from:"'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills"

Re: Things You Should Know

2024-09-25 Thread &#x27;Curt George&#x27; via Legacy Ornamental Mills

 Yes I have a Vicmarc.  + two Nova's , and a Pen State.
And as I said earlier, the Legacy Drive dogs are what I use most of the time.On 
all my equipment. the chucks only get used every blue moon. I find it much 
easer to use the dogs, they take up less room, do not slip and I can use them 
on both of my Legacy's and my Shop Smith.
Bye the way, not trying to switch topic's. but.  Have you heard form you laser 
guy for processing more drive dogs?
C.A.G.
On Wednesday, September 25, 2024 at 10:29:51 PM EDT, Tim Ziegler 
 wrote:  
 
 You don't have a Vicmarc?
Kind Regards,
Timothy J. ZieglerZiegler WoodWork & SpecialtyZiegler Laser Worx LLC14171 160th 
Ave.Foreston MN 56330
320-294-5798 shop320-630-2243 cell

On Wed, Sep 25, 2024 at 5:09 PM  wrote:


I would buy one if didn’t have the 4 nova and one Record Power SC1 mini chucks 

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Wednesday, 25 September 2024 11:12 PM
To: LOM Group 
Subject: Re: Things You Should Know

 

Hey Curt. I really like it. It's absolutely the fastest Chuck for changes 
etc... It's super smooth. Top quality and yes very worth the money. 

 

I really need one more for change over times etc...

 

 

More later

 

Kind regards 

 

Tim  J Ziegler 

 

On Wed, Sep 25, 2024, 7:25 AM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 wrote:


Wow, they are doing Demo's again. That's Awesome!

The only problem is, they are not coming to my area. ;-(

 

So Tim.  How do you like the Easy Chuck? It looks nice. But 

is it worth the price? 

 

C.A.G.

 

On Wednesday, September 25, 2024 at 07:01:33 AM EDT, Tim Ziegler 
 wrote: 

 

 

Some good stuff I thought I would share. 

I have their Easy Wood Chuck along with several of their Lathe tools. 

I really like them. Great tools and great people. 

Check them out if you have not already. 


Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

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SEPTEMBER
   
   - 9/28 @ 11am - Rockler Store in Schaumburg, IL. - Live Demo by Tony Palumbo 
   - 9/28 @ 10am - Rockler Store in Fairfax, VA. - Live Demo by David Welch 
   - 9/28 @ 11am - Woodcraft Store in Nashville, TN. - Live Demo by Jean Cline 
   - 9/28 @ 10am - Rockler Store in Beaverton-Hillsdale, OR. - Live demo by 
Betty Simnitt 
   - 9/28 - Rockler Store in Brentwood, TN. - Live Demo by John Anderson 
   - 9/28 @ 10am - Rockler Store in Buffalo, NY. - Live Demo by John Morris 
   - 9/28 @ 10am - Rockler Store in San Antonio, TX. - Live Demo by James 
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   - 9/29 @ 11am - Rockler Store in Brookfield, WI. - Live Demo by Tony Palumbo 

 

 

OCTOBER
   
   - 10/1 @ 6:30pm - Waxhaw Woodturners in Matthews, NC. - Live Demo by John 
Walsh 
   - 10/5-10/5 - Aurora Farmers Fair in Aurora, IN. - Live Demo by Don Roden 
   - 10/4-10/5 - Fall Mann Tool Event in W. Columbia, SC. - Live Demo by David 
Fellows 
   - 10/5 @ 12pm - Woodcraft Store in Chattanooga, TN. - Live Demo by Rich 
Urban 
   - 10/9 @ 9am - South Carolina State Fair in Columbia, SC. - Live Demo by 
David Fellows 
   - 10/10 @ 6pm - ShowMe Woodturners in Festus, MO. - Live Demo by Robert 
Conaway 
   - 10/11 @ 10am - Rockler Store in Cary, NC. - Live Demo by Markus Howell 
   - 10/12 - Rockler Store in St. Louis, MO. - Live Demo by Rob Conaway 
   - 10/12 @ 9am - Rockler Store in Houston, TX. - Live Demo by Brandon Branch 
   - 10/12 @ 11am-

Re: Today's bone project

2024-09-25 Thread &#x27;Curt George&#x27; via Legacy Ornamental Mills

Thanks Tim.
I'm going stir crazy, being stuck in the house. My wife is not happy with me,
but Idid as the doctor said. no lifting more then 10 lbs. for a week.
Tomorrow's doctor appointment should give me the all's clear, then I can go
back to work/playin the shop like I want to do. ;-)
C.A.G.
On Wednesday, September 25, 2024 at 06:54:49 PM EDT, Tim Ziegler
wrote:

looks great though Curt. Way to go.
Kind Regards,
Timothy J. ZieglerZiegler WoodWork & SpecialtyZiegler Laser Worx LLC14171 160th
Ave.Foreston MN 56330
320-294-5798 shop320-630-2243 cell

On Wed, Sep 25, 2024 at 5:00 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
wrote:

Woops! I hit send when I was trying to post some photo's. (sorry about that.)
;-)
Not much for show and tell. but gluing up 16 blanks takes up a lot of time. The
whiter blanks on the right were what I did today. the others are left from my
lastglue up. 24 blanks that are all 1"x 5". I have enough disks to make appx. 1
perhaps 2 more blanks (in the Chewy dog box plastic bin), but I'm out of brass
rods for the center at this moment.I still have a bucket of bones that have
been split and are ready for the hole saw and diskmaking process. but that
topic is for another day's adventure. ;-)
Any question and or idea's. Please feel free to chime on in any time.talk to
you all more latter.
C.A.G.On Wednesday, September 25, 2024 at 05:41:00 PM EDT, Curt George
wrote:

Hi Everyone.
Got some shop time today.I glued up 16 new bone blanks, for future bone
ventures.

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Re: Things You Should Know

2024-09-25 Thread &#x27;Curt George&#x27; via Legacy Ornamental Mills

 Hey Bill
I agree,  Easy tool comp. is top notch. I do like there tools a lot.
My only question on this QC jaw chuck, was how it compare's with the other big 
woodworking tool company's out there chuck's. (I own Nova and Pen State brands 
for my chucks.) The Funny part here is, I still prefer Legacy's drive dogs over 
any chuck that I own.But that's me. ;-)
more latter.
C.A.G. 

On Wednesday, September 25, 2024 at 05:41:13 PM EDT, 
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I have lots of their tools but not the chucks very good high quality prfoducts

  

Bill

  

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Wednesday, 25 September 2024 9:01 PM
To: LOM Group 
Subject: Fwd: Things You Should Know

  

Some good stuff I thought I would share. 

I have their Easy Wood Chuck along with several of their Lathe tools. 

I really like them. Great tools and great people. 

Check them out if you have not already. 


Kind Regards,

  

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

  

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

  

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   - 9/28 @ 11am - Rockler Store in Schaumburg, IL. - Live Demo by Tony Palumbo 
   - 9/28 @ 10am - Rockler Store in Fairfax, VA. - Live Demo by David Welch 
   - 9/28 @ 11am - Woodcraft Store in Nashville, TN. - Live Demo by Jean Cline 
   - 9/28 @ 10am - Rockler Store in Beaverton-Hillsdale, OR. - Live demo by 
Betty Simnitt 
   - 9/28 - Rockler Store in Brentwood, TN. - Live Demo by John Anderson 
   - 9/28 @ 10am - Rockler Store in Buffalo, NY. - Live Demo by John Morris 
   - 9/28 @ 10am - Rockler Store in San Antonio, TX. - Live Demo by James 
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   - 9/29 @ 11am - Rockler Store in Brookfield, WI. - Live Demo by Tony Palumbo 

  

  

OCTOBER
   
   - 10/1 @ 6:30pm - Waxhaw Woodturners in Matthews, NC. - Live Demo by John 
Walsh 
   - 10/5-10/5 - Aurora Farmers Fair in Aurora, IN. - Live Demo by Don Roden 
   - 10/4-10/5 - Fall Mann Tool Event in W. Columbia, SC. - Live Demo by David 
Fellows 
   - 10/5 @ 12pm - Woodcraft Store in Chattanooga, TN. - Live Demo by Rich 
Urban 
   - 10/9 @ 9am - South Carolina State Fair in Columbia, SC. - Live Demo by 
David Fellows 
   - 10/10 @ 6pm - ShowMe Woodturners in Festus, MO. - Live Demo by Robert 
Conaway 
   - 10/11 @ 10am - Rockler Store in Cary, NC. - Live Demo by Markus Howell 
   - 10/12 - Rockler Store in St. Louis, MO. - Live Demo by Rob Conaway 
   - 10/12 @ 9am - Rockler Store in Houston, TX. - Live Demo by Brandon Branch 
   - 10/12 @ 11am- Woodcraft Store in Colorado Springs, CO. - Live Demo by 
Jesse Horn 
   - 10/12 - Woodworkers Expo at MN State Fairgrounds Progress Center - Live 
Demo by Doug Dixon 
   - 10/12 @ 10am - Rockler Store in Round Rock, TX. - Live Demo by Jim 
Brinkman 
   - 10/13 @ 11am - Rockler Store in Burnsville, MN. - Live Demo by Doug Dixon 
   - 10/13 @ 11am - Rockler Store in Denver, CO. - Live Demo by Jesse Horn 
   - 10/19 @ 9am - Woodcraft Store in Fern Park, FL. Live Demo by Ray Fallen 
   - 10/19 @ 10am - Rockler Store in San Antonio, TX. - Live Demo by James 
Carter 
   - 10/19 @ 9am - Mark's Machinery Store in Ft. Smith, AR. - Live Demo by 
Jesse Horn 
   - 10/19 @ 9am - Rockler Store in Frisco, TX. - Live Demo by Todd Fipps 
   - 10/19 @ 9am - Rockler Store in Arlington, TX. - Live Demo by Doug Dixon 
   - 10/19 @ 9am - Woodcraft Store in Birmingham, AL. - Live Demo by Nathan 
McCollim 
   - 10/25-10/26 - Klingspors Woodworking Extravaganza in Hickory, NC. - Live 
Demo by John Walsh

Today's bone project

2024-09-25 Thread &#x27;Curt George&#x27; via Legacy Ornamental Mills

Hi Everyone.
Got some shop time today.I glued up 16 new bone blanks, for future bone 
ventures.

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Re: Things You Should Know

2024-09-25 Thread &#x27;Curt George&#x27; via Legacy Ornamental Mills

 Wow, they are doing Demo's again. That's Awesome!The only problem is, they are 
not coming to my area. ;-(
So Tim.  How do you like the Easy Chuck? It looks nice. But is it worth the 
price? 
C.A.G.
On Wednesday, September 25, 2024 at 07:01:33 AM EDT, Tim Ziegler 
 wrote:  
 
 Some good stuff I thought I would share. I have their Easy Wood Chuck along 
with several of their Lathe tools. I really like them. Great tools and great 
people. Check them out if you have not already. 
Kind Regards,
Timothy J. ZieglerZiegler WoodWork & SpecialtyZiegler Laser Worx LLC14171 160th 
Ave.Foreston MN 56330
320-294-5798 shop320-630-2243 cell

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   - JOHNSON BROTHERS TIMBERLINE/TIMPTOOLS(AMAZON) - 20% OFF EWT TURNING TOOLS 
& CUTTERS (9/22 - 9/30)



   
   - THE WOODTURNING STORE - 10% OFF EWT TURNING TOOLS & CUTTERS (9/22 - 10/22)



   
   - CRAFT SUPPLIES USA - 15% OFF EWT TOOLS & CUTTERS WITH FREE SHIPPING ON 
ORDER $50 OR MORE (9/23 - 10/2)

EVENTS




SEPTEMBER
   
   - 9/28 @ 11am - Rockler Store in Schaumburg, IL. - Live Demo by Tony Palumbo
   - 9/28 @ 10am - Rockler Store in Fairfax, VA. - Live Demo by David Welch
   - 9/28 @ 11am - Woodcraft Store in Nashville, TN. - Live Demo by Jean Cline
   - 9/28 @ 10am - Rockler Store in Beaverton-Hillsdale, OR. - Live demo by 
Betty Simnitt
   - 9/28 - Rockler Store in Brentwood, TN. - Live Demo by John Anderson
   - 9/28 @ 10am - Rockler Store in Buffalo, NY. - Live Demo by John Morris
   - 9/28 @ 10am - Rockler Store in San Antonio, TX. - Live Demo by James Carter
   - 9/29 @ 11am - Rockler Store in Brookfield, WI. - Live Demo by Tony Palumbo







OCTOBER
   
   - 10/1 @ 6:30pm - Waxhaw Woodturners in Matthews, NC. - Live Demo by John 
Walsh
   - 10/5-10/5 - Aurora Farmers Fair in Aurora, IN. - Live Demo by Don Roden
   - 10/4-10/5 - Fall Mann Tool Event in W. Columbia, SC. - Live Demo by David 
Fellows
   - 10/5 @ 12pm - Woodcraft Store in Chattanooga, TN. - Live Demo by Rich Urban
   - 10/9 @ 9am - South Carolina State Fair in Columbia, SC. - Live Demo by 
David Fellows
   - 10/10 @ 6pm - ShowMe Woodturners in Festus, MO. - Live Demo by Robert 
Conaway
   - 10/11 @ 10am - Rockler Store in Cary, NC. - Live Demo by Markus Howell
   - 10/12 - Rockler Store in St. Louis, MO. - Live Demo by Rob Conaway
   - 10/12 @ 9am - Rockler Store in Houston, TX. - Live Demo by Brandon Branch
   - 10/12 @ 11am- Woodcraft Store in Colorado Springs, CO. - Live Demo by 
Jesse Horn
   - 10/12 - Woodworkers Expo at MN State Fairgrounds Progress Center - Live 
Demo by Doug Dixon
   - 10/12 @ 10am - Rockler Store in Round Rock, TX. - Live Demo by Jim Brinkman
   - 10/13 @ 11am - Rockler Store in Burnsville, MN. - Live Demo by Doug Dixon
   - 10/13 @ 11am - Rockler Store in Denver, CO. - Live Demo by Jesse Horn
   - 10/19 @ 9am - Woodcraft Store in Fern Park, FL. Live Demo by Ray Fallen
   - 10/19 @ 10am - Rockler Store in San Antonio, TX. - Live Demo by James 
Carter
   - 10/19 @ 9am - Mark's Machinery Store in Ft. Smith, AR. - Live Demo by 
Jesse Horn
   - 10/19 @ 9am - Rockler Store in Frisco, TX. - Live Demo by Todd Fipps
   - 10/19 @ 9am - Rockler Store in Arlington, TX. - Live Demo by Doug Dixon
   - 10/19 @ 9am - Woodcraft Store in Birmingham, AL. - Live Demo by Nathan 
McCollim
   - 10/25-10/26 - Klingspors Woodworking Extravaganza in Hickory, NC. - Live 
Demo by John Walsh

NOVEMBER
   
   - 11/2-11/3 - Virginia Woodturning Symposium in Fisherville, VA. - 
Represented by BG Artforms
   - 11/2 @ 1pm - Woodcraft Store in Tulsa, OK. - Live Demo by Jesse Horn
   - 11/2 - Woodcraft Store in Greenville, SC. - Live Demo by David Fellows
   - 11/6 @ 10AM - Woodcraft Store in Kansas City - Live Demo by Mark Dreyer
   - 11/9 @ 10AM - Woodcraft Store in Woodridge, IL. - Live Demo by Mark Dreyer
   - 11/9 @ Rockler Store in St. Louis, MO. - Live Demo by Jesse Horn
   - 11/15-11/17 - North of England/Harrogate Show in The UK - Liv

Re: New feed screw opens up range of pitches

2024-09-24 Thread &#x27;Curt George&#x27; via Legacy Ornamental Mills

Good deal Dan.
Cant wait to see how it works. getting a smooth flat cut will become much
easer form not on.
The Next thing you need to be us make new indexing charts for your gears. a x4
gear set will become your standard... ;-)
C.A.G.
On Tuesday, September 24, 2024 at 06:53:41 PM EDT, cdkr...@gmail.com
wrote:

I had one nut that would fit, and I cut a slot in it (as you suggest) so I
could hold the rod in my lathe to bore and thread the holes that hold the
extensions on. Didn't think to run it down the rod like a die. But the file
worked out really well and combined with the very fine abrasive brush did a
very nice clean up job. Then I ran the threaded delrin nut down and back after
thoroughly lubing with silicone.
DanK

On Tuesday, September 24, 2024 at 6:17:18 PM UTC-4 Curt George wrote:

Hey Dan
It might be a day late and a dollar short.But since you do not own a die for
3/4 -16. you could use a nut.make a cut in one side of the nut. then use that
as a die. You will be surprisedon how well it will work to clean up the
threads. (and if you wanted to go slightly deeperyou could use vice grips
plyers to hold and press on the edges to make the fit even tighter.)You might
also want to take some steel wool or a scotch-bright pad over the screw to
remove anyburrs. before you assemble the leadscrew.
Best of luck.I cant wait to hear how this turns out for you.
C.A.G.
On Tuesday, September 24, 2024 at 04:43:48 PM EDT, cdkr...@gmail.com
wrote:

Cleaned up the new feed screw and ran a small extra fine triangular file the
entire length. Look at the shavings! At 100 rpm that took almost 6 minutes!
Fingers got really tired. Then I ran the abrasive brush over the length while
spinning, another tedious task. Drilled and tapped the delrin block. Need
tomachine the block and split it to fit and lock in place. Then on to calculate
some ratios for test cuts. DanK
On Monday, September 23, 2024 at 10:10:06 PM UTC-4 Tim Ziegler wrote:

Look forward to what you come up with Dan
Kind Regards,
Timothy J. ZieglerZiegler WoodWork & SpecialtyZiegler Laser Worx LLC14171 160th
Ave.Foreston MN 56330
320-294-5798 shop320-630-2243 cell
On Mon, Sep 23, 2024 at 8:28 PM cdkr...@gmail.com wrote:

I do have the tap but not the die for 3/4-16. I'm not sure how the tap will
help the rod though. ;) I can do the brass nut if needed. Methinks what the
delrin lacks in depth may be made up by quantity. I'm more concerned about the
60° thread flexing the rod under pressure without a backup block. We'll see-- a
bit of poke and hope. DanK

On Monday, September 23, 2024 at 9:15:46 PM UTC-4 Tim Ziegler wrote:

Sounds some good advice for sure.
Kind Regards,
Timothy J. ZieglerZiegler WoodWork & SpecialtyZiegler Laser Worx LLC14171 160th
Ave.Foreston MN 56330
320-294-5798 shop320-630-2243 cell
On Mon, Sep 23, 2024 at 7:53 PM Okla Mike (Liltwisted)
wrote:

Looking good for some really tight pitches. As for delrin, I say no. Threads
are to shallow to give it anything to pull against. I would get a brass nut
and split it for the job Then on the screw, I would run a tap down it and then
polish it with a wire brush wheel.

Good Luck

Mike OK

On 9/23/2024 4:02 PM, cdkr...@gmail.com wrote:

Ordered a 3/4-16 x 36" UNF all thread to alternate with the 4 TPI stock feed
screw when needed. The original screw is 37 1/4" long, so I turned some plugs
and threaded them into the ends of the 3/4" screw. They swap out very quickly
and the larger diameter doesn't present any problems. Yet. Now making the
split nut. This will make for some nice options: a pitch suitable for feeding
heavy cuts like "rounding" the blank, quite a range of wooden threads, more
accurate positioning for box joints and dovetails. These are 60° tapered
threads so any backlash can be eliminated by more pressure on the split nut. I
am concerned that the zinc plating has accentuated any thread milling
roughness, so I may run a file over it while spinning on my lathe.

DanK
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Re: New feed screw opens up range of pitches

2024-09-23 Thread &#x27;Curt George&#x27; via Legacy Ornamental Mills

HI Dan
I went with a 5/8-8 vs the 5/8-4 (the original acme screw that came with the
Legacy.) I had very good results with this change over.Your 3/4-16 reduce your
pitch by 4 x, As Mike said those are some small pitches. Getting a very clean
cut will be much easer to do with those kind of pitches.On the good side,
3/4-16 is a very common size/thread pitch. making a split nut out of Brass or
steel should not be hard to do.I cant wait to hear how it works out for you. ;-)
C.A.G.
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On Monday, September 23, 2024 at 9:15:46 PM UTC-4 Tim Ziegler wrote:

Good Luck

Mike OK

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Video. Making a better Spanner wrench

2024-09-23 Thread &#x27;Curt George&#x27; via Legacy Ornamental Mills

Hello. This a lathe / machining video, Its pretty straight forwardAny Legacy 
user could do pretty much the same things.(perhaps even better then he did?)I 
did enjoy watching his video. (He has a number of good videos that I feel many 
in the group would like to see. I recommend that you check them out.)
Have a good day.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aG1-R7utTO0&t=603s

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Re: What do you think of this jig?

2024-09-21 Thread &#x27;Curt George&#x27; via Legacy Ornamental Mills

Hey Dan.
I thought it was pretty neat, too.Once I get my newest project done, I think I
will be working on this idea.Over all its pretty simple, its the use of this
simple jig that make me think about Even greater possibility's What If you
could hook up some kind of gearing or a method of indexing of the part while
cutting???A world of possibility's could be open to us.
Never stop DREAMING! ;-)
C.A.G.
On Saturday, September 21, 2024 at 09:45:16 PM EDT, cdkr...@gmail.com
wrote:

Wow! That's plain ingenious. It or a close relative may hit the bucket
list!DanK

On Saturday, September 21, 2024 at 6:02:20 PM UTC-4 Ed Trevillian wrote:

Impressive.Ed Trevillian
On Sat, Sep 21, 2024, 5:30 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
wrote:

As I see this. 35% angled jig, connected to the Legacy's headstock, would and
could make some neat things like this jig/ photo are doing in this posting.
C.A.G.
Here is the full article.
https://ok-wood.com.ua/forum/tools/18-izgotovlenie-dekorativnykh-detalej-s-naklonnymi-osyami-tocheniya.html
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To turn parts with inclined relief recesses and planes, use a fixture whose
rotary axis is positioned at an angle to the spindle axis. Experience has shown
that the most expressive profile is possessed by parts with a decorative
element tilt of 50-60 degrees.

Fig. 36.1 shows the general appearance and main dimensions of a fixture with a
constant tilt of the rotary axis equal to 55 degrees. The fixture is attached
to the spindle similarly to the fixture shown in Fig. 33. The main part of the
fixture is a duralumin bracket, in the upper arm of which a through oblong hole
is milled. The rotary axis passed through the hole can be secured in two
positions: in the center of the fixture and with an offset from its central
plane by 3 mm. In the position shown in the lower drawing, the center of the
rotary axis passes through the spindle axis.

The rotary axis with a tightly mounted duralumin disk is machined in the
centers in accordance with the drawing and threads are cut at its ends (Fig.
36.2). 16 divisions are applied along the periphery of the disk, which are
combined with a risk on the chamfer of the bracket end. The central or offset
position of the axis is fixed with bolt M6.

Rigid fastening of the axis in the bracket is carried out with the upper nut
M10.

To eliminate vibration, the device must be balanced. For this purpose, it is
suspended on an edge passing through the axis of rotation. The counterweight is
assembled from separate steel washers and, having achieved equilibrium, they
are secured with bolt M6 (Fig. 36.3). The pre-machined workpiece on the mandrel
is put on the rotary axis and secured with the lower nut M10.

The part rotating together with the entire device can be machined from the
front (Fig. 37.1) or side (Fig. 38.1) entry of the cutter.

In order that the free end of the rotary axis does not touch the tool holder,
the cutters fixed in it are installed with a significant overhang (Fig. 37.2).
In this case, the shaped cutters made of thin plates are duplicated with a
thick lining.

With the front entry of the cutter, the part has a narrow cutting zone, but it
is quite sufficient to make a profiled groove on the rotating part with the
shaped cutter. Frontal machining of the part with the central or offset
positions of the rotary axis in the bracket hole forms two completely different
reliefs.

If the rotary axis is installed in the center of the bracket (Fig. 37.3A), a
circular recess is cut with a shaped cutter, and the profile obtained on the
surface of the part will be symmetrical relative to the spindle rotation axis
(Fig. 37.3B). The links of the cut relief are made up of two ridges of adjacent
recesses. The part is processed only in the transverse direction, with a small
and smooth feed of the cutter. After turning all 16 recesses, the surface of
the product will acquire a finished diamond-shaped relief. Parts of this
profile are turned from very strong types of wood.

If the rotary axis is offset (Fig. 37.4A), the workpiece is cut off with a
shaped cutter on only one side in one revolution around the spindle axis, and
the cut recess has the form of a half ring (Fig. 37.4B). By turning and fixing
the axis of the product in 16 divisions, 16 half rings are cut, covering the
entire sphere of the part. As in the previous case, the cutter is fed to the
part only in the transverse direction. Since this relief does not have a cross
cut, such parts can be turned from any wood suitable for turning.

The diameter of the workpiece, the outer arc described in one step of its
rotation, and the profile of the shaped cutter must be tied, and their mutual
calculation is made according to a preliminary drawing of the section of the
part.

In the process of cutting out cross or arc reliefs, the upper and

Re: DynaGlide sources - MicroFence

2024-09-20 Thread &#x27;Curt George&#x27; via Legacy Ornamental Mills

 Good morning everyone.
So who did it?  Magnate had the Dyna Glide when I posted this last night, NOW 
its out of stock. ;-p
I also have a store by my home, which sells it. (thanks to me ranting and 
raving about how  good it is.) and It has been a very good seller for 
them.https://glennwing.com/  Glen Wing is a small tool store in Birmingham MI. 
that has been in business since the 40's.  Great place and nice people.

Have a good day everyone.
C.A.G.
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https://www.magnate.net/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=A12WT

  

so they do

  

Bill

  

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Hey Guys

  

Magnate.net sells it ...

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On Thu, Sep 19, 2024, 8:01 PM M.W.Foscue  wrote:


Whomever asked,

(I changed Subj line to be much more appropriate - and easier to find if/when 
doing a search of our Group's pages.)

 

There are several sites that sell it. (Legacy used to - not sure if they still 
do.) 

Do a Bing search for it. 

You may also be able to submit a query on one or more of the router forum sites.

 

Micro-Fence has it for $22/can or $240/case(12 = $20 per can) 

Not sure what postage will be - but, by any measure, it will be less than what 
"Down-Under Bill" would pay!

 

Maybe we can get ZZ-Tim to buy a couple cases and then sell individual cans to 
all of us for $10/can (inclucing postage)!

 

Best of luck!

Mac

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Subject: Re: NOT my works.

 

Can you recommend another dry lube as we don't have dynaGlide anywhere locally 
and after postage $36 seems a little steep.

 

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Re: NOT my works.

2024-09-19 Thread &#x27;Curt George&#x27; via Legacy Ornamental Mills

I have not tried this.
Thanks for the note.
C.A.G.
On Friday, September 20, 2024 at 12:17:52 AM EDT, Oyo Lito
wrote:

Hey Guys I've used this and it seems to work well on my saw blades and shaper
knives. You may want to give it a try. However, I read it's toxic to inheale,
so use ppe...
https://www.amazon.com/DuPont-Non-Stick-Dry-Film-Lubricant-14-Ounce/dp/B00D3G6IFE?source=ps-sl-shoppingads-lpcontext&ref_=fplfs&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER
Oliver
On Thu, Sep 19, 2024, 11:22 PM Joseph Greenleaf wrote:

Looked it up on Google Gemini. It says: "Dynaglide is primarily made from
Dyneema, which is a type of High Modulus Polyethylene (HMPE) fiber known for
its high strength, low stretch, and light weight. It is then typically coated
with polyurethane to enhance its abrasion resistance and gliding
characteristics."Maybe that will help you find a similar product.
Joe G.

On Thu, Sep 19, 2024, 9:20 PM John Von Brandt wrote:

Can you recommend another dry lube as we don't have dynaGlide anywhere locally
and after postage $36 seems a little steep.
On Wed, Sep 18, 2024 at 8:41 AM cdkr...@gmail.com wrote:

Yes, that inspiration is appreciated.DanK

On Wednesday, September 18, 2024 at 7:03:28 AM UTC-4 Tim Ziegler wrote:

Thanks for the added pix.
Kind Regards,
Timothy J. ZieglerZiegler WoodWork & SpecialtyZiegler Laser Worx LLC14171 160th
Ave.Foreston MN 56330
320-294-5798 shop320-630-2243 cell
On Tue, Sep 17, 2024 at 11:37 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
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C.A.G.
On Wednesday, September 18, 2024 at 12:34:28 AM EDT, 'Curt George' via
Legacy Ornamental Mills wrote:

These are not mine. But something that I found on FB Market place.I find
these look like something Any one in the group could make.I like the design and
the look.Just wanted to share the wealth. (so to speak.) ;-)
C.A.G.

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Re: DynaGlide sources - MicroFence

2024-09-19 Thread &#x27;Curt George&#x27; via Legacy Ornamental Mills

 Hey Guys
Magnate.net sells it 
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On Thursday, September 19, 2024 at 10:13:04 PM EDT, John Hennen 
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Legacy sells it for 16 a can or 14 a can if you buy a case

On Thu, Sep 19, 2024, 8:01 PM M.W.Foscue  wrote:


Whomever asked,

(I changed Subj line to be much more appropriate - and easier to find if/when 
doing a search of our Group's pages.)

 

There are several sites that sell it. (Legacy used to - not sure if they still 
do.) 

Do a Bing search for it. 

You may also be able to submit a query on one or more of the router forum sites.

 

Micro-Fence has it for $22/can or $240/case(12 = $20 per can) 

Not sure what postage will be - but, by any measure, it will be less than what 
"Down-Under Bill" would pay!

 

Maybe we can get ZZ-Tim to buy a couple cases and then sell individual cans to 
all of us for $10/can (inclucing postage)!

 

Best of luck!

Mac

-Original Message-
From: 
Sent: Sep 19, 2024 9:20 PM
To: 
Subject: Re: NOT my works.

 
Can you recommend another dry lube as we don't have dynaGlide anywhere locally 
and after postage $36 seems a little steep. 

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Re: Don’t Miss Up to 40% Off on Bandsaw & Accessories! 🤯

2024-09-17 Thread &#x27;Curt George&#x27; via Legacy Ornamental Mills

 Good stuff !  
Thanks Tim.
C.A.G.
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Dances with Aardvarks (VIDEO)

2024-09-16 Thread &#x27;Curt George&#x27; via Legacy Ornamental Mills


Hello Everyone.this is more a lathe technique vs Legacy. But having said that, 
I do think that the Legacy could do something similar.I  thought it was neat! 
so I wanted to share the idea.

Wood turning an Excavated Dodecahedron - Part 1 (youtube.com)

Woodturning Excavated Dodecahedron - Part 2 (youtube.com)

C.A.G.

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Re: Making Stainless steel templates for the Legacy

2024-09-09 Thread &#x27;Curt George&#x27; via Legacy Ornamental Mills

Hello and Good morning everyone.

Although the answer that I wrote to Ken was correct, I would like to add a 
few things to my answer.

I really like to look and feel of bone, (I think it looks like Ivory,) 
Sadly after finding out how well bone turns, and seeing the true beauty of 
this material.  I quickly found that bone just dose not give a person 
enough thickness to turn anything large. So I started 
looking for ways to make bone more usable. This Disk cutting idea, offers a 
lot of possibility's to people like us who want to turn bone.  My videos 
help people understand my method, (I know of a few people who have 
tried it, for them self's. and have had good results.)  If anyone would 
like to know more about this process, Please ask.  For I feel there is no 
better way to improve on an idea, then to have many people look at the 
process and try
to figure out a better way.  Got'a run...

Have a good day. 

C.A.G.



On Sunday, September 8, 2024 at 11:44:43 PM UTC-4 Curt George wrote:

> Hello Ken
>
> Its glued up disks of bone.  
> I have a series called bone turning 101 on Bill's web page. 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJ7gn-shVYA&t=34s each video covers a 
> different detail of the process. 
> The was first was made 3 yrs ago. and part 6, 4 months ago. 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fn-UvXcvsv0
>
> C.A.G.
>
>
>
> On Sunday, September 8, 2024 at 10:34:54 PM EDT, Ken Fisher <
> kfis...@outlook.com> wrote: 
>
>
> Curt,
> What type of bone do you use on your handles. Is it solid or pieces glued 
> together?
>
> Ken
>
>
>
> On Sep 8, 2024 at 4:59 PM,  
> wrote:
>
> Hello Everyone.  
> I guess I got a little carried away. 
> Todays count is 71 templates for my bone handle/ magnifying glass handle 
> templates.
>
> Its a rather simple process, it just takes a few min. and a little thought 
> to make these. 
> The truth is most of these templates were just my paper copy's of what 
> I've seen on the internet.  I go to Google and search (wood handles for 
> example.) then copy and paste the design/photo, that I like onto a piece of 
> paper. form there I check my measurements, and draw the shape onto the SS 
> sheet, with a sharpie marker. 
> The key point of a template is the centerline of the part. from there all 
> the edges can be found and marked out for your template.
>
> Form there is only a simple cut (I use a grinder metal cutting wheel on a 
> hand grinder) and then some filing to the shape that I want to make.( I use 
> the pedestal grinder and hand files mostly.) Once cut out, a wire wheel on 
> my pedestal grinder to remove the burr's. and then drill a hole for hanging 
> in to the board, and we are done.
> I see general shapes only for the template, details can all be added 
> latter. (after all the waist has been removed for your part.)
>
> Once you have a template you will never have to worry about the shape , 
> that recorded in the template, All that you will have to do it figure out 
> what design element you want to add to your spindle to make it unique Like 
> my last posting of the Sep. bone handles, both were made form the same 
> template, all that I had to do is decide on what I wanted to add to the 
> shape. (rope, wave, flute to name a few.)
>
> Here are a few photo's of the templates and some of my more recent 
> turnings. (first it the two that I posted yesterday.)
>
> For any other questions as far as how I use the templates on the lathe and 
> or Legacy. is for another posting.  ;-)
>
> Any questions. Please ask.
>
> Have a good night.
>
> C.A.G.
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Re: A bit from Arkady

2024-09-08 Thread &#x27;Curt George&#x27; via Legacy Ornamental Mills

 I second that.  I miss our talks. let him know that he and his family are in 
our prayers.
C.A.G.
On Sunday, September 8, 2024 at 11:27:52 PM EDT,  
wrote:  
 
 
Some good news and some not so good news for Arkady we all wish him well

  

Bill

  

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Monday, 9 September 2024 12:34 PM
To: LOM Group 
Subject: A bit from Arkady

  

Hey all here are a few words and updates on our friend Arkady. 

  

Germany allowed us to stay here till 04 March 2025.
My LOM is in Ukraine now. It is very difficult to get it in Germany.
My son have found a possibility to come to Germany and we're very happy.

 


Kind Regards,

  

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

  

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

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Re: Making Stainless steel templates for the Legacy

2024-09-08 Thread &#x27;Curt George&#x27; via Legacy Ornamental Mills

 ;-)   Bill If I'm honest with my self.  I do enjoy making these templates, But 
I am still looking for the prefect shape.and so far I just have not found it.   
 I've come close, but I'm still not there yet. ;-) 
C.A.G.

On Sunday, September 8, 2024 at 09:21:24 PM EDT,  
wrote:  
 
 
71 I’m starting to think you might like making templates more than using them 
curt 😊

  

Bill

  

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Monday, 9 September 2024 9:59 AM
To: Legacy ornamental mills 
Subject: Making Stainless steel templates for the Legacy

  

Hello Everyone.  

I guess I got a little carried away. 

Todays count is 71 templates for my bone handle/ magnifying glass handle 
templates.

  

Its a rather simple process, it just takes a few min. and a little thought to 
make these. 

The truth is most of these templates were just my paper copy's of what I've 
seen on the internet.  I go to Google and search (wood handles for example.) 
then copy and paste the design/photo, that I like onto a piece of paper. form 
there I check my measurements, and draw the shape onto the SS sheet, with a 
sharpie marker. 

The key point of a template is the centerline of the part. from there all the 
edges can be found and marked out for your template.

  

Form there is only a simple cut (I use a grinder metal cutting wheel on a hand 
grinder) and then some filing to the shape that I want to make.( I use the 
pedestal grinder and hand files mostly.) Once cut out, a wire wheel on my 
pedestal grinder to remove the burr's. and then drill a hole for hanging in to 
the board, and we are done.

I see general shapes only for the template, details can all be added latter. 
(after all the waist has been removed for your part.)

  

Once you have a template you will never have to worry about the shape , that 
recorded in the template, All that you will have to do it figure out what 
design element you want to add to your spindle to make it unique Like my last 
posting of the Sep. bone handles, both were made form the same template, all 
that I had to do is decide on what I wanted to add to the shape. (rope, wave, 
flute to name a few.)

  

Here are a few photo's of the templates and some of my more recent turnings. 
(first it the two that I posted yesterday.)

  

For any other questions as far as how I use the templates on the lathe and or 
Legacy. is for another posting.  ;-)

  

Any questions. Please ask.

  

Have a good night.

  

C.A.G.

  

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Re: Hold-downs that some may find useful

2024-09-07 Thread &#x27;Curt George&#x27; via Legacy Ornamental Mills

 Hi Guys. (just got home.)
I like those hold down clamps.  Thank you Mac.(I don't know if I will buy them, 
But I do think that they are neat.)
C.A.G.
On Saturday, September 7, 2024 at 10:33:50 PM EDT,  
wrote:  
 
 
I saw that mac but I’m not a fan of marking the timber 

  

Bill

  

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of M.W.Foscue
Sent: Sunday, 8 September 2024 12:23 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Hold-downs that some may find useful

  

I got an email from Rockler Woodworking & Hardware that had this interesting 
hold-down for when you need to secure a piece of wood while working it - 
whether you're using a CNC, LOM, or hand tools.

 

I figure one or more of our Group members will find them useful.

 

Here's the link:

 

Rockler "Slab Gripper Hold-Down Clamps, 4-pack"

 

Enjoy.

Mac

 

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Re: Aug. 31 bone turning.

2024-09-01 Thread &#x27;Curt George&#x27; via Legacy Ornamental Mills

Thank you Roger.I am getting better with this concept. But there is still a
long way to go.Between the process of cutting the bone, making templates and
finding out what is pleasing to the eye / details.It may take me a life time to
get it all right. ;-)Thank you for the kind words.
Have a good night.
C.A.G.
On Sunday, September 1, 2024 at 08:50:56 PM EDT, Ccm Ccm
wrote:

Nice work

On Saturday, August 31, 2024, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
wrote:

I was asked why I have not been turning bone as late? The answer is, this
summer has been very busy for me. sadly, there just has not been a lot of free
time in the shop.Today, I found that time. ;-)
Let me know what you think?
C.A.G.

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Re: Aug. 31 bone turning.

2024-09-01 Thread &#x27;Curt George&#x27; via Legacy Ornamental Mills

 Darn Kids! Life is more strange, then fiction. ;-) go figure... ;-p
C.A.G.
On Sunday, September 1, 2024 at 07:56:17 PM EDT,  
wrote:  
 
 
That is amazing you won’t believe this but while I’m not in my shop doing other 
things my son is in there working on his motorcycle too getting it roadworthy 
for registration amazing right what a coincidence

  

Bill 

  

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Sunday, 1 September 2024 11:10 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Aug. 31 bone turning.

  

Hey Bill

  

Thank you.

  

For me the problems this summer were both time, and my son who started 
re-building his motorcycle. There is not enough room for both of us to work at 
the same time in my shop.  And that, his bike is in parts, I dont want to put 
saw dust in the air, which will stick to all the oiled machine parts, he is 
trying to put back together.

this weekend Is mine! (more or less?) My plans are to play and clean the shop 
as much as I can.  I  have to hurry up, now. Or life will get in the way, again 
soon. ;-)

  

Take care.

talk to you more latter.

  

C.A.G.

  

On Sunday, September 1, 2024 at 05:11:32 AM EDT,  wrote: 

  

  

I hear you about no shop time ☹ and what can you say about the turning but 
great as you always do

 

Bill

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Sunday, 1 September 2024 9:53 AM
To: Legacy ornamental mills 
Subject: Aug. 31 bone turning.

 

I was asked why I have not been turning bone as late?  

The answer is, this summer has been very busy for me. 

sadly, there just has not been a lot of free time in the shop.

Today, I found that time. ;-)

 

Let me know what you think? 

 

C.A.G.

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Re: Aug. 31 bone turning.

2024-09-01 Thread &#x27;Curt George&#x27; via Legacy Ornamental Mills

 Hey Bill
Thank you.
For me the problems this summer were both time, and my son who started 
re-building his motorcycle. There is not enough room for both of us to work at 
the same time in my shop.  And that, his bike is in parts, I dont want to put 
saw dust in the air, which will stick to all the oiled machine parts, he is 
trying to put back together.this weekend Is mine! (more or less?) My plans are 
to play and clean the shop as much as I can.  I  have to hurry up, now. Or life 
will get in the way, again soon. ;-)
Take care.talk to you more latter.
C.A.G.
On Sunday, September 1, 2024 at 05:11:32 AM EDT,  
wrote:  
 
 
I hear you about no shop time ☹ and what can you say about the turning but 
great as you always do

  

Bill

  

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Sunday, 1 September 2024 9:53 AM
To: Legacy ornamental mills 
Subject: Aug. 31 bone turning.

  

I was asked why I have not been turning bone as late?  

The answer is, this summer has been very busy for me. 

sadly, there just has not been a lot of free time in the shop.

Today, I found that time. ;-)

  

Let me know what you think? 

  

C.A.G.

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Re: new custom mill

2024-08-31 Thread &#x27;Curt George&#x27; via Legacy Ornamental Mills

 Hello Tim.
I'm taking one of those penny's back. (so to speak.)  ;-)
I agree Change is part of life. And I  think Legacy going CNC was a good thing.
My problem is and was. There is no loyalty to there old customer's. Everything 
is on file, there Lasers could easily cut out and make old parts if needed.    
YES your buggy whip / change of times is understood all to clearly.   Its just 
the Divorce and alienation (old owners vs new CNC)  that hurts.  
C.A.G.
On Saturday, August 31, 2024 at 07:09:01 AM EDT, Tim Ziegler 
 wrote:  
 
 We've talked about this before. As I said, it is progress. The company would 
probably have gone out of business if they did not get into cnc. I'd love one 
of their CnC machines to be honest.
Weinig Moulders would not be where it is today if they did not change with the 
times. Honestly I think they did what they had to do. Look at the horse and 
buggie compared to Cars and Trucks today. Sorry we are blessed to have the 
machines we do and if they keep selling when one guy is done with it, they then 
can continue to pass on the legacy of the LEGACY. Just my thoughts and 3 cents 
worth. 
Kind Regards,
Timothy J. ZieglerZiegler WoodWork & SpecialtyZiegler Laser Worx LLC14171 160th 
Ave.Foreston MN 56330
320-294-5798 shop320-630-2243 cell

On Fri, Aug 30, 2024 at 11:45 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 wrote:

 $80.000 is close to what I paid for my home.  "MAN" the New CNC's are priced 
to high for me.
I wish Legacy luck, but I still think they were foolish , throwing the baby out 
with the bath water. (so to speak) The machines that they made in the past, are 
worth something! but As they see it ,Its all about the money, Selling an 
$80.000 machine is far better then selling a $3.000 one. (even though they sold 
thousands of manual machine.) I could be wrong, but I think that there could 
have been another way. (just putting my two cense worth of it, out there for 
all to see .) ;-)C.A.G.On Friday, August 30, 2024 at 11:44:18 PM EDT, Tim 
Ziegler  wrote:  
 
 i know right. uda!
Kind Regards,
Timothy J. ZieglerZiegler WoodWork & SpecialtyZiegler Laser Worx LLC14171 160th 
Ave.Foreston MN 56330
320-294-5798 shop320-630-2243 cell

On Fri, Aug 30, 2024 at 10:35 PM  wrote:


Yea what it would be to be able to spend that sort of money without a problem 

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Saturday, 31 August 2024 9:05 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: new custom mill

 

I was guessing some where around that figure. 




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Fri, Aug 30, 2024 at 9:39 AM 'finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 wrote:


ok, looked it up on the Legacy website... BASIC! machine price, $80,000... 15" 
diameter by 72" capacity between centers... auto tool changer... and all the 
other bells and whistles you would expect for a machine at that price level... 
I might guess that they are on a made-to-order status

On Friday, August 30, 2024 at 9:31:13 AM UTC-4 finu...@aol.com wrote:


Interesting... and quite the machine... a bit surprised that Legacy is showing 
some custom, machine fabrication work, that the client they made the machine 
for, requested... I would have thought that the client would have wanted that 
info kept propritory to their specific use... much like the so-called 40 ft. 
Legacy machine that they made quite a number of years ago(or at least that is 
what I heard!... LOL!)... and what anyone would use a 40ft Legacy for is also a 
bit of a mystery... and it seems Legacy is not letting that info out!... also, 
what does a machine, like what they showed in the video, cost in its basic form?

On Friday, August 30, 2024 at 8:41:14 AM UTC-4 Curt George wrote:


Wow! that's Neat !  

