Re: french spindle-type cutter for a router

2024-11-27 Thread Tim Ziegler 
sounds good lol'

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell


On Wed, Nov 27, 2024 at 4:10 PM  wrote:

> I would think most likely yes Tim perhaps not as fast but possibly yes, I
> have a totally different use for the arm version something not tried before
>
> Which I will not disclose on the group at this time.
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Thursday, 28 November 2024 7:47 AM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: french spindle-type cutter for a router
>
>
>
> What he did on the lid I think I can do with my fancy attachment from Nova?
>
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
>
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 27, 2024 at 2:25 PM  wrote:
>
> That’s very interesting I would like to see a pic of one of those with the
> arm mounted on the router I would have a use for something like that
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* 'finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, 28 November 2024 12:39 AM
> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
> *Subject:* Re: french spindle-type cutter for a router
>
>
>
> the temptation  in using this type of french spindle router bit is, once
> gaining experience in using the spindle and bit, and seeing its benefits,
> to then go out and have a longer spindle made... I know an acquaintence
> that made an 8"(+/) overall length bit of the same design as the bit in the
> video... a bit scary when spinning at 20,000-plus RPM in a router and the
> cutting bit that far away from the router collet and bearing... he was only
> doing "kiss" cuts with that setup but still scary when I watched him using
> it... to solve that issue I have seen an arm mounted on a router that came
> around and attached to the end of the spindle, thus eliminating any
> "wobble" the spindle might experience, especially when pushing the size of
> the cutting bit protruding from the spindle... in that instance it was a
> router being hand held and shaping an intricately curved and shaped stair
> hand rail... this whole concept of a french spindle and its variations is
> considered to be dangerous in the industry, but such a time saver and
> quality-of-work producer that some people use it on a regular basis... and
> usually when there is no OSHA oversight, LOL... Happy safe milling to
> all!... Joe B.
>
> On Wednesday, November 27, 2024 at 7:32:48 AM UTC-5 Tim Ziegler wrote:
>
> For sure and possibly wear a face shield.
>
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 27, 2024 at 12:32 AM  wrote:
>
> Nice tool but you defiantly need to keep your fingers out of the way
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* 'finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 27 November 2024 8:22 AM
> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
> *Subject:* french spindle-type cutter for a router
>
>
>
> someone sent me this video... basically it is a miniature french spindle
> cutter designed to be used in a router... could work on a Legacy, but you
> would have to cut from the side (3o'clock or 9o'clock position in relation
> to the worlpiece)... certainly only taking only small cuts(e.g. fluting and
> reeding)... but very easy to grind your own profile design cutter for doing
> custom milling cuts... have been doing this for many years in the shop on a
> full size shaper, but nice to see someone making this smaller version for a
> router... comes with a warning though as it could be a bit dangerous if the
> cutter is improperly tightened into the bit holder(OSHA banned this
> technique many years ago, as some shops got greedy and put too large of a
> cutter in the slot)... but for doing small "kiss" cuts, we never had an
> issuehttps://www.facebook.com/share/r/17Xp9PiSMA/?mibextid=rYkE1A
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RE: french spindle-type cutter for a router

2024-11-27 Thread bulkeley 
I would think most likely yes Tim perhaps not as fast but possibly yes, I have 
a totally different use for the arm version something not tried before

Which I will not disclose on the group at this time.

 

Bill 

 

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 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Thursday, 28 November 2024 7:47 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: french spindle-type cutter for a router

 

What he did on the lid I think I can do with my fancy attachment from Nova?

 

Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Wed, Nov 27, 2024 at 2:25 PM mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote:

That’s very interesting I would like to see a pic of one of those with the arm 
mounted on the router I would have a use for something like that

 

Bill

 

From: 'finu...@aol.com <mailto:finu...@aol.com> ' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Thursday, 28 November 2024 12:39 AM
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Re: french spindle-type cutter for a router

