Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [talk-au] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap

2011-06-19 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
+1 anyway I just wanted to make clear that our current data is submitted under CC-BY-SA (at least our community members declares so) but there is absolutely no prove that the data submitted can be CC-BY-SA. I just want to say that copyright is not just something you can declare or deny in

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [talk-au] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap

2011-06-19 Thread John Smith
On 19 June 2011 19:55, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen g.grem...@cetest.nl wrote: I just wanted to make clear that our current data is submitted under CC-BY-SA (at least our community members declares so) but there is absolutely no prove that the data submitted can be CC-BY-SA.

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [talk-au] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap

2011-06-19 Thread Robert Whittaker (OSM)
On 18 June 2011 10:22, Francis Davey fjm...@gmail.com wrote: OK. So what I mean by some of the questions don't make sense is exactly this. I'm afraid you and lots of others who ask questions use a lot of short-hand (lawyers sometimes do this too). The problem is then I don't know what

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [talk-au] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap

2011-06-19 Thread John Smith
On 19 June 2011 20:16, Robert Whittaker (OSM) robert.whittaker+...@gmail.com wrote: Thinking of the example someone gave or the copyright in sound recordings being separate from the copyright in the music / lyrics, I'm guessing the answer is some sort of combination of 2 and 3; along the lines

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [talk-au] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap

2011-06-19 Thread Robert Whittaker (OSM)
On 18 June 2011 11:37, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 18 June 2011 20:35, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: Not sure of you point, since cc-by-sa can't be magically turned into ODBL data, it can only stay cc-by-sa. Oh and as for CTs, they don't guarantee attribution

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [talk-au] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap

2011-06-19 Thread Robert Whittaker (OSM)
On 19 June 2011 11:21, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 19 June 2011 20:16, Robert Whittaker (OSM) robert.whittaker+...@gmail.com wrote: Thinking of the example someone gave or the copyright in sound recordings being separate from the copyright in the music / lyrics, I'm

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [talk-au] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap

2011-06-19 Thread John Smith
On 19 June 2011 20:24, Robert Whittaker (OSM) robert.whittaker+...@gmail.com wrote: On 18 June 2011 11:37, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 18 June 2011 20:35, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: Not sure of you point, since cc-by-sa can't be magically turned into ODBL

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [talk-au] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap

2011-06-19 Thread John Smith
On 19 June 2011 20:31, Robert Whittaker (OSM) robert.whittaker+...@gmail.com wrote: While person C could indeed get access to the original data (which must be offered by B), in the hypothetical situation I envisaged, they choose not to do so. They obtain the produced work under PD/CC0 or CC-By

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [talk-au] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap

2011-06-19 Thread andrzej zaborowski
On 19 June 2011 12:31, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 19 June 2011 20:24, Robert Whittaker (OSM) robert.whittaker+...@gmail.com wrote: On 18 June 2011 11:37, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 18 June 2011 20:35, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: Not sure

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [talk-au] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap

2011-06-19 Thread John Smith
On 19 June 2011 23:20, andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com wrote: I think what Robert is trying to say is that you only have to check for compatibility with the current license. But the current license is CC-By-SA, so CC-By-SA data would be okay. Since things seem to be going head first

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [talk-au] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap

2011-06-19 Thread John Smith
I forgot to ask, do SVG files constitute a produced work? The kind OSM.org currently outputs as SVG maps. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [talk-au] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap

2011-06-19 Thread John Smith
On 20 June 2011 00:53, Rob Myers r...@robmyers.org wrote: On 19 June 2011 12:31, John Smithdeltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: yet ODBL allows people to output PD tiles, which don't offer attribution. The ODbL requires attribution of the database. The database can contain other attribution.

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [talk-au] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap

2011-06-19 Thread John Smith
On 20 June 2011 00:55, Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com wrote: If however on the other hand if someone created an SVG file specially for the purpose of extracted OSM data and tags, it would be extremely difficult for them to argue that is a produced work and not a database. That's

[OSM-legal-talk] section 4.6 of ODbL was [talk-au] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap

2011-06-19 Thread David Groom
- Original Message - From: John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com To: Licensing and other legal discussions. legal-talk@openstreetmap.org Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2011 11:33 AM Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [talk-au] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] section 4.6 of ODbL was [talk-au] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap

2011-06-19 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, David Groom wrote: From reading section 4.6 of ODbL[1] my understanding is no. There is no mention of it only applying if you change the data, the requirement seems to hold whenever You Publicly Use a Derivative Database or a Produced Work from a Derivative Database, However, the more

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] section 4.6 of ODbL was [talk-au] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap

2011-06-19 Thread David Groom
- Original Message - From: Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org To: Licensing and other legal discussions. legal-talk@openstreetmap.org Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2011 10:57 PM Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] section 4.6 of ODbL was [talk-au] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission