Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Reverse-Engineering Maps and Share-Alike Licences

2009-03-08 Thread Dave Stubbs
2009/3/8 Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com: On 7 Mar 2009, at 23:56, OJ W ojwli...@googlemail.com wrote: On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 9:10 PM, Gervase Markham gerv- gm...@gerv.net wrote: b) If people are reverse-engineering our stuff,  they need a massive, sustained, continuous Mechanical Turk

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Reverse-Engineering Maps and Share-Alike Licences

2009-03-08 Thread Richard Weait
On Sun, 2009-03-08 at 13:00 +0100, Frederik Ramm wrote: If someone really wants to jump through these hoops to get it done, let him do it. I think this will be a niche application and, if at all, only used very seldom. And if we later find that someone is really being a thorn in our side

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Reverse-Engineering Maps and Share-Alike Licences

2009-03-08 Thread Nic Roets
On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 7:37 PM, Ulf Möller use...@ulfm.de wrote: The problem with this though is that if you make an exemption for CC-BY-SA then you can drive the whole planet file through that loophole. If you want to close the loophole, you will need to get everyone to accept the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Reverse-Engineering Maps and Share-Alike Licences

2009-03-08 Thread 80n
On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 6:02 PM, Nic Roets nro...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 7:37 PM, Ulf Möller use...@ulfm.de wrote: The problem with this though is that if you make an exemption for CC-BY-SA then you can drive the whole planet file through that loophole. If you want to

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Reverse-Engineering Maps and Share-Alike Licences

2009-03-08 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Gervase Markham wrote: I would be reluctant to name them. Assuming the data remains bound by some form of share-alike, in 50 years time, OSM or OSM derivatives is going to be the only database anyone ever uses for storing and retrieving public global mapping data. At that point, we

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Difference between a Produced Work and a Derived Database

2009-03-08 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Jean-Christophe Haessig wrote: I posted a comment on co-ment and on the wiki use cases page, where it didn’t seem to belong. I was advised to post it here Maybe those who advised you hoped that you would read the ongoing discussion before posting ;-) Your suggestion is similar to what I

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Difference between a Produced Work and a Derived Database

2009-03-08 Thread 80n
On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 9:17 PM, Jean-Christophe Haessig jean-christophe.haes...@dianosis.org wrote: In fact, we might not have to define what a Produced Work is. Instead, we could let the producer of the derived work fully decide: My current interpretation of the ODbL is that this is

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Difference between a Produced Work and a Derived Database

2009-03-08 Thread Jean-Christophe Haessig
Le dimanche 08 mars 2009 à 22:49 +0100, Frederik Ramm a écrit : Hi, Maybe those who advised you hoped that you would read the ongoing discussion before posting ;-) Well, I read it, but I felt that the idea was rather dimly suggested… Current ODbL mandates[*]that the derivative database on

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Difference between a Produced Work and a Derived Database

2009-03-08 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Jean-Christophe Haessig wrote: If section 4.7 is where it is required to transfer the reverse engineereng clause into the PW’s license, why doesn’t it say so? If I tell you I give you this book but it must not be scanned and put on the internet, then while I don't explicitly say and if