[OSM-legal-talk] Major update to the Open Database License wiki page

2009-02-28 Thread Peter Miller
I have reworked the main Open Database Licence page (and renamed it) so that it provides an useful introduction to the whole license background and the current position to a first time reader. I have bumped the detailed content from the existing page to a new page. Check out the page here

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] A Creative Commons iCommons license

2009-02-28 Thread 80n
On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 10:26 AM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.netwrote: CC-BY-SA says: You may distribute, publicly display, publicly perform, or publicly digitally perform a Derivative Work only under the terms of this License, a later version of this License with the same License

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] A Creative Commons iCommons license

2009-02-28 Thread Richard Fairhurst
80n wrote: It's my understanding that the ODbL is very different from a CC-BY-SA license, so I think this would be a very unlikely thing to happen. It's a share-alike licence with some attribution provision - I'd say that, in fact, the two licences have pretty much the same intent. It's just

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] A Creative Commons iCommons license

2009-02-28 Thread 80n
On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 10:50 AM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.netwrote: 80n wrote: It's my understanding that the ODbL is very different from a CC-BY-SA license, so I think this would be a very unlikely thing to happen. It's a share-alike licence with some attribution provision -

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] A Creative Commons iCommons license

2009-02-28 Thread Richard Fairhurst
80n wrote: It does have a share alike clause but it is different from the CC one. As it gives the user fewer rights it's hard to see how it would be compatible. In the analogue case, GFDL's share-alike is different from CC-BY-SA's, yet the relicensing happened. The point is that compatible

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] A Creative Commons iCommons license

2009-02-28 Thread 80n
On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 11:34 AM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.netwrote: 80n wrote: It does have a share alike clause but it is different from the CC one. As it gives the user fewer rights it's hard to see how it would be compatible. In the analogue case, GFDL's share-alike is

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Updates to ODbL related Wiki pages and outstanding issues

2009-02-28 Thread Mike Collinson
Legal review of Use Case doco with original Use Case text is now available at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_License/Use_Cases or go straight to http://foundation.openstreetmap.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/2008-02-28_legalreviewofosmlicenseusecases2.pdf

[OSM-legal-talk] compatibility with CC licenses

2009-02-28 Thread John Wilbanks
merging several threads here I am not speaking for CC the organization here - there have been no conversations to my knowledge about doing a compatibility check between ODbL and CC licensing. But, I would remind everyone that the current official CC policy on CC licenses and databases -

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] A Creative Commons iCommons license

2009-02-28 Thread Frederik Ramm
80n, Indeed it is exactly this case I had in mind, where the license gives the contributor fewer rights. It creates a class of derivative works, called Produced Works, that are not share alike. In my opinion, OSM's value is almost entirely in its being a database. If OSM were not a

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] A Creative Commons iCommons license

2009-02-28 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi Richard Fairhurst wrote: FWIW, I do think that the ODbL Produced Work provisions _may_ need rewording. There seems to be a myth around here that a Produced Work can be public domain. Clearly it can't - not in the traditional sense of PD - because of 4.7 (the Reverse Engineering provision

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] A Creative Commons iCommons license

2009-02-28 Thread Rob Myers
Very roughly (I'm generalising here), in both cases, Derivatives refer = to a situation where the entire result is copyleft, Collectives refer to something where only part of it is.=20 A collective work includes the untransformed work. A derivative work adapts it in some way. One can claim

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] A Creative Commons iCommons license

2009-02-28 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Gustav Foseid wrote: The database directive does not stop you from making a geographic database, rendering it as a map and then releasing it under something like CC0. I am a bit unsure what kind of restriction the database directive could possibly have placed on that map. Not on the map

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] compatibility with CC licenses

2009-02-28 Thread Simon Ward
On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 12:42:57PM -0500, John Wilbanks wrote: I am not speaking for CC the organization here - there have been no conversations to my knowledge about doing a compatibility check between ODbL and CC licensing. But, I would remind everyone that the current official CC policy

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Lawyer responses to use cases, major problems

2009-02-28 Thread Simon Ward
On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 10:58:04PM +0100, Frederik Ramm wrote: Having to grant access to pgsql data base --- In this use case we look at someone who does nothing more than taking OSM data and rearranging it according to fixed rules, e.g. by running it

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Lawyer responses to use cases, major problems

2009-02-28 Thread Jukka Rahkonen
Simon Ward si...@... writes: The lawyer's answer is: Need clarification here. From my reading, this example would seem to constitute a Derivative Database under the ODbL. It’s a database, derived from the original. To me it’s a derived database. It does need clarifying to say just