 

I wonder how much those table mountings cost? those just might be able to use 
on the manual machines as well.

 

C.A.G.

 

 

 

 

On Friday, August 30, 2024 at 07:06:54 AM EDT, Tim Ziegler  
wrote: 

 

 

Yeah I saw that the other day. Pretty impressive. for sure. 

Thanks for sharing with the group Bill. 




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Fri, Aug 30, 2024 at 2:38 AM  wrote:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKV8JWLhzFA  interesting

 

 

Bill

 

 

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Re: Introducing Oyo Lito to the group

2024-08-31 Thread &#x27;Curt George&#x27; via Legacy Ornamental Mills

Good morning everyone.
Oliver, Again Welcome to the Group.
If you could send us some photo's of your machine, (over all photo's of your
machine, so we can see the parts/missing, you will need.) Im sure someone in
the group should be able to help you out making your machine back up to
100%.The missing split nut and router plate should not be all that hard to
make. But Legacy changed there designs on both of these parts a few times over
the years. (that's why I suggest the photo's.)I personally own a 5/8x4 acme
screw tap, so making your split nut will not be a problem over all, all that
will need to be done is to cut and tap and cut out the plastic ,adding the
screw for you mounting bracket that will be needed to make this part work for
you.(Note; the split nut you have should be the same part needed, so photo
there part.) The router plate will either be Alum. or steel. each will have
different mountings...
I wish you the Best of luck.Ask questions any time you want. NO ONE know
everything. The way I look at it, Is, If you don't know, others might not know
as well, In one Question we (the entire group 559 members) can learn something
new, at the same time. ;-)
Talk to you more later.
C.A.G.
On Saturday, August 31, 2024 at 08:29:15 AM EDT, 'Curt George' via Legacy
Ornamental Mills wrote:

- Oyo Lito

- From:oa4...@gmail.com
Sat, Aug 31 at 2:08 AM
Hi Curt, sorry for the late reply. I've been so busy with work lately. My intro
message is;

Hello all, I'm Oliver the type of wood working I do is carpentry pertaining to
the construction of home ie framing, siding, decks, patios... I've recently
purchased a 1500 LOM in really good shape from what I can tell so far, other
than not having a router attachment plate and missing one half of the lead
screws nut. I'm so excited about the using this machine that I feel a world of
creative capabilities has just opened up for me.

The other equipment I own are pretty common jobsite table saw, chop saw, skill
saw, compressor... standard stuff really

Thank you all in advance for welcoming me to this group as I'm eager to learn
and meet yall.

Introducing Oyo Lito to the group

2024-08-31 Thread &#x27;Curt George&#x27; via Legacy Ornamental Mills

   
   - Oyo Lito    

   - From:oa4...@gmail.com   
Sat, Aug 31 at 2:08 AM   
Hi Curt, sorry for the late reply. I've been so busy with work lately. My intro 
message is;
   
Hello all, I'm Oliver the type of wood working I do is carpentry pertaining to 
the construction of home ie framing, siding, decks, patios... I've recently 
purchased a 1500 LOM in really good shape from what I can tell so far, other 
than not having a router attachment plate and missing one half of the lead 
screws nut. I'm so excited about the using this machine that I feel a world of 
creative capabilities has just opened up for me. 
   
The other equipment I own are pretty common jobsite table saw, chop saw, skill 
saw, compressor... standard stuff really   

   
Thank you all in advance for welcoming me to this group as I'm eager to learn 
and meet yall. 


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Re: new custom mill

2024-08-30 Thread &#x27;Curt George&#x27; via Legacy Ornamental Mills

 $80.000 is close to what I paid for my home.  "MAN" the New CNC's are priced 
to high for me.
I wish Legacy luck, but I still think they were foolish , throwing the baby out 
with the bath water. (so to speak) The machines that they made in the past, are 
worth something! but As they see it ,Its all about the money, Selling an 
$80.000 machine is far better then selling a $3.000 one. (even though they sold 
thousands of manual machine.) I could be wrong, but I think that there could 
have been another way. (just putting my two cense worth of it, out there for 
all to see .) ;-)C.A.G.On Friday, August 30, 2024 at 11:44:18 PM EDT, Tim 
Ziegler  wrote:  
 
 i know right. uda!
Kind Regards,
Timothy J. ZieglerZiegler WoodWork & SpecialtyZiegler Laser Worx LLC14171 160th 
Ave.Foreston MN 56330
320-294-5798 shop320-630-2243 cell

On Fri, Aug 30, 2024 at 10:35 PM  wrote:


Yea what it would be to be able to spend that sort of money without a problem 

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Saturday, 31 August 2024 9:05 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: new custom mill

 

I was guessing some where around that figure. 




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Fri, Aug 30, 2024 at 9:39 AM 'finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 wrote:


ok, looked it up on the Legacy website... BASIC! machine price, $80,000... 15" 
diameter by 72" capacity between centers... auto tool changer... and all the 
other bells and whistles you would expect for a machine at that price level... 
I might guess that they are on a made-to-order status

On Friday, August 30, 2024 at 9:31:13 AM UTC-4 finu...@aol.com wrote:


Interesting... and quite the machine... a bit surprised that Legacy is showing 
some custom, machine fabrication work, that the client they made the machine 
for, requested... I would have thought that the client would have wanted that 
info kept propritory to their specific use... much like the so-called 40 ft. 
Legacy machine that they made quite a number of years ago(or at least that is 
what I heard!... LOL!)... and what anyone would use a 40ft Legacy for is also a 
bit of a mystery... and it seems Legacy is not letting that info out!... also, 
what does a machine, like what they showed in the video, cost in its basic form?

On Friday, August 30, 2024 at 8:41:14 AM UTC-4 Curt George wrote:


Wow! that's Neat !  

 

I wonder how much those table mountings cost? those just might be able to use 
on the manual machines as well.

 

C.A.G.

 

 

 

 

On Friday, August 30, 2024 at 07:06:54 AM EDT, Tim Ziegler  
wrote: 

 

 

Yeah I saw that the other day. Pretty impressive. for sure. 

Thanks for sharing with the group Bill. 




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Fri, Aug 30, 2024 at 2:38 AM  wrote:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKV8JWLhzFA  interesting

 

 

Bill

 

 

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Re: LOM Model 500 for sale

2024-08-30 Thread &#x27;Curt George&#x27; via Legacy Ornamental Mills

 I can see some very real possibility's for that 500. But sadly not in my shop. 
The funny thing here is I own a 500 (its no ware close to, As nice as what you 
are selling Richard.) mine has the steel rails and only one set of plastic 
gears. One day I will find the time to re-work this machine, and perhaps make 
something New with it? but until then...  I'm in the same boat as you.   I have 
something nice that I just don't need, and have no idea on what I will do with 
it one day. ;-)
Take care.
C.A.G.
On Friday, August 30, 2024 at 07:02:39 AM EDT, Tim Ziegler 
 wrote:  
 
 Nothing wrong with thinking outside the box, Bill that is how great idea's are 
born. 
Kind Regards,
Timothy J. ZieglerZiegler WoodWork & SpecialtyZiegler Laser Worx LLC14171 160th 
Ave.Foreston MN 56330
320-294-5798 shop320-630-2243 cell

On Fri, Aug 30, 2024 at 1:14 AM  wrote:


That’s what I would have used it for if I had it here a widened slab miller, I 
got this crazy idea of running 5 routers at once each one with a 2 inch 
planning bit

In so doing a 10 inch wide cut one pass so up and then back I will have milled 
a 20inch wide slab I get crazy ideas some work some don’t lolol

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of M.W.Foscue
Sent: Friday, 30 August 2024 3:14 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: LOM Model 500 for sale

 

Richard,

 

Using it as an "ornamental mill" is one possibility.

On the other hand, with "Slab Tables", Slab/Live Edge Shelves" being quite 
popular - the 500 could certainly be employed as a "slab flattener".  

 

Do you still have the LOM 1500?

Guys like Curtis, "Down Under Bill", and ZZ Tim (cousin to ZZ Top) can all give 
you advice on how to make that function work with the 500.    For instance you 
could make a "Slab Killer" that NY Joe (Biuno) would envy.   Use the 1500's 
long rails to allow flattening of really long boards and marry it with the long 
rails from the 500 to allow you to flatten really w-i-d-e boards - using them 
to support the router unit - essentially making the 500's rails be the gantry 
housing the router.

 

 

Best of luck to ya!

Mac

-Original Message-
From: 
Sent: Aug 30, 2024 12:30 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 

Subject: Re: LOM Model 500 for sale

 

Hello Richard

I wish you luck on your sale of the Legacy 500.

Sadly the 500 is not worth a lot of money, But like you pointed out

this machine looks in very good condition, and it looks like everything is 
there.

 

The 500 was made as an entry level machine, the plastic gearing and very 
limited 

taper ability's.   are the weak points of this machine.   

Depending on what you want for it, this Legacy could still work out very well 
for someone.

 

An example could be, as a first step on turning, on a production job. like 
table legs.  this machine

could do a good job on making the rough cuts, and then another machine, ether 
lathe or another Legacy could be the finial or finer elements needed?

 

Richard what are you thinking you would like to sell this Legacy for?

On Thursday, August 29, 2024 at 11:52:18 PM EDT, Richard Demerath 
 wrote:

 

I am presently downsizing and have a LOL model 500 for sale.  Don’t know much 
about it but it appears to be used very little.  Includes extra gears and 
measuring scales.  This is an extra one I received when I purchased a LOM 1500. 
 Located in Wisconsin Rapids, Wisconsin 54494

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Re: new custom mill

2024-08-30 Thread &#x27;Curt George&#x27; via Legacy Ornamental Mills

Wow! that's Neat !
I wonder how much those table mountings cost? those just might be able to use
on the manual machines as well.
C.A.G.

On Friday, August 30, 2024 at 07:06:54 AM EDT, Tim Ziegler
wrote:

Yeah I saw that the other day. Pretty impressive. for sure. Thanks for sharing
with the group Bill.
Kind Regards,
Timothy J. ZieglerZiegler WoodWork & SpecialtyZiegler Laser Worx LLC14171 160th
Ave.Foreston MN 56330
320-294-5798 shop320-630-2243 cell

On Fri, Aug 30, 2024 at 2:38 AM wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKV8JWLhzFA interesting

Bill

Re: Woodturning Newsletter - What's The Difference

2024-08-29 Thread &#x27;Curt George&#x27; via Legacy Ornamental Mills

 Hello and Good morning Ralph.
No I had no idea that Ron Brown owned a Legacy CNC.  And I am more impressed 
that you know him and talk to him on the phone. Relationships/Friends are 
becoming harder to make these days, When you find a good one, Hold on with both 
hands, you don't want to loose it. ;-)This group was made for and about this 
same concept, By sharing information, ideas, and goals, with othersyou can find 
and make new relationships with people who are more like yourself.The Legacy 
Ornamental Users Group is not just about "The Legacy" (LOM) It is about making 
your own Legacy, and Growing through the experiences we all share together.
Have a Great day.And Welcome to the Group.
C.A.G.On Thursday, August 29, 2024 at 08:41:00 AM EDT, Ralph Thorne 
 wrote:  
 
 Hello all,
I'm relatively new to the group and have been reading most of the posts.
I've known Ron for more than 30 years and spoke to him this morning. He wanted 
me to extend his thanks for sharing his emails.
Did anyone know he makes a lot of his products with a Legacy cnc?
Thanks,Ralph

On Monday, August 26, 2024 at 12:26:16 AM UTC-4 M.W.Foscue wrote:


To All,

 

I know some of you in "The Group" get Ron Brown's emails.

Tim has shared a couple recently.

 

When I finally got around to reading this one - I thought "Holy Cow!  This info 
is worth sharing - even though some (or most) of us know the info - it is all 
well worth seeing/reading again!  Especially the info re: Sanding and Finishing.

 

Enjoy!

Mac

-Forwarded Message-
From: Ron Brown's Best, LLC 
Sent: Aug 17, 2024 3:00 AM
To: 
Subject: Woodturning Newsletter - What's The Difference

 
 
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The Difference Between Perfect And Good Enough

 

Perfect Definition: “Having all the required or desirable elements, qualities, 
or characteristics; as good as it is possible to be.”

 

In life, things are seldom perfect. When turning wooden objects, things are 
rarely perfect. I recommend that you strive to be better this time than last 
time. Three main areas within your control always make a huge difference in the 
final product and require surprisingly little extra effort.

 

Shape

Learning what shapes are pleasing is a lifelong quest for most of us. When you 
are making something for someone other than yourself, you have to consider the 
shape. It must be visually pleasing with the proper proportions. The curves 
must be fair and the separations must be sharp.

 

A great way to develop an understanding of pleasing shapes is to study ceramics 
and glass vessels similar to the projects you undertake. There are tons of 
resources on classic shapes that have been around for centuries. There are good 
reasons for certain shapes to remain popular over the centuries. If you try to 
swim upstream for too long, you will soon tire and fail.

 

Sanding

This is an area most easily and quickly improved.

1)   Half a Grit: if you start with 100 grit sandpaper, don’t go finer than 150 
grit next. Then don’t go finer than 220 grit and so on.

 

2)   Take time to visually inspect that all of the 100 grit scratches are 
removed before you finish with the 150 grit. If you don’t remove all of the 
scratches at each step, they will show through in the final finish.

 

3)   I recommend using compressed air to blow off all of the sanding dust along 
with a strong raking light to inspect your work before moving to the next grit. 
If you are working with very hard wood i.e. ebony, cocobolo, African blackwood, 
padauk, acrylic, or epoxy, this is especially important. Take extra time to get 
it right now or you will have to do it over.

 

4)   NOTE: I stop sanding wood at 320 grit. When using finer grits, friction 
can overheat the lignin in the wood and make it resistant to film finishes 
adhering to the surface causing the finish to fail much sooner.

 

Finish

1)   If you rush the finishing process, you will have ruined all your hard work.

 

2)   Film finishes (lacquer, varnish, shellac, epoxy, friction finish-shellac) 
are more durable than wax finishes. But they take more time and effort.

 

3)   Wax is a quick finish that will dull over time and need to be renewed 
either by reapplication or more buffing. Wax finishes are quick to apply and 
look shiny and sparkly in the short term. Wax is perfect for projects where 
saving time is important and the durability of the finish is of no 
significance. Wax or oil is mandatory for utility vessels such as salad bowls 
or kitchen utensils.

 

4)   Multiple coats of lacquer (10 to 30) applied over several days and when 
allowed to cure for 30 or more days, can be polished to a brilliant mirror-like 
finish. This is the finish of choice for art and display-only pieces bringing 
top dollars such as in a gallery.

 

Try to do better each time than the time before and you will quickly reach 
Master Status Skill Sets. Consider the end use for what you are making and 
decide how

Re: Mounting Hub / Index Hub Dimensions

2024-08-22 Thread &#x27;Curt George&#x27; via Legacy Ornamental Mills

 Hello Dan
If you could do that, I think you just might find a market for your 
services.Please let us know.
C.A.G.
On Thursday, August 22, 2024 at 09:23:41 AM EDT, cdkr...@gmail.com 
 wrote:  
 
 I would consider making a bunch if I could find a place to laser cut the 
outline and holes. I could provide the laser cutter with a 2D drawing that he 
could load into G code for the laser. I have a press that would bend the legs 
in a form made for the purpose.  Then I would sell them in packages of four. 
This might be a cost effective means to get some made. Would the market bear 
$20 bill for a set of four?  I have no idea if anyone in my area has the 
equipment, but I'll start checking around.DanK

On Thursday, August 22, 2024 at 8:56:42 AM UTC-4 Ken Fisher wrote:

Thanks Curt,I was really referring to if a person was to pursue having these 
made in quantity what would be a fair and reasonable price that members of the 
group would pay?
I’m sure it will differ some across the spectrum. Those who are capable and 
have the equipment to make them themselves would probably not want to pay as 
much as the individual that doesn’t have these things. Then there are those of 
course that can make them but would rather buy such an item verses spending 
their time making them. Does anyone know what the last price was you could 
purchase them for from Legacy?
Like Tim I know a couple guys who may be interested in making a run of these 
but no one is going to want to do a dozen of them. It would become cost 
prohibitive.
Ken F





On Aug 21, 2024 at 7:37 AM,  wrote:



 Hello Ken
If I'm Honest with you.  I do not know?  I would guess on your wants/what you 
need, and how many?Its a pretty simple device. a steel bracket, with 4 prongs 
and 5 mounting holes. any one with a jig saw or any metal cutting tools could 
make them, themselves with some time.I've made my own a few times in the past, 
Its not hard. it just takes some time and a little effort.
I have a laser guy who can cut them out. the problem is there is a min. charge 
of $200.00 plus materials/ steel plate.  I do not know how many can be made for 
the min.? and at this time $200.00 for my WANT's, is just not in the works for 
me.This is why I asked Tim what his guy is willing to make them for?
Perhaps this could be a video project for the group? Something to think about.
Gota run.
Have a good day.
C.A.G.
On Wednesday, August 21, 2024 at 10:23:36 AM EDT, Ken Fisher 
 wrote:  
 
 What is a reasonable price for these if one was to pursue having them made?
Ken F



On Aug 20, 2024 at 3:52 AM,  wrote:

yeah I would have to see if they are still willing. 
Kind Regards,
Timothy J. ZieglerZiegler WoodWork & SpecialtyZiegler Laser Worx LLC14171 160th 
Ave.Foreston MN 56330
320-294-5798 shop320-630-2243 cell

On Tue, Aug 20, 2024 at 12:48 AM M.W.Foscue  wrote:


Rumor has it that Tim Z. knows a guy "Really well" that could crank them out if 
there are folks willing to pay for them.

Shoot Tim a note if you want to know more.

Mac

-Original Message-
From: 
Sent: Aug 20, 2024 1:32 AM
To: 
Subject: RE: Mounting Hub / Index Hub Dimensions

 

If you have any metal work experience drive hubs are not too difficult to make 
cut a blank out of metal plate drill the 5 holes in the middle

Get a square steel bar the right size drill and tap corresponding holes in it, 
bolt the blank to the square bar heat the blank up with a flame

 and with a hammer bend each point of the blank over to 90 degrees and you have 
a ready to use drive hub if I didn’t have plenty myself I would make whatever I 
needed 

 

Bill 

 

From: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2024 1:30 PM
To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mounting Hub / Index Hub Dimensions

 

the last I checked with Cindy they no longer carry the dogs for our LOM's. 

You may have to have someone custom make a few unless like Bill said someone 
will sell you some.

They are a rather hot commodity. 

 

Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Mon, Aug 19, 2024 at 9:02 PM  wrote:


Also perhaps you can buy one or two drive hubs from legacy or a member who has 
spares so you can make more . if your mill is a revo and want to go down the 
chuck path I suggest getting a record power SC1 or SC2 mini chuck 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHnLzlAsPek

I own the SC1 with all the different jaws and I love it for the revo mill it 
grips the wood on about the same dia as the drive hub perfect for small work 
right up to 6 inch dia the capacity of the revo. I think it was Tim M that had 
a revo mind you, you can use the small chucks on the normal mill too.

 

Bill



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Re: Mounting Hub / Index Hub Dimensions

2024-08-21 Thread &#x27;Curt George&#x27; via Legacy Ornamental Mills

 Hello Ken
If I'm Honest with you.  I do not know?  I would guess on your wants/what you 
need, and how many?Its a pretty simple device. a steel bracket, with 4 prongs 
and 5 mounting holes. any one with a jig saw or any metal cutting tools could 
make them, themselves with some time.I've made my own a few times in the past, 
Its not hard. it just takes some time and a little effort.
I have a laser guy who can cut them out. the problem is there is a min. charge 
of $200.00 plus materials/ steel plate.  I do not know how many can be made for 
the min.? and at this time $200.00 for my WANT's, is just not in the works for 
me.This is why I asked Tim what his guy is willing to make them for?
Perhaps this could be a video project for the group? Something to think about.
Gota run.
Have a good day.
C.A.G.
On Wednesday, August 21, 2024 at 10:23:36 AM EDT, Ken Fisher 
 wrote:  
 
 What is a reasonable price for these if one was to pursue having them made?
Ken F



On Aug 20, 2024 at 3:52 AM,  wrote:

yeah I would have to see if they are still willing. 
Kind Regards,
Timothy J. ZieglerZiegler WoodWork & SpecialtyZiegler Laser Worx LLC14171 160th 
Ave.Foreston MN 56330
320-294-5798 shop320-630-2243 cell

On Tue, Aug 20, 2024 at 12:48 AM M.W.Foscue  wrote:


Rumor has it that Tim Z. knows a guy "Really well" that could crank them out if 
there are folks willing to pay for them.

Shoot Tim a note if you want to know more.

Mac

-Original Message-
From: 
Sent: Aug 20, 2024 1:32 AM
To: 
Subject: RE: Mounting Hub / Index Hub Dimensions

 

If you have any metal work experience drive hubs are not too difficult to make 
cut a blank out of metal plate drill the 5 holes in the middle

Get a square steel bar the right size drill and tap corresponding holes in it, 
bolt the blank to the square bar heat the blank up with a flame

 and with a hammer bend each point of the blank over to 90 degrees and you have 
a ready to use drive hub if I didn’t have plenty myself I would make whatever I 
needed 

 

Bill 

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2024 1:30 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mounting Hub / Index Hub Dimensions

 

the last I checked with Cindy they no longer carry the dogs for our LOM's. 

You may have to have someone custom make a few unless like Bill said someone 
will sell you some.

They are a rather hot commodity. 

 

Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

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On Mon, Aug 19, 2024 at 9:02 PM  wrote:


Also perhaps you can buy one or two drive hubs from legacy or a member who has 
spares so you can make more . if your mill is a revo and want to go down the 
chuck path I suggest getting a record power SC1 or SC2 mini chuck 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHnLzlAsPek

I own the SC1 with all the different jaws and I love it for the revo mill it 
grips the wood on about the same dia as the drive hub perfect for small work 
right up to 6 inch dia the capacity of the revo. I think it was Tim M that had 
a revo mind you, you can use the small chucks on the normal mill too.

