Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Public Domain versus CC Attribution Share Alike License

2008-09-05 Thread spaetz
On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 04:32:33PM +0200, Iv?n S?nchez Ortega wrote: > El Jueves, 4 de Septiembre de 2008, Joseph Gentle escribió: > > [...] There's a bunch of ways even > > pretty reasonable uses of OSM could leave you legally liable: > > - You don't acknowledge _everyone_ > > The CC-by-sa explic

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Public Domain versus CC Attribution Share Alike License

2008-09-04 Thread Joseph Gentle
On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 5:06 AM, Frederik Ramm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > Sunburned Surveyor wrote: > > I think it may > > underestimate the potential for corporate abuse. There are a lot of > > people out there willing to leech of a community like OSM without > > making any positive cont

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Public Domain versus CC Attribution Share Alike License

2008-09-04 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Sunburned Surveyor wrote: > I think it may > underestimate the potential for corporate abuse. There are a lot of > people out there willing to leech of a community like OSM without > making any positive contributions. It happens in the software world a > lot. Yes - but frankly, I don't care w

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Public Domain versus CC Attribution Share Alike License

2008-09-04 Thread Sunburned Surveyor
I seemed to have immersed myself in the depths of a healthy debate for which I was not prepared. I don't yet have a full understanding of all the issues, but I think some statements of Richard give a nice summary: "Yes, the new licence fixes 1 and 3. It also goes a long way to defining what is per

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Public Domain versus CC Attribution Share Alike License

2008-09-04 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: > El Jueves, 4 de Septiembre de 2008, Joseph Gentle escribió: >> [...] There's a bunch of ways even >> pretty reasonable uses of OSM could leave you legally liable: >> - You don't acknowledge _everyone_ > > The CC-by-sa explicitly says that you have to contribute the aut

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Public Domain versus CC Attribution Share Alike License

2008-09-04 Thread Iván Sánchez Ortega
El Jueves, 4 de Septiembre de 2008, Joseph Gentle escribió: > [...] There's a bunch of ways even > pretty reasonable uses of OSM could leave you legally liable: > - You don't acknowledge _everyone_ The CC-by-sa explicitly says that you have to contribute the authors in a reasonable way. There is

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Public Domain versus CC Attribution Share Alike License

2008-09-04 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Joseph Gentle wrote: > - It is never defined what constitutes a 'derived work' and a 'collaborative > work'. People who try to be honest will stay away from OSM because they > don't want to offend / don't want to be sued. People who want to be a jerk > about the whole thing will use the data anywa

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Public Domain versus CC Attribution Share Alike License

2008-09-04 Thread Joseph Gentle
On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 7:13 PM, Rob Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 9:32 AM, Frederik Ramm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The new license that is being discussed will probably address this > > problem by trying to constrain the viral aspect to the data or the > > database

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Public Domain versus CC Attribution Share Alike License

2008-09-04 Thread Rob Myers
On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 9:32 AM, Frederik Ramm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This situation will make it very difficult for you to find a publisher > for your original work. Not if they intend to compete on the quality of their product and getting it into the market in a timely and tartgeted manner

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Public Domain versus CC Attribution Share Alike License

2008-09-04 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, > It's not like the current Creative Commons license for OSM forbids > commercial use. This is true but some commercial uses might become un-viable because of the SA license. My standard example is this: Assume you spend half a year making a nice hiking atlas from OSM data, putting a lot

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Public Domain versus CC Attribution Share Alike License

2008-09-03 Thread Joseph Gentle
On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 5:29 AM, spaetz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Sep 03, 2008 at 11:51:36AM -0700, Sunburned Surveyor wrote: > > > What can't you do with OSM data under the Creative Commons license > > that you couldn't do with data in the Public Domain? To me it seems > > like the only

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Public Domain versus CC Attribution Share Alike License

2008-09-03 Thread Nathan Vander Wilt
On Sep 3, 2008, at 11:51 AM, Sunburned Surveyor wrote: > The "public domain versus Creative Commons" debate sounds similar to > the GPL versus LGPL debate that goes on in the open source software > development world. The licensing of geodata is an area of great > interest to me, and something I wou

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Public Domain versus CC Attribution Share Alike License

2008-09-03 Thread Iván Sánchez Ortega
El Miércoles, 3 de Septiembre de 2008, Sunburned Surveyor escribió: [...] > The "public domain versus Creative Commons" debate sounds similar to > the GPL versus LGPL debate that goes on in the open source software > development world. Not quite. It's more similar to the "GPL vs BSD" debate. The G