Re: [LegacyUG] Volunteer?

2017-10-13 Thread Dennis Birke 
As John indicated in his original post, email him directly (at 
jfcardi...@gmail.com  ) if you’re interested.  
Please don’t respond to the whole group.

 

From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of William E. Hippe
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2017 4:08 PM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Volunteer?

 

John,

 

I would be happy to help you out, I have experience with gedcom and Legacy is 
my primary genealogy program.

 

Bill Hippe

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On Oct 13, 2017, at 1:01 PM, "ashcr...@sasktel.net 
 "  > wrote:

I would be interested.

 

Jean Ashcroft

 

Sent from my HTC

 

- Reply message -
From: "John Cardinal"  >
To: "'Legacy User Group'"  >
Subject: [LegacyUG] Volunteer?
Date: Fri, Oct 13, 2017 1:41 PM

 

I am hoping to find a volunteer or two to help test some Legacy-related
changes I am making to GedSite, a Windows program that makes web sites from
GEDCOM data.
 
GedSite has special features for several programs, including Legacy. One
such feature is the ability to interpret event sentence templates.
 
As of now, the release version of GedSite has only partial support for
Legacy sentences: it supports overridden sentences, i.e., sentences that
were customized for a particular event. Global sentence templates defined in
Legacy's Event Definition window are not supported because the model Legacy
uses (where an event definition has 8 sentence variations) is somewhat at
odds with how GedSite and other programs work.
 
In a development (pre-release) version of GedSite I have added support for
global sentences in Legacy. I'd like some help testing the feature. I'll
provide a free license for GedSite 1 to the selected volunteer(s).
 
Please do not volunteer unless you are actively using Legacy.
 
Many genealogists have discovered that GedSite is a useful tool even if you
do not intend to publish your data on the web. GedSite makes the web site
files on your own PC, and they can be browsed there without any further
publishing steps and without any special software. 
 
Please contact me off-list to volunteer. Thanks.
 
John Cardinal
 
Author of GedSite - www.gedsite.com  
Host of Family History Hosting - www.familyhistoryhosting.com 
 
 
 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Exporting Part of Family Data

2017-10-10 Thread Dennis Birke 

Thank you, Cathy.

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From: "Cathy Pinner" <genea...@gmail.com>
To: "Legacy User Group" <legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com>
Sent: 10/10/2017 7:39:26 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Exporting Part of Family Data


Dennis
For media, make sure you have no broken links
Use Advanced Tagging and tag the descendants. I think you'll want 
Descendants only rather than Entire Descendant Line but you could try 
both. Note both options can be limited by the number of generations.
If you really want all relatives you have of this particular relative, 
instead, Set Relationships to them and then Search for Individual - 
Relationship -Equal to - Related and tag them.
Export to a Legacy file (File - Export - Legacy) and choose to export 
those tagged and check all the associated checkboxes.

Check the Privacy settings and set to your preference.

When you have the new file, do a Data and Media Backup. The Media 
backup will be only the Media associated with the people you've 
included.
If they don't have Legacy, then also export this file to Gedcom - again 
check all the settings includi ng Privacy.


Cathy

Dennis Birke wrote:


My Legacy database includes data for both my family (paternal and
maternal lines) and my wife’s family. I would like to send a relative
a subset of this data. Specifically, I’d like to send the data and
media files (and probably a GEDCOM file too) for the people (and their
spouses) who are the descendants of my paternal Great, Great, Great
Grandfather. I’m guessing there will be 1,000 to 1,100 people in this
collection, and so I’d like to use an automated way for selected the
people.

What is the best way to select the appropriate people and to export
the pertinent data and media files?

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[LegacyUG] Exporting Part of Family Data

2017-10-10 Thread Dennis Birke 
My Legacy database includes data for both my family (paternal and maternal
lines) and my wife's family.  I would like to send a relative a subset of
this data.  Specifically, I'd like to send the data and media files (and
probably a GEDCOM file too) for the people (and their spouses) who are the
descendants of my paternal Great, Great, Great Grandfather.  I'm guessing
there will be 1,000 to 1,100 people in this collection, and so I'd like to
use an automated way for selected the people.  

 

What is the best way to select the appropriate people and to export the
pertinent data and media files?

 

Thanks for any assistance you can offer.

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[LegacyUG] Certain Geographic Names

2017-09-17 Thread Dennis Birke 
Many of my relatives were born and died in the St. Louis area.  In Missouri,
the City of St. Louis is not within any county - it is a separate
independent entity.  But, the City of St. Louis is adjacent to St. Louis
County.  While St. Louis County is made up of dozens of cities, the names of
these cities are almost always ignored - everybody uses "St. Louis" as the
place name, whether they are in the City of St. Louis or in a city or town
in St. Louis County.  This makes trying to identify the precise town or city
very difficult, and I've ended up with a lot of inconsistencies in the
geographic names.

 

How would you experienced Legacy users handle this situation?  I am inclined
to follow these two conventions:  (1)  If the record identifies a specific
city in St. Louis County, I will use that name (e.g., "Clayton, St. Louis,
Missouri, United States").  2.  In all other cases, when the record
references "St. Louis", I will use "St. Louis, Missouri, United States."  

 

What are your thoughts?

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Re: [LegacyUG] Is MyHeritage Worth It?

2017-09-05 Thread Dennis Birke 
I agree – this is an interesting conversation!

 

Subscriptions to Ancestry.com and Newspapers.com strike me as a good 
combination.  Newspapers.com seems to offer a lot that Ancestry.com does not 
have.  You get a lot of “bang for the buck”.

 

Do others have recommended combinations of genealogy sites that provide a lot 
of information with minimal duplication?  

 

From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Scott Hall
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2017 9:29 AM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Is MyHeritage Worth It?

 

Such an interesting conversation!  It would be very nice if there were a 
side-by-side comparison of each site's catalogs such that you could see where 
the sites overlap and where they are unique.  Perhaps where they are unique 
interests you, perhaps it does not.  I know no place that does this for us, and 
my half-committed attempts to do it myself showed only that its a monumental 
exercise and that the catalogs of each site are not always easy or available.

I've been a member of Ancestry for years now, and it remains the most complete 
site out there.  I also use FamilySearch (free!) and recently joined 
Newspapers.com.  One strategy I've though of doing is to rotate my memberships 
-- let Ancestry elapse (not renew) and join MyHertiage.  Use that for a year or 
so, let it elapse, move to the next.

One other thought is to focus on a certain area (e.g. vital records, 
immigration records, newspapers, etc.).  Nearly all lines of my family save one 
come from Rochester, NY, and when looking for obituaries, I did a focused 
review of the catalogs of GenealogyBank, Newspapers.com, NewspaperArchive and 
Ancestry.  I attempted to catalog only the newspapers for the 
counties/cities/towns the Rochester metro area.  From this I knew that 
Newspapers.com was the best site for me to start with.  A similar strategy may 
be employed for other types of records.

Or, if you want to start a project to export each site's catalog and make it 
available to compare and contrast, I'd be willing to help.  :)

Scott

 

On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:10 AM, Linda Hodges  > wrote:

Family search has records 

Ancestry has records

Find my past has records

My heritage has records

Fold 3 has records

 

 

YES, they may overlap.

YES, some may have sets others don't.

 

Want to see what they have with out paying?

 

Use their catalog search to see the record sets they offer.

 

Go to your local library/FAMILY History Library.  Most libraries have FREE 
ACCESS, to one or more of the pay sites.

 

 

We need to understand RECORDS can be found many places, as can trees.  Yes, 
tress can be wrong, but so can records. Boops can also be incorrect.

 

People lie.  Yes even your ancestors and mine.  

 

Women were pregnant before marriage.  

 

Men cheated on their wives and had babies with other women.  

 

Women cheated on husbands and then said the baby was hubby's.

 

Men lied about their age to go to war.

 

Both sexs lied about being widowed.

 

And the list goes on.

 

Use trees as HINTS to point you in a direction you may not have thought of. 

 

All facts found are only as good as the researcher who reported them at that 
time. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Sep 5, 2017 9:45 AM, "Philip Solida"  > wrote:

Maybe they do... but are they different, or just a rehash of Ancestry site 
records? Lots of new and different records may have value, while repeating what 
you already have, would not.

 

On Sep 5, 2017 9:07 AM, "Linda Hodges"  > wrote:

My heritage has RECORDS!!! It's not just trees.  

 

 

 

On Sep 5, 2017 9:04 AM, "Donna Rodriguez"  > wrote:

Is MyHeritage yet another conglomeration of undocumented "family trees"?   
Without complete documentation from primary sources, then value to the serious 
family researcher seems dubious.

Regards,

Donna
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Re: [LegacyUG] MyHeritage 50% off offer question

2017-09-04 Thread Dennis Birke 
Rather than continuing to fret over the terms, why don't you do what Mike did 
and call My Heritage customer service and talk to them?  

If this issue is so important that it warrants all these postings, why don't 
you try to resolve the issue, rather than fret over some perceived lack of 
clarity.  You don't need Geoff -- you can solve this problem yourself.

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> On Sep 4, 2017, at 8:33 AM, marion wimsett <2wi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Sorry to but in, down under in WA I am seeing $150 - with no info regarding a 
> price lock!
> 
>> On Mon, 4 Sep 2017 at 9:22 pm, Sherry  wrote:
>> Great news, Mike!
>> 
>> 
>> Sherry
>> 
>>> On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 3:01 AM, Mike James  wrote:
>>> Regarding having an existing MyHeritage membership and the Legacy Family 
>>> Tree offer, I phoned the MyHeritage helpline and explained my predicament.
>>> After a bit of checking we managed to sort out a mutually acceptable 
>>> solution.
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> 
>>> Mike James
>>> 
 On 4 September 2017 at 09:14, marion wimsett <2wi...@gmail.com> wrote:
 No one has answered the query though concerning the life long Price Lock 
 Guarantee - it does not appear on the web site that I can see and no one, 
 so far, has acknowledged they have been confirmed with the Price Lock 
 Guarantee. This needs to be clarified.
 I agree about the prices, Australia always seems to be higher, even making 
 allowance for exchange rates, Ancestry has the same problem - go through 
 the Australian site and you will be charged far more than the UK or USA 
 site!
 Cheers,
 Marion
 
> On 4 September 2017 at 15:16, Elizabeth Lindsay 
>  wrote:
> I think you will find that there are different prices for different 
> countries. e.g Australians are often expected to pay more for sites 
> regardless of exchange rates, e.g. ancestry is cheaper for UK members, so 
> if one pays through the UK site you get a better deal.
> 
> Not sure how that works with MyHeritage but it is a practice I really 
> dislike.
> 
> Elizabeth
> 
>  
> 
> From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
> Behalf Of CE WOOD
> Sent: Monday, 4 September 2017 11:39 AM
> 
> 
> To: Legacy User Group 
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] MyHeritage 50% off offer question
>  
> 
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> 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Source Detail

2017-08-10 Thread Dennis Birke 
Cathy and Jane, thank you for your responses to my question.  I appreciate
the help.

-Original Message-
From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On
Behalf Of Cathy Pinner
Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2017 8:49 PM
To: Legacy User Group <legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com>
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Source Detail

Dennis,
Your problem has nothing to do the SourceWriter but the way you are using
the the Source Clipboard. You'd have the same problem with Basic sources.

Once you add the Master Source AND the Source Detail to the Source
Clipboard, you can then paste that combination anywhere.
You can copy a complete citation from the Assigned Sources screen to the
Clipboard using the Copy to Clipboard icon bottom left, or you can manually
enter the detail on the Source Clipboard after you've chosen your Master
Source.
If you need to use a different source from the Source Clipboard and then
come back to this one, Save that particular Clipboard - it will save the
Master Source and the Source Detail - then use another source, then Load the
first source again when you need to use it again. You can save up to
10 Master Source + Source Detail combinations. Just make sure you give them
a name that makes sense to you when you save.

To switch between saved Source Clipboards, you can right click on the Source
Clipboard arrow button and choose from the list of saved source clipboards.