 

Bill



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Re: Mounting Hub / Index Hub Dimensions

2024-08-20 Thread &#x27;Curt George&#x27; via Legacy Ornamental Mills

HI Guys.
Its sad that Legacy stopped making these hubs. (I think they were the best
holding system on the market, And still do.)
Tim are you going to ask your guy, to make more hubs? and if so how many and at
what price, dose he think they will cost? I have made some of my own hubs in
the past, and still have plenty of Legacy made ones, but ... I could use some
more for the right price. You might even ask him, If he will cut the shapes
and have others do the bending. (that would keep the price lower.) I would
also like to know where Legacy had theirs made. At least in the early years the
hubs were stamped, not cut with a laser. I do not know if Legacy owned there
own press? (or presses?) But if someone else made them for Legacy, they those
people might still have the will to make some more?
talk to you all more latter.Have a good night.
C.A.G.
On Tuesday, August 20, 2024 at 05:47:50 PM EDT, Tim Ziegler
wrote:

Hey Tim M,
So I went out and measured a couple of them and the square in the middle is
only 1.411 and the tabs are at .762 each.I measured about 10 different ones and
with in .005 on all of them.
Kind Regards,
Timothy J. ZieglerZiegler WoodWork & SpecialtyZiegler Laser Worx LLC14171 160th
Ave.Foreston MN 56330
320-294-5798 shop320-630-2243 cell

On Tue, Aug 20, 2024 at 9:37 AM Tim Maxwell wrote:

Thanks for the input and detailed pictures. I am considering a chuck
eventually, and yes this is for a Revo.
Am I correct that before bending the blank is about 3 inches tip to tip?
Tim M

Re: LOM 500 for sale

2024-08-15 Thread &#x27;Curt George&#x27; via Legacy Ornamental Mills

Welcome to the Group Dick.
The Legacy is a very good tool, but it can take some time to learn how to fully
use it, to its fullest potential.
Its not hard, (Hey, If I can do it, Anyone can learn how to use the Legacy.) ;-)
Have a good night.
C.A.G.
On Friday, August 16, 2024 at 12:13:50 AM EDT, Richard Demerath
wrote:

Hi, my name is Dick Demerath. 4 years ago I purchased a LOM Model 1500 to use
when I retired. Along with it came a LOM 500. I am now retired and am getting
ready to jump in and see what this machine can do. I always wanted one after
seeing demos of it at the woodworking shows many years ago. The shop I have
does not have the room for all these toys so I am going to sell the 500 as I
don't need both. I asking $400 but would be willing to take less as I'm not
sure what its worth. As soon as I finish the trim in my house I plan an taking
the 1500 out and figuring out how to use it.

On Monday, August 12, 2024 at 8:20:23 PM UTC-5 Tim Ziegler wrote:

https://www.facebook.com/share/5yZyN512ZWGkz3Ch/
Kind Regards,
Timothy J. ZieglerZiegler WoodWork & SpecialtyZiegler Laser Worx LLC14171 160th
Ave.Foreston MN 56330
320-294-5798 shop320-630-2243 cell

Re: wooden threads

2024-08-12 Thread &#x27;Curt George&#x27; via Legacy Ornamental Mills

 Awe Shoot !  
I just found a great video, on how to build the Ultimate DIY camera slider.  
But your offer Tim is far better,   Have a GREAT Time on your Trip Tim.  ;-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu0k2UuAs4g

C.A.G.On Monday, August 12, 2024 at 07:41:49 PM EDT, Tim Ziegler 
 wrote:  
 
 No if everyone pitches in I will fly out. lol I wish. 
Kind Regards,
Timothy J. ZieglerZiegler WoodWork & SpecialtyZiegler Laser Worx LLC14171 160th 
Ave.Foreston MN 56330
320-294-5798 shop320-630-2243 cell

On Mon, Aug 12, 2024 at 6:02 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 wrote:

 Bill
Perhaps a tram of sorts could be made to hold your camera while shooting?
something like this, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xe8gtlRbQgY OR 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GE37xI14Fyw
C.A.G.On Monday, August 12, 2024 at 06:38:32 PM EDT, 
 wrote:  
 
 
You got it that’s why many of my videos are very shaky 

  

Bill

  

  

  

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2024 11:32 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: wooden threads

  

Yeah I can see the struggle is real. one needs both hands to run the mill and 
both hands to camera.


Kind Regards,

  

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

  

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

  

  

On Mon, Aug 12, 2024 at 7:13 AM  wrote:


Oh man I wish you where here to do that too it would be so much easier quicker 
and clearer if I had a camera man its so much work doing it alone

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2024 9:23 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: wooden threads

 

Hey, I am looking forward to that. I wish I was there to hold the camera for 
you lol. 

Keep us posted and updated to when you can move forward with that. 

That's right I will need to mount my Horizontal Router mount to do the nut 
right?


Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Mon, Aug 12, 2024 at 6:15 AM  wrote:


And I am going to do an updated thread cutting video featuring my latest 
tilting Z axis when milling the nuts once im back in my shop

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2024 8:50 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: wooden threads

 

Hey This is great Bill, 

I still need to attempt my first threads. I bought the bit you recommended 
several 

months ago, but still have not done the project. Does that give a true 90 
degree?

Now you will hopefully get some new viewers and show your threading video that

we've had the pleasure of watching for sure. 

I down loaded this right away too. Lots of good information there. 

Thanks Bill the "Thread Master"


Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Sun, Aug 11, 2024 at 10:43 PM  wrote:


Finaly an article that has it right about wooden threads they are even 2 tpi 
like I make just smaller in dia and he gets the thread angle right 90 degrees 
not 60 and for the right reasons after all once all threads were wood threads 
before metal came along I been saying it for years. This guy makes wood bench 
vice threads

 

Bill

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Re: wooden threads

2024-08-12 Thread &#x27;Curt George&#x27; via Legacy Ornamental Mills

 Bill
Perhaps a tram of sorts could be made to hold your camera while shooting?
something like this, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xe8gtlRbQgY OR 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GE37xI14Fyw
C.A.G.On Monday, August 12, 2024 at 06:38:32 PM EDT, 
 wrote:  
 
 
You got it that’s why many of my videos are very shaky 

  

Bill

  

  

  

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2024 11:32 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: wooden threads

  

Yeah I can see the struggle is real. one needs both hands to run the mill and 
both hands to camera.


Kind Regards,

  

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

  

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

  

  

On Mon, Aug 12, 2024 at 7:13 AM  wrote:


Oh man I wish you where here to do that too it would be so much easier quicker 
and clearer if I had a camera man its so much work doing it alone

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2024 9:23 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: wooden threads

 

Hey, I am looking forward to that. I wish I was there to hold the camera for 
you lol. 

Keep us posted and updated to when you can move forward with that. 

That's right I will need to mount my Horizontal Router mount to do the nut 
right?


Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Mon, Aug 12, 2024 at 6:15 AM  wrote:


And I am going to do an updated thread cutting video featuring my latest 
tilting Z axis when milling the nuts once im back in my shop

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2024 8:50 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: wooden threads

 

Hey This is great Bill, 

I still need to attempt my first threads. I bought the bit you recommended 
several 

months ago, but still have not done the project. Does that give a true 90 
degree?

Now you will hopefully get some new viewers and show your threading video that

we've had the pleasure of watching for sure. 

I down loaded this right away too. Lots of good information there. 

Thanks Bill the "Thread Master"


Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Sun, Aug 11, 2024 at 10:43 PM  wrote:


Finaly an article that has it right about wooden threads they are even 2 tpi 
like I make just smaller in dia and he gets the thread angle right 90 degrees 
not 60 and for the right reasons after all once all threads were wood threads 
before metal came along I been saying it for years. This guy makes wood bench 
vice threads

 

Bill

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Re: wooden threads

2024-08-12 Thread &#x27;Curt George&#x27; via Legacy Ornamental Mills

 Good morning guys!
I cant wait to see your newest video, Bill
I know the 90 deg. is the angle you like, but what pitch will yoube using, 
Bill?  Like the writer stated.  5-6 is common, 2 TPI makes a drastic pitch.
NOW the question is how many starts will be needed to make this screw?
Talk to you all more latter.Have a good day.
C.A.G.
On Monday, August 12, 2024 at 09:32:02 AM EDT, Tim Ziegler 
 wrote:  
 
 Yeah I can see the struggle is real. one needs both hands to run the mill and 
both hands to camera.
Kind Regards,
Timothy J. ZieglerZiegler WoodWork & SpecialtyZiegler Laser Worx LLC14171 160th 
Ave.Foreston MN 56330
320-294-5798 shop320-630-2243 cell

On Mon, Aug 12, 2024 at 7:13 AM  wrote:


Oh man I wish you where here to do that too it would be so much easier quicker 
and clearer if I had a camera man its so much work doing it alone

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2024 9:23 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: wooden threads

 

Hey, I am looking forward to that. I wish I was there to hold the camera for 
you lol. 

Keep us posted and updated to when you can move forward with that. 

That's right I will need to mount my Horizontal Router mount to do the nut 
right?


Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Mon, Aug 12, 2024 at 6:15 AM  wrote:


And I am going to do an updated thread cutting video featuring my latest 
tilting Z axis when milling the nuts once im back in my shop

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2024 8:50 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: wooden threads

 

Hey This is great Bill, 

I still need to attempt my first threads. I bought the bit you recommended 
several 

months ago, but still have not done the project. Does that give a true 90 
degree?

Now you will hopefully get some new viewers and show your threading video that

we've had the pleasure of watching for sure. 

I down loaded this right away too. Lots of good information there. 

Thanks Bill the "Thread Master"


Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Sun, Aug 11, 2024 at 10:43 PM  wrote:


Finaly an article that has it right about wooden threads they are even 2 tpi 
like I make just smaller in dia and he gets the thread angle right 90 degrees 
not 60 and for the right reasons after all once all threads were wood threads 
before metal came along I been saying it for years. This guy makes wood bench 
vice threads

 

Bill

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Re: Index Pin Assembly/Spring Clip

2024-08-09 Thread &#x27;Curt George&#x27; via Legacy Ornamental Mills

Tim Maxwell. (Not Tim Z. or K. ) ;-)
I am glad it all worked out well for you. AND You were able to put it back
together again.
C.A.G.
On Saturday, August 10, 2024 at 01:28:59 AM EDT, Tim Maxwell
wrote:

Curt thank you for the photo.
I managed to find the original clip so I will post some pictures incase another
member has a similar issue. This is on a Revo model and it appears to be a
standard black e-clip instead of the yellowish/gold reinforced type.Of note to
Revo users, there is not enough clearance for the clip rotate 360 degrees with
the shaft so spinning the pin shaft could dislodge the clip.

Tim Maxwell

On Friday, August 9, 2024 at 1:03:19 AM UTC-4 Curt George wrote:

Tim this is not a good photo. but its the only one that I can find at this
time.
C.A.G.

On Friday, August 9, 2024 at 12:41:47 AM EDT, 'Curt George' via Legacy
Ornamental Mills wrote:

Hello TimDepending on the modal of Legacy and the year, the locking pin
changed a little,On my 1000ex there was a spring and bracket and a spring
retaining ring to hold the indexing system together.The spring and bracket
worked on friction to hold the lock away form the indexing gear when you were
not using it.On latter units, I have seen slight differences form what I have,
But I do also own a indexing system with two indexing pins which are locked in
place with small shaft collars. and Ive also seen a locking pin/lever which
holds the pin locked when not in use.
If you could take a photo of what you have, It might be easer to figure out if
something was lost or damaged? ( I cant find any off-hand photo's of this
indexing pin at this time. but I will keep looking. Perhaps tomorrow I can go
out and see if I can find one to photograph for you? )
Best of luck on this problem.
have a good night.
C.A.G.
On Friday, August 9, 2024 at 12:17:06 AM EDT, Tim Maxwell
wrote:

Does the spring in the index pin assembly push against a standard e-clip
(radially applied retaining clip) or a specialty/reinforced clip?
While trying to loosen/clean/lube a sticking indexing pin I heard a part go
flying and suddenly there was no tension on the spring. It appears the
retaining clip liberated itself.

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Re: Index Pin Assembly/Spring Clip

2024-08-08 Thread &#x27;Curt George&#x27; via Legacy Ornamental Mills

Tim this is not a good photo. but its the only one that I can find at this
time.
C.A.G.

On Friday, August 9, 2024 at 12:41:47 AM EDT, 'Curt George' via Legacy
Ornamental Mills wrote:

Re: Index Pin Assembly/Spring Clip

2024-08-08 Thread &#x27;Curt George&#x27; via Legacy Ornamental Mills

Re: Bill's rotary cross slide

2024-08-07 Thread &#x27;Curt George&#x27; via Legacy Ornamental Mills

"O"Great! now I'm feeling left out. ;-p
Im going to bed now. Have a good night.
C.A.G.
On Wednesday, August 7, 2024 at 10:25:58 PM EDT, Tim Ziegler
wrote:

It truly is a unique jig. I have played around with one on my WoodChuck a fair
amount.
Kind Regards,
Timothy J. ZieglerZiegler WoodWork & SpecialtyZiegler Laser Worx LLC14171 160th
Ave.Foreston MN 56330
320-294-5798 shop320-630-2243 cell

On Wed, Aug 7, 2024 at 7:50 AM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CbhNxbl-EQ

( I AM SEPERATING THIS TOPIC FOR MORE CLARITY)
Bill, this is one Neat jig that you made. But I for one am at a bit of a loss,
to figure out how to use it.
C.A.G.

Re: Bill's rotary cross slide

2024-08-07 Thread &#x27;Curt George&#x27; via Legacy Ornamental Mills

 I cant wait ;-)
C.A.G.
On Wednesday, August 7, 2024 at 09:54:58 AM EDT,  
wrote:  
 
 
When I get back in my shop I will do a video of it making a square spiral for 
you curt

  

Bill

  

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Wednesday, August 7, 2024 10:51 PM
To: Legacy ornamental mills 
Subject: Bill's rotary cross slide

  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CbhNxbl-EQ

  

( I AM SEPERATING THIS TOPIC FOR MORE CLARITY)

  

Bill, this is one Neat jig that you made. But I for one am at a bit of a loss, 
to figure out how to use it.

  

C.A.G.

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Bill's rotary cross slide

2024-08-07 Thread &#x27;Curt George&#x27; via Legacy Ornamental Mills

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CbhNxbl-EQ

( I AM SEPERATING THIS TOPIC FOR MORE CLARITY)
Bill, this is one Neat jig that you made. But I for one am at a bit of a loss, 
to figure out how to use it.
C.A.G.

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Re: Motor Drive for LOM

2024-08-05 Thread &#x27;Curt George&#x27; via Legacy Ornamental Mills

Very Nice Video Bill.

When asking about the Legacy and turning on a lathe, I like to tell people 
the two machines do the same things, but differently. I don't choose on 
over the other, (as a matter of fact, I like to both machines together to 
get the best out of each machine.) But as you can see in Bill's video. the 
hardest thing to do on
the lathe is to turn a spindle flat and smooth,   the Legacy dose that job 
easily.
I enjoyed watching this video again, Bill.   
Thank you .

C.A.G.

On Sunday, July 28, 2024 at 10:18:16 PM UTC-4 timjz...@gmail.com wrote:

> Yeah good stuff.
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
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>
> On Sun, Jul 28, 2024 at 4:34 PM M.W.Foscue  wrote:
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>> Bill,
>>
>>  
>>
>> EXCELLENT video!
>>
>> I am sure a number of "lurkers" (and some "regulars") will learn a lot 
>> from your videos.Thank you for sharing!
>>
>> Mac
>>
>>  
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>> -Original Message-
>> From: 
>> Sent: Jul 28, 2024 3:18 AM
>> To: 
>> Subject: RE: Motor Drive for LOM
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>>  
>>
>> Ps here is a video on milling a spindle on the legacy 
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZrQhmNmlqU&t=354s&ab_channel=aussiman77181
>>
>> It shows all different ways of turning wood including with drive motors. 
>> It’s done using a legacy revo mill which just like the normal mills but 
>> with one side removed which makes it easier to film and for people to see 
>> what your doing 
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  
>> *On Behalf Of *bulk...@mmnet.com.au
>> *Sent:* Sunday, July 28, 2024 4:12 PM
>> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* RE: Motor Drive for LOM
>>
>>  
>>
>> Looks like you have done a fine job making your own drive motor the only 
>> problem with that type of motor for me is the reduction gear is a worm 
>> drive and not strait gears they don’t let you turn the leadscrew by hand 
>> for fine adjustments or creeping up to a stop without disconnecting it  is 
>> more difficult than relying just on the limit switch. The Chinese speed 
>> control work ok they just don’t last a long long time like the legacy one 
>> do I have 2 on head stock motors. Also the legacy motor they use is a 90 
>> volt DC which runs at 0 to 112 rpm if I remember i can look it up if anyone 
>> wants. But hey if its all working ok and your totally happy with it great  
>> and best of all so much cheaper
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  
>> *On Behalf Of *Wayne Oldenburg
>> *Sent:* Monday, July 22, 2024 1:50 AM
>> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>> *Subject:* Motor Drive for LOM
>>
>>  
>>
>> I am new to this group and have enjoyed various discussions.  I have 
>> noticed that a few people would like a motor drive for their mill, but they 
>> are expensive and hard to find.  I built a motor drive for my LOM at a cost 
>> of less than $200.   I am attaching a document that explains what I did.  I 
>> hope it will help some of you.  I would also welcome improvements that you 
>> may see.
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>> I am new to posting so I hope this woks.  If not, you can email me 
>> directly.
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Re: Transition Moulding strip on the 1200 LOM

2024-08-03 Thread &#x27;Curt George&#x27; via Legacy Ornamental Mills

Hey Tim.
I like it! Nice job on that . Quick question, why hickory not another type of
wood for your transition molding strips?
C.A.G.
On Saturday, August 3, 2024 at 10:24:14 AM EDT, Tim Ziegler
wrote:

Finished up the transition moulding strips yesterday.I have added a couple
pic's to show the final product. Not a big deal but sure was nice to run the
top of this through the LOM. The bottom was done as I mentioned through the
table saw. Simple and quick. Customer will be picking up soon.
Kind Regards,
Timothy J. ZieglerZiegler WoodWork & SpecialtyZiegler Laser Worx LLC14171 160th
Ave.Foreston MN 56330
320-294-5798 shop320-630-2243 cell

On Thu, Aug 1, 2024 at 9:09 PM Tim Ziegler wrote:

Good evening,
Working on some transition moulding strips on my 1200 today. I maybe should
have used my long moulding board, which is on my 1500 and I did not want to
run, as the 1200 is more my pet. And it was cooler in the shop. lol 1500 is out
in the garage. So these turned out really well. I did climb cut to keep the
chippingdown being I was running Hickory. I used one of my larger barley twist
router bits. I ran one side thenflipped the piece and ran the other side the
same. Some sanding required.The picture of it on my bench above the Milwaukee
drawer set isthe finished piece on the top profile. I still have to run the
rabbits which I will do on the table saw. The one piece was 96 inches so I ran
that twice. I just end for ended it.Kind Regards,
Timothy J. ZieglerZiegler WoodWork & SpecialtyZiegler Laser Worx LLC14171 160th
Ave.Foreston MN 56330
320-294-5798 shop320-630-2243 cell

Re: Transition Moulding strip on the 1200 LOM

2024-08-01 Thread &#x27;Curt George&#x27; via Legacy Ornamental Mills

Nice job Tim!Keep up the good work. ;-)
C.A.G.
On Thursday, August 1, 2024 at 10:10:07 PM EDT, Tim Ziegler
wrote:

Ornamental lathe for sale/Eye Candy.

2024-07-18 Thread &#x27;Curt George&#x27; via Legacy Ornamental Mills

This is what Dreams are made from. ;-)Enjoy!
C.A.G.
Steve Johnson has a Holtzapffel lathe, #1741 he is looking to sell.  he 
describes it as:
 Not much is known of the history of this lathe, but it is one of the best 
equipped Holtz's still in existence, with a full height Cuban Mahogany cabinet 
equipped with fitted shelves for a wide variety of chucks and hand tools, and 
an under-cabinet of several drawers with the doors hung with Holtz turning 
tools. The lathe has riser blocks to allow for larger turnings than normal, and 
the bed is slightly longer than usual. There are also some Cuban Mahagony 
toolchest under the lathe (in the pictures) containing even more Holtz 
accessories, if I remember correctly a rose engine chuck, goniostat, and I 
forget the others.
 Steve is asking $80,000. The machine is located in Redmond, WA.  Transport or 
pick up at buyer expense. I can recommend local crating and freight companies 
if needed. Steve Johnson,
 If you are interested, please contact Steve johnsoncascadianr...@gmail.com
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Re: used tools

2024-07-16 Thread &#x27;Curt George&#x27; via Legacy Ornamental Mills

Hello there everyone.
Tim. I would suggest that having this Jimmie E-mail directly for sales a good
idea.But since all of these tools are high dollar amounts, I think photo's of
these tools would help,both our members and his/Jimmie's sale potential.
I wish you the best of luck on the sales of his tools, as well as his up-coming
surgery.C.A.G.
On Tuesday, July 16, 2024 at 12:46:41 PM EDT, Tim Ziegler
wrote:

On Mon, Jul 15, 2024, 6:12 PM Jimmie Worthman
wrote:

Hi,Would you be interested in buying some routers as I am letting go of them at
affordable prices... selling due to surgery reasons.
Axiom AR8 Pro V5 $6200
Router Table Package, with graphics $750
Woodmaster 718 $6000
Shaper Origin handheld CNC wood router $1700
JET 708433 JDS-12B 1-Horsepower 12-Inch Bench top Disc Sander $250
Oak Park Router Table $500

I am open to serious offers
Prices include shipping

Please email Jimmie directly for more information.
Kind Regards,
Timothy J. ZieglerZiegler WoodWork & SpecialtyZiegler Laser Worx LLC14171 160th
Ave.Foreston MN 56330
320-294-5798 shop320-630-2243 cell

Re: 🔥 Save $280 on the Trajan 125 Bandsaw Combo Kit – Limited Time Offer

2024-07-10 Thread &#x27;Curt George&#x27; via Legacy Ornamental Mills

 Neat saw.I'm sure is could cut down a Legacy 1800 and make it into two 900's. 
;-p
Sorry! with all kidding aside .
Thanks Tim, that saw looks to be pretty nice.
C.A.G.
On Wednesday, July 10, 2024 at 04:17:57 PM EDT, Tim Ziegler 
 wrote:  
 
 Not sure how we can tie this in with our LOM's but I sure thoughtof you guys 
when I saw it. (SAW IT) lol I am sure we all have cut bolts or something for 
our Legacy's and this sure wouldbeat the hack saw. 
Kind Regards,
Timothy J. ZieglerZiegler WoodWork & SpecialtyZiegler Laser Worx LLC14171 160th 
Ave.Foreston MN 56330
320-294-5798 shop320-630-2243 cell

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Re: NEW TOOL ALERT! EZ∙Drive System for Woodpeckers Slab Flattening Mills.

2024-07-09 Thread &#x27;Curt George&#x27; via Legacy Ornamental Mills

 "Man" that's neat !
Could be used on a Legacy, (almost?)
C.A.G.
On Tuesday, July 9, 2024 at 11:08:23 PM EDT,  wrote: 

Yea I saw that lol

Bill

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Tuesday, July 9, 2024 11:45 PM
To: LOM Group 
Subject: Fwd: NEW TOOL ALERT! EZ∙Drive System for Woodpeckers Slab Flattening 
Mills.

