Re: [LegacyUG] Couple married twice

2016-10-15 Thread John Francis 

Thanks for your suggestions, Mike and Jack.

Yes, lack of permission from the Commanding Officer at the time of the 
first marriage is by far the most likely explanation, but there are 
other possibilities; for example, it is just possible that James was 
married to someone else, so the first marriage was bigamous, but that 
his first wife died between 1868 and 1870, thus enabling a valid 
marriage between James and Ellen in early 1871. I am looking into this.


Thanks again.

John Francis


On 15/10/2016 00:00, Jack Earnshaw wrote:

This is thought to be the reason I have a similar situation. I have a
couple, he was in the army, who got married twice in Chatham Kent in 1868.
The archivist said there had been several such "double marriages" amongst
members of the army. If they married without permission of the Commanding
Officer, then the army didn't recognise the marriage and so the wife
wouldn't be able to claim a widow's pension. His army records give his date
of marriage as the later date.

I entered both marriages as though they were true second marriages, just
that the two people were the same. Ie looking at the list of marriages there
are two with the same RINs for the couple. After he died, his widow married
again and so the list of marriages for her has husband 1 twice and then her
2nd husband.
As they didn't have any children it doesn't affect the descendant lists etc

Jack

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On 14 Oct 2016 15:57, John Francis wrote:


James Spencer (a corporal in the Grenadier Guards) married Ellen Kemp
on 24 Dec
1868 in St. Margaret's Church, Westminster. The couple then married
again on 27 Feb 1871 in the Royal Chapel in the Tower of London. I am
now looking into possible reasons for them going through two marriage
ceremonies, but my immediate problem is: how do I record the two marriages

in Legacy?

I would be grateful for any suggestions.

I believe at that time, the soldier would have needed the permission of his
commanding officer in order to get married. Perhaps, in the eyes of the
Army, permission wasn't forthcoming until later, hence the second marriage.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Couple married twice

2016-10-14 Thread Jack Earnshaw 
This is thought to be the reason I have a similar situation. I have a
couple, he was in the army, who got married twice in Chatham Kent in 1868.
The archivist said there had been several such "double marriages" amongst
members of the army. If they married without permission of the Commanding
Officer, then the army didn't recognise the marriage and so the wife
wouldn't be able to claim a widow's pension. His army records give his date
of marriage as the later date.

I entered both marriages as though they were true second marriages, just
that the two people were the same. Ie looking at the list of marriages there
are two with the same RINs for the couple. After he died, his widow married
again and so the list of marriages for her has husband 1 twice and then her
2nd husband.
As they didn't have any children it doesn't affect the descendant lists etc

Jack

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Sent: 14 October 2016 22:33
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Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Couple married twice

On 14 Oct 2016 15:57, John Francis wrote:

> James Spencer (a corporal in the Grenadier Guards) married Ellen Kemp 
> on 24 Dec
> 1868 in St. Margaret's Church, Westminster. The couple then married 
> again on 27 Feb 1871 in the Royal Chapel in the Tower of London. I am 
> now looking into possible reasons for them going through two marriage 
> ceremonies, but my immediate problem is: how do I record the two marriages
in Legacy?
>
> I would be grateful for any suggestions.

I believe at that time, the soldier would have needed the permission of his
commanding officer in order to get married. Perhaps, in the eyes of the
Army, permission wasn't forthcoming until later, hence the second marriage.

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Mike Fry (Jhb)

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Re: [LegacyUG] Couple married twice

2016-10-14 Thread MikeFry 

On 14 Oct 2016 15:57, John Francis wrote:


James Spencer (a corporal in the Grenadier Guards) married Ellen Kemp on 24 Dec
1868 in St. Margaret's Church, Westminster. The couple then married again on 27
Feb 1871 in the Royal Chapel in the Tower of London. I am now looking into
possible reasons for them going through two marriage ceremonies, but my
immediate problem is: how do I record the two marriages in Legacy?

I would be grateful for any suggestions.


I believe at that time, the soldier would have needed the permission of his 
commanding officer in order to get married. Perhaps, in the eyes of the Army, 
permission wasn't forthcoming until later, hence the second marriage.


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Re: [LegacyUG] Couple married twice

2016-10-14 Thread John Francis 
Many thanks for all the useful suggestions. I have entered the first 
marriage into the marriage details field, and have created an "event" 
for the second marriage. That will have to do for now.


John Francis

On 14/10/2016 14:57, John Francis wrote:
James Spencer (a corporal in the Grenadier Guards) married Ellen Kemp 
on 24 Dec 1868 in St. Margaret's Church, Westminster. The couple then 
married again on 27 Feb 1871 in the Royal Chapel in the Tower of 
London. I am now looking into possible reasons for them going through 
two marriage ceremonies, but my immediate problem is: how do I record 
the two marriages in Legacy?


I would be grateful for any suggestions.

John Francis

Suffolk, UK




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Re: [LegacyUG] Couple married twice

2016-10-14 Thread Debby Flood 
You can create a second "event" for the second marriage and have both on
your chronology line.  Maybe the reason why will come later.

