[OSM-legal-talk] License update

2008-11-24 Thread SteveC
All Our lawyer has had a chat with Jordan (the original author of the ODbL). I spoke with Jordan this morning and he has a list of suggested changes with explanations from our lawyer which he is reviewing. I expect and hope this stage to be a simple review process before taking the next ste

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License update

2008-10-25 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Shaun McDonald wrote: > Because there isn't enough time to read and answer all the mails that > come to this list. It is better to bundle everything up, filtering all > the duplicates and getting him to answer them all at once. Granted. Whoever does the "bundling and filtering", please pu

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License update

2008-10-25 Thread Shaun McDonald
On 25 Oct 2008, at 07:57, Jochen Topf wrote: > On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 08:23:19AM -0700, SteveC wrote: >> On 23 Oct 2008, at 07:17, 80n wrote: >> >>> [..] >> Please don't mail him personally, the worst thing would be multiple >> conversations as his time is valuable and they are doing this pro- >

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License update

2008-10-25 Thread Jochen Topf
On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 08:23:19AM -0700, SteveC wrote: > On 23 Oct 2008, at 07:17, 80n wrote: > > > On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 8:06 AM, Jochen Topf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 09:24:37PM -0700, SteveC wrote: > > > I've received back general comments from Wilson Sonsi

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License update

2008-10-23 Thread Jochen Topf
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 09:24:37PM -0700, SteveC wrote: > I've received back general comments from Wilson Sonsini > (http://www.wsgr.com/WSGR/Index.aspx > ) on the latest draft. > > My next task is to review those comments and feed them back to this > list, review the use cases on the wiki and

[OSM-legal-talk] License update

2008-10-22 Thread SteveC
All I've received back general comments from Wilson Sonsini (http://www.wsgr.com/WSGR/Index.aspx ) on the latest draft. My next task is to review those comments and feed them back to this list, review the use cases on the wiki and feed those to Wilson Sonsini and probably take a call or mee

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License update

2008-03-19 Thread MJ Ray
"Peter Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > From: MJ Ray [...] > > Not *the* licence project. *That* licence project, making use cases > > and testing things against them. I don't see how that connects to the > > OSMF licence development work except at one point => it is a tangent. > > I don't f

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License update

2008-03-19 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Peter Miller wrote: > I am keen that we don't inadvertently allow data to be 'bled' from the > project is ways that isn't useful to the project (hence the 'Bad Map Co' Use > Cases). So are we, and (though more on this will follow) we are expecting that a new clause will be added to the Open Dat

[OSM-legal-talk] License update

2008-03-19 Thread Peter Miller
> Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:34:19 + > From: MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License update > To: legal-talk@openstreetmap.org > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-a

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License update

2008-03-19 Thread MJ Ray
Frederik Ramm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [ I wrote, apparently unattributed: ] > > Sorry if I'm coming into this cold from the outside, but I really > > don't see why any readers would help this apparently-tangential > > licence project. > > What appears to be tangential about the license project,

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License update

2008-03-19 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Peter, > I posted a query about various 'Use Cases' for OSM data in regard to the new > licence on the 7th Feb. See archive here: > > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/legal-talk/2008-February/000680.htm > l > > I was concerned to see that the answers received were not conclusive and > that

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License update

2008-03-19 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder)
Frederik Ramm wrote: >Sent: 19 March 2008 3:00 PM >To: Licensing and other legal discussions. >Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License update > >Hi, > >> Bully for you. What's in it for other participants? More abuse that >> they can't give conclusive

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License update

2008-03-19 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, > Bully for you. What's in it for other participants? More abuse that > they can't give conclusive answers and aren't not qualified lawyers? Well perhaps you're coming "cold from the outside" as you say, you have missed one thing: The Foundation has been pushing this new license specifi

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License update

2008-03-19 Thread MJ Ray
"Peter Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/legal-talk/2008-February/000680.html > > I was concerned to see that the answers received were not conclusive and > that no response has been given by a qualified lawyer. With regard to the > brief for this l

[OSM-legal-talk] License update

2008-03-19 Thread Peter Miller
I posted a query about various 'Use Cases' for OSM data in regard to the new licence on the 7th Feb. See archive here: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/legal-talk/2008-February/000680.htm l I was concerned to see that the answers received were not conclusive and that no response has be

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License update

2008-03-18 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Charles Basenga Kiyanda wrote: > I'm also wondering. How can one legally agree to release a > contribution under a license which is unfinished? Or am I > misunderstanding the situation and the ODL is in fact done? Technically speaking the user would be licensing their contributions under th

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License update

2008-03-18 Thread Charles Basenga Kiyanda
Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > >> This could take a little while, so we're thinking of changing the >> language of _new_ user signups to instead of releasing their work as >> CC, but as CC _or_ the ODL if the rest of the community vote on it. >> > > 1. It is, in my eyes, far from clear

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License update

2008-03-18 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, > This could take a little while, so we're thinking of changing the > language of _new_ user signups to instead of releasing their work as > CC, but as CC _or_ the ODL if the rest of the community vote on it. 1. It is, in my eyes, far from clear what exactly the community will vote on (wi

[OSM-legal-talk] License update

2008-03-18 Thread SteveC
Richard, Andy and I just had a conference call to review where we are with the license. Progress is going well. We've engaged Jordan and sent off the changes we suggested to him, he is integrating them and will be releasing a new version. Once released he will consult with other interested p