Now look at what they have come up with. 

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop

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Re: Red bone

2024-07-08 Thread &#x27;Curt George&#x27; via Legacy Ornamental Mills

 HI Dan
The Red dye is what I used, denatured alcohol and powered dye for Rockler 
(bought years ago.) I was shocked that more dye did not pernitrate the bone.As 
I stated this was a salvage project, so no matter how it turns out, I already 
have learned something new.
I knew that bone could be dyed in the past. but one thing that I did not count 
on is, MY bone is cut out from the middle of the farmer bone and I am cutting 
the outer edges, not the center which normally carry's  the blood and... I am 
starting to think as this bone like wood, the end grain stains much better the 
the harder outer edges.Perhaps the bone that way I cut it will not easily take 
on a colored dye?Anyhow we will see, More latter.
thank you for the suggestions.
have a good night.
C.A.G.On Monday, July 8, 2024 at 08:11:20 PM EDT, cdkr...@gmail.com 
 wrote:  
 
 Methinks another method of coloring might be worth a try.  Aniline powder 
dissolved in DNA (denatured alcohol) will penetrate most any thing that can be 
penetrated. The density of color can be controlled by how strong the solution 
is.  Methinks (without any experience) that if the bone were put into the dye 
while hot, it would help penetration as it cools. I love aniline dyes for 
wood.DanK  On Monday, July 8, 2024 at 11:35:01 AM UTC-4 Okla Mike (Liltwisted) 
wrote:

  
Also thinking about Easter bones LOL use Easter egg dye with vinegar to do the 
job.  That and the pressure could make it absorb.  It would have to be a post 
process or else it will cut away the color during milling.  
 Mike OK
 
 On 7/8/2024 5:58 AM, Tim Ziegler wrote:
  
 Good morning Curt, Bill and all participating in this particular subject.  
Sorry we were camping these last 4 days and having family time so I  stayed 
pretty quiet. lol.  
  So to add to this subject as for dying the bone a certain have you considered 
a  pressure pot Curt? That is how the guys get dye and stabilization to happen  
in the game call world. Not sure the length of time it would take to permeate  
into bone but worth a try.  Just something to think about.  
   Kind Regards, 
  Timothy J. Ziegler Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty Ziegler Laser Worx LLC 14171 
160th Ave. Foreston MN 56330 
  320-294-5798 shop 320-630-2243 cell
   
  On Sun, Jul 7, 2024 at 9:51 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 wrote:
  
   I don't think I own blue? (the only reason why I own RED, was for an repair 
job I did some 15 yrs ago.) I will go out to the shop tomorrow and see what I 
have.   
  Latter this week I can go to Wood Craft and see what dye they sell. 
  C.A.G. 
  On Sunday, July 7, 2024 at 10:43:49 PM EDT,  wrote: 
 
  
  
I don’t know red or perhaps blue
 
Bill
 
  
    
From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
 Sent: Monday, July 8, 2024 12:21 PM
 To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Red bone
   
  
   
HI Bill
   
  
   
Perhaps? but I think the colors will only hold onto were the red is. but that's 
only a guess.
   
What color would you suggest TO try?
   
  
   
C.A.G.
   
  
  
On Sunday, July 7, 2024 at 10:02:05 PM EDT,  wrote: 
   
  
   
  
  
How would soaking the bone in dye go for a more even color?
 
‘
 
 
 
Bill 
 
 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
 Sent: Monday, July 8, 2024 9:41 AM
 To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Red bone
   
 
   
I agree with you Bill.
   
 
   
But in this case One bone had a red tint that just stood out to much.
   
I figured, why not try?  I sanded the bones down and then stained them with red 
dye.
   
The dye only took ahold of the bone in cracks and in the one bone disks where 
the red
   
tint was already.
   
This one is a learning experience for me.
   
 
   
What I did today was to try to repair any and all defected spindles that I had 
made over the past few years.
   
I was able to salvage 3 bone handles,(Including the red bone.) there are still 
a few that I need to still try to repair sometime in the future. But at this 
time they will just sit and wait, for the day that, I either have to need, 
skill, or reason to spend the time to make there repairs.
   
I am not hurting for bone at this time.  I just finished up another batch of 
bone disks, (appx 400) and just now made some 8 new glued up blanks for more 
fun, to come. ;-)
   
 
   
Have a good day, everyone.
   
 
   
And Thank you Bill.
   
 
   
C.A.G.
   
 
   
 
  
On Sunday, July 7, 2024 at 07:00:45 PM EDT,  wrote: 
   
 
   
 
  
It’s different but I think I prefer the all white my self 
 
 
 
Bill
 
 
    
From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
 Sent: Monday, July 8, 2024 2:46 AM
 To: Legacy ornamental mills 
 Subject: Red bone
   
 
   
Hello everyone.
   
 
   
This bone turning had some red dye in some of the disks that could not be 
removed,(THE dye was from the red food coloring the supplier put into the bone) 
So I opted to stain the bone to

Re: Red bone

2024-07-08 Thread &#x27;Curt George&#x27; via Legacy Ornamental Mills

 HI guys.thank you for the ideas.  I Had  not thought of using a pressure  pot 
or egg dyes.all some good ideas, thank you.  ;-)
When I used my red dye, I soaked it for appx 1 min. then wiped the bone and dye 
off, leaving what you saw in the photo's.
C.A.G.
On Monday, July 8, 2024 at 11:48:55 AM EDT, M.W.Foscue 
 wrote:  
 
 
If a pressure pot doesn't work (or work well enough) - give thought to trying a 
vacuum chamber. 

If it's able to suck the air out of the voids in the bone - the dye solution 
may replace it.

Might be worth the try.

Mac

-Original Message-
From: 
Sent: Jul 8, 2024 11:35 AM
To: 
Subject: Re: Red bone

 

Also thinking about Easter bones LOL use Easter egg dye with vinegar to do the 
job.  That and the pressure could make it absorb.  It would have to be a post 
process or else it will cut away the color during milling.  
Mike OK

 
On 7/8/2024 5:58 AM, Tim Ziegler wrote:
Good morning Curt, Bill and all participating in this particular subject. Sorry 
we were camping these last 4 days and having family time so I stayed pretty 
quiet. lol.  So to add to this subject as for dying the bone a certain have you 
considered a pressure pot Curt? That is how the guys get dye and stabilization 
to happen in the game call world. Not sure the length of time it would take to 
permeate into bone but worth a try. Just something to think about. 
Kind Regards, Timothy J. Ziegler On Sun, Jul 7, 2024 at 9:51 PM 'Curt George' 
via Legacy Ornamental Mills  wrote:
I don't think I own blue? (the only reason why I own RED, was for an repair job 
I did some 15 yrs ago.) I will go out to the shop tomorrow and see what I have. 
  Latter this week I can go to Wood Craft and see what dye they sell. C.A.G. On 
Sunday, July 7, 2024 at 10:43:49 PM EDT,  wrote: 
I don’t know red or perhaps blue

Bill

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Monday, July 8, 2024 12:21 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Red bone

 

HI Bill

  

Perhaps? but I think the colors will only hold onto were the red is. but that's 
only a guess.

What color would you suggest TO try?

  

C.A.G.

 

On Sunday, July 7, 2024 at 10:02:05 PM EDT,  wrote: 

  


How would soaking the bone in dye go for a more even color?

 

Bill

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Monday, July 8, 2024 9:41 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Red bone

 

I agree with you Bill.

 

But in this case One bone had a red tint that just stood out to much.

I figured, why not try?  I sanded the bones down and then stained them with red 
dye.

The dye only took ahold of the bone in cracks and in the one bone disks where 
the red

tint was already.

This one is a learning experience for me.

 

What I did today was to try to repair any and all defected spindles that I had 
made over the past few years.

I was able to salvage 3 bone handles,(Including the red bone.) there are still 
a few that I need to still try to repair sometime in the future. But at this 
time they will just sit and wait, for the day that, I either have to need, 
skill, or reason to spend the time to make there repairs.

I am not hurting for bone at this time.  I just finished up another batch of 
bone disks, (appx 400) and just now made some 8 new glued up blanks for more 
fun, to come. ;-)

 

Have a good day, everyone.

 

And Thank you Bill.

 

C.A.G.

 

 On Sunday, July 7, 2024 at 07:00:45 PM EDT,  wrote: 

 

It’s different but I think I prefer the all white my self 

 

Bill

 

 From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Monday, July 8, 2024 2:46 AM
To: Legacy ornamental mills 
Subject: Red bone

 

Hello everyone.

 

This bone turning had some red dye in some of the disks that could not be 
removed,(THE dye was from the red food coloring the supplier put into the bone) 
So I opted to stain the bone to match.

 

I don't know if I'm happy with this or not? but it dose look different. ;-)

 

Please let me know what you thing?

 

C.A.G




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Re: Red bone

2024-07-07 Thread &#x27;Curt George&#x27; via Legacy Ornamental Mills

 I don't think I own blue? (the only reason why I own RED, was for an repair 
job I did some 15 yrs ago.) I will go out to the shop tomorrow and see what I 
have.  
Latter this week I can go to Wood Craft and see what dye they sell.
C.A.G.
On Sunday, July 7, 2024 at 10:43:49 PM EDT,  wrote:  
 
 
I don’t know red or perhaps blue

Bill

  

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Monday, July 8, 2024 12:21 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Red bone

  

HI Bill

  

Perhaps? but I think the colors will only hold onto were the red is. but that's 
only a guess.

What color would you suggest TO try?

  

C.A.G.

  

On Sunday, July 7, 2024 at 10:02:05 PM EDT,  wrote: 

  

  

How would soaking the bone in dye go for a more even color?

‘

 

Bill 

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Monday, July 8, 2024 9:41 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Red bone

 

I agree with you Bill.

 

But in this case One bone had a red tint that just stood out to much.

I figured, why not try?  I sanded the bones down and then stained them with red 
dye.

The dye only took ahold of the bone in cracks and in the one bone disks where 
the red

tint was already.

This one is a learning experience for me.

 

What I did today was to try to repair any and all defected spindles that I had 
made over the past few years.

I was able to salvage 3 bone handles,(Including the red bone.) there are still 
a few that I need to still try to repair sometime in the future. But at this 
time they will just sit and wait, for the day that, I either have to need, 
skill, or reason to spend the time to make there repairs.

I am not hurting for bone at this time.  I just finished up another batch of 
bone disks, (appx 400) and just now made some 8 new glued up blanks for more 
fun, to come. ;-)

 

Have a good day, everyone.

 

And Thank you Bill.

 

C.A.G.

 

 

On Sunday, July 7, 2024 at 07:00:45 PM EDT,  wrote: 

 

 

It’s different but I think I prefer the all white my self 

 

Bill

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Monday, July 8, 2024 2:46 AM
To: Legacy ornamental mills 
Subject: Red bone

 

Hello everyone.

 

This bone turning had some red dye in some of the disks that could not be 
removed,(THE dye was from the red food coloring the supplier put into the bone) 
So I opted to stain the bone to match.

 

I don't know if I'm happy with this or not? but it dose look different. ;-)

 

Please let me know what you thing?

 

C.A.G.

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Re: Red bone

2024-07-07 Thread &#x27;Curt George&#x27; via Legacy Ornamental Mills

 HI Bill
Perhaps? but I think the colors will only hold onto were the red is. but that's 
only a guess.What color would you suggest TO try?
C.A.G.
On Sunday, July 7, 2024 at 10:02:05 PM EDT,  wrote:  
 
 
How would soaking the bone in dye go for a more even color?

‘

  

Bill 

  

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Monday, July 8, 2024 9:41 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Red bone

  

I agree with you Bill.

  

But in this case One bone had a red tint that just stood out to much.

I figured, why not try?  I sanded the bones down and then stained them with red 
dye.

The dye only took ahold of the bone in cracks and in the one bone disks where 
the red

tint was already.

This one is a learning experience for me.

  

What I did today was to try to repair any and all defected spindles that I had 
made over the past few years.

I was able to salvage 3 bone handles,(Including the red bone.) there are still 
a few that I need to still try to repair sometime in the future. But at this 
time they will just sit and wait, for the day that, I either have to need, 
skill, or reason to spend the time to make there repairs.

I am not hurting for bone at this time.  I just finished up another batch of 
bone disks, (appx 400) and just now made some 8 new glued up blanks for more 
fun, to come. ;-)

  

Have a good day, everyone.

  

And Thank you Bill.

  

C.A.G.

  

  

On Sunday, July 7, 2024 at 07:00:45 PM EDT,  wrote: 

  

  

It’s different but I think I prefer the all white my self 

 

Bill

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Monday, July 8, 2024 2:46 AM
To: Legacy ornamental mills 
Subject: Red bone

 

Hello everyone.

 

This bone turning had some red dye in some of the disks that could not be 
removed,(THE dye was from the red food coloring the supplier put into the bone) 
So I opted to stain the bone to match.

 

I don't know if I'm happy with this or not? but it dose look different. ;-)

 

Please let me know what you thing?

 

C.A.G.

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Happy Independence day everyone./ 4 of July!

2024-07-04 Thread &#x27;Curt George&#x27; via Legacy Ornamental Mills

Hello 
I just wanted to wish everyone the very best on this holiday.
Have a Great day.  Get into the shop and make something. ;-)
C.A.G. 

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Re: wood bending with vinegar

2024-07-03 Thread &#x27;Curt George&#x27; via Legacy Ornamental Mills

Thanks Dan.I have used ammonia (Gas) to darken oak spindles on one of my
Antique repairs a few years back. It worked out very well. But I did not know
about Ammonia and water for bending woods.Thank you for the INFO. Perhaps this
too will be a one day project for me?
Thank you.
C.A.G.On Wednesday, July 3, 2024 at 09:17:09 AM EDT, cdkr...@gmail.com
wrote:

I've not tried vinegar but I would not expect it to out perform ammonia. A
cup of ammonia in warm to hot water will soften a 1/4" x 3/4" strip of walnut
enough to tie it in a square knot. Ribbon bows are a piece of cake. I
recently bent a sycamore piece 1/4 x 9 x 12 into a 1/2 cylinder dome for a box
lid. The radius of the bend was about 4 inches.DanK

On Tuesday, July 2, 2024 at 9:41:51 PM UTC-4 Tim Ziegler wrote:

sounds good Curt, let us know your results if you do it.
Kind Regards,
Timothy J. ZieglerZiegler WoodWork & SpecialtyZiegler Laser Worx LLC14171 160th
Ave.Foreston MN 56330
320-294-5798 shop320-630-2243 cell
On Tue, Jul 2, 2024 at 8:25 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
wrote:

The funny thing here is, I already have a few gal. of vinegar . I use it for
a number of things, (such as a cleaner/descaler for mineral deposits.) Perhaps
once I get caught up with my project list? (the question is not "IF" but when?
I will be trying this out for my self. "One day". ;-)
C.A.G.
On Tuesday, July 2, 2024 at 09:04:33 PM EDT, Tim Ziegler
wrote:

Hey Curt welcome back. Yes we have some others going to try it so what have we
to lose right.
Kind Regards,
Timothy J. ZieglerZiegler WoodWork & SpecialtyZiegler Laser Worx LLC14171 160th
Ave.Foreston MN 56330
320-294-5798 shop320-630-2243 cell

On Tue, Jul 2, 2024 at 7:30 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
wrote:

Hello Everyone. (I'm back!)
This story/vinegar bending is a new one to me! I like it. Nice find Bill.
C.A.G.
On Tuesday, July 2, 2024 at 06:53:40 PM EDT, Shuai Robert
wrote:

Also I've heard of ammonia or other volatile solvents working well in vacuum
chamber or might've been pressurized back in the day when they did the
experiment.
So logic tells me I will try vinegar in vacuum chamber to help with penetration.
On Mon, Jul 1, 2024, 11:47 PM wrote:

Found this anyone done this? some of you guys might find it interesting

https://woodworkly.com/how-to-bend-wood-with-vinegar/

Bill

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Re: To all new members

2024-07-02 Thread &#x27;Curt George&#x27; via Legacy Ornamental Mills

Hey Tim
I do have some idea, that I plan to look in to .I'm not giving up on my bone
turnings, but I do have some ideas on new projects.
More latter.
C.A.G.
On Tuesday, July 2, 2024 at 09:33:50 PM EDT, Tim Ziegler
wrote:

Welcome all you new member's.
Sorry to hear no whale bone Curt. That would be cool to try some of that for
sure. We need to research some new products to replace or add to the bone
turning for sure. Welcome back to Curt, great to have you taking the reins
again.

Kind Regards,
Timothy J. ZieglerZiegler WoodWork & SpecialtyZiegler Laser Worx LLC14171 160th
Ave.Foreston MN 56330
320-294-5798 shop320-630-2243 cell

On Tue, Jul 2, 2024 at 8:05 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
wrote:

Hello Everyone.
I would like to welcome a number of new members to the group.
Please be advised that it take a number of e-mails (appx. 5) send to the group
in order to get full access for the posting of the group, without having me or
Tim K. grant access for posting messages to the group.
To everyone, I am sorry that I have been away for the last week. So a few new
people were keep hanging in Limbo (so to speak.) until I was able to get back
on a computer and grant access.
I am glad to see we have had a few interesting topic while I was gone. for
those members who keep things moving, I do thank you.
As for me, I went to Alaska to find some Whale Bone. ( That's Only a half
truth, ;-) )I really took my wife on an Alaskan cruse for our 30yr
anniversary. (but I did look for whale bone in 3 city's where we stopped at.
Sadly I was not able to find any whale bone, that was not already carved. (and
you wouldn't believe the prices those carving's sold for! Way out side my
price range.) ;-)
Now back to the original context of this message.
Welcome to the group everyone, Please post any idea, or problems you may
have,This group was formed with the context/ purpose . of Learning how to
become the best woodworker possible. By the way of using the Legacy Ornamental
Mill . (L.O.M.) So I invite everyone to post, share and talk as much as you
can, in the hope, That we all can learn form each others experiences .
C.A.G.

Re: wood bending with vinegar

2024-07-02 Thread &#x27;Curt George&#x27; via Legacy Ornamental Mills

On Tue, Jul 2, 2024 at 7:30 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
wrote:

Hello Everyone. (I'm back!)
This story/vinegar bending is a new one to me! I like it. Nice find Bill.
C.A.G.
On Tuesday, July 2, 2024 at 06:53:40 PM EDT, Shuai Robert
wrote:

Found this anyone done this? some of you guys might find it interesting

https://woodworkly.com/how-to-bend-wood-with-vinegar/

Bill

New Legacy CNC stool video

2024-07-02 Thread &#x27;Curt George&#x27; via Legacy Ornamental Mills

Hello everyone.this video is nice, But the nicest things about it, is...  WE 
the LOM userscan do things like this, on our mills.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuAjt2zd1AA

Remember, "Legacy, the Only Imitation, is your emanation".
C.A.G.

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Re: Side Cutting on the Legacy vs the Nova O. T.

2024-07-02 Thread &#x27;Curt George&#x27; via Legacy Ornamental Mills

Wow! Tim.

That's Awesome.  I cant wait to see more.
I really Like it !

C.A.G.

On Saturday, June 29, 2024 at 11:38:37 AM UTC-4 timjz...@gmail.com wrote:

> For sure Bill.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
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> On Sat, Jun 29, 2024 at 8:11 AM  wrote:
>
>> Very similar to the legacy brick pattern very nice Tim I’m still green lol
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  
>> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
>> *Sent:* Saturday, June 29, 2024 9:09 PM
>> *To:* LOM Group ; Tim Ziegler <
>> timjz...@gmail.com>
>> *Subject:* Side Cutting on the Legacy vs the Nova O. T.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Did an interesting test last night on the Nova Ornamental Turner Jig, 
>> which I have done also on my LOM 1200. This particular cutter however can 
>> do radius or profiles because of the direction you can come in at, not just 
>> from the side but the cutter is turning in a way that the cut is made in a 
>> up or down motion. 
>>
>> I could possibly do this with my horizontal router mounted in the LOM, 
>> but may have a higher chance of burning as the RPMs are a fair amount 
>> higher. 
>>
>> The piece in the picture was done on the lathe at about 1000 RPM's. 
>>
>> I did get some chipping and as you can see the first couple rows were in 
>> alignment with each other and was supposed to be staggered. Oops
>>
>> Now on another note: If you want this pattern in a flat and not radiused 
>> you can
>>
>> do this on your Legacy with your current router position running from the 
>> top and a small flat bottom cut bit and your indexing plate. This pattern 
>> is sometimes referred to as the basket weave pattern. 
>>
>> Very nice patterns for small round boxes. 
>>
>> Give it a try and see what you can come up with. Maybe many of you have 
>> already done this and have some projects to share
>>
>>  
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>>  
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
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>>
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Re: wood bending with vinegar

2024-07-02 Thread &#x27;Curt George&#x27; via Legacy Ornamental Mills

Hello Everyone. (I'm back!)
This story/vinegar bending is a new one to me! I like it. Nice find Bill.
C.A.G.
On Tuesday, July 2, 2024 at 06:53:40 PM EDT, Shuai Robert
wrote:

Found this anyone done this? some of you guys might find it interesting

https://woodworkly.com/how-to-bend-wood-with-vinegar/

Bill

Re: router crafter

2024-06-18 Thread &#x27;Curt George&#x27; via Legacy Ornamental Mills

 Hi guys.
Its all "Eye Candy" (Things that Dreams are made of.) ;-)
I use to work with a man, who told me, His Wife dose not care where his apatite 
comes form, Just as long ashe comes home to eat. 
The copy carver works along those lines.  It dose not matter where the idea 
came form, If I can use an idea... it may open up a world of possibility's for 
future projects.
Have a good night.
C.A.G.
On Tuesday, June 18, 2024 at 06:58:19 AM EDT, Tim Ziegler 
 wrote:  
 
 Yeah some very good stuff Bill. Always fascinating all the stuff out there. 
Kind Regards,
Timothy J. ZieglerZiegler WoodWork & SpecialtyZiegler Laser Worx LLC14171 160th 
Ave.Foreston MN 56330
320-294-5798 shop320-630-2243 cell

On Tue, Jun 18, 2024 at 2:05 AM  wrote:


Yea I said he had a couple of other good ones too

 

Bill

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2024 1:37 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: router crafter

 

Hey there everyone.

 

I Just found another video by the same guy.  
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IoHu96BD18

 

I think this one is also pretty neat. 

 

C.A.G.