Debby Flood
Anchorage, Alaska

On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 5:57 AM, John Francis 
wrote:

> James Spencer (a corporal in the Grenadier Guards) married Ellen Kemp on
> 24 Dec 1868 in St. Margaret's Church, Westminster. The couple then married
> again on 27 Feb 1871 in the Royal Chapel in the Tower of London. I am now
> looking into possible reasons for them going through two marriage
> ceremonies, but my immediate problem is: how do I record the two marriages
> in Legacy?
>
> I would be grateful for any suggestions.
>
> John Francis
>
> Suffolk, UK
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Couple married twice

2016-10-14 Thread Hot.Rod.Wife 


We knew a couple who divorced and then remarried. Also, some people have a 
quick private wedding then a larger wedding including friends later 
If the first case, just show a date for the ending of the first marriage,  if 
you know it,  them add the second marriage as alt other second marriage. 
If the second case,  use the official date in the record and add a note in the 
Marriage notes about the second marriage. 
However with the gap in time and it being in the records twice,  I would say 
most likely they had divorced or had the marriage annulled and later married 
again. 

 Sherry


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Date: 10/14/16  6:57 AM  (GMT-08:00) 
To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com 
Subject: [LegacyUG] Couple married twice 

James Spencer (a corporal in the Grenadier Guards) married Ellen Kemp on 
24 Dec 1868 in St. Margaret's Church, Westminster. The couple then 
married again on 27 Feb 1871 in the Royal Chapel in the Tower of London. 
I am now looking into possible reasons for them going through two 
marriage ceremonies, but my immediate problem is: how do I record the 
two marriages in Legacy?

I would be grateful for any suggestions.

John Francis

Suffolk, UK

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Re: [LegacyUG] Couple married twice

2016-10-14 Thread Dale McIntyre 
I have a niece who married, divorced, and married another man. They
divorced, and she remarried her first husband. I have had no problems
tracking these marriages.

Dale McIntyre


On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 8:51 AM, Susan Osborne <
randomreflecti...@ameritech.net> wrote:

> I have this situation also.
>
> It appears that both of these churches were both affiliated to the  Church
> of England.  Sometimes there was a second marriage because in a church of
> another faith when one faith was not the established church in England at
> the time and the marriage would not have been recognized.  But, this does
> not appear to be the case here.
>
> I, personally, would use the information from the earliest marriage in the
>  record and enter the second marriage in the notes.
>
> Maybe the couple had a falling out and felt they needed a renewal of their
> vows?
>
>
>
>
> On Friday, October 14, 2016 8:58 AM, John Francis 
> wrote:
>
>
> James Spencer (a corporal in the Grenadier Guards) married Ellen Kemp on
> 24 Dec 1868 in St. Margaret's Church, Westminster. The couple then
> married again on 27 Feb 1871 in the Royal Chapel in the Tower of London.
> I am now looking into possible reasons for them going through two
> marriage ceremonies, but my immediate problem is: how do I record the
> two marriages in Legacy?
>
> I would be grateful for any suggestions.
>
> John Francis
>
> Suffolk, UK
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Couple married twice

2016-10-14 Thread Barbara Thomas 
This may help. 
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1340418

⁣Barbara Thomas
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On 14 Oct 2016 3:51 pm, at 3:51 pm, Susan Osborne 
 wrote:
>I have this situation also.  
>It appears that both of these churches were both affiliated to the
> Church of England.  Sometimes there was a second marriage because in a
>church of another faith when one faith was not the established church
>in England at the time and the marriage would not have been recognized.
> But, this does not appear to be the case here.
>I, personally, would use the information from the earliest marriage in
>the  record and enter the second marriage in the notes.
>Maybe the couple had a falling out and felt they needed a renewal of
>their vows?
>
> 
>
>On Friday, October 14, 2016 8:58 AM, John Francis
> wrote:
> 
>
>James Spencer (a corporal in the Grenadier Guards) married Ellen Kemp
>on 
>24 Dec 1868 in St. Margaret's Church, Westminster. The couple then 
>married again on 27 Feb 1871 in the Royal Chapel in the Tower of
>London. 
>I am now looking into possible reasons for them going through two 
>marriage ceremonies, but my immediate problem is: how do I record the 
>two marriages in Legacy?
>
>I would be grateful for any suggestions.
>
>John Francis
>
>Suffolk, UK
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Couple married twice

2016-10-14 Thread Susan Osborne 
I have this situation also.  
It appears that both of these churches were both affiliated to the  Church of 
England.  Sometimes there was a second marriage because in a church of another 
faith when one faith was not the established church in England at the time and 
the marriage would not have been recognized.  But, this does not appear to be 
the case here.
I, personally, would use the information from the earliest marriage in the  
record and enter the second marriage in the notes.
Maybe the couple had a falling out and felt they needed a renewal of their vows?

 

On Friday, October 14, 2016 8:58 AM, John Francis  
wrote:
 

 James Spencer (a corporal in the Grenadier Guards) married Ellen Kemp on 
24 Dec 1868 in St. Margaret's Church, Westminster. The couple then 
married again on 27 Feb 1871 in the Royal Chapel in the Tower of London. 
I am now looking into possible reasons for them going through two 
marriage ceremonies, but my immediate problem is: how do I record the 
two marriages in Legacy?

I would be grateful for any suggestions.

John Francis

Suffolk, UK

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[LegacyUG] Couple married twice

2016-10-14 Thread John Francis 
James Spencer (a corporal in the Grenadier Guards) married Ellen Kemp on 
24 Dec 1868 in St. Margaret's Church, Westminster. The couple then 
married again on 27 Feb 1871 in the Royal Chapel in the Tower of London. 
I am now looking into possible reasons for them going through two 
marriage ceremonies, but my immediate problem is: how do I record the 
two marriages in Legacy?


I would be grateful for any suggestions.

John Francis

Suffolk, UK

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