 

the temptation  in using this type of french spindle router bit is, once 
gaining experience in using the spindle and bit, and seeing its benefits, to 
then go out and have a longer spindle made... I know an acquaintence that made 
an 8"(+/) overall length bit of the same design as the bit in the video... a 
bit scary when spinning at 20,000-plus RPM in a router and the cutting bit that 
far away from the router collet and bearing... he was only doing "kiss" cuts 
with that setup but still scary when I watched him using it... to solve that 
issue I have seen an arm mounted on a router that came around and attached to 
the end of the spindle, thus eliminating any "wobble" the spindle might 
experience, especially when pushing the size of the cutting bit protruding from 
the spindle... in that instance it was a router being hand held and shaping an 
intricately curved and shaped stair hand rail... this whole concept of a french 
spindle and its variations is considered to be dangerous in the industry, but 
such a time saver and quality-of-work producer that some people use it on a 
regular basis... and usually when there is no OSHA oversight, LOL... Happy safe 
milling to all!... Joe B.

On Wednesday, November 27, 2024 at 7:32:48 AM UTC-5 Tim Ziegler wrote:

For sure and possibly wear a face shield. 

 

Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798   shop

320-630-2243   cell

 

On Wed, Nov 27, 2024 at 12:32 AM mailto:bulk...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote:

Nice tool but you defiantly need to keep your fingers out of the way 

 

Bill

 

From: 'finu...@aol.com <mailto:finu...@aol.com> ' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Wednesday, 27 November 2024 8:22 AM
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: french spindle-type cutter for a router

 

someone sent me this video... basically it is a miniature french spindle cutter 
designed to be used in a router... could work on a Legacy, but you would have 
to cut from the side (3o'clock or 9o'clock position in relation to the 
worlpiece)... certainly only taking only small cuts(e.g. fluting and 
reeding)... but very easy to grind your own profile design cutter for doing 
custom milling cuts... have been doing this for many years in the shop on a 
full size shaper, but nice to see someone making this smaller version for a 
router... comes with a warning though as it could be a bit dangerous if the 
cutter is improperly tightened into the bit holder(OSHA banned this technique 
many years ago, as some shops got greedy and put too large of a cutter in the 
slot)... but for doing small "kiss" cuts, we never had an issue 
<https://www.facebook.com/share/r/17Xp9PiSMA/?mibextid=rYkE1A> 
https://www.facebook.com/share/r/17Xp9PiSMA/?mibextid=rYkE1A 

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Re: french spindle-type cutter for a router

2024-11-27 Thread Tim Ziegler 
What he did on the lid I think I can do with my fancy attachment from Nova?

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell


On Wed, Nov 27, 2024 at 2:25 PM  wrote:

> That’s very interesting I would like to see a pic of one of those with the
> arm mounted on the router I would have a use for something like that
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* 'finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, 28 November 2024 12:39 AM
> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
> *Subject:* Re: french spindle-type cutter for a router
>
>
>
> the temptation  in using this type of french spindle router bit is, once
> gaining experience in using the spindle and bit, and seeing its benefits,
> to then go out and have a longer spindle made... I know an acquaintence
> that made an 8"(+/) overall length bit of the same design as the bit in the
> video... a bit scary when spinning at 20,000-plus RPM in a router and the
> cutting bit that far away from the router collet and bearing... he was only
> doing "kiss" cuts with that setup but still scary when I watched him using
> it... to solve that issue I have seen an arm mounted on a router that came
> around and attached to the end of the spindle, thus eliminating any
> "wobble" the spindle might experience, especially when pushing the size of
> the cutting bit protruding from the spindle... in that instance it was a
> router being hand held and shaping an intricately curved and shaped stair
> hand rail... this whole concept of a french spindle and its variations is
> considered to be dangerous in the industry, but such a time saver and
> quality-of-work producer that some people use it on a regular basis... and
> usually when there is no OSHA oversight, LOL... Happy safe milling to
> all!... Joe B.
>
> On Wednesday, November 27, 2024 at 7:32:48 AM UTC-5 Tim Ziegler wrote:
>
> For sure and possibly wear a face shield.
>
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 27, 2024 at 12:32 AM  wrote:
>
> Nice tool but you defiantly need to keep your fingers out of the way
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* 'finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 27 November 2024 8:22 AM
> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
> *Subject:* french spindle-type cutter for a router
>
>
>
> someone sent me this video... basically it is a miniature french spindle
> cutter designed to be used in a router... could work on a Legacy, but you
> would have to cut from the side (3o'clock or 9o'clock position in relation
> to the worlpiece)... certainly only taking only small cuts(e.g. fluting and
> reeding)... but very easy to grind your own profile design cutter for doing
> custom milling cuts... have been doing this for many years in the shop on a
> full size shaper, but nice to see someone making this smaller version for a
> router... comes with a warning though as it could be a bit dangerous if the
> cutter is improperly tightened into the bit holder(OSHA banned this
> technique many years ago, as some shops got greedy and put too large of a
> cutter in the slot)... but for doing small "kiss" cuts, we never had an
> issuehttps://www.facebook.com/share/r/17Xp9PiSMA/?mibextid=rYkE1A
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RE: french spindle-type cutter for a router

2024-11-27 Thread bulkeley 
That’s very interesting I would like to see a pic of one of those with the arm 
mounted on the router I would have a use for something like that

 

Bill

 

From: 'finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Thursday, 28 November 2024 12:39 AM
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: Re: french spindle-type cutter for a router

 

the temptation  in using this type of french spindle router bit is, once 
gaining experience in using the spindle and bit, and seeing its benefits, to 
then go out and have a longer spindle made... I know an acquaintence that made 
an 8"(+/) overall length bit of the same design as the bit in the video... a 
bit scary when spinning at 20,000-plus RPM in a router and the cutting bit that 
far away from the router collet and bearing... he was only doing "kiss" cuts 
with that setup but still scary when I watched him using it... to solve that 
issue I have seen an arm mounted on a router that came around and attached to 
the end of the spindle, thus eliminating any "wobble" the spindle might 
experience, especially when pushing the size of the cutting bit protruding from 
the spindle... in that instance it was a router being hand held and shaping an 
intricately curved and shaped stair hand rail... this whole concept of a french 
spindle and its variations is considered to be dangerous in the industry, but 
such a time saver and quality-of-work producer that some people use it on a 
regular basis... and usually when there is no OSHA oversight, LOL... Happy safe 
milling to all!... Joe B.

On Wednesday, November 27, 2024 at 7:32:48 AM UTC-5 Tim Ziegler wrote:

For sure and possibly wear a face shield. 

 

Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798   shop

320-630-2243   cell

 

On Wed, Nov 27, 2024 at 12:32 AM mailto:bulk...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote:

Nice tool but you defiantly need to keep your fingers out of the way 

 

Bill

 

From: 'finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Wednesday, 27 November 2024 8:22 AM
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: french spindle-type cutter for a router

 

someone sent me this video... basically it is a miniature french spindle cutter 
designed to be used in a router... could work on a Legacy, but you would have 
to cut from the side (3o'clock or 9o'clock position in relation to the 
worlpiece)... certainly only taking only small cuts(e.g. fluting and 
reeding)... but very easy to grind your own profile design cutter for doing 
custom milling cuts... have been doing this for many years in the shop on a 
full size shaper, but nice to see someone making this smaller version for a 
router... comes with a warning though as it could be a bit dangerous if the 
cutter is improperly tightened into the bit holder(OSHA banned this technique 
many years ago, as some shops got greedy and put too large of a cutter in the 
slot)... but for doing small "kiss" cuts, we never had an issue 
<https://www.facebook.com/share/r/17Xp9PiSMA/?mibextid=rYkE1A> 
https://www.facebook.com/share/r/17Xp9PiSMA/?mibextid=rYkE1A 

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Re: french spindle-type cutter for a router

2024-11-27 Thread Tim Ziegler 
yup good words of wisdom Dan

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell


On Wed, Nov 27, 2024 at 7:38 AM 'finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental
Mills  wrote:

> the temptation  in using this type of french spindle router bit is, once
> gaining experience in using the spindle and bit, and seeing its benefits,
> to then go out and have a longer spindle made... I know an acquaintence
> that made an 8"(+/) overall length bit of the same design as the bit in the
> video... a bit scary when spinning at 20,000-plus RPM in a router and the
> cutting bit that far away from the router collet and bearing... he was only
> doing "kiss" cuts with that setup but still scary when I watched him using
> it... to solve that issue I have seen an arm mounted on a router that came
> around and attached to the end of the spindle, thus eliminating any
> "wobble" the spindle might experience, especially when pushing the size of
> the cutting bit protruding from the spindle... in that instance it was a
> router being hand held and shaping an intricately curved and shaped stair
> hand rail... this whole concept of a french spindle and its variations is
> considered to be dangerous in the industry, but such a time saver and
> quality-of-work producer that some people use it on a regular basis... and
> usually when there is no OSHA oversight, LOL... Happy safe milling to
> all!... Joe B.
> On Wednesday, November 27, 2024 at 7:32:48 AM UTC-5 Tim Ziegler wrote:
>
>> For sure and possibly wear a face shield.
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>> Foreston MN 56330
>>
>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 27, 2024 at 12:32 AM  wrote:
>>
>>> Nice tool but you defiantly need to keep your fingers out of the way
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* 'finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
>>> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com>
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, 27 November 2024 8:22 AM
>>> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>>> *Subject:* french spindle-type cutter for a router
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> someone sent me this video... basically it is a miniature french spindle
>>> cutter designed to be used in a router... could work on a Legacy, but you
>>> would have to cut from the side (3o'clock or 9o'clock position in relation
>>> to the worlpiece)... certainly only taking only small cuts(e.g. fluting and
>>> reeding)... but very easy to grind your own profile design cutter for doing
>>> custom milling cuts... have been doing this for many years in the shop on a
>>> full size shaper, but nice to see someone making this smaller version for a
>>> router... comes with a warning though as it could be a bit dangerous if the
>>> cutter is improperly tightened into the bit holder(OSHA banned this
>>> technique many years ago, as some shops got greedy and put too large of a
>>> cutter in the slot)... but for doing small "kiss" cuts, we never had an
>>> issuehttps://www.facebook.com/share/r/17Xp9PiSMA/?mibextid=rYkE1A
>>>
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Re: french spindle-type cutter for a router

2024-11-27 Thread 'finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
the temptation  in using this type of french spindle router bit is, once 
gaining experience in using the spindle and bit, and seeing its benefits, 
to then go out and have a longer spindle made... I know an acquaintence 
that made an 8"(+/) overall length bit of the same design as the bit in the 
video... a bit scary when spinning at 20,000-plus RPM in a router and the 
cutting bit that far away from the router collet and bearing... he was only 
doing "kiss" cuts with that setup but still scary when I watched him using 
it... to solve that issue I have seen an arm mounted on a router that came 
around and attached to the end of the spindle, thus eliminating any 
"wobble" the spindle might experience, especially when pushing the size of 
the cutting bit protruding from the spindle... in that instance it was a 
router being hand held and shaping an intricately curved and shaped stair 
hand rail... this whole concept of a french spindle and its variations is 
considered to be dangerous in the industry, but such a time saver and 
quality-of-work producer that some people use it on a regular basis... and 
usually when there is no OSHA oversight, LOL... Happy safe milling to 
all!... Joe B.
On Wednesday, November 27, 2024 at 7:32:48 AM UTC-5 Tim Ziegler wrote:

> For sure and possibly wear a face shield. 
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
> On Wed, Nov 27, 2024 at 12:32 AM  wrote:
>
>> Nice tool but you defiantly need to keep your fingers out of the way 
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* 'finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
>> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> 
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, 27 November 2024 8:22 AM
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>> *Subject:* french spindle-type cutter for a router
>>
>>  
>>
>> someone sent me this video... basically it is a miniature french spindle 
>> cutter designed to be used in a router... could work on a Legacy, but you 
>> would have to cut from the side (3o'clock or 9o'clock position in relation 
>> to the worlpiece)... certainly only taking only small cuts(e.g. fluting and 
>> reeding)... but very easy to grind your own profile design cutter for doing 
>> custom milling cuts... have been doing this for many years in the shop on a 
>> full size shaper, but nice to see someone making this smaller version for a 
>> router... comes with a warning though as it could be a bit dangerous if the 
>> cutter is improperly tightened into the bit holder(OSHA banned this 
>> technique many years ago, as some shops got greedy and put too large of a 
>> cutter in the slot)... but for doing small "kiss" cuts, we never had an 
>> issuehttps://www.facebook.com/share/r/17Xp9PiSMA/?mibextid=rYkE1A 
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Re: french spindle-type cutter for a router

2024-11-27 Thread Tim Ziegler 
For sure and possibly wear a face shield.

