Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap

2011-06-17 Thread Francis Davey
2011/6/17 Ben Last ben.l...@nearmap.com: The goal of that statement was to allow any contributions that have been derived from our PhotoMaps under our current licence (which is what imposes the CC-BY-SA redistribution condition) can remain in the OSM db.  Not being a lawyer, I'm not going to

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [talk-au] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap

2011-06-17 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 1:23 PM, Ben Last ben.l...@nearmap.com wrote: The goal of that statement was to allow any contributions that have been derived from our PhotoMaps under our current licence (which is what imposes the CC-BY-SA redistribution condition) can remain in the OSM db.  Not being

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CTs are not full copyright assignment

2011-06-17 Thread Olaf Schmidt-Wischhöfer
Hi Dermot, That's not a bad start - but if I play spot-the-missing-bit, it looks to me that you aren't prepared to trust 2/3 of the community to decide that (for reasons not yet forseen) a licence other than the two you list and which may not be copyleft/sharealike. Please note that the CT

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [talk-au] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap

2011-06-17 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 06/17/11 11:18, John Smith wrote: Only if the amount of data traced is not substantial. CC-by-SA makes no such distinction, it's either cc-by-sa or it's not cc-by-sa, so which license can tiles be put under? Sorry, I thought you had asked about tracing from tiles. Tiles can be put

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [talk-au] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap

2011-06-17 Thread John Smith
On 18 June 2011 00:06, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, On 06/17/11 11:18, John Smith wrote: Only if the amount of data traced is not substantial. CC-by-SA makes no such distinction, it's either cc-by-sa or it's not cc-by-sa, so which license can tiles be put under? Sorry, I

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [talk-au] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap

2011-06-17 Thread John Smith
On 18 June 2011 00:54, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 10:44 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 18 June 2011 00:40, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: I am not trying to apply patents to OSM. I am trying to use the example of patents

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [talk-au] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap

2011-06-17 Thread Simon Poole
Because you want to sell/offer s service in the EU, enter one of the countries and numerous other reasons. As long as you don't make the derived database available or publish the contents in some form -in- the EU you are not in trouble, just if. Simon Am 17.06.2011 16:54, schrieb John

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [talk-au] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap

2011-06-17 Thread John Smith
On 18 June 2011 01:10, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote: Because you want to sell/offer s service in the EU, enter one of the countries and numerous other reasons. As long as you don't make the derived database available or publish the contents in some form -in- the EU you are not in trouble,

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [talk-au] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap

2011-06-17 Thread andrzej zaborowski
On 17 June 2011 16:48, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: On 06/17/11 16:39, andrzej zaborowski wrote: 1. IIRC the newer versions of CC-By-SA include statements to ensure that the content is not protected by database rights, patents or DRM, which would prevent their uses. News to me.

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CTs are not full copyright assignment

2011-06-17 Thread Dermot McNally
On Friday, 17 June 2011, Olaf Schmidt-Wischhöfer o...@amen-online.de wrote: Please note that the CT do not guarantee a 2/3 majority of the community. Only a part of the community is entitled to vote. I read your other mail on that topic. I don't personally have any objection to addressing

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [talk-au] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap

2011-06-17 Thread andrzej zaborowski
On 17 June 2011 17:17, andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com wrote: On 17 June 2011 16:48, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: On 06/17/11 16:39, andrzej zaborowski wrote: 1. IIRC the newer versions of CC-By-SA include statements to ensure that the content is not protected by database

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [talk-au] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap

2011-06-17 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 11:01 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 18 June 2011 00:54, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 10:44 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 18 June 2011 00:40, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: I am

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CTs are not full copyright assignment

2011-06-17 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/6/17 Dermot McNally derm...@gmail.com: On Friday, 17 June 2011, Olaf Schmidt-Wischhöfer o...@amen-online.de wrote: I read your other mail on that topic. I don't personally have any objection to addressing weaknesses in the definition of active contributor. If we take the voting issues

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CTs are not full copyright assignment

2011-06-17 Thread Robert Kaiser
Olaf Schmidt-Wischhöfer schrieb: The first problem is that the right to vote depends upon being allowed to contribute. It it defined anywhere what contribute means? I have heard statements before that sending messages, e.g. in here, also counts as a contribution, as does replying to a

[OSM-legal-talk] active contributor

2011-06-17 Thread Richard Weait
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Robert Kaiser ka...@kairo.at wrote: Olaf Schmidt-Wischhöfer schrieb: The first problem is that the right to vote depends upon being allowed to contribute. It it defined anywhere what contribute means? From the contributor terms v1.2.4 An active

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CTs are not full copyright assignment

2011-06-17 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
The CT/License Vote was IMHO not meant to be a serious democratic process. Instead a majority was searched for a OSMF decision: cynism on like non anonymous voting for a single party in some countries where your lose your job if voting against -fill in your favorite dictator- cynism off As long as

[OSM-legal-talk] application of ODBL to an extarct of OSM obtained via jxapi

2011-06-17 Thread David Groom
Word in quotes below relate to the meanings given them by ODbL Assume I use jxapi to download an extract of the main OSM database . Is the downloaded extract a Derivative Database, or since the download was provided by OSM does the downloaded data qualify as simply a Database? Regards

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] application of ODBL to an extarct of OSM obtained via jxapi

2011-06-17 Thread Richard Weait
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 4:09 PM, David Groom revi...@pacific-rim.net wrote: Word in quotes below relate to the meanings given them by ODbL Assume I use jxapi to download an extract of the main OSM database .  Is the downloaded extract a Derivative Database, or since the download was provided

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [talk-au] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap

2011-06-17 Thread John Smith
On 18 June 2011 05:25, davespod osmli...@dellams.fastmail.fm wrote: In a similar vein, I think OSMF and any other publisher of OSM-derived map tiles under CC-by-SA would be well advised to be explicit about what it is they are licensing under CC-by-SA. In other words, they should follow the