Cathy

> Dennis Birke <mailto:dpbi...@gmail.com> Thursday, 10 August 2017 9:02 
> AM I want to cite to an obituary a particular person for various items 
> of information.  I created a master source for the obituary, including 
> the source details.
>
> When I try to use the clipboard for subsequent citations (for other 
> items of information), I select the correct master source, but then it 
> opens to the source detail window but the source details I recorded 
> when I created the master source do not show up.  In this case, the 
> source details will not vary from item to item.  How do I avoid having 
> to repeatedly re-type the same source details?
>
> I realize there is probably a simply solution to this problem, but I 
> cannot figure it out.  This is why I have a love/hate relationship 
> with Source Writer.


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[LegacyUG] Source Detail

2017-08-09 Thread Dennis Birke 
I want to cite to an obituary a particular person for various items of
information.  I created a master source for the obituary, including the
source details.

When I try to use the clipboard for subsequent citations (for other items
of information), I select the correct master source, but then it opens to
the source detail window but the source details I recorded when I created
the master source do not show up.  In this case, the source details will
not vary from item to item.  How do I avoid having to repeatedly re-type
the same source details?

I realize there is probably a simply solution to this problem, but I cannot
figure it out.  This is why I have a love/hate relationship with Source
Writer.
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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy Blog Entry re: My Heritage

2017-08-08 Thread Dennis Birke 
Thanks for posting, Paul.

 

From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On
Behalf Of Paul Gray
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 10:38 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Legacy Blog Entry re: My Heritage

 

Good posting from Geoff regarding Legacy and My Heritage

 

Bottom Line

 

*   Legacy will continue as a stand alone desktop program
*   There will be links to My Heritage, but they are totally optional

 

http://news.legacyfamilytree.com/legacy_news/2017/08/legacy-and-myheritage-m
ore-faqs-answered.html

 

 

Paul

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Re: [LegacyUG] Fake news and vitriol

2017-08-07 Thread Dennis Birke 
Thanks, Susie.  You expressed what I have been thinking over the past few
days as a read all of the alarmist postings.

The world is not ending because of this corporate transaction.  We all have
far more important things to worry about.

On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 8:35 PM, Susie Zada  wrote:

> Hi Folks,
>
> I suggest that everyone take a big deep breath and read the facts and not
> fly off at ignorant statements.
>
> It is very sad to see some of the mis-information followed by unwarranted
> attacks on both MyHeritage and LegacyFamilyTree / Millennium.  I am a very
> happy user of both and yes they all have their faults but firstly you can't
> blame either for incorrect data on the trees on their sites.  You should be
> aiming your anger at the poor research done by some people - but hey, is
> there ANYONE who hasn't made a mistake on their tree on this list?  BE
> HONEST!
>
> READ exactly how the hints and matching work - NO-ONE has stolen your data.
>
> And I know this statement might upset a lot of people but this IS a fact -
> I
> joined MyHeritage and have had some wonderful assistance with their various
> matches and suggestions because there are so many non-Americans involved -
> in other words it's not USA-centric!  And don't start arguing about that or
> denying that as an issue - go back and look at how many messages comment on
> the LFT location 'rules' don't fit the rest of the world.
>
> I love Legacy and still use it.
>
> I love My Heritage and definitely use it.  I have made more progress with
> hints in recent times from My Heritage than any other research I've done.
>
> A very happy customer of both!
>
> Regards ... Susie Zada
> Geelong, Victoria, Australia with ancestors in Australia, Germany, France,
> Italy, Prussia, England and Ireland - with just a couple of family
> detouring
> via the USA
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Citing a Source

2017-07-27 Thread Dennis Birke 
Leon, regarding your first option, you say that “1 click on triple bar on left 
side of data entry screen assigns the clipboard source to all the fields for 
that person.”  

 

When I try this, the clipboard source is copied into only one field – the field 
where the arrow is then located.  I understood you to be saying that if I 
proceeded in the manner you suggested, the clipboard source would be copied 
into every field where data had been entered for that person.  Is that correct? 
 If so, what do you think I’m doing wrong?

 

From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Leon Chapman
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 11:03 AM
To: Legacy User Group <legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com>
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Citing a Source

 

You MUST cite each piece of data for every person.

 

You can do the sourcing in a few different ways.