Kind Regards,

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On Wed, Nov 27, 2024 at 12:32 AM  wrote:

> Nice tool but you defiantly need to keep your fingers out of the way
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* 'finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
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> *Sent:* Wednesday, 27 November 2024 8:22 AM
> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
> *Subject:* french spindle-type cutter for a router
>
>
>
> someone sent me this video... basically it is a miniature french spindle
> cutter designed to be used in a router... could work on a Legacy, but you
> would have to cut from the side (3o'clock or 9o'clock position in relation
> to the worlpiece)... certainly only taking only small cuts(e.g. fluting and
> reeding)... but very easy to grind your own profile design cutter for doing
> custom milling cuts... have been doing this for many years in the shop on a
> full size shaper, but nice to see someone making this smaller version for a
> router... comes with a warning though as it could be a bit dangerous if the
> cutter is improperly tightened into the bit holder(OSHA banned this
> technique many years ago, as some shops got greedy and put too large of a
> cutter in the slot)... but for doing small "kiss" cuts, we never had an
> issuehttps://www.facebook.com/share/r/17Xp9PiSMA/?mibextid=rYkE1A
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Re: french spindle-type cutter for a router

2024-11-27 Thread Tim Ziegler 
Good input Curt.

Kind Regards,

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On Tue, Nov 26, 2024 at 11:01 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
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> Wow! Hello Everyone.
> Those bits are neat.
> I was going to state, like Tim said the craftsman mounding cuter head for
> the table saw is the closes thing
> to with I have seen, that even come close. I do like the video and will
> keep my out of these router bits.
> Like Joe said these bits could be used on the Legacy, in some cutting
> operations.
>
> thanks for the head up on this.
> Have a good night.
>
> C.A.G.
> On Tuesday, November 26, 2024 at 10:19:47 PM EST, Tim Ziegler <
> timjzieg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> thanks Dan for the update and correction.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 26, 2024 at 5:00 PM cdkr...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
> Correction:  My shaper spindle blocks are not quite the true French
> spindle.  My shaper blocks are dovetail slotted and hold toothed shaper
> steel blanks at a proper cutting angle. The true French spindle holds the
> cutting edge tangent to the circle where it cuts, so there's zero to a bit
> negative rake.  The cutters should be soft enough to hold a burr burnished
> on like a scraper cutter. Balance is still a critical issue.
> DanK
>
> On Tuesday, November 26, 2024 at 5:37:16 PM UTC-5 cdkr...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> I have used and still have that type of cutter for my smallish shaper.
> Without the indexing teeth for secure grip they are dangerous. I was
> working in my NY shop when an employee turned on the big shaper with a 1
> 1/2" set of bits without properly tightening the nut. It was not equipped
> with safety teeth and I heard the cutter whiz past my head about 24" away
> on its way out of the shop through a 12" brick wall. Never did find it. The
> exit hole was a hint...
>
> This tiny thing for the router may not be so bad the way it's designed.
> Looks handy. Video is not from U.S. is it?  Might be hard to come by one.
> DanK
> On Tuesday, November 26, 2024 at 4:21:44 PM UTC-5 finu...@aol.com wrote:
>
> someone sent me this video... basically it is a miniature french spindle
> cutter designed to be used in a router... could work on a Legacy, but you
> would have to cut from the side (3o'clock or 9o'clock position in relation
> to the worlpiece)... certainly only taking only small cuts(e.g. fluting and
> reeding)... but very easy to grind your own profile design cutter for doing
> custom milling cuts... have been doing this for many years in the shop on a
> full size shaper, but nice to see someone making this smaller version for a
> router... comes with a warning though as it could be a bit dangerous if the
> cutter is improperly tightened into the bit holder(OSHA banned this
> technique many years ago, as some shops got greedy and put too large of a
> cutter in the slot)... but for doing small "kiss" cuts, we never had an
> issuehttps://www.facebook.com/share/r/17Xp9PiSMA/?mibextid=rYkE1A
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RE: french spindle-type cutter for a router

2024-11-26 Thread bulkeley 
Nice tool but you defiantly need to keep your fingers out of the way 

 

Bill

 