 

On Monday, June 17, 2024 at 11:07:35 PM EDT, Tim Ziegler 
 wrote: 

 

 

Great stuff Bill and thanks for sharing will watch that tomorrow for sure. 




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Mon, Jun 17, 2024 at 7:25 PM  wrote:


The router crafter and the legacy are not that much different there are a lot 
of really great ideas here we could all do on our mills

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGD1tAz-CrQ&ab_channel=A1-CustomFabricationSolutions

 

some of his other videos are good too

 

Bill

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Re: router crafter

2024-06-17 Thread &#x27;Curt George&#x27; via Legacy Ornamental Mills

Hey there everyone.
I Just found another video by the same guy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IoHu96BD18
I think this one is also pretty neat.
C.A.G.
On Monday, June 17, 2024 at 11:07:35 PM EDT, Tim Ziegler
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Great stuff Bill and thanks for sharing will watch that tomorrow for sure.
Kind Regards,
Timothy J. ZieglerZiegler WoodWork & SpecialtyZiegler Laser Worx LLC14171 160th
Ave.Foreston MN 56330
320-294-5798 shop320-630-2243 cell

On Mon, Jun 17, 2024 at 7:25 PM wrote:

The router crafter and the legacy are not that much different there are a lot
of really great ideas here we could all do on our mills

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGD1tAz-CrQ&ab_channel=A1-CustomFabricationSolutions

some of his other videos are good too

Bill

Re: router crafter

2024-06-17 Thread &#x27;Curt George&#x27; via Legacy Ornamental Mills

Hello Bill.

Now that's a nice video ( I truly enjoyed watching it.)
You are right the Router Crafter and the Legacy are distance cozens to each
other. They were made to do the same types of work. (differently) I did not see
anything in this video that could not be made with the Legacy. As I said
before, I did enjoy watching this video. (Video's like this we call "Eye
Candy". that is, they get the mind active, and sometimes excited. You say to
your self. I can do that! ) ;-)
Thanks Bill. (Good find!)
C.A.G.
On Monday, June 17, 2024 at 08:25:41 PM EDT, bulke...@mmnet.com.au
wrote:

The router crafter and the legacy are not that much different there are a lot
of really great ideas here we could all do on our mills

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGD1tAz-CrQ&ab_channel=A1-CustomFabricationSolutions

some of his other videos are good too

Bill

Re: Father's Day

2024-06-16 Thread &#x27;Curt George&#x27; via Legacy Ornamental Mills

 Lucky guy! you get to celebrate twice !  ;-)
Have a great day! Bill. 
C.A.G.
On Sunday, June 16, 2024 at 05:47:43 PM EDT,  wrote: 
 
 
 
Not for me our father’s day is first Sunday in September

  

Bill

  

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 12:38 AM
To: LOM Group 
Subject: Father's Day

  

Happy Father's Day to all you fathers our there. 

Blessings on your day. 

  

With Prayers,

  

  

Tim J Ziegler 

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC 

Ziegler WoodWork and Specialty 

  

  

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Re: Father's Day

2024-06-16 Thread &#x27;Curt George&#x27; via Legacy Ornamental Mills

 Thank you Tim.
And I Hope, You have a GREAT Day as well. ;-)
C.A.G.
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 Happy Father's Day to all you fathers our there. Blessings on your day. 
With Prayers,

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Re: flat stock clamping

2024-06-12 Thread &#x27;Curt George&#x27; via Legacy Ornamental Mills

 Welcome back Cole!
I am glad to here you are still around. Although I am sorry to hear about your 
Cancer.I too, will be Praying for you.
take care.
C.A.G.
On Wednesday, June 12, 2024 at 06:46:36 PM EDT, Tim Ziegler 
 wrote:  
 
 Oh hey Praying for fast recovery, and healing. Keep in touch.
On Wed, Jun 12, 2024, 4:51 PM Cole Andrews  wrote:

Right now I am working on my Icon corner ,we're orthodox . I am on
disability right due to cancer so I work on it on days when I feel
good


On Wed, Jun 12, 2024 at 2:51 PM Tim Ziegler  wrote:
>
> Hey Cole,
>
> Great to hear from you. Can you share a few pix of what you're doing?
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
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> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 12, 2024 at 2:08 PM Cole Andrews  wrote:
>>
>> Yes already trying to go that direction for as many jigs as I can.
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 10, 2024 at 9:43 PM Tim Ziegler  wrote:
>> >
>> > Yeah that is pretty slick Bill, thanks for sharing that.
>> >
>> > Kind Regards,
>> >
>> > Timothy J. Ziegler
>> > Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>> > Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>> > 14171 160th Ave.
>> > Foreston MN 56330
>> >
>> > 320-294-5798 shop
>> > 320-630-2243 cell
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jun 10, 2024 at 6:28 PM  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaCgoUQilVQ&t=4s&ab_channel=MICROJIG
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I think this system might be really good for flat stock work on the 
>> >> legacy, just mill up a base board mount it to the rails and set up your 
>> >> work.
>> >>
>> >> Also would work on the rotary table too. I think this is just what we 
>> >> need for our mills what do you all think?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Bill
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Re: Today's project

2024-06-10 Thread &#x27;Curt George&#x27; via Legacy Ornamental Mills

Put on it?
I had plan to make it into a magnifying glass handle. I still have not found a
better product to make using bone. Pens and other tool, just seem wrong for
bone. Its both the size factor of what I can make, as well as the type of tool
needed. If dropped bone can crack or break. A Magnifying glass will break if
its misused, so you need to take care of it. the two were made in the same
mind-set. Perhaps a china bell or some other, "Old Lady" type of tools could
be made using bone. but at this time the Magnifying glass is the best object
that I know of to use this bone process for.This is a learning experience for
me. NOT Only how to turn bone, but to make new and different shapes and
designs/patterns, on my spindles that I make out of bone.
So I am hoping someone will come up with a better idea, for me . But until that
time happens , I will be just making bone handles. And one day mount the
Magnifying glass on to the bone to make a finished project.
talk to you all more latter.Have a good night.
C.A.G.
On Monday, June 10, 2024 at 10:41:26 PM EDT, Tim Ziegler
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Hey Curt,
I like that a lot. Looks awesome. Now what are you going to put it on?
Kind Regards,
Timothy J. ZieglerZiegler WoodWork & SpecialtyZiegler Laser Worx LLC14171 160th
Ave.Foreston MN 56330
320-294-5798 shop320-630-2243 cell

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wrote:

Hello everyone.
I found some time in the shop today.
I am playing around with new/different designs with mybone handles. this is a
roped ball in the mid-section of the handle.
Please let me know what you think.
C.A.G.

Re: flat stock clamping

2024-06-10 Thread &#x27;Curt George&#x27; via Legacy Ornamental Mills

 That looks Nice!
I need to take a closer look into those.
Thank you Bill.
Great find.
C.A.G.
On Monday, June 10, 2024 at 07:28:28 PM EDT, bulke...@mmnet.com.au 
 wrote:  
 
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaCgoUQilVQ&t=4s&ab_channel=MICROJIG

  

I think this system might be really good for flat stock work on the legacy, 
just mill up a base board mount it to the rails and set up your work.

Also would work on the rotary table too. I think this is just what we need for 
our mills what do you all think?

  

Bill
 

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Re: Today's project

2024-06-10 Thread &#x27;Curt George&#x27; via Legacy Ornamental Mills

 Thank you Bill.
I agree, sometimes simple is the best. But sadly making something look simple, 
isn't always easy. ;-)
C.A.G.
On Monday, June 10, 2024 at 07:18:30 PM EDT,  wrote: 
 
 
 
Very very nice curt I like it lots sometimes simpler looks better

  

Bill

  

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2024 8:26 AM
To: Legacy ornamental mills 
Subject: Today's project

  

Hello everyone.

  

I found some time in the shop today.

  

I am playing around with new/different designs with my

bone handles. 

this is a roped ball in the mid-section of the handle.

  

Please let me know what you think.

  

C.A.G.

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Re: Method for aligning mill

2024-06-09 Thread &#x27;Curt George&#x27; via Legacy Ornamental Mills

 Good morning.
ONE more note of milling slots and mortices.
I like to use 1/2" endmills for these type of jobs.  You will find the endmills 
(made for mills made for steel/metal removal. ) I have a few that are 6" and 8" 
long, vs the wood router bits which are normally 3"-4" long.When buying 
endmills look for 2-or 3 fluted endmills. (the gullet/flute, is made to take 
the chip away from the work piece as it cuts. More flutes the better for steel 
removal, but the larger 2-3 flutes work better to remove softer materials like 
Alum. or wood form what is being cut.)  Endmills pricing is also somewhat 
cheaper then wood router bits. (and I think the quality is also better.) As a 
general note, when buying endmills, If asked, I tell them that I am milling 
Alum. (I don't tell them I'm milling wood.)Best of luck on your project, Please 
let us know how it turns out for you. ;-)
C.A.G.
On Sunday, June 9, 2024 at 07:31:39 AM EDT, Markus Visnotius 
 wrote:  
 
 
Thanks all.

Square stock.  Embarassingly, I hadn't considered putting it between centers.  
Have a plywood "top" with soon to be cut dog holes that sits on the inner 
aluminum extrusions.  I figured I should be sure the dog holes are parallel and 
perpendicular to the carriage path and that got me looking at the carriage.  
The carriage cross pieces and the main aluminum strut are not perpendicular.  I 
guess it's still possible that the "cuts" will be.

The steel rod seems good for checking runout.  For testing if the xy is 90, why 
not use a bit to mill along the length of the mill and then mill perpendicular 
using the carriage?  Then check that with a square... Some wasted lumber...

I was thinking the owner's manual would tell me what screws to adjust for 
squaring up the carriage, but maybe I should just disassemble the carriage and 
put it back together so I can understand what all those screws are doing.

Thanks again,
Mark

On Sun, Jun 9, 2024, 12:43 AM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 wrote:

 Hi guys!
Mark what are you morticing? round or square stock? On a table or between 
centers?
If you plan to do something between centers, I would suggest to lock the 
tailstock end of your woodby using a wood or alum. bracket to lock the end of  
your spindle in place so it will not move. I have found that the 
headstock/locking index plates can slip while you are cutting larger sized 
spindles.

Just my two cents worth of it.
Have a good night.
C.A.G.
On Saturday, June 8, 2024 at 11:19:21 PM EDT, Tim Ziegler 
 wrote:  
 
 good stuff Mike thanks for sharing for Mark.
Kind Regards,
Timothy J. ZieglerZiegler WoodWork & SpecialtyZiegler Laser Worx LLC14171 160th 
Ave.Foreston MN 56330
320-294-5798 shop320-630-2243 cell

On Sat, Jun 8, 2024 at 2:28 PM Okla Mike (Liltwisted)  
wrote:

  
One really easy way to check for 90º is unplug the router and insert a 1/2" 
steel rod about 12 inches long, wood will work as well.  It doesn't need to be 
chucked into the collet too tight and therefore you have a little wiggle room.  
Roll the rod on a tablesaw top or another very flat surface to make sure that 
it rolls true and then either adjust with a dead blow hammer or if it is as 
true as you can see, chuck it in.  Once it is chucked in,  Rotate it to make 
sure it is running true and not stirring the pot.  If it is making circles at 
the bottom away from the collet, loosen the collet and lean on it a little in 
the correction direction and snug up the collet.  Repeat until it is running 
true, flip the bar over if it won't true up.  If you can't get it to true up, 
no matter what you do, you may have a bent router shaft and now you know where 
the vibration is coming from.  When it does true up, you will have a straight 
representation of the cut and will be able to use a square on the x an y axis 
to check your router and carriage orientation.  
 
 
Mike OK
 
 

 
 On 6/8/2024 1:52 PM, Mark wrote:
  
 I picked up a 1000EX (I think) 5+ years ago and didn't get a chance to do 
anything with it. 
  I have a need to route some deep mortises and it seems like a good little 
project to try on the 1000EX. 
  I started looking at how to hold down work and I think I'm good there, but 
now I'm more concerned about whether the x-y provided by the struts and the 
carriage is 90 degrees. 
  Is there a procedure for adjusting the router carriage?   I started watching 
the old videos but most of them seem to be more about how to use the mill to 
cut spindles.   
  Did anyone track down that manual that has been asked about here a few times? 
 Does anyone remember the file name?  I might actually have saved a digital 
copy of it a few  years ago, but finding it could be tricky. 
  Thanks, Mark 
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Re: Method for aligning mill

2024-06-08 Thread &#x27;Curt George&#x27; via Legacy Ornamental Mills

Hi guys!
Mark what are you morticing? round or square stock? On a table or between
centers?
If you plan to do something between centers, I would suggest to lock the
tailstock end of your woodby using a wood or alum. bracket to lock the end of
your spindle in place so it will not move. I have found that the
headstock/locking index plates can slip while you are cutting larger sized
spindles.

Just my two cents worth of it.
Have a good night.
C.A.G.
On Saturday, June 8, 2024 at 11:19:21 PM EDT, Tim Ziegler
wrote:

good stuff Mike thanks for sharing for Mark.
Kind Regards,
Timothy J. ZieglerZiegler WoodWork & SpecialtyZiegler Laser Worx LLC14171 160th
Ave.Foreston MN 56330
320-294-5798 shop320-630-2243 cell

On Sat, Jun 8, 2024 at 2:28 PM Okla Mike (Liltwisted)
wrote:

One really easy way to check for 90º is unplug the router and insert a 1/2"
steel rod about 12 inches long, wood will work as well. It doesn't need to be
chucked into the collet too tight and therefore you have a little wiggle room.
Roll the rod on a tablesaw top or another very flat surface to make sure that
it rolls true and then either adjust with a dead blow hammer or if it is as
true as you can see, chuck it in. Once it is chucked in, Rotate it to make
sure it is running true and not stirring the pot. If it is making circles at
the bottom away from the collet, loosen the collet and lean on it a little in
the correction direction and snug up the collet. Repeat until it is running
true, flip the bar over if it won't true up. If you can't get it to true up,
no matter what you do, you may have a bent router shaft and now you know where
the vibration is coming from. When it does true up, you will have a straight
representation of the cut and will be able to use a square on the x an y axis
to check your router and carriage orientation.

Mike OK

On 6/8/2024 1:52 PM, Mark wrote:

I picked up a 1000EX (I think) 5+ years ago and didn't get a chance to do
anything with it.
I have a need to route some deep mortises and it seems like a good little
project to try on the 1000EX.
I started looking at how to hold down work and I think I'm good there, but
now I'm more concerned about whether the x-y provided by the struts and the
carriage is 90 degrees.
Is there a procedure for adjusting the router carriage? I started watching
the old videos but most of them seem to be more about how to use the mill to
cut spindles.
Did anyone track down that manual that has been asked about here a few times?
Does anyone remember the file name? I might actually have saved a digital
copy of it a few years ago, but finding it could be tricky.
Thanks, Mark
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Re: You Tube for Nova Ornamental jig lathe attachment

2024-06-07 Thread &#x27;Curt George&#x27; via Legacy Ornamental Mills

 Hey Tim.
As far as I know Nova only made two OT 
videos.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8mrP4KJIi0  #2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_A61S0pg8qY #1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AHOfuIBP8I&t=56s Ja Ho.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OljU1B_m_6w Erik Spatt made a nice video on the 
same topic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCDmwz91phM  Making wood threads with a router. 
(Not OT but works like what you will be buying.)
 Im sure there are more out there, but Most OT videos are of the Rose Engine 
lathe, Very nice machine but it works differently then the NOVA dose.
I wish you the best of luck, And I too, cant wait to see what you come up with. 
;-)
C.A.G.On Friday, June 7, 2024 at 11:29:56 PM EDT, Tim Ziegler 
 wrote:  
 
 I am looking for videos or You tubes on this if anyone can help. I found 2 
short ones that are less then 5 minutes long. 
Kind Regards,
Timothy J. ZieglerZiegler WoodWork & SpecialtyZiegler Laser Worx LLC14171 160th 
Ave.Foreston MN 56330
320-294-5798 shop320-630-2243 cell

On Fri, Jun 7, 2024 at 8:24 PM  wrote:


Congrates Tim I cant wait to see some really cool stuff coming from you and it 
I wish I was you lol

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2024 1:18 AM
To: LOM Group 
Subject: You Tube for Nova Ornamental jig lathe attachment

 

Good morning all, 

 

I am looking for Videos on the Nova Ornamental Jig lathe attachment. 

Any help would be good. So far I have found 2 three minute video's on it. 

I actually would like to find the video that comes with the jig too. 

Yes I purchased on I found on Market Place and is arriving today. 

Am I excited? No, I am ecstatic lol. 

 

 




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

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Re: reeds and flutes

2024-06-03 Thread &#x27;Curt George&#x27; via Legacy Ornamental Mills

 Hey JOE!  ( I hope you are doing well?)
Yes there is a world of difference for production tools and ones made for home 
use.The shaper unit that I saw first hand. (which looks like the one used in 
this video's.) had a pattern on the base, that the shaper followed. It could be 
a very dangerous tool.  That's why I promote the Legacy's version. (But I did 
enjoy seeing this video.) ;-)   The Legacy has some draw-back, and problems 
with some of the methods of use. but Bye far it is a safe tool when used as 
designed.
Take care Joe.  Its nice to see you posting again. (I always enjoy your 
thoughts. Thank you.)
C.A.G.

On Monday, June 3, 2024 at 08:42:37 AM EDT, 'finu...@aol.com' via Legacy 
Ornamental Mills  wrote:  
 
 regarding the Youtube video and the technique this person is using, is the 
exact way we have been fluting and reeding on legs, finials, bedposts, stair 
balusters, etc. for over 30 years ... a French splindle shaper with an indexing 
device... and I have to disagree, this is a far better and faster method to do 
these types of cuts... unlike a Legacy, no templates are necessary... the 
spindle "rides" along the profile of the piece being worked on... you need a 
gentle touch when doing this, but it is easily mastered... the profile of the 
cut desired is easily done as you only need to grind one cutter... the knife is 
then locked into the center of the shaper spindle and most times extends past 
the face of the spindle usually no more than 1/4" to 3/8" when doing these 
types of "kiss" milling cuts... I will say that this method is better suited 
when doing production work(as the person in the video is doing) and this method 
was eliminated by OSHA a long time ago... the Legacy is excellent for small 
runs, but you will need to make a template... regards... Joe Biunno

On Monday, June 3, 2024 at 6:52:05 AM UTC-4 Tim Ziegler wrote:

I watched a guitar player that only had his feet. No arms. He was actually  
very good. 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Mel%C3%A9ndez#:~:text=Jos%C3%A9%20Antonio%20Mel%C3%A9ndez%20Rodr%C3%ADguez%20(born,the%20guitar%20with%20his%20feet.
Kind Regards,
Timothy J. ZieglerZiegler WoodWork & SpecialtyZiegler Laser Worx LLC14171 160th 
Ave.Foreston MN 56330
320-294-5798 shop320-630-2243 cell
On Sun, Jun 2, 2024 at 10:11 PM  wrote:


Its way beyond me I haven’t even seen my feet for 10 years  lol

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Monday, June 3, 2024 12:52 PM
To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: reeds and flutes

 

Yeah thinking I would need a hydraulic stool with a back rest.

 


Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Sun, Jun 2, 2024 at 7:49 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 wrote:


Yes I enjoy those too.

BUT getting anyone in the group to try use there feet with the Legacy, could be 
a hard sell. ;-p

 

Have a good day.

 

C.A.G.

 

On Sunday, June 2, 2024 at 03:06:08 AM EDT,  wrote: 

 

 

Yea I like other videos of him holding his wood lathe cutting tools with his 
feet

 

Bill

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Sunday, June 2, 2024 1:55 PM
To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: reeds and flutes

 

Very Nice!

Eye Candy for the Legacy user. 

OUR way is better. (although that guy most likely has done far more flutes that 
the average LOM user.) He did make it look easy.   ;-)

 

C.A.G.

On Saturday, June 1, 2024 at 09:47:55 PM EDT, bulk...@mmnet.com.au 
 wrote: 

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3D0One7qsw&ab_channel=Anyskill

 

reeds and flutes on a spindle and you don’t have a legacy no problem lol

 

Bill

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Re: reeds and flutes

2024-06-02 Thread &#x27;Curt George&#x27; via Legacy Ornamental Mills

 Yes I enjoy those too.BUT getting anyone in the group to try use there feet 
with the Legacy, could be a hard sell. ;-p
Have a good day.
C.A.G.
On Sunday, June 2, 2024 at 03:06:08 AM EDT,  wrote:  
 
 
Yea I like other videos of him holding his wood lathe cutting tools with his 
feet

  

Bill

  

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Sunday, June 2, 2024 1:55 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: reeds and flutes

  

Very Nice!

Eye Candy for the Legacy user. 

OUR way is better. (although that guy most likely has done far more flutes that 
the average LOM user.) He did make it look easy.   ;-)

  

C.A.G.

On Saturday, June 1, 2024 at 09:47:55 PM EDT, bulke...@mmnet.com.au 
 wrote: 

  

  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3D0One7qsw&ab_channel=Anyskill

 

reeds and flutes on a spindle and you don’t have a legacy no problem lol

 

Bill

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Re: reeds and flutes

2024-06-01 Thread &#x27;Curt George&#x27; via Legacy Ornamental Mills

 Very Nice!Eye Candy for the Legacy user. OUR way is better. (although that guy 
most likely has done far more flutes that the average LOM user.) He did make it 
look easy.   ;-)
C.A.G.On Saturday, June 1, 2024 at 09:47:55 PM EDT, bulke...@mmnet.com.au 
 wrote:  
 
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3D0One7qsw&ab_channel=Anyskill

  

reeds and flutes on a spindle and you don’t have a legacy no problem lol

  

Bill
 

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Re: Legacy for sale, Mooresville NC

2024-06-01 Thread &#x27;Curt George&#x27; via Legacy Ornamental Mills

 Hey Guys!
The Motto of the Yankee Trader comes to mind.  "Buyer Beware"
Again this sale might be on the UP & Up. but...? its starting to sound more 
like something is WRONG."Something smells Fishy here".
I hope I'm wrong.
C.A.G.
On Saturday, June 1, 2024 at 07:06:38 AM EDT, Tim Ziegler 
 wrote:  
 
 exactly Sir 
Kind Regards,
Timothy J. ZieglerZiegler WoodWork & SpecialtyZiegler Laser Worx LLC14171 160th 
Ave.Foreston MN 56330
320-294-5798 shop320-630-2243 cell

On Sat, Jun 1, 2024 at 2:37 AM  wrote:


Yea so without asking we will never know 

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Saturday, June 1, 2024 12:43 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Legacy for sale, Mooresville NC

 

No motor and controls on the one shown in the picture but he also said that one 
pictured is not his. 

lol 


Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Fri, May 31, 2024 at 7:27 PM  wrote:


If it had a motor and controllers on it I would be interested in paying half 
with someone and all I want is the motor and controllers off it

 

Bill

 

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 On Behalf Of Ed Trevillian
Sent: Saturday, June 1, 2024 8:29 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Legacy for sale, Mooresville NC

 

https://www.facebook.com/share/ppXtnudodiXSe7qh/?mibextid=kL3p88 

 

He is Asking $650 on Facebook.