1. Source each person and their data as you enter them using 1 master source & 
clipboard - this is what I would do.  This is pretty easy - create the master 
source and copy it to the clipboard.  Enter each person’s data and 1 click on 
triple bar on left side of data entry screen assigns the clipboard source to 
all the fields for that person.  So, basically, it is 1 more click on data 
entry to assign the source to that persons data.

 

2. Create a blank Legacy database and enter all the new people and then create 
1 master source

  A. Then, source everyone and all their data using advanced sourcing.   

  B.  Import these people into your main database (Note:  you will need one 
common person in both databases to aid with the import/merging of people.

 

3. You can enter all the new people without any sourcing

   A.  Create 1 master source for these people

   B.  Tag all Descendants from the oldest person (sister) that gave you the 
information (Tag all of the new people with Tag 1)

   C.  Use Advanced Sourcing (From Tools) and assign the new source to everyone 
with a Tag 1 and all their data fields.

 

 

Any of these options work, but Options 2 and 3 require a little more knowledge 
of importing / merging / Tagging / Sourcing.  If you have less that about 15-20 
people, I would use option 1.  When you more than 20 people, then option 2 or 3 
will be much easier to accomplish the sourcing of everyone’s information.

 

Good luck.


Leon Chapman
chap...@gmail.com <mailto:chap...@gmail.com> 



 

On Jul 26, 2017, at 7:36 AM, Dennis Birke <dpbi...@gmail.com 
<mailto:dpbi...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

I’ve been using Legacy for several years, but I’m only beginning to cite 
sources.  So, I’m still trying to figure out the best way to handle citations.  
Here is the situation I’m currently grappling with:

 

Until recently, my family database did not include information about the 
descendants of one of my great-grandfather’s sisters.  I recently connected 
with the daughter of the sister and she has provided me with fairly complete 
information about all of the sister’s descendants – about 40 people when you 
include spouses.  (You can imagine my delight in getting this treasure trove of 
information in one fell swoop!)

 

Since this information was fairly hard to come by, I’d like to cite the source 
(i.e., personal correspondence from the daughter).  But, it feels like 
“overkill” to generate a citation to this source for each of four or five 
fields of data for each of about 40 people.  That’s a lot of repetitive work 
(even when using the clipboard) and that will generate a lot of duplicate 
footnotes in a descendants report (which is the type of report I most 
frequently generate).  So, I have been considering preparing one citation 
(probably connected with the sister) saying something like:  “Unless otherwise 
noted, all cited information regarding [Sister X} and her descendants was 
obtained from [Name of daughter] by letter dated .”  

 

The problem I see with this approach is that for certain kinds of reports, the 
single citation tied to the sister may not be included in the report and there 
will be nothing cited for a the many descendants.  

 

How would those of you familiar with citation practices handle this situation?

 

Thanks for any assistance you can provide.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Citing a Source

2017-07-26 Thread Dennis Birke 
Thanks to everyone who responded.  I’ll try some of the suggested options 
tonight.

 

From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Leon Chapman
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 11:03 AM
To: Legacy User Group <legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com>
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Citing a Source

 

You MUST cite each piece of data for every person.

 

You can do the sourcing in a few different ways.

1. Source each person and their data as you enter them using 1 master source & 
clipboard - this is what I would do.  This is pretty easy - create the master 
source and copy it to the clipboard.  Enter each person’s data and 1 click on 
triple bar on left side of data entry screen assigns the clipboard source to 
all the fields for that person.  So, basically, it is 1 more click on data 
entry to assign the source to that persons data.

 

2. Create a blank Legacy database and enter all the new people and then create 
1 master source

  A. Then, source everyone and all their data using advanced sourcing.   

  B.  Import these people into your main database (Note:  you will need one 
common person in both databases to aid with the import/merging of people.

 

3. You can enter all the new people without any sourcing

   A.  Create 1 master source for these people

   B.  Tag all Descendants from the oldest person (sister) that gave you the 
information (Tag all of the new people with Tag 1)

   C.  Use Advanced Sourcing (From Tools) and assign the new source to everyone 
with a Tag 1 and all their data fields.

 

 

Any of these options work, but Options 2 and 3 require a little more knowledge 
of importing / merging / Tagging / Sourcing.  If you have less that about 15-20 
people, I would use option 1.  When you more than 20 people, then option 2 or 3 
will be much easier to accomplish the sourcing of everyone’s information.