From: 'finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Wednesday, 27 November 2024 8:22 AM
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: french spindle-type cutter for a router

 

someone sent me this video... basically it is a miniature french spindle cutter 
designed to be used in a router... could work on a Legacy, but you would have 
to cut from the side (3o'clock or 9o'clock position in relation to the 
worlpiece)... certainly only taking only small cuts(e.g. fluting and 
reeding)... but very easy to grind your own profile design cutter for doing 
custom milling cuts... have been doing this for many years in the shop on a 
full size shaper, but nice to see someone making this smaller version for a 
router... comes with a warning though as it could be a bit dangerous if the 
cutter is improperly tightened into the bit holder(OSHA banned this technique 
many years ago, as some shops got greedy and put too large of a cutter in the 
slot)... but for doing small "kiss" cuts, we never had an issue 
 
https://www.facebook.com/share/r/17Xp9PiSMA/?mibextid=rYkE1A 

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Re: french spindle-type cutter for a router

2024-11-26 Thread 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 Wow! Hello Everyone. Those bits are neat.  I was going to state, like Tim said 
the craftsman mounding cuter head for the table saw is the closes thingto with 
I have seen, that even come close. I do like the video and will keep my out of 
these router bits. Like Joe said these bits could be used on the Legacy, in 
some cutting operations.
thanks for the head up on this.Have a good night.
C.A.G.On Tuesday, November 26, 2024 at 10:19:47 PM EST, Tim Ziegler 
 wrote:  
 
 thanks Dan for the update and correction.
Kind Regards,
Timothy J. ZieglerZiegler WoodWork & SpecialtyZiegler Laser Worx LLC14171 160th 
Ave.Foreston MN 56330
320-294-5798 shop320-630-2243 cell

On Tue, Nov 26, 2024 at 5:00 PM cdkr...@gmail.com  wrote:

Correction:  My shaper spindle blocks are not quite the true French spindle.  
My shaper blocks are dovetail slotted and hold toothed shaper steel blanks at a 
proper cutting angle. The true French spindle holds the cutting edge tangent to 
the circle where it cuts, so there's zero to a bit negative rake.  The cutters 
should be soft enough to hold a burr burnished on like a scraper cutter. 
Balance is still a critical issue.DanK

On Tuesday, November 26, 2024 at 5:37:16 PM UTC-5 cdkr...@gmail.com wrote:

I have used and still have that type of cutter for my smallish shaper. Without 
the indexing teeth for secure grip they are dangerous. I was working in my NY 
shop when an employee turned on the big shaper with a 1 1/2" set of bits 
without properly tightening the nut. It was not equipped with safety teeth and 
I heard the cutter whiz past my head about 24" away on its way out of the shop 
through a 12" brick wall. Never did find it. The exit hole was a hint...

This tiny thing for the router may not be so bad the way it's designed. Looks 
handy. Video is not from U.S. is it?  Might be hard to come by one.
DanK
On Tuesday, November 26, 2024 at 4:21:44 PM UTC-5 finu...@aol.com wrote:

someone sent me this video... basically it is a miniature french spindle cutter 
designed to be used in a router... could work on a Legacy, but you would have 
to cut from the side (3o'clock or 9o'clock position in relation to the 
worlpiece)... certainly only taking only small cuts(e.g. fluting and 
reeding)... but very easy to grind your own profile design cutter for doing 
custom milling cuts... have been doing this for many years in the shop on a 
full size shaper, but nice to see someone making this smaller version for a 
router... comes with a warning though as it could be a bit dangerous if the 
cutter is improperly tightened into the bit holder(OSHA banned this technique 
many years ago, as some shops got greedy and put too large of a cutter in the 
slot)... but for doing small "kiss" cuts, we never had an issue   
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Re: french spindle-type cutter for a router

2024-11-26 Thread Tim Ziegler 
thanks Dan for the update and correction.

