 
>> here, just once, just for us, crack and smile and gives us a WHOOP – promise 
>> we won’t tell anyone.
>> 
>> From: Richard Walker 
>> mailto:richleed...@yahoo.co.uk>>
>> Sent: 14 August 2019 10:37
>> To: leeds list (leedslist@gn.apc.org) 
>> mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>; Richard Naef 
>> mailto:rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk>>
>> Subject: Re: [LU] Kalvin Phillips' averageness in stats.
>> 
>> stats are stats and looking at those they mean nothing. For instance they 
>> don't include his shot that went over the stand in the first half.
>> 
>> I'd prefer to go with what I saw and overall I thought Philips did ok with a 
>> definite improvement in the second half with one or two really good passes.
>> 
>> First half though, he was dreadful. His passing was all over the place, 
>> frequently giving the ball away (that must have been the 16% inaccurate 
>> passes). The most worrying thing is when he got done for pace by Towell and 
>> you could see he just didn't have the acceleration to recover.
>> 
>> I like Philips, he's a local lad and he's doing ok at this moment in time 
>> but let's have a