 

Ed Trevillian

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Re: Legacy for sale, Mooresville NC

2024-05-31 Thread &#x27;Curt George&#x27; via Legacy Ornamental Mills

 Hello Everyone.
What a bad photo!What I do see is, there is a ball bearing headstock and acme 
screw supports.there is legs and adjustable bed, newer ladder steps in the 
adjustment locks.there is a dust bag inside the rails.sellers 
remarks...accessories include circular attachment already installed, vertical 
and horizontal brackets that install easily into body for different tasks...

IF someone is looking, I would ask for more photo's. The price is Fair, if not 
a little low, if everything is on the up & up? (Most people normally want more 
money then the tool is worth.) So I would ask more questions, and do some 
homework.I would ask about the gears, (7 Drive gears and any duplex sets, 
Standard,.25, X2)Best of luck to any who may want to buy this Legacy. At face 
value it looks like a good machine.
C.A.G.
On Friday, May 31, 2024 at 10:43:41 PM EDT, Tim Ziegler 
 wrote:  
 
 No motor and controls on the one shown in the picture but he also said that 
one pictured is not his. lol 
Kind Regards,
Timothy J. ZieglerZiegler WoodWork & SpecialtyZiegler Laser Worx LLC14171 160th 
Ave.Foreston MN 56330
320-294-5798 shop320-630-2243 cell

On Fri, May 31, 2024 at 7:27 PM  wrote:


If it had a motor and controllers on it I would be interested in paying half 
with someone and all I want is the motor and controllers off it

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Ed Trevillian
Sent: Saturday, June 1, 2024 8:29 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Legacy for sale, Mooresville NC

 

https://www.facebook.com/share/ppXtnudodiXSe7qh/?mibextid=kL3p88 

 

He is Asking $650 on Facebook.

 

Ed Trevillian

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Re: Legacy Ornamental 1000 Mill Instruction Manual

2024-05-30 Thread &#x27;Curt George&#x27; via Legacy Ornamental Mills

 Hello Everyone.
Bill I think the  Legacy 1000ex is the same as the 1500 or the 1000 EXL the 
only differences are the length of the rail and the angle pitch charts. At the 
very least the 1000ex will get Chris in the ball park as for as understanding 
how the Legacy works.Thank you.
C.A.G.
On Thursday, May 30, 2024 at 06:00:35 PM EDT,  
wrote:  
 
 
Got it thank you very much I might be wrong but I don’t think that manual is 
the manual Chris needs I think his mill is a 1500EXL or a 1000 EXL 

  

Bill

  

  

  

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Bob Mark
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2024 7:19 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Legacy Ornamental 1000 Mill Instruction Manual

  

Bill,

I sent to your gmail address, see if it is there. Of course i can resend when i 
get back to my computer.

Sent from Bob Mark's iPad






On May 30, 2024, at 1:49 PM, Tim Ziegler  wrote:





Hey Bill I sent him your address. 




Kind Regards,

  

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

  

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

  

  

On Thu, May 30, 2024 at 3:39 PM  wrote:


oops Ok try bulke...@mmnet.com.au I hit the wrong key on my email address  
sorry 

 

Bill

 

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 On Behalf Of rdgbo...@gmail.com
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2024 2:04 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Legacy Ornamental 1000 Mill Instruction Manual

 

Bill, not sure how to respond to you only. But, my email wouldn’t go through to 
this address. It said address not found. Any ideas?

 

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 On Behalf Of bulke...@mmnet.com.au
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2024 11:22 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Legacy Ornamental 1000 Mill Instruction Manual

 

Hi my I have a copy too my email address is bulke...@mmnet.com.au

Regards Bill

 

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 On Behalf Of Bob Mark
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2024 2:33 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Legacy Ornamental 1000 Mill Instruction Manual

 

I have a manual circa 2006. If you send me an email address i will forward.. 
it is a out 300 mb.

Sent from Bob Mark's iPad

 

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Re: Legacy Ornamental 1000 Mill Instruction Manual

2024-05-29 Thread &#x27;Curt George&#x27; via Legacy Ornamental Mills

 Hey Chris. 
I sent a note out.  If all goes well you should have your manual very soon.
C.A.G.
On Wednesday, May 29, 2024 at 11:49:08 PM EDT, Chris Liska 
 wrote:  
 
 I'm still just looking for a complete manual. someone said they were in the 
archive, but i can't find that. i've also searched the conversation history 
with no luck.

On Tuesday, May 28, 2024 at 11:27:23 PM UTC-5 Curt George wrote:

 Hello Chris.As a little side bar to this ...   I for one would rather show you 
how to use your equipment/Legacy to get the most out of your machine, then sell 
all the parts. Once gone its gone.   Your Legacy could be used to make one 
amazing machine, ONE that could be used with your CNC and or surpass your CNC 
capability's all together. All depending on your wants and needs/projects 
planned. 
If you are looking to make money with your Legacy, I would suggest to talk to 
Mike Pung.  He made a very good living using his Wood Chuck Mill. (the early 
model Legacy LOM.) Here are some of his 
videos.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooqZZkCp7tI&t=12s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjcFpO51upw&t=18s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHgzEKnON-o&t=41s

C.A.G.

On Tuesday, May 28, 2024 at 12:31:56 AM EDT, Chris Liska 
 wrote:  
 
 i can't post the manual. i get a message is too long error. and posting 
pictures seems to be challenging as well.


On Saturday, May 25, 2024 at 8:36:52 PM UTC-5 Curt George wrote:

Hello Again Chris.  (Im off from work early today.)
Legacy use to say for there logo.   "Legacy where the only Limitation is your 
Imagination" 
Mike Pung put out a few video's on different methods to get the mostout of your 
Legacy. (A few years back.) that are both very 
good.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHgzEKnON-o&t=31s   
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjcFpO51upw&t=13s 
OUR archives are loaded with good info to get the most form yourLegacy,  all 
that you have to do is look for it. (OR ASK the GROUP and I knowsomeone in the 
group will be all to willing to help you out.)
I would guess the Next step for you is to figure out what you want to make then 
you can try to see how to use your tools to get the job done the best you can.I 
like to tell everyone.  The Legacy is a very good tool, but its the Craftsman 
who makes the art,not the tool, by its self.
Take care. and have a GREAT Memorial Day!
C.A.G.

On Saturday, May 25, 2024 at 2:05:34 AM UTC-4 Curt George wrote:

 Hello Chris.I would like to help you, sadly the manual you refer to is not in 
your e-mail to the group.Could you send us a photo of your machine.  Legacy 
over the years made a number of different modals. the 1000/ Alum. rail was made 
with 3 different length of rail, but the basic machine is the same .How many 
gear sets do you have? Legacy made 3 set of gears for the 1000.  the standard, 
.25 and X2 gear sets. each gear set will give you a number of different pitches 
that the Legacy can make.  There are two directional gear sets, one for right 
and one for left handed ropes.The Legacy is a very useful tool, for not only 
spindles, but it can also do flat work, like moldings and joinery. as well as 
basic lathe type of work, but what is really excels at is roping and advance 
lathe type of work, for things like chairs and staircases and decorative 
furniture .  Bill.  (Aussiman77181), has a web site, that shows a number of 
different projects.https://www.youtube.com/@aussiman77181The Groups archives 
are open to you. 
I hope to talk to you more, latter.
Have a good night.
C.A.G.
On Saturday, May 25, 2024 at 01:43:02 AM EDT, Chris Liska 
 wrote:  
 
 A few years ago I purchased a tool lot (table saw, router table, jointer, 
planer, floor drill press, dust collector, air filter, lathe, radial arm saw, 
plus more) and it included the ornamental mill (which i had NO idea what it was 
at the time. however, it didn't matter b/c the price was right for the rest of 
the lot with or without this thing).
the entire lot had been stored in a warehouse and abused by mice (and possibly 
other vermin). I've spent the past few years cleaning things and setting up the 
shop, and i'm now finally getting around to looking at the ornamental mill. I'm 
still not entirely sure i'm going to keep it, but if i'm going to try to sell 
it, i want to make sure it's fully operational and not missing anything. 
i've contacted legacy woodworking, and they sent me a manual (attached), or at 
least, most of it. i think it's missing pages, and was hoping someone has 
something in PDF form.
it did come with a paper manual, and some project plans; and while the project 
plans are near mint, i'm pretty sure the giant manual was used as a nest, b/c a 
large portion is unusable. 

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To all New members OF the LOM users Group.

2024-05-29 Thread &#x27;Curt George&#x27; via Legacy Ornamental Mills

Google no longer supports the groups. I do not often get messages form Google 
telling me when someone NEW is trying to log in or ask to join the Group.I try 
to go though the web page a few times a day.
For new members (those who have not been granted full access to the group)  I 
am sorry for the inconveniences, But as a norm it takes between 3-5 messages to 
the group before the system will give you full access to the group for posting 
messages.Once you go through the process, I hope you all use the system to its 
fullest.   No One knows everything. And posting info. Problems and what works 
for you, is a good way to learn and share.This is the LOM (Legacy Ornamental 
Mills) Users group. but not every topic needs to be 100% Legacy related.  Many 
woodworkers show ideas and techniques that can or will help us/all woodworkers 
in our quest to become the best we can be.
Have a good day, Everyone.

C.A.G.

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Re: Eccentric milling

2024-05-28 Thread &#x27;Curt George&#x27; via Legacy Ornamental Mills

 Now that is Neat! Tim.I really like that Horizontal router.Keep up the good 
work.
C.A.G.
On Tuesday, May 28, 2024 at 06:55:57 AM EDT, Tim Ziegler 
 wrote:  
 
 I kind of like that one though? Hm may have to check that out. 
Kind Regards,
Timothy J. ZieglerZiegler WoodWork & SpecialtyZiegler Laser Worx LLC14171 160th 
Ave.Foreston MN 56330
320-294-5798 shop320-630-2243 cell

On Tue, May 28, 2024 at 1:40 AM  wrote:


Yea it is not the best I know but there just isn’t much out there in the way of 
eccentric chucks 

This is the best I found lately 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jni6Qnth844&t=313s&ab_channel=TokyoCraftsman

 

https://www.woodworkersemporium.com/shop-by-category/chucks/eccentric-turning/

 

seems to be lots of attachments too like a face plate makes it similar to my 
orbit chuck but as always pricy 

 

Bill

 

 

 

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Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2024 12:49 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Eccentric milling

 

I have the axminster style. I had a smaller piece today I was messing with and 
could change the 

eccentric without taking it off but its only about 3 inches in diameter.




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Mon, May 27, 2024 at 9:19 PM  wrote:


Indexing might be a problem you would have to remove it from the chuck to index 
it and there would be no way to set it all running true again because its set 
off centre you really need an  eccentric chuck of some kind to keep everything 
running true and eccentric to the previous cuts AXMINSTER

wakes an ok one the only annoying bit is you have to remove and replace a part 
to index it each time

Bill

 

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Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2024 11:55 AM
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: Re: Eccentric milling

 

This could be done with a four jaw machinist chuck with independent jaws, yes?  
I have a small 4" four jaw chuck that will screw right onto the REVO drive 
spindle.  Indexing could be direct on the driven gear ring (factory stock) or 
with my high index count mod. Possibilities get wild with templates and bed 
taper

DanK

 

On Monday, May 27, 2024 at 9:48:43 PM UTC-4 Curt George wrote:


Bill .

 

Who makes that off-set chuck that you use in the video?  

 

C.A.G.

 

On Monday, May 27, 2024 at 09:43:21 PM EDT,  wrote: 

 

 

Thanks Curt it was fun to do

 

Bill

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2024 10:10 AM
To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Eccentric milling

 

I am glad you re-posted this Bill.

 

I always liked the skill and craftsmanship you show in this video.

Thank you.

 

C.A.G.

 

On Monday, May 27, 2024 at 07:24:22 PM EDT, bulk...@mmnet.com.au 
 wrote: 

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeUVSzVQqus&ab_channel=aussiman77181 

 

this came up in an email I received about Eccentric chucks  so I thought I 
would repost this video its been over 2 years since I made this I first saw the 
idea done on a wood lathe so I thought why not do it on the legacy so I did, 
always good to show the many possibilities of our mills.

this was done on the revo model only because the open front is good for 
videoing nothing more, most of my videos were done on a revo for that reason

 

Bill

 

 

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Re: Eccentric milling

2024-05-27 Thread &#x27;Curt George&#x27; via Legacy Ornamental Mills

 Bill .
Who makes that off-set chuck that you use in the video?  
C.A.G.
On Monday, May 27, 2024 at 09:43:21 PM EDT,  wrote:  
 
 
Thanks Curt it was fun to do

  

Bill

  

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2024 10:10 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Eccentric milling

  

I am glad you re-posted this Bill.

  

I always liked the skill and craftsmanship you show in this video.

Thank you.

  

C.A.G.

  

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 wrote: 

  

  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeUVSzVQqus&ab_channel=aussiman77181 

 

this came up in an email I received about Eccentric chucks  so I thought I 
would repost this video its been over 2 years since I made this I first saw the 
idea done on a wood lathe so I thought why not do it on the legacy so I did, 
always good to show the many possibilities of our mills.

this was done on the revo model only because the open front is good for 
videoing nothing more, most of my videos were done on a revo for that reason

 

Bill

 

 

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Re: Eccentric milling

2024-05-27 Thread &#x27;Curt George&#x27; via Legacy Ornamental Mills

I am glad you re-posted this Bill.
I always liked the skill and craftsmanship you show in this video.Thank you.
C.A.G.
On Monday, May 27, 2024 at 07:24:22 PM EDT, bulke...@mmnet.com.au
wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeUVSzVQqus&ab_channel=aussiman77181

this came up in an email I received about Eccentric chucks so I thought I
would repost this video its been over 2 years since I made this I first saw the
idea done on a wood lathe so I thought why not do it on the legacy so I did,
always good to show the many possibilities of our mills.

this was done on the revo model only because the open front is good for
videoing nothing more, most of my videos were done on a revo for that reason

Bill

Re: 10 good reasons to buy a Legacy Ornamental mill

2024-05-26 Thread &#x27;Curt George&#x27; via Legacy Ornamental Mills

 Here is another step down Memory 
lane.http://benchmark.20m.com/reviews/LegacyMill/toolslegacymill.html

C.A.G.On Sunday, May 26, 2024 at 09:52:32 AM EDT, 'Curt George' via Legacy 
Ornamental Mills  wrote:  
 
 This is form 2010.
https://discover.hubpages.com/games-hobbies/10-Good-Reasons-to-Buy-a-Legacy-Ornamental-Mill

I like it, I hope you all do to.  ;-)
C.A.G.

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10 good reasons to buy a Legacy Ornamental mill

2024-05-26 Thread &#x27;Curt George&#x27; via Legacy Ornamental Mills

This is form 2010.
https://discover.hubpages.com/games-hobbies/10-Good-Reasons-to-Buy-a-Legacy-Ornamental-Mill

I like it, I hope you all do to.  ;-)
C.A.G.

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Re: Legacy Ornamental 1000 Mill Instruction Manual

2024-05-25 Thread &#x27;Curt George&#x27; via Legacy Ornamental Mills

Hello Again Chris.  (Im off from work early today.)

Legacy use to say for there logo.   
"Legacy where the only Limitation is your Imagination" 

Mike Pung put out a few video's on different methods to get the most
out of your Legacy. (A few years back.) that are both very good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHgzEKnON-o&t=31s  
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjcFpO51upw&t=13s 

OUR archives are loaded with good info to get the most form your
Legacy,  all that you have to do is look for it. (OR ASK the GROUP and I 
know
someone in the group will be all to willing to help you out.)

I would guess the Next step for you is to figure out what you want to make 
then you 
can try to see how to use your tools to get the job done the best you can.
I like to tell everyone.  The Legacy is a very good tool, but its the 
Craftsman who makes the art,
not the tool, by its self.

Take care. and have a GREAT Memorial Day!

C.A.G.


On Saturday, May 25, 2024 at 2:05:34 AM UTC-4 Curt George wrote:

> Hello Chris.
> I would like to help you, sadly the manual you refer to is not in your 
> e-mail to the group.
> Could you send us a photo of your machine.  Legacy over the years made a 
> number of different modals. 
> the 1000/ Alum. rail was made with 3 different length of rail, but the 
> basic machine is the same .
> How many gear sets do you have? Legacy made 3 set of gears for the 1000.  
> the standard, .25 and X2 gear sets. each gear set will give you a number of 
> different pitches that the Legacy can make.  There are two directional gear 
> sets, one for right and one for left handed ropes.
> The Legacy is a very useful tool, for not only spindles, but it can also 
> do flat work, like moldings and joinery. as well as basic lathe type of 
> work, but what is really excels at is roping and advance lathe type of 
> work, for things like chairs and staircases and decorative furniture .  
> Bill.  (Aussiman77181), has a web site, that shows a number of different 
> projects.https://www.youtube.com/@aussiman77181
> The Groups archives are open to you. 
>
> I hope to talk to you more, latter.
>
> Have a good night.
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Saturday, May 25, 2024 at 01:43:02 AM EDT, Chris Liska <
> chris...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>
>
> A few years ago I purchased a tool lot (table saw, router table, jointer, 
> planer, floor drill press, dust collector, air filter, lathe, radial arm 
> saw, plus more) and it included the ornamental mill (which i had NO idea 
> what it was at the time. however, it didn't matter b/c the price was right 
> for the rest of the lot with or without this thing).
>
> the entire lot had been stored in a warehouse and abused by mice (and 
> possibly other vermin). I've spent the past few years cleaning things and 
> setting up the shop, and i'm now finally getting around to looking at the 
> ornamental mill. I'm still not entirely sure i'm going to keep it, but if 
> i'm going to try to sell it, i want to make sure it's fully operational and 
> not missing anything. 
>
> i've contacted legacy woodworking, and they sent me a manual (attached), 
> or at least, most of it. i think it's missing pages, and was hoping someone 
> has something in PDF form.
>
> it did come with a paper manual, and some project plans; and while the 
> project plans are near mint, i'm pretty sure the giant manual was used as a 
> nest, b/c a large portion is unusable. 
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Re: Legacy Ornamental 1000 Mill Instruction Manual

2024-05-24 Thread &#x27;Curt George&#x27; via Legacy Ornamental Mills

Hello Chris.I would like to help you, sadly the manual you refer to is not in
your e-mail to the group.Could you send us a photo of your machine. Legacy
over the years made a number of different modals. the 1000/ Alum. rail was made
with 3 different length of rail, but the basic machine is the same .How many
gear sets do you have? Legacy made 3 set of gears for the 1000. the standard,
.25 and X2 gear sets. each gear set will give you a number of different pitches
that the Legacy can make. There are two directional gear sets, one for right
and one for left handed ropes.The Legacy is a very useful tool, for not only
spindles, but it can also do flat work, like moldings and joinery. as well as
basic lathe type of work, but what is really excels at is roping and advance
lathe type of work, for things like chairs and staircases and decorative
furniture . Bill. (Aussiman77181), has a web site, that shows a number of
different projects.https://www.youtube.com/@aussiman77181The Groups archives
are open to you.
I hope to talk to you more, latter.
Have a good night.
C.A.G.
On Saturday, May 25, 2024 at 01:43:02 AM EDT, Chris Liska
wrote:

A few years ago I purchased a tool lot (table saw, router table, jointer,
planer, floor drill press, dust collector, air filter, lathe, radial arm saw,
plus more) and it included the ornamental mill (which i had NO idea what it was
at the time. however, it didn't matter b/c the price was right for the rest of
the lot with or without this thing).
the entire lot had been stored in a warehouse and abused by mice (and possibly
other vermin). I've spent the past few years cleaning things and setting up the
shop, and i'm now finally getting around to looking at the ornamental mill. I'm
still not entirely sure i'm going to keep it, but if i'm going to try to sell
it, i want to make sure it's fully operational and not missing anything.
i've contacted legacy woodworking, and they sent me a manual (attached), or at
least, most of it. i think it's missing pages, and was hoping someone has
something in PDF form.
it did come with a paper manual, and some project plans; and while the project
plans are near mint, i'm pretty sure the giant manual was used as a nest, b/c a
large portion is unusable.

Re: New Magnetic base for the Legacy

2024-05-19 Thread &#x27;Curt George&#x27; via Legacy Ornamental Mills

Nice idea Mike.That would be easy enough to do.
I think I will try it. We need to figure out how to grow bones that are more
useable. ;-P
C.A.G.
On Sunday, May 19, 2024 at 10:46:59 PM EDT, Okla Mike (Liltwisted)
wrote:

Nice job Curt.

I see the value in milling the bone flat but I do see an issue with all the
bones not being the same. (damn nature!" I almost feel that one at a time
would be best. Also parallel cuts to the base might not always be the best
yield for the bones either. I would fix one end of the mag base on a strong
hinge and have the other on a screw or shim to be able to match the milling
blade to the best path down the bone. You may not get enough angle on your
rails to get the best cut. So a tilting mag base may be just the ticket. Next
I guess you will need to design a mini planer to make bone planks. Oh dem
bones!

Mike OK

On 5/19/2024 7:18 PM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills wrote:

Hello Everyone.
Just got done playing around with my newest toy for my Legacy.
The Magnetic base was a lucky find last week. (I got it cheap!) I used two
pieces of 3/4" plywood, cut them so they fit into the Legacy's rail. put two
screws on each end of the Mag. base and mounted the Mag. base onto the Legacy.
Form there I used hot melt glue to glue down these bones onto my steel plates.
(new but old 7 1/4" circler saw blades cut into blank plates.) (Bye the way
these blades were $1.00each.) ;-)
I have used Hot melt glue a lot in the past, but never on steel. I took a
number of light cuts and everything held together nicely.
If anyone has any questions, Please ask.
talk to you all more latter. Have a good weekend everyone.
C.A.G.

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Re: Learning a new way to do things.