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

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On Tue, Nov 26, 2024 at 5:00 PM cdkr...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Correction:  My shaper spindle blocks are not quite the true French
> spindle.  My shaper blocks are dovetail slotted and hold toothed shaper
> steel blanks at a proper cutting angle. The true French spindle holds the
> cutting edge tangent to the circle where it cuts, so there's zero to a bit
> negative rake.  The cutters should be soft enough to hold a burr burnished
> on like a scraper cutter. Balance is still a critical issue.
> DanK
>
> On Tuesday, November 26, 2024 at 5:37:16 PM UTC-5 cdkr...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I have used and still have that type of cutter for my smallish shaper.
>> Without the indexing teeth for secure grip they are dangerous. I was
>> working in my NY shop when an employee turned on the big shaper with a 1
>> 1/2" set of bits without properly tightening the nut. It was not equipped
>> with safety teeth and I heard the cutter whiz past my head about 24" away
>> on its way out of the shop through a 12" brick wall. Never did find it. The
>> exit hole was a hint...
>>
>> This tiny thing for the router may not be so bad the way it's designed.
>> Looks handy. Video is not from U.S. is it?  Might be hard to come by one.
>> DanK
>> On Tuesday, November 26, 2024 at 4:21:44 PM UTC-5 finu...@aol.com wrote:
>>
>>> someone sent me this video... basically it is a miniature french spindle
>>> cutter designed to be used in a router... could work on a Legacy, but you
>>> would have to cut from the side (3o'clock or 9o'clock position in relation
>>> to the worlpiece)... certainly only taking only small cuts(e.g. fluting and
>>> reeding)... but very easy to grind your own profile design cutter for doing
>>> custom milling cuts... have been doing this for many years in the shop on a
>>> full size shaper, but nice to see someone making this smaller version for a
>>> router... comes with a warning though as it could be a bit dangerous if the
>>> cutter is improperly tightened into the bit holder(OSHA banned this
>>> technique many years ago, as some shops got greedy and put too large of a
>>> cutter in the slot)... but for doing small "kiss" cuts, we never had an
>>> issuehttps://www.facebook.com/share/r/17Xp9PiSMA/?mibextid=rYkE1A
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Re: french spindle-type cutter for a router

2024-11-26 Thread Tim Ziegler 
yeah sorta reminds me of those craftsman shaper heads for the table saw
with the changeable bits. I have one of those too. But seldom use it.

Kind Regards,

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Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
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On Tue, Nov 26, 2024 at 4:37 PM cdkr...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> I have used and still have that type of cutter for my smallish shaper.
> Without the indexing teeth for secure grip they are dangerous. I was
> working in my NY shop when an employee turned on the big shaper with a 1
> 1/2" set of bits without properly tightening the nut. It was not equipped
> with safety teeth and I heard the cutter whiz past my head about 24" away
> on its way out of the shop through a 12" brick wall. Never did find it. The
> exit hole was a hint...
>
> This tiny thing for the router may not be so bad the way it's designed.
> Looks handy. Video is not from U.S. is it?  Might be hard to come by one.
> DanK
> On Tuesday, November 26, 2024 at 4:21:44 PM UTC-5 finu...@aol.com wrote:
>
>> someone sent me this video... basically it is a miniature french spindle
>> cutter designed to be used in a router... could work on a Legacy, but you
>> would have to cut from the side (3o'clock or 9o'clock position in relation
>> to the worlpiece)... certainly only taking only small cuts(e.g. fluting and
>> reeding)... but very easy to grind your own profile design cutter for doing
>> custom milling cuts... have been doing this for many years in the shop on a
>> full size shaper, but nice to see someone making this smaller version for a
>> router... comes with a warning though as it could be a bit dangerous if the
>> cutter is improperly tightened into the bit holder(OSHA banned this
>> technique many years ago, as some shops got greedy and put too large of a
>> cutter in the slot)... but for doing small "kiss" cuts, we never had an
>> issuehttps://www.facebook.com/share/r/17Xp9PiSMA/?mibextid=rYkE1A
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Re: french spindle-type cutter for a router

2024-11-26 Thread Tim Ziegler 
That would be one slick bit to own though wow.
One would have it made in the shade for sure.