 

Good luck.


Leon Chapman
chap...@gmail.com <mailto:chap...@gmail.com> 



 

On Jul 26, 2017, at 7:36 AM, Dennis Birke <dpbi...@gmail.com 
<mailto:dpbi...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

I’ve been using Legacy for several years, but I’m only beginning to cite 
sources.  So, I’m still trying to figure out the best way to handle citations.  
Here is the situation I’m currently grappling with:

 

Until recently, my family database did not include information about the 
descendants of one of my great-grandfather’s sisters.  I recently connected 
with the daughter of the sister and she has provided me with fairly complete 
information about all of the sister’s descendants – about 40 people when you 
include spouses.  (You can imagine my delight in getting this treasure trove of 
information in one fell swoop!)

 

Since this information was fairly hard to come by, I’d like to cite the source 
(i.e., personal correspondence from the daughter).  But, it feels like 
“overkill” to generate a citation to this source for each of four or five 
fields of data for each of about 40 people.  That’s a lot of repetitive work 
(even when using the clipboard) and that will generate a lot of duplicate 
footnotes in a descendants report (which is the type of report I most 
frequently generate).  So, I have been considering preparing one citation 
(probably connected with the sister) saying something like:  “Unless otherwise 
noted, all cited information regarding [Sister X} and her descendants was 
obtained from [Name of daughter] by letter dated .”  

 

The problem I see with this approach is that for certain kinds of reports, the 
single citation tied to the sister may not be included in the report and there 
will be nothing cited for a the many descendants.  

 

How would those of you familiar with citation practices handle this situation?

 

Thanks for any assistance you can provide.

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[LegacyUG] Citing a Source

2017-07-26 Thread Dennis Birke 
I've been using Legacy for several years, but I'm only beginning to cite
sources.  So, I'm still trying to figure out the best way to handle
citations.  Here is the situation I'm currently grappling with:

 

Until recently, my family database did not include information about the
descendants of one of my great-grandfather's sisters.  I recently connected
with the daughter of the sister and she has provided me with fairly complete
information about all of the sister's descendants - about 40 people when you
include spouses.  (You can imagine my delight in getting this treasure trove
of information in one fell swoop!)

 

Since this information was fairly hard to come by, I'd like to cite the
source (i.e., personal correspondence from the daughter).  But, it feels
like "overkill" to generate a citation to this source for each of four or
five fields of data for each of about 40 people.  That's a lot of repetitive
work (even when using the clipboard) and that will generate a lot of
duplicate footnotes in a descendants report (which is the type of report I
most frequently generate).  So, I have been considering preparing one
citation (probably connected with the sister) saying something like:
"Unless otherwise noted, all cited information regarding [Sister X} and her
descendants was obtained from [Name of daughter] by letter dated ."  

 

The problem I see with this approach is that for certain kinds of reports,
the single citation tied to the sister may not be included in the report and
there will be nothing cited for a the many descendants.  

 

How would those of you familiar with citation practices handle this
situation?

 

Thanks for any assistance you can provide.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Share vs event

2017-07-25 Thread Dennis Birke 
I use the shared event function primarily when recording census listings.  I 
track census listings primarily to identify who was then in the household.  The 
shared event function allows you to mark all household members at one time, 
rather than creating an individual event for each household member. 

 

I’m curious to see how other people use that functionality.

 

From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Marli Yoder
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 3:44 PM
To: Legacy Users Group 
Subject: [LegacyUG] Share vs event

 

What are the pros and cons of using the share function for events vs using a 
separate event of each thing for each person.

 

I remember that there were thoughts about each method.

 

Marli Yoder

A & M Farms 2172 LLC

Eureka & Sturgeon Missouri

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Re: [LegacyUG] Help With Citing Sources

2017-07-13 Thread Dennis Birke 
Thanks for the suggestions.  I have watched Geoff's webinar on citing sources 
and it’s very helpful -- as far as it goes.  I think what I'm looking for is a 
manual that gives examples for the commonly cited sources.