2024-05-19 Thread &#x27;Curt George&#x27; via Legacy Ornamental Mills

 Wow that's Nice!  Thank you Dan.
C.A.G.
On Sunday, May 19, 2024 at 06:37:18 PM EDT, cdkr...@gmail.com 
 wrote:  
 
 
The attached is the latest iteration of Legacy Charts all on one spreadsheet 
workbook. The latest is rotary table indexing as posted above.  The sheet 
should be self explanatory.  Someday perhaps I'll gather all the charts into 
one chart that is dynamic but I'm not sure it will be an improvement.DanK
On Thursday, May 16, 2024 at 11:29:04 AM UTC-4 Okla Mike (Liltwisted) wrote:

  
That would be great, go for it
 
 On 5/16/2024 8:36 AM, cdkr...@gmail.com wrote:
  
 Thank you for posting these reference materials!  Would it be agreeable to you 
if I included this on the LegacyCharts spreadsheet I have been accumulating?  
It makes for a handy local reference all things Legacy.  
  DanK
  
  On Thursday, May 16, 2024 at 12:06:52 AM UTC-4 Curt George wrote:
  
   Hello Again everyone! 
  I have posted these video's ,Mike posted some years back. on his methods of 
indexing,  These methods have always worked for me in the past. and I hope some 
of you will learn and try his methods as well. 
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHgzEKnON-o&t=17s Crank handle indexing.
  
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjcFpO51upw&t=4s Carriage travel indexing.
  
  As well as some notes for Tim K. on crank handle indexing.   
Crank Handle Indexing for the Rotary Table
 
Alternative Indexing Method for Legacy Ornamental Mills
  
Mike Pung posted an idea of using the stock gears as a method of indexing the 
rotary table instead of the stock handle. Using the a drive shaft to control 
the rotary tables motion the following indexes can be obtained with the stock 
gear set. I have come up with what I believe to be a close to definitive answer 
on the number of indexes available. They are as follows.
 
1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10, 12, 15, 16, 18, 20, 24, 30, 32, 36, 40, 48, 60, 64, 
72, 80, 96, 120, 128, 144, 160, 192, and 240.
  
The stock gear set will turn the spindle a specific number of times per x-axis 
lead screw turn. For more information, see the Crank Handle Indexing article.
 
Standard gear set - Leadscrew handle turns for one spindle Revolution| Gear | 
No. of Cranks |
| A | 8 |
| B | 12 |
| C | 16 |
| D | 18 |
| E | 20 |
| F | 24 |
| G | 30 |

 
The rotary table makes one revolution for every 8 cranks or 45º increments per 
revolution. By multiplying the number of cranks required to make one 1 spindle 
rotation by 8 you can calculate the number of turns the x axis lead screw crank 
handle will need to turn to move the rotary table one revolution. Each crank of 
the lead screw handle can be used as an equal division.
 
Index Chart for Legacy's Standard Gear set| Gear | No. of Cranks / Divisions | 
Degree Increments |
| A | 64 | 5.625 |
| B | 96 | 3.75 |
| C | 128 | 2.812 |
| D | 144 | 2.5 |
| E | 160 | 2.25 |
| F | 192 | 1.875 |
| G | 240 | 1.5 |

 
These can be broken down by skipping crank revolutions. For example, using the 
A gear and making a cut once every 4 cranks you can index the rotary table 
every 16 locations. However as you can see by this example, it would be much 
faster to index the table using a different method. Using the numbers above, 
here are the possible indexes available for each gear.
 
Rotary Table Indexes Standard Gear Set| Gear |  Divisions  |
|  A  |  2 , 4 , 8 , 16 , 32 , 64  |
|  B  |  2 , 3 , 4 , 6 , 8 , 12 , 16 , 24 , 32 , 48 , 96  |
|  C  |  2 , 4 , 8 , 16 , 32 , 64 , 128  |
|  D  |  2 , 3 , 4 , 6 , 8 , 9 , 12 , 16 , 18 , 24 , 36 , 48 , 72 , 144  |
|  E  |  2 , 4 , 5 , 8 , 10 , 16 , 20 , 32 , 40 , 80 , 160  |
|  F  |  2 , 3 , 4 , 6 , 8 , 12 , 16 , 24 , 32 , 48 , 64 , 96 , 192  |
|  G  |  2 , 3 , 4 , 5 , 6 , 8 , 10 , 12 , 15 , 16 , 20 , 24 , 30 , 40 , 48 , 
60 , 80 , 120 , 240  |

  
Questions or comments or corrections, please feel free to contact me - Tim
 
Updated: 6/27/2010
  
  
  C.A.G.   
 

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turning a table leg on the New CNC Legacy video

2024-05-18 Thread &#x27;Curt George&#x27; via Legacy Ornamental Mills

All the steps are the same as anyone in the group could do on any Manual Legacy 
LOM's.Fun to watch. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIt0jTPf50c
Have a good day.
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Learning a new way to do things.

2024-05-15 Thread &#x27;Curt George&#x27; via Legacy Ornamental Mills

Hello Again everyone!
I have posted these video's ,Mike posted some years back.on his methods of 
indexing,  These methods have always worked for me in the past. and I hope some 
of you will learn and try his methods as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHgzEKnON-o&t=17s Crank handle indexing.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjcFpO51upw&t=4s Carriage travel indexing.

As well as some notes for Tim K. on crank handle indexing.
Crank Handle Indexing for the Rotary Table

Alternative Indexing Method for Legacy Ornamental Mills

Mike Pung posted an idea of using the stock gears as a method of indexing the 
rotary table instead of the stock handle. Using the a drive shaft to control 
the rotary tables motion the following indexes can be obtained with the stock 
gear set. I have come up with what I believe to be a close to definitive answer 
on the number of indexes available. They are as follows.

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10, 12, 15, 16, 18, 20, 24, 30, 32, 36, 40, 48, 60, 64, 
72, 80, 96, 120, 128, 144, 160, 192, and 240.

The stock gear set will turn the spindle a specific number of times per x-axis 
lead screw turn. For more information, see the Crank Handle Indexing article.

Standard gear set - Leadscrew handle turns for one spindle Revolution| Gear | 
No. of Cranks |
| A | 8 |
| B | 12 |
| C | 16 |
| D | 18 |
| E | 20 |
| F | 24 |
| G | 30 |


The rotary table makes one revolution for every 8 cranks or 45º increments per 
revolution. By multiplying the number of cranks required to make one 1 spindle 
rotation by 8 you can calculate the number of turns the x axis lead screw crank 
handle will need to turn to move the rotary table one revolution. Each crank of 
the lead screw handle can be used as an equal division.

Index Chart for Legacy's Standard Gear set| Gear | No. of Cranks / Divisions | 
Degree Increments |
| A | 64 | 5.625 |
| B | 96 | 3.75 |
| C | 128 | 2.812 |
| D | 144 | 2.5 |
| E | 160 | 2.25 |
| F | 192 | 1.875 |
| G | 240 | 1.5 |


These can be broken down by skipping crank revolutions. For example, using the 
A gear and making a cut once every 4 cranks you can index the rotary table 
every 16 locations. However as you can see by this example, it would be much 
faster to index the table using a different method. Using the numbers above, 
here are the possible indexes available for each gear.

Rotary Table Indexes Standard Gear Set| Gear | Divisions |
| A | 2 , 4 , 8 , 16 , 32 , 64 |
| B | 2 , 3 , 4 , 6 , 8 , 12 , 16 , 24 , 32 , 48 , 96 |
| C | 2 , 4 , 8 , 16 , 32 , 64 , 128 |
| D | 2 , 3 , 4 , 6 , 8 , 9 , 12 , 16 , 18 , 24 , 36 , 48 , 72 , 144 |
| E | 2 , 4 , 5 , 8 , 10 , 16 , 20 , 32 , 40 , 80 , 160 |
| F | 2 , 3 , 4 , 6 , 8 , 12 , 16 , 24 , 32 , 48 , 64 , 96 , 192 |
| G | 2 , 3 , 4 , 5 , 6 , 8 , 10 , 12 , 15 , 16 , 20 , 24 , 30 , 40 , 48 , 60 , 
80 , 120 , 240 |


Questions or comments or corrections, please feel free to contact me - Tim

Updated: 6/27/2010


C.A.G.

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Re: Mike's video on the Wood chuck and some of his MOD's

2024-05-15 Thread &#x27;Curt George&#x27; via Legacy Ornamental Mills

Hello Everyone.
I think they were good inspiration to others, trying to see around the box. (so
to speak.)I know that I have used some of your MOD's over the years. and I
have learned a lot form them.
EVERYONE Im going to make a new post on two of Mike's best concepts.
More in a little bit.
C.A.G.
On Wednesday, May 15, 2024 at 01:36:38 PM EDT, Tim Ziegler
wrote:

Lol for sure
On Wed, May 15, 2024, 9:43 AM Okla Mike (Liltwisted)
wrote:

https://youtu.be/ooqZZkCp7tI will start it from the beginning. Those were the
simple mods, I got pretty squirrely on some of them. Those were the days

Mike OK

On 5/15/2024 12:12 AM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooqZZkCp7tI&t=311s
I just saw this again. 7yrs old now. but still a lot of fun to watch. Thanks
Mike. ;-)
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Mike's video on the Wood chuck and some of his MOD's

2024-05-14 Thread &#x27;Curt George&#x27; via Legacy Ornamental Mills

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooqZZkCp7tI&t=311s
I just saw this again. 7yrs old now. but still a lot of fun to watch.Thanks 
Mike. ;-)
C.A.G.

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Re: Why did you buy an ornamental mill?

2024-05-12 Thread &#x27;Curt George&#x27; via Legacy Ornamental Mills

 HI Guys!I feel in love with my Legacy, At the time I was making appx. 15 
martial art dummy's a year. all by hand, I owed a lathe, but knew that I needed 
something bigger/better then what I had. When I saw the 1000ex. at a 
woodworking show, I knew that It could do exactly what I needed. To my surprise 
the Legacy surpassed all my expectations,  What I was making was Rustic ,it 
worked but it wasn't pretty, The Legacy made me see the art side of woodworking 
that I never had the skills (Or time.) to do, Today I want to make things that 
look good as well as are functional. Like Tim, When I talked to Mike, he showed 
me how he modified his tools to do what he was making at that time, I knew that 
I to could modify my 1000ex a little, so that I could make my Legacy even 
better. by using some simple concepts and adding a drive motor,( and latter a 
spindle drive motor), My Legacy become more of a production tool, Far 
surpassing what Legacy had intend my machine to be when they sold it to 
me.Today all my tools/ Legacy have been modified so that I can get the most out 
of them. My 1000 now has linear rails and a tilting Z axis, and you 200 works 
with an angle grinder (most of the time) to remove the waist materials FAST, so 
I can get to the parts that I like to do. (that is to add details/make it 
pretty!)I can honestly say that Legacy has changed my life, and many of the 
people here have become some of my closest friends. I have learned so much form 
many of you.
I would like to say Thank you all.
C.A.G.On Sunday, May 12, 2024 at 10:21:34 PM EDT, Tim Ziegler 
 wrote:  
 
 I know right Bill. lol. 
Kind Regards,
Timothy J. ZieglerZiegler WoodWork & SpecialtyZiegler Laser Worx LLC14171 160th 
Ave.Foreston MN 56330
320-294-5798 shop320-630-2243 cell

On Sun, May 12, 2024 at 8:47 PM  wrote:


obsessed with owning more LOM's you Tim nah lol

 

 Bill

 

 

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2024 11:25 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Why did you buy an ornamental mill?

 

Hey Tim, 

 

Sorry little late in getting into the discussion but I would still like to say

why I bought my first WoodChuck then my first LOM. 

When they originally came out I was really not too interested in them. 

I was rather misled that if you had a lathe you didn't need the LOM's. 

Furthest thing from the truth. I traded for my WoodChuck a Delta lathe

duplicator. But not until I did some research and spoke with Mike Pung

for over 2 hours one night. After that I saw the cool spirals and different

things I could do with it and went ahead and made the trade. Now I could

have some real fun. Wasn't long and Mike sent me a link to a 1200 LOM

for sale. I just knew I had to have it. So my college kids were home on 

Christmas break and we know someone that needed money that agreed 

to take the trip to pick it up down in texas. I was super excited as now 

I would be able to make many of the items posted on our current forum. 

I absolutely love my 1200 and knew it would benefit me in my business. 

And it has. However I become rather obsessed with owning more LOM's.

To date I own 6 complete machines and at least 2 more in tare downs

and as parts. At least 4 of my machines have drive motors. I have made

boat parts, table legs, fluted rails, spirals etc...

I love them and have a lot of fun with them. 

 


Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Sun, May 12, 2024 at 5:24 AM Timothy Krause  wrote:


Hello All,

I thought I would toss this question out to hear why you bought your 
ornamental mill. For me, I bought my first machine when I wanted to 
bring a different level of details to my current work. I was in a real 
niche market that I wanted to do some woodworking "tricks" that few 
people could figure out how they were made.

How about you?

-Tim


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Re: May Bones/Sundays project

2024-05-12 Thread &#x27;Curt George&#x27; via Legacy Ornamental Mills

Hello John.Legacy has a number of videos (VHS & DVD) on the mill that they
made a number of year ago. Bill also has a few video's on different Legacy
projects and techniques in his web site, that both Bill and I have
made.https://www.youtube.com/@aussiman77181
Is there any one thing that you have question about? Perhaps I can point you in
the right direction?
C.A.G.
On Sunday, May 12, 2024 at 08:27:50 PM EDT, John Von Brandt
wrote:

Hey Curt, Has anybody done a class on the legacy mill?

On Sun, May 12, 2024 at 4:58 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
wrote:

Hello Everyone.
I found some time in the shop today. (and since Tim K. asked, I would show you
all that I'm NOT out of bone yet.) ;-)
Any question, are, as always welcome. I did some new tricks on thesethat I have
not used before.Please let me know what you think?
C.A.G.

Re: Hello to the Group

2024-05-11 Thread &#x27;Curt George&#x27; via Legacy Ornamental Mills

Hey There, Tim!Thank you.
Bye the way I still have a lot of bones left over, I just need some new ideas
for designs. And I do have one New MOD that I am playing around with at this
time. ;-) If all goes well you and everyonewill be seeing it in the neat
future. Take care.And Good night.
C.A.G.
On Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 07:42:02 PM EDT, Timothy Krause
wrote:

Hello All,

Yes our site is safe (ornamentalmills.com) I just have not updated the security
certificate this year. A security certificate lets the browser aware that the
connection is encrypted. A padlock icon turns on or off in your browser. This
was a internet safety upgrade several years back. So rest assured I know about
it and it's safe and I'll get too it.

Sure would like to hear and see projects and machine mods. Curt has to be
running out of bones!

-Tim

PS: Admin, Yoda of manual mills, web head, mass contributor, sole financial,
controller and owner of ornamentalmills.com and other related domains and
surviving cancer since 2012, but will never be the same... in case anyone
doesn't recognize me any more :-)

PPS: Not Tim Ziggy! Ha Ha Ha!!!

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On 5/11/2024 7:08 AM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills wrote:

Good morning everyone.
Just a friendly note to say hello. The LOM users group has been a little bit
slow as of late. We have a number of new members this month. But sadly many of
them have not posted yet. If anyone has any questions or answer to plaguing
problems they have figured out how to fix. This is the prefect time to let
everyone know. I found a topic in our archives that I though many people here
has not seen before on the rotatory table.

Hello to the Group

2024-05-11 Thread &#x27;Curt George&#x27; via Legacy Ornamental Mills

Good morning everyone.
Just a friendly note to say hello.The LOM users group has been a little bit 
slow as of late.We have a number of new members this month. But sadly many of 
them have not posted yet.If anyone has any questions or answer to plaguing 
problemsthey have figured out how to fix.  This is the prefect time to let 
everyone know. I found a topic in our archives that I though many people here 
has not seen before on the rotatory table. 
https://ornamentalmills.com/turningaround/rotary%20table.htm
| 
Russ V



  If you are going to do a couple of rosettes only, hot glue is the way.  If 
you are going to do a lot of the same size you can build a table for them.  I 
built a second table that I double tape to the original table. My original 
table I never use directly.  I drilled a 1/4" hole in the center and make a 
secondary table that I attach with double sided tape.  This hole helps me 
quickly align my rotary table to the router and to align the second table to 
the first table by using a 1/4" dowel.  To make the rosette hold down table I 
screwed blocks on three sides of center to hold the rosette centered.  The 4th 
side is on a pivot that when closed I lock it with the 5th swivel block and a 
dowel pin to hold it locked.  If you are going to cut on the outside
to make it round then use a small piece of DS tape to hold the piece once you 
cut it loose.  If they are already cut to size and shape the you only need to 
lock it in the table.  I used sand paper on the stationary blocks and a nail 
cut off  on the pivot block to help hold the rosette.  I am thinking that now I 
am going to make a table with sliding track going out in 4 directions from 
center so I can then adjust the blocks to fit any size rosette.  

 I wouldn't particularly want to use the indexing table to cut blocks round.  
On small objects I use the band saw and then a jig on my oscillating sander to 
smooth the edges and get the final diameter.  Much Much Safer.  Use the rotary 
table to cut the surface only not all the way thru.  Screws, hot glue, DS tape 
are all good and well, but when I do rosettes I usually do 100 or 200 at a 
time.  The less screwing the better ( in this case).  With my table, I can 
change out the rosette in seconds . . . no holes, no hot glue residue to clean 
up, and no DS tape to peel.  Again, I think  I will redo this table with 
sliding tracks, I then can set up to do any size rosette ( or box lid).  The DS 
tape to hold the secondary table isn't holding much (stress wise) since I use a 
dowel in the center.  The tape only hold the table from spinning.   I guess I 
could screw the
secondary table down but I like to keep  my primary table clean with only  the 
center hole so it will last.  I think I am going to put a Formica laminate on 
it to make it more durable and let DS tape stick better.  
The center hole technique to center everything is really handy.  Once I center 
the table, everything can be centered quicker too.   For example, If I am going 
to center several object of the same size, I make one with a hole in the center 
so I can then set it in place with a dowel.  Then I DS tape cleats in place on 
two sides.  Now, every piece I set, whether with hot glue, DS tape or whatever, 
the cleats will help me align to center quicker.

Russv




As to centering, if you look at my table pics you will see there are lines 
drawn on the table.  To create lines is as follows:

After centering the machine, put a bit with a point in the router.  Put the 
router over center, lock the carriage down on the x axis,  and plunge down to 
barely touch the table.  Start the router and plunge down.  Then slide the 
router along the y axis in one direction to the outside edge to make a score 
line.  Come back to center.  Do not go the other direction on the y axis.  Turn 
the handle on the rotary table one full turn and slide the router along the y 
axis again and back to center.  Do this 8 times and you
should see 4 long lines on your table at 45 degrees apart.  The reason you 
don't go both directions off the y axis is so that now when you look at the 
lines, they should look straight all along the line even though you drew it by 
two operations.  If the lines don't look straight, then you weren't centered. 
If everything looks straight, then you are good to go.  Make sure you always 
line the router to this center point and you will be good to go. To align a 
block of wood is simple now.  If the block of wood has 90 degree corners then 
when you line up all 4 corners on the lines on your table you are centered.  
This still works on an octagon shape also.  make sure you use a pen in your 
score lines to make them easier to see.

Curt George




This set up, Is just a little moderation from the original unit, (I think the 
table had to much play in the workings from the factory, so I figured a way to 
tighten up the whole unit,) It has  worked well for me so far. I can use the 
handle and have more freedom

Re: Legacy Ornamental Mill new parts available

2024-05-07 Thread &#x27;Curt George&#x27; via Legacy Ornamental Mills

Hello Toddsorry about the delay, as a new member you need to approved before
you can post any topics. As a norm, it takes 3-4 e-mails before this process is
done. Sadly I was at work today, and could not approve your notes until now.So
you plan to part out this machine? If you wish to do so, that is nice with us.
but Please post the prices you want, and for what. I hope you understand much
of your sales needs to be done off the group page, We don't want people to
barter over parts. So make it known what you are selling, and give the person
your e-mail address so the transaction can be done. If you want to know what's
a fair price, I might be able to help you out.or at least suggest a price that
would be good for you as well at others in the group. (when I parted out a
machine I took the original price and then - 1/3.) The price of used tools in
never, high market.
I wish you luck.
C.A.G.
On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 12:21:59 AM EDT, Todd Mosher
wrote:

I should have been clearer that I'm offering these parts for sale. Here is a
more complete list of what's available:
I can share better, more details photos or dimensions, etc., if needed.

On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 12:46:55 PM UTC-7 Ken and Diana wrote:

Are you planning on selling any of the pieces of your find?Great find. Good
luck, Ken
On Tue, May 7, 2024 at 9:21 AM Todd Mosher wrote:

Hi Guys: I'm a woodworker in California and I came into a few boxes of brand
new parts for a Legacy Ornamental Mill, see images attached below:

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Re: You-Tube/Phantom Engineering video. you really should see.

2024-05-06 Thread &#x27;Curt George&#x27; via Legacy Ornamental Mills

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzX8ldvIagw this video is the one I planed to
post. Both are good,
and they show us/the users of there equipment how it was done.I would suggest
to you all, that We now take the knowledge and run with it. Its time to start
playing about with your tools and see what everyone can make.
enjoy.
C.A.G.
On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 10:53:22 PM EDT, 'Curt George' via Legacy
Ornamental Mills wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpTQ2t0qh2M

I hope this dose not lead us into troubles with Legacy.But I found this video
on You-tube. (AND it really isn't a Legacy video.)In my way of thinking this
is one of the best template following videos Phantom/Legacy, ever made.
A little history on this video series, It was made in the early years, when
Legacy was still Phantom Engineering Inc. For what ever reason when Phantom
become Legacy, They/ Legacy sold the ideas of using template following as part
of there sales program, but Never re-did any template videos. They stated that
it could be done and showed some things made, but, they never re-made these
video for the Legacy? So most of the people who Own a Legacy have never seen
what this machine can do, by the way of templates. I hope to show some more of
my own videos in the future. But believe you me, When I say, the template
follower is a very powerful tool.
Now on to the show. Enjoy the Movie. ;-)
C.A.G.

You-Tube/Phantom Engineering video. you really should see.

2024-05-06 Thread &#x27;Curt George&#x27; via Legacy Ornamental Mills

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpTQ2t0qh2M

I hope this dose not lead us into troubles with Legacy.But I found this video 
on You-tube.  (AND  it really isn't a Legacy video.)In my way of thinking this 
is one of the best template following videos Phantom/Legacy, ever made. 
A little history on this video series, It was made in the early years, when 
Legacy was still Phantom Engineering Inc. For what ever reason when Phantom 
become Legacy, They/ Legacy sold the ideas of using template following as part 
of there sales program, but Never re-did any template videos. They stated that 
it could be done and showed some things made, but, they never re-made these 
video for the Legacy? So most of the people who Own a Legacy have never seen 
what this machine can do, by the way of templates. I hope to show some more of 
my own videos in the future. But believe you me, When I say, the template 
follower is a very powerful tool.
Now on to the show. Enjoy the Movie. ;-)
C.A.G.

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