Re: [OSM-legal-talk] viral attribution and ODbL

2010-04-20 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, M?rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: do we really want to require the 38th party down the line to still attribute OSM no matter how diluted the OSM content has become? yes. Why should it have become diluted? The very nature of a produced work is to dilute OSM content because otherwise it would

[OSM-legal-talk] viral attribution and ODbL

2010-04-20 Thread TimSC
Frederik Ramm wrote: TimSC wrote: / What is the point in paragraph 4.3, if it can be easily side stepped? / We have a well working culture of attribution in science, where you usually quote the source you took something from, but not the source behind the source behind the source.

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] viral attribution and ODbL

2010-04-20 Thread Richard Fairhurst
TimSC wrote: I am beginning to conclude the ODbL is a bloated, confusing mistake. We would be better serviced in our project goals by a simpler license i.e. a public domain-like license. Public domain is unequivocally simpler. For many of us it is also the right thing to do - see the

[OSM-legal-talk] viral attribution and ODbL

2010-04-20 Thread TimSC
Richard Fairhurst wrote: But in five years, we have never been able to obtain clear agreement for this. I assume this is based on gatherings of OSM members, mailing list discussions, IRC, etc. But I have never been directly asked by OSMF what the future license should be. I suspect that the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] viral attribution and ODbL

2010-04-19 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 19:43, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: I am not bothered about individual contributions because everyone who contributes *knows* what OSM is like and that he cannot expect to get personal attribution. If someone however has

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] viral attribution and ODbL

2010-04-19 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/4/19 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org: do we really want to require the 38th party down the line to still attribute OSM no matter how diluted the OSM content has become? yes. Why should it have become diluted? If you give this up, you do almost the same then releasing PD, and that's