For example, when citing Federal census records, what is the Master source and 
what is the detail?  Is the Master source the record at the state level? Or 
county level?  Or city/town/ township level? 

I'd like to have a reference book or manual that tells me what the standard 
practice is -- so that I don't have to spend hours trying to think it through 
or proceeding on a trial and error basis and then having to re-do a dozen 
entries after discovering I guessed wrong.  

Another example:  Cites like FamilySearch are very helpful in offering full 
citations for some kinds of information.  But, I've been having a very 
difficult time figuring out how to fit those citations into Source Writer (and, 
again, figuring out the appropriate level for separating a "master source" from 
"details".  

I'm thinking I can't be the only person to have struggled with these issues and 
someone has probably written something that answers all or most of my 
questions.  I'm trying to identify that book or manual or website, etc.

Don't get me wrong -- I really do appreciate how powerful a tool Source Writer 
might be.  But it assumes a level of knowledge that a novice like myself just 
doesn't have.

-Original Message-
From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Cathy Pinner
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2017 9:11 PM
To: Legacy User Group <legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com>
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Help With Citing Sources

Michele has given you the link to a very popular webinar.

You don't have to be a professional to need to cite your sources in a way that 
someone else can understand - that someone could be you in a few years time.

There's nothing wrong with using Basic Sources.

The most important thing to get your head around is Master Sources and Source 
Detail. Together they provide everything you or someone else needs to know to 
find the source (or to know why they can't find it because it's from a 
document/Family Bible/etc that you own or saw when you visited Uncle John.) A 
book is easy.
The book is the Master source and the page is the Source Detail.
But what about something you find on FamilySearch?
The easiest way to source FamilySearch data is to create a Basic Source with 
the Master Source just saying FamilySearch in the Source List Name (which is 
your finding aid for refinding a Master Source) and FamilySearch in the Title.
Then you can copy and paste the FamilySearch source to the Source Detail
- sometimes it will fit in the Source Detail box but often it's too long, so 
put it in the Source Detail Comment and checkmark that to be included. The 
transcription is copy and pasted into the Source Detail text and not normally 
included in the citation.
The same can be done with the source that Ancestry provides.

With the SourceWriter simply remember that you don't have to put something in 
every available box. These are general templates that don't always apply.

For online databases and online databases with original images, you can use the 
SourceWriter internet templates for these.
The name of the particular database goes in the Master Source. In the source 
detail something like "entry for Joe Bloggs" and in the credit line - where 
Ancestry etc got the information.
This can be more useful than putting all Ancestry sources into one Master 
Source. It's an advanced step but you can more easily find which people you've 
looked for and found in a particular database if you have a Master Source for 
each database.

It's much harder adding sources later but no reason not to start. Use tags to 
indicate that you have sourced everything you've entered for that person. The 
source icon lights up with just one source so isn't useful for letting you know 
that you still have work to do.

Have fun - I'm still cleaning up sources that I entered when I first started 
that fortunately still make some sense to me but wouldn't to anybody else.

Cathy
> Michele/Support <mailto:mich...@legacyfamilytree.com>
> Thursday, 13 July 2017 5:19 AM
>
> Have you watched Geoff’s free webinar, Sources and Citations Made 
> Simple, Standard, and Powerful?  It definitely takes the mystery out 
> of it.
>
> https://familytreewebinars.com/download.php?webinar_id=201
>
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>
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[LegacyUG] Help With Citing Sources

2017-07-12 Thread Dennis Birke 
I've been using Legacy for a number of years, but never bothered to record
sources.  I'd like to start citing sources, but I'm finding using Source
Writer very cumbersome and time-consuming to use.  I'm not a professional,
and don't need professional-quality citations.  I'd just like to record
sources of information in a consistent and systematic way so that future
generations of my family have some idea where I found the recorded
information.  Is there a webinar, tutorial, manual, etc. that can provide me
with some basic instructions on citing sources and/or using Source Writer?
I think I need something akin to "Source Writer for Dummies".  I'd
appreciate any suggestions you have.

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