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> someone sent me this video... basically it is a miniature french spindle
> cutter designed to be used in a router... could work on a Legacy, but you
> would have to cut from the side (3o'clock or 9o'clock position in relation
> to the worlpiece)... certainly only taking only small cuts(e.g. fluting and
> reeding)... but very easy to grind your own profile design cutter for doing
> custom milling cuts... have been doing this for many years in the shop on a
> full size shaper, but nice to see someone making this smaller version for a
> router... comes with a warning though as it could be a bit dangerous if the
> cutter is improperly tightened into the bit holder(OSHA banned this
> technique many years ago, as some shops got greedy and put too large of a
> cutter in the slot)... but for doing small "kiss" cuts, we never had an
> issuehttps://www.facebook.com/share/r/17Xp9PiSMA/?mibextid=rYkE1A
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Re: french spindle-type cutter for a router

2024-11-26 Thread cdkr...@gmail.com 
Correction:  My shaper spindle blocks are not quite the true French 
spindle.  My shaper blocks are dovetail slotted and hold toothed shaper 
steel blanks at a proper cutting angle. The true French spindle holds the 
cutting edge tangent to the circle where it cuts, so there's zero to a bit 
negative rake.  The cutters should be soft enough to hold a burr burnished 
on like a scraper cutter. Balance is still a critical issue.
DanK

On Tuesday, November 26, 2024 at 5:37:16 PM UTC-5 cdkr...@gmail.com wrote:

> I have used and still have that type of cutter for my smallish shaper. 
> Without the indexing teeth for secure grip they are dangerous. I was 
> working in my NY shop when an employee turned on the big shaper with a 1 
> 1/2" set of bits without properly tightening the nut. It was not equipped 
> with safety teeth and I heard the cutter whiz past my head about 24" away 
> on its way out of the shop through a 12" brick wall. Never did find it. The 
> exit hole was a hint...
>
> This tiny thing for the router may not be so bad the way it's designed. 
> Looks handy. Video is not from U.S. is it?  Might be hard to come by one.
> DanK
> On Tuesday, November 26, 2024 at 4:21:44 PM UTC-5 finu...@aol.com wrote:
>
>> someone sent me this video... basically it is a miniature french spindle 
>> cutter designed to be used in a router... could work on a Legacy, but you 
>> would have to cut from the side (3o'clock or 9o'clock position in relation 
>> to the worlpiece)... certainly only taking only small cuts(e.g. fluting and 
>> reeding)... but very easy to grind your own profile design cutter for doing 
>> custom milling cuts... have been doing this for many years in the shop on a 
>> full size shaper, but nice to see someone making this smaller version for a 
>> router... comes with a warning though as it could be a bit dangerous if the 
>> cutter is improperly tightened into the bit holder(OSHA banned this 
>> technique many years ago, as some shops got greedy and put too large of a 
>> cutter in the slot)... but for doing small "kiss" cuts, we never had an 
>> issuehttps://www.facebook.com/share/r/17Xp9PiSMA/?mibextid=rYkE1A
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Re: french spindle-type cutter for a router

2024-11-26 Thread cdkr...@gmail.com 
I have used and still have that type of cutter for my smallish shaper. 
Without the indexing teeth for secure grip they are dangerous. I was 
working in my NY shop when an employee turned on the big shaper with a 1 
1/2" set of bits without properly tightening the nut. It was not equipped 
with safety teeth and I heard the cutter whiz past my head about 24" away 
on its way out of the shop through a 12" brick wall. Never did find it. The 
exit hole was a hint...

This tiny thing for the router may not be so bad the way it's designed. 
Looks handy. Video is not from U.S. is it?  Might be hard to come by one.
DanK
On Tuesday, November 26, 2024 at 4:21:44 PM UTC-5 finu...@aol.com wrote:

> someone sent me this video... basically it is a miniature french spindle 
> cutter designed to be used in a router... could work on a Legacy, but you 
> would have to cut from the side (3o'clock or 9o'clock position in relation 
> to the worlpiece)... certainly only taking only small cuts(e.g. fluting and 
> reeding)... but very easy to grind your own profile design cutter for doing 
> custom milling cuts... have been doing this for many years in the shop on a 
> full size shaper, but nice to see someone making this smaller version for a 
> router... comes with a warning though as it could be a bit dangerous if the 
> cutter is improperly tightened into the bit holder(OSHA banned this 
> technique many years ago, as some shops got greedy and put too large of a 
> cutter in the slot)... but for doing small "kiss" cuts, we never had an 
> issuehttps://www.facebook.com/share/r/17Xp9PiSMA/?mibextid=rYkE1A

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