[OSM-legal-talk] PD declaration non binding?

2010-07-23 Thread TimSC
Hi again, legal question this time, This is mainly aimed at the LWG but others might have a view. I was wondering, why isn't the PD declaration binding, according to the wiki page? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Why_would_I_want_my_contributions_to_be_public_domain If you declare your

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Cut-over and critical mass

2010-07-23 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/7/20 andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com: If you find a planet on a bus there's no contract you may be affected by.  There may be copyright, which may protect the content.  If there's nothing written on it then you basically have to assume All rights reserved, provided there's any

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] PD declaration non binding?

2010-07-23 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Andy Allan wrote: Never mind what Richard says Always good advice. ;) 1) You can't actually put anything into the public domain in most jurisdictions. [...] 2) There's clearly not enough legalese there for it to be effective :-) The BSD licence is pretty short and to the best of my

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] PD declaration non binding?

2010-07-23 Thread Frederik Ramm
Tim, TimSC wrote: I don't get that impression when I read the wiki. It says it is only a statement and making this statement does not change what people can do with your data. Looking at the wiki, those lines were written by Frederik Ramm. I guess I'll ask him what he intended. I would very

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] PD declaration non binding?

2010-07-23 Thread Andy Allan
On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Fun, isn't it? No, the fun is when you tick that box, then potlatch reads that from the API and disables the mapnik, opencyclemap and OS Opendata backgrounds :-) Cheers, Andy

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] PD declaration non binding?

2010-07-23 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Andy Allan wrote: 3) I can consider my edits public domain to my heart's content, but if they are based on other people's non-PD edits, then they aren't going to be fully PD. I think in the wake of the license change we will have to develop a number of very interesting metrics telling us

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] PD declaration non binding?

2010-07-23 Thread TimSC
On 23/07/10 12:39, Richard Fairhurst wrote: If you could magically get at the PD data without accessing it from the OSM database (i.e. you asked the user for a local copy that they had saved on their computer before uploading it to OSM), then the PD declaration on its own would be sufficient.

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Cut-over and critical mass

2010-07-23 Thread Anthony
On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 7:37 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/7/20 andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com: If you find a planet on a bus there's no contract you may be affected by. There may be copyright, which may protect the content. If there's nothing written

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Cut-over and critical mass

2010-07-23 Thread Anthony
On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 4:36 AM, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote: James Livingston li...@... writes: The relevant question is then Is hosting a copy of ODbL licensed material (e.g. a planet dump) on your website without requiring people to agree to a contract a violation of the ODbL?. I

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Cut-over and critical mass

2010-07-23 Thread Anthony
On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 9:48 AM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: If you find planet on a bus you are not finding just a pile of ordered ones and zeros. It's on media of some type. You might sell the disk as is, but copying the data and selling it would be legally risky. A Reasonable

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Cut-over and critical mass

2010-07-23 Thread Rob Myers
On 07/23/2010 02:02 PM, Anthony wrote: I'm not sure anyone credible has claimed that [ODbL] is a free license. The purpose of a free license is to grant permissions, not to impose restrictions. The purpose of a free licence is to protect people's freedom. PD dedications and BSD licences

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Cut-over and critical mass

2010-07-23 Thread Rob Myers
On 07/23/2010 04:56 PM, Anthony wrote: Though, I'd say license is somewhat of a disingenuous term for something which is actually an EULA. Well, CC get to call CC0 not a licence. ;-) I agree that the ODbL isn't just a licence, but I don't think it's any more accurate to call it a EULA.

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] openstreetmap.org copyright

2010-07-23 Thread Iván Sánchez Ortega
El día Friday 23 July 2010 15:02:19, Alex Protyagov dijo: Would you please educate me on what legally should be done in order to develop a commercial application that uses cached maps from openstreetmap.org ? You just have to comply with the CC-by-sa (and ODbL if you store the data in

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] openstreetmap.org copyright

2010-07-23 Thread 80n
2010/7/23 Iván Sánchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.es El día Friday 23 July 2010 15:02:19, Alex Protyagov dijo: Would you please educate me on what legally should be done in order to develop a commercial application that uses cached maps from openstreetmap.org ? You just have to comply

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] openstreetmap.org copyright

2010-07-23 Thread Stephan Knauss
80n wrote: El día Friday 23 July 2010 15:02:19, Alex Protyagov dijo: Would you please educate me on what legally should be done in order to develop a commercial application that uses cached maps from openstreetmap.org http://openstreetmap.org ? You just have to

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Cut-over and critical mass

2010-07-23 Thread Liz
On Sun, 11 Jul 2010, Kai Krueger wrote: snip Enough of preamble, so here again I would like to ask the question again: What is the criterion of when critical mass is reached and thus data is lost (even if it isn't lost as data, it is lost to the project and the (editing) community)? Who

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Cut-over and critical mass

2010-07-23 Thread Richard Weait
On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 4:32 PM, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: On Sun, 11 Jul 2010, Kai Krueger wrote: So far the the impressions I got from the members of the licensing group vary from anywhere between e.g. 10% data loss is acceptable to as high as 90% data loss is acceptable (as long as a

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Cut-over and critical mass

2010-07-23 Thread andrzej zaborowski
On 24 July 2010 00:02, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 4:32 PM, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: On Sun, 11 Jul 2010, Kai Krueger wrote: So far the the impressions I got from the members of the licensing group vary from anywhere between e.g. 10% data loss is

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Cut-over and critical mass

2010-07-23 Thread Anthony
On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 5:33 PM, andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.comwrote: On 23 July 2010 22:14, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: On Fri, 23 Jul 2010, Richard Weait wrote: If you find planet on a bus you are not finding just a pile of ordered ones and zeros. It's on media of some type. You

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Cut-over and critical mass

2010-07-23 Thread Liz
On Sat, 24 Jul 2010, Richard Weait wrote: On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 4:32 PM, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: On Sun, 11 Jul 2010, Kai Krueger wrote: So far the the impressions I got from the members of the licensing group vary from anywhere between e.g. 10% data loss is